lol you nothing about how any of these will work or their impact on the game. Jump to conclusions much?
We've played this game long enough to understand the impact of one less BO seat in your ship. And from Cryptic's history, the new Specialized BO seats and powers will very likely be OP and powercreep-y, as with everything done for the past Seasons.
What you call "jump to conclusions" I call "I've seen this before". Cryptic had many chances to prove me wrong and they dutifully failed every time. I don't think it's gonna change, but I can still hope.
Good luck Cryptic trying to get people to open old lockboxes with this scheme of yours. My EC making scheme has been officially activated upon this blog post.
It depends on what the true T6 boff seating and the intelligence stuff will bring to the table.
How many versions of some ships are there now? Regular, Refit, Retrofit, Fleet and now Upgrade? Oh how I miss the days when the only thing in the C-Store was cosmetics like ship costumes.
How about extending that free upgrade to people who already spent money on the ship period, like for example, fleet ships, and Z-Store ships.
If you want to prevent backlash, move to "if you spent money on it, you don't spend money to upgrade it now" model... I understand the need to charge for the upgrade in some fashion, but do that for the people who are riding ships bought with dilithium or mirror universe ships.
Charging for Fleet ships when we already paid in both time to grind out the unlock and Real Money (for the fleet ship module) to unlock the capability to get the ship, and then the time get the necessary fleet credit FOR the ship, well that is just rubbing salt in a wound.
Lobi Store, Lock Box, Event, *FLEET* and Event ships should be exempt from cost for the upgrade process.
The problem there being that under that logic, all ships would be upgradable for free. Since Level-Up ships aren't permitted to be upgraded, and throwing Fleet and C-Store ships into the free ships list would mean there were no ships that you could pay to upgrade.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
I'm still trying to wrap my head about the upgrade system.
Okay, we were told that Tier 5s ships get a purchasable option (bleh) to Tier 5U status, which gives our Tier 5 ships more HPs, a new console slot, and opens up to some of the Tier 6 traits.
But with Fleet ships, we just know they are getting a free upgrades.......but to what? Tier 5U? Tier 5.5U? Tier 5.9? Tier 6-? Tier 6?
Fleet ships are considered tier 5 already. So basically you get the same as non fleet ships. Way the cookie crumbles.
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Serious question. How many times have you done any of the three Borg space STFs in the queue? Round number.
Mine is over 1,000 times for each of the 3.
Because you level up your ship BY PLAYING THE FRAKING GAME.
By grinding the same content over and over and over again. Since they take too long to put out new and engaging missions.
Playing inferior ships is un-fun for you...okay I can see that...but as somebody who is still using a mirror ship over a fleet and WILL continue to do so regardless (because it's fun), I fail to see why people feel this need of I must have the newest and latest shiny.
Keep in mind the devs have specifically stated they plan to make new content much more challenging.
If they make good on this, your inferior ship will feel the bite.
All the 5th mastery grants you is a trait, which you can use on every ship, not just T6 and you can earn them outside of mastery.
We can earn some traits, yes, but, I find it hard to believe that Cryptic would purposefully lock them out from being earned in T5-Us without some way to take advantage.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
wow, it sure is good this is all subject to change :rolleyes:
Q: What actions give skill points to increase my Starship Mastery level?
A: Only defeating enemy starships will yield skill points for your Starship Mastery.
will that include enemy player starships in pvp?
is there supposed to be a difference between a tier 5U ship and a tier 5U fleet ship? will the fleet have an 11th console, 10% more hitpoints, and its universal station that the non fleet wont have?
so tier 5 ships need a $5 to $10 upgrade EACH to become almost half way tier 6, is this just all really an excuse to arbitrarily increase ship release prices by $5, $10, $15? im willing to bet i could complete ALL DR content in some old tier 3 ship if i felt like it, but thats not good enough for someone like me that pvps, i need to be running the best to be competitive there, i cant just blow off a whole new tier of ships if i want to keep playing.
im sure we can look forward to proper tier 6 ships costing a whole hell of a lot more then the $20 to $25 tier 5 ships cost now. now all your new releases can be just SO totally justified to cost $35 to $40! how do you sleep at night? this excitement at this new level of profits these suckers will provide you with, is what being evil feels like.
i just did a count of all my ships that wont get a free upgrade, if it costs $5 each for them, i will need to fork over $130. if $10, $260. how dare you?
tier 6 is the bigest scam ive ever seen in my life, i bet your chinese masters were wide eyed when you told them of this crime your about to perpetrate on your playerbase. and thats just to make what i currently payed for competitive again, but it wont be really, these ships miss out on a trait, and all the goodies this intelligence officer TRIBBLE afford them. there being any difference between tier 5U and tier 6 is yet another bankrupt decision. these tier 5U ships aren't even getting more station powers? cant turn that ENS into a LT station? cant turn an LT into an LTC somewhere? cant even be bothered to make this upgrade WORTH $5 can you.
id be willing to pay $1 for a tier 5U ship, no more. being a long time player, a lifetime subscriber since open beta, a buyer of the legacy pack, a supporter with my wallet since the beginning only earns me an insane amount of things i need to pay to upgrade, for no reason other then you want to double the cost of entry at your cash store, double how much you need to pay to enjoy the game at the level you did befor DR. thats all DR really is, a desire for double profits. i really hope your greed here tanks the game once and for all. change course now, before your journey to the dark side is complete.
So to summarize, we are ALL getting screwed over big time. :mad:
What incentive and reason is there even to use a T5-U ship, if they are going to be inferior in every way to T6 ships?
You really dropped the ball on this one Cryptic.
I think after this I'm pretty much done with starship purchases, and I find myself honestly doubting if I even want to continue playing this game anymore.
I'm not getting "screwed" since I don't mind paying for the upgrades. I didn't expect that all C-store ships will be upgradable for free...
Cryptic's dropped the ball? or did you believe that you'd be able to upgrade such-and-such ship for free on your own?
We've played this game long enough to understand the impact of one less BO seat in your ship. And from Cryptic's history, the new Specialized BO seats and powers will very likely be OP and powercreep-y, as with everything done for the past Seasons.
What you call "jump to conclusions" I call "I've seen this before". Cryptic had many chances to prove me wrong and they dutifully failed every time. I don't think it's gonna change, but I can still hope.
I'm still trying to wrap my head about the upgrade system.
Okay, we were told that Tier 5s ships get a purchasable option (bleh) to Tier 5U status, which gives our Tier 5 ships more HPs, a new console slot, and opens up to some of the Tier 6 traits.
But with Fleet ships, we just know they are getting a free upgrades.......but to what? Tier 5U? Tier 5.5U? Tier 5.9? Tier 6-? Tier 6?
First of all, let's talk about what will be FREE to upgrade: Lock Box, Lobi, promo, and vet ships (including fleet versions of vet ships). ALL OTHER SHIPS will cost ZEN to upgrade.
Second of all, it just sounds like fleet ships will get the same boost that non-fleet ships get... but, remember, fleet ships are already above normal T5 ships. So, the difference between T5-U and Fleet T5-U will shake out to be the same as it is now.
People how paid for T5 ships or for keys for lockboxes, you did so by choice and have served you for up to 4 years.
Cryptic like all other MMOs are realising a level cap increase with new T6 ships to go with it.
They have specifically said T5 will still be able to play competitively.
They could have said we're rising the cap and whilst you can still use T5 you will not be able to upgrade them. But they are saying you can, but a proportion of them you will have to pay a small fee. A big chunk of ship are free to upgrade.
This is quite right; remember this game is FREE TO PLAY, so they have to make their money some how.
I for one think Cryptic is being more than fair and reasonable with this upgrade system.
Thanks for the Blog.
^^^This. Cryptic couldn't have been more fair to the players. I'm excited and I think many other players will be two almost all my ships are c-store and I'm still not upset. They have served me well but it's time for something new.
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This is about what I expected from the folks behind STO. Sleezy wallet gouging of a brand for as long as poor suckers fall for it.
Here is an obvious common sense issue:
It will cost $10+ (Haha, $5, you funny Cryptic) to upgrade to tier 5.5 meanwhile a fully armed T6 will cost $50+ (Yeah, Cryptic will jack up the price to further make them exclusive I wager)
So: Cryptic want people to pay to upgrade ships they have already paid for to a level that will STILL be significantly sub-par to what they will be selling.
Why not allow people to upgrade the old ships to FULL tier 6 equivalents and offer those that do not have those old ships to buy the Tier 6 out right ?
That way you can ditch the extremely stupid T5.5
If I am going to be paying $10 to keep the ship I want to use then let me upgrade the ship fully. Instead ALL the iconic ships from Star Trek are going to be sub par to... what ?
Are you seriously going to sell / Lockbox a T6.5 Kazon / Krenim / Talaxian ship that outguns the Federation / Klingon and Romulan's best ?
Has noone at Cryptic been around long enough to remember what happened the last time they pulled this garbage with the introduction of T5 ships with built in extra abilities ?
Not to mention this T6 concept is missing a vital piece of information.
If I am going to pay $10 to upgrade my ship to T5.5.
I want to be assured Cryptic will NOT pull an even more disgusting gouge by selling the "refit" at T6 or 6.5
Cryptic have already sold the vast majority of ships seen in Star Trek so T6 is going to have to be new models while the actual Star Trek ships get left sub-par. That is completely stupid.
You also have the issue of Fleet ships - Whats the point in Starbase shipyard upgrades if people can just buy better ships off the Z-Store ?
Unless your going to start offer Fleet versions of Tier 6 ships which would end up with a T6.5 then Cryptic have just screwed the fleet system.
Fleet ships are considered tier 5 already. So basically you get the same as non fleet ships. Way the cookie crumbles.
Are you sure?
Because it says we pay for upgrades to Fleet ships too. So we just paying for an upgrade to unlock the traits, while the rest of our C-store ships get the bonus of the added console?
Doesn't seem right to me, especially since we already paid 500 Zen or more for these Fleet ships.
All the 5th mastery grants you is a trait, which you can use on every ship, not just T6 and you can earn them outside of mastery.
Tier 5-U has one less boff ability than tier 6. Even if it's just an ensign ability, that's still a big weakness. Face it, tier 5-U are NOT comparable to tier 6, not really.
We've played this game long enough to understand the impact of one less BO seat in your ship. And from Cryptic's history, the new Specialized BO seats and powers will very likely be OP and powercreep-y, as with everything done for the past Seasons.
What you call "jump to conclusions" I call "I've seen this before". Cryptic had many chances to prove me wrong and they dutifully failed every time. I don't think it's gonna change, but I can still hope.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Tier 5-U has one less boff ability than tier 6. Even if it's just an ensign ability, that's still a big weakness. Face it, tier 5-U are NOT comparable to tier 6, not really.
Not all the T6 ships will have this BOFF ability, it said so in yesterdays blog.
Not triled that my Scimi, Bortsq, Ody and Fed Dyson destroyer packs (200$ worth) will requiere aditional spendings of 60$ to 120$ untill i get t6 ships for my 8 toons. Also the way upgrades are looking made me relize that there is no purpose in getting any of the ships that exist now, basicaly i strongly feel that spending any money on STO until X2 is a complete waste. You guys beter give us more info about new ships and X2 as soon as posible, since the upgrade posts hawe risen maney concerns with me and my fleet members
Not all the T6 ships will have this BOFF ability, it said so in yesterdays blog.
So they're probably not that powerful.
We won't know until they're out. Even if they aren't, I'm sure someone will find a reason to think they unbalance things. I can't wait to see what the PvP group thinks and how this is going to be handled.
You could get the fleet version and upgrade that one.
Which requires another substantial upgrade, another 4 (5?) FSM ontop of the old 4 FSM for the original FPE for another fused weapon slot (that doesn't even belong on this specific ship, since that characters' ship isn't a Tempest) and a slightly different boff layout, then another 500-1000Z to upgrade that to T5-U/T5.5.
By this point I'm into this one ship $40, $50. And if a lot of the paranoid, panicking "the end is nigh" criers are correct, it's still inferior to a T6 ship.
All things considered, I'm not too upset. Stuff like this in happen in MMOs and as mentioned earlier, STO is ridiculously easy, even an "obsolete" Fleet ship will still be competent at endgame content.
Not all the T6 ships will have this BOFF ability, it said so in yesterdays blog.
So they're probably not that powerful.
Not all ships have the specialist boffs, is what the blog said. But all T6 ships have an extra bridge officer seat.
This upgrade is therefore asking us to fork over money to make our T5 ships slightly less vastly inferior to a T6 ship. But still vastly inferior. A bridge officer seat is huge.
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I'm not overly happy that I have to pay another charge to upgrade my Vesta Class, which I did actually pay for (not through the stipend) whilst Lobi/Lockbox etc are free, it should be everyone or no-one having to pay if you want to hold onto your existing T5 ship. I wouldn't object if it was across the board.
Exactly. I bought my Avenger with my own money (not with stipend) and im being asked to pay more Zen to upgrade it or just buy a T6 ship? Cryptic. Im going to buy T6 ships regardless because their new, you dont need to charge me to upgrade a ship ive already paid for.
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We've played this game long enough to understand the impact of one less BO seat in your ship. And from Cryptic's history, the new Specialized BO seats and powers will very likely be OP and powercreep-y, as with everything done for the past Seasons.
What you call "jump to conclusions" I call "I've seen this before". Cryptic had many chances to prove me wrong and they dutifully failed every time. I don't think it's gonna change, but I can still hope.
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Good luck Cryptic trying to get people to open old lockboxes with this scheme of yours. My EC making scheme has been officially activated upon this blog post.
Except even then they're inferior by a single point in Starship Mastery?
All the 5th mastery grants you is a trait, which you can use on every ship, not just T6 and you can earn them outside of mastery.
How many versions of some ships are there now? Regular, Refit, Retrofit, Fleet and now Upgrade? Oh how I miss the days when the only thing in the C-Store was cosmetics like ship costumes.
The problem there being that under that logic, all ships would be upgradable for free. Since Level-Up ships aren't permitted to be upgraded, and throwing Fleet and C-Store ships into the free ships list would mean there were no ships that you could pay to upgrade.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Fleet ships are considered tier 5 already. So basically you get the same as non fleet ships. Way the cookie crumbles.
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Serious question. How many times have you done any of the three Borg space STFs in the queue? Round number.
Mine is over 1,000 times for each of the 3.
By grinding the same content over and over and over again. Since they take too long to put out new and engaging missions.
Keep in mind the devs have specifically stated they plan to make new content much more challenging.
If they make good on this, your inferior ship will feel the bite.
We can earn some traits, yes, but, I find it hard to believe that Cryptic would purposefully lock them out from being earned in T5-Us without some way to take advantage.
That's what's kind of funny about the whole "Tier" system...there's been a lot of variation within each tier as it is.
Which is why I'm not too worked up about the current Tier 6 debate.
Q: What actions give skill points to increase my Starship Mastery level?
A: Only defeating enemy starships will yield skill points for your Starship Mastery.
will that include enemy player starships in pvp?
is there supposed to be a difference between a tier 5U ship and a tier 5U fleet ship? will the fleet have an 11th console, 10% more hitpoints, and its universal station that the non fleet wont have?
so tier 5 ships need a $5 to $10 upgrade EACH to become almost half way tier 6, is this just all really an excuse to arbitrarily increase ship release prices by $5, $10, $15? im willing to bet i could complete ALL DR content in some old tier 3 ship if i felt like it, but thats not good enough for someone like me that pvps, i need to be running the best to be competitive there, i cant just blow off a whole new tier of ships if i want to keep playing.
im sure we can look forward to proper tier 6 ships costing a whole hell of a lot more then the $20 to $25 tier 5 ships cost now. now all your new releases can be just SO totally justified to cost $35 to $40! how do you sleep at night? this excitement at this new level of profits these suckers will provide you with, is what being evil feels like.
i just did a count of all my ships that wont get a free upgrade, if it costs $5 each for them, i will need to fork over $130. if $10, $260. how dare you?
tier 6 is the bigest scam ive ever seen in my life, i bet your chinese masters were wide eyed when you told them of this crime your about to perpetrate on your playerbase. and thats just to make what i currently payed for competitive again, but it wont be really, these ships miss out on a trait, and all the goodies this intelligence officer TRIBBLE afford them. there being any difference between tier 5U and tier 6 is yet another bankrupt decision. these tier 5U ships aren't even getting more station powers? cant turn that ENS into a LT station? cant turn an LT into an LTC somewhere? cant even be bothered to make this upgrade WORTH $5 can you.
id be willing to pay $1 for a tier 5U ship, no more. being a long time player, a lifetime subscriber since open beta, a buyer of the legacy pack, a supporter with my wallet since the beginning only earns me an insane amount of things i need to pay to upgrade, for no reason other then you want to double the cost of entry at your cash store, double how much you need to pay to enjoy the game at the level you did befor DR. thats all DR really is, a desire for double profits. i really hope your greed here tanks the game once and for all. change course now, before your journey to the dark side is complete.
Cryptic's dropped the ball? or did you believe that you'd be able to upgrade such-and-such ship for free on your own?
Exactly......
First of all, let's talk about what will be FREE to upgrade: Lock Box, Lobi, promo, and vet ships (including fleet versions of vet ships). ALL OTHER SHIPS will cost ZEN to upgrade.
Second of all, it just sounds like fleet ships will get the same boost that non-fleet ships get... but, remember, fleet ships are already above normal T5 ships. So, the difference between T5-U and Fleet T5-U will shake out to be the same as it is now.
^^^This. Cryptic couldn't have been more fair to the players. I'm excited and I think many other players will be two almost all my ships are c-store and I'm still not upset. They have served me well but it's time for something new.
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Here is an obvious common sense issue:
It will cost $10+ (Haha, $5, you funny Cryptic) to upgrade to tier 5.5 meanwhile a fully armed T6 will cost $50+ (Yeah, Cryptic will jack up the price to further make them exclusive I wager)
So: Cryptic want people to pay to upgrade ships they have already paid for to a level that will STILL be significantly sub-par to what they will be selling.
Why not allow people to upgrade the old ships to FULL tier 6 equivalents and offer those that do not have those old ships to buy the Tier 6 out right ?
That way you can ditch the extremely stupid T5.5
If I am going to be paying $10 to keep the ship I want to use then let me upgrade the ship fully. Instead ALL the iconic ships from Star Trek are going to be sub par to... what ?
Are you seriously going to sell / Lockbox a T6.5 Kazon / Krenim / Talaxian ship that outguns the Federation / Klingon and Romulan's best ?
Has noone at Cryptic been around long enough to remember what happened the last time they pulled this garbage with the introduction of T5 ships with built in extra abilities ?
Not to mention this T6 concept is missing a vital piece of information.
If I am going to pay $10 to upgrade my ship to T5.5.
I want to be assured Cryptic will NOT pull an even more disgusting gouge by selling the "refit" at T6 or 6.5
Cryptic have already sold the vast majority of ships seen in Star Trek so T6 is going to have to be new models while the actual Star Trek ships get left sub-par. That is completely stupid.
You also have the issue of Fleet ships - Whats the point in Starbase shipyard upgrades if people can just buy better ships off the Z-Store ?
Unless your going to start offer Fleet versions of Tier 6 ships which would end up with a T6.5 then Cryptic have just screwed the fleet system.
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Are you sure?
Because it says we pay for upgrades to Fleet ships too. So we just paying for an upgrade to unlock the traits, while the rest of our C-store ships get the bonus of the added console?
Doesn't seem right to me, especially since we already paid 500 Zen or more for these Fleet ships.
Tier 5-U has one less boff ability than tier 6. Even if it's just an ensign ability, that's still a big weakness. Face it, tier 5-U are NOT comparable to tier 6, not really.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Not all the T6 ships will have this BOFF ability, it said so in yesterdays blog.
So they're probably not that powerful.
So obviously it's not going to get changed before DR launches.
We won't know until they're out. Even if they aren't, I'm sure someone will find a reason to think they unbalance things. I can't wait to see what the PvP group thinks and how this is going to be handled.
Which requires another substantial upgrade, another 4 (5?) FSM ontop of the old 4 FSM for the original FPE for another fused weapon slot (that doesn't even belong on this specific ship, since that characters' ship isn't a Tempest) and a slightly different boff layout, then another 500-1000Z to upgrade that to T5-U/T5.5.
By this point I'm into this one ship $40, $50. And if a lot of the paranoid, panicking "the end is nigh" criers are correct, it's still inferior to a T6 ship.
All things considered, I'm not too upset. Stuff like this in happen in MMOs and as mentioned earlier, STO is ridiculously easy, even an "obsolete" Fleet ship will still be competent at endgame content.
Not all ships have the specialist boffs, is what the blog said. But all T6 ships have an extra bridge officer seat.
This upgrade is therefore asking us to fork over money to make our T5 ships slightly less vastly inferior to a T6 ship. But still vastly inferior. A bridge officer seat is huge.
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Exactly. I bought my Avenger with my own money (not with stipend) and im being asked to pay more Zen to upgrade it or just buy a T6 ship? Cryptic. Im going to buy T6 ships regardless because their new, you dont need to charge me to upgrade a ship ive already paid for.
Cryptic, you guys done it.. this has been the move with more greed that you ever done.
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