so they are making us pay to upgrade our T5 ships and when they are upgraded they are still inferior to the T6 ships? then what is the point of upgrading our ships?
Like I said in the announcement thread this makes our T5 ships completely obsolete PvPwise and we'll see nothing but T6 ships in PvP when they drop...There's just too huge of an advantage to T6s.
An extra console slot, all that means to me is people will be slotting one more universal console further making the michael bay style even more cray than before. More clickies! Just what we needed. I just can't see how they came up with pve content that justifies needing this huge jump in power?
How can you say that T5-U are going to be the utter TRIBBLE of STO with just this little info? :rolleyes:
I agree they won't be straight on par with T6, but not to trash as well.
Note that although only T6 ships will come with a Ship Trait (not T5-U), ships are not the only way to acquire Ship Traits. Ship Traits are not restricted to the ship. Its something you unlock for you captain and you can use on any ship. There will be other ways to unlock Ship Traits. More details on this soon.
How can you say that T5-U are going to be the utter TRIBBLE of STO with just this little info? :rolleyes:
Tier VI ships will have an extra bridge officer station (i.e. Lt. upgraded to Lt. Commander). They will also obtain a unique trait and access to unique bridge officer abilities. Tier V-U will be excluded from all that...it will make a difference.
Since when is the Chimera Heavy Destroyer a Lobi Store/Lockbox ship?
I think it could be considered a promotional item, since it's a veteran reward. Not sure why the Romulan and Klingon vet ships are kept separate, though.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
They are essentially the same as lockbox/lobi/event ships and thus should be treated accordingly.
One question:
If I have the fleet version and non-fleet version of the Avenger battlecruiser, will one upgrade for the non-fleet also handle fleet versions on other toons?
Firstly, thanks for the information. I'm also pleased to see that itll be a an account wide unlock for T5-U's. I am more than happy to shell out zen to upgrade my T5 ships.
However, the notion that T5-U's will be competitive with T6's seems to be utter nonsense at this point. Just having an extra BOFF power gives T6's a huge edge over T5U's.
The loss of "specialist BOFF seating" and the starship trait features could both be huge, depending on how potent they are. So long as the starship trait isnt uber powerful it shouldnt matter too much, since theyll still both only have four slots.
More information is needed before we can judge how these losses will affect T5U's. But at the very least T5U's will be hobbled by the relative loss of a BOFF power (even having one less ensign power could be painful, but imagine if the 13th power is LTC or even COM level? it makes me shudder). They will not be competitive with T6's as they stand.
As someone who has lashed out a small fortune on zen for this game, please take my words to heart: please give us true T6 upgrades to T5 ships.
One final, random point: please, for the love of all that is good and right, make the 11th console slot a Tac console on the T5U versions of the Galaxy and Galaxy X. Save yourselves the headache and make us a little happier too.
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so they are making us pay to upgrade our T5 ships and when they are upgraded they are still inferior to the T6 ships? then what is the point of upgrading our ships?
So that those players who have chosen 'Iconic' ships can continue to have some of the benefits without switching to Cryptic's in-house designed T6 ships and Cryptic can get a little more money out of it.
Great, so no starship trait, additional boff ability or specialist boff slot.
So unless the specialist boff turns your impulse trail into rainbows, the 5th level mastery level being useless, the starship trait being a visual mod,
Ya....that doesn't sound like it'll be fluff to me.
Terrible implementation
This...sooooo much this...these Boff skills and trait worry me the most. Upgrade the T5 ships in the front...nerf them in the back.
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Note that although only T6 ships will come with a Ship Trait (not T5-U), ships are not the only way to acquire Ship Traits. Ship Traits are not restricted to the ship. Its something you unlock for you captain and you can use on any ship. There will be other ways to unlock Ship Traits. More details on this soon.
Ah, so slots for ship traits are connected to the captain, not the ship?
Only earnable on T6 ships, but there are non-ship ways to acquire them?
Good to know, the ship trait thing was looking like a rather bigger gap than many of would swallow.
Ok, first at all, this game is a BUSINESS!! I get it, no problem at all. Everyone who get a C-store ship (paid with zen or dill) did it because it was a personal choice, nor Cryptic or PWE force you to do it. I have 19 alts that fly a different ship, some are Zen, some free ships, mirror, etc. As a business, STO gave you the choice to pay or not to pay to "upgrade" your T5 ship, I can tell from this moment that I WILL NOT pay an "upgrade" that dont make my T5 ship into a REAL T6 ship. Of course, if they give us that choice, not many ppl will buy the new T6 ships, so i guess thats the reason on this move, pay to fly your T5 ship and make it a little better or save and get a new T6 ship, with all the upgrades available. I wish that at least the fleet ships could upgrade into a full T6, if that is the case, i will pay the upgrade, if not, then i will have to wait and see if the new T6 ships are good enough and maybe get those instead. It is my choice to spend my real money on this game, but as it is, i know i will not get this half upgrades. And dont get me wrong, i am really expecting D.R., i love this game, but as i said before, i will not spend money on half upgrades.
Compared to T6 Ships all upgraded Lockbox shipy are now Junk:
One less Mastery Level,
No Starship Trait
No additiional Bridge Officer abilities
No Specialist BO Seats
so with no knowledge about those specialist boffs or the trait it comes down to the additional Boff ability that won't be found on the T5-U ships. if it's just an ensign it doesn't matter this much, but if it's a new captain slot or what ever above the commander ... then the T5-U will be ABSOLUTELY obsolete compared to T6 ships.
oh and what happened with
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship (either from this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship capabilities at no cost.
if i understand this Blog correctly the bugfighter won't be Tier 6 but Tier 5-U instead
I can't really see anyone buying lockboxes anymore if the grand prize will be a below average ship since T6 seems to be THAT much better.
not to talk about the entire current C-store ships and fleet modules. people who have those ships now might upgrade them if they really love them, but i doubt many new player will buy anything other then the new T6 ships
i really hope Cryptic will release more T6 ships in the same old ship families (like the heavy escort, patrol escort, assault cruiser family and so on) with interchangeable parts and consoles to be used in the new ships. at least that's the only way i see how they can still have sales on the current C-store ships...
I think it could be considered a promotional item, since it's a veteran reward. Not sure why the Romulan and Klingon vet ships are kept separate, though.
I am unhappy with the upgrade solution for a few reasons.
1. There is no point to upgrade a ship when it won't have the bells and whistles of a full T6 ship.
2. This upgrade system completely devalues all lock box ships and Z-Store ships and ensures I will never open another lock box, buy another key, or make another Z-Store purchase ever again!
3. Ships obtained with a leveling token and MU ships are not upgradable.
4. It's o cash grab for an interior result!
I don't expect to be playing STO once X2 launches due to the ship upgrade slap in the face that spits in the face of every dollor every player has already sunk into this game. :mad:
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I think it could be considered a promotional item, since it's a veteran reward. Not sure why the Romulan and Klingon vet ships are kept separate, though.
It was a mistake that the Chimera was put in the Lockbox/Lobi list.
Any potential cost in upgrading ships. Some of us have more than one ship type to upgrade. It's okay to have the upgrade be account-wide, but it means nothing if I don't want to fly the same ship on every character in a given faction... and I don't. A cost of $5 - $10 per ship per account doesn't sound like much... until you multiply it per character. For me, to do that with all ten of my current lvl 50 captains, that's $50 to $100, and that's NOT small.
Making T5u ships "inferior" to T6 ships. To get a genuine T6 ship for every character on an account, you have to buy all the T6 ships you plan to use (depending on faction), and fly them on all your captains, at least initially. Until more T6 ships become available, we're either forced to fly the same ship on multiple characters (see above for why this is a problem for some folks) or upgrade to a ship that is sub-standard to the quality of a full T6 ship. You've stated that you want to keep the T5 ships we love "relevant", but that's not going to feel that way to a lot of folks if you don't give a T5u ALL the benefits of a T6.
Note that although only T6 ships will come with a Ship Trait (not T5-U), ships are not the only way to acquire Ship Traits. Ship Traits are not restricted to the ship. Its something you unlock for you captain and you can use on any ship. There will be other ways to unlock Ship Traits. More details on this soon.
If we can put a tier 6 ship trait on to a tier 5-U ship anyway, there'd be no point to prevent us from simply earning it with our tier 5-U ship in the first place. Forgive me if I don't think it'll quite as simple as you're implying.
so they are making us pay to upgrade our T5 ships and when they are upgraded they are still inferior to the T6 ships? then what is the point of upgrading our ships?
I dont know, by the way, DOOOOOM threads are maybe true, after delta rising they will see more empty ESD than before.
hey i just want to ask the devs it was said the attack ship would be upgraded to tier 6 not tier 5-U in the attack ship duty officer promo is that still the case?
I am unhappy with the upgrade solution for a few reasons.
1. There is no point to upgrade a ship when it won't have the bells and whistles of a full T6 ship.
Nail, hit on head.
The whole point of this system is to ensure they don't make everything that people already own useless but at the same time saying "Frankly, you really really should by T6 instead."
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
since people are able to complete STFs in tier 1 ships this answer has absolutely no value.
so with no knowledge about those specialist boffs or the trait it comes down to the additional Boff ability that won't be found on the T5-U ships. if it's just an ensign it doesn't matter this much, but if it's a new captain slot or what ever above the commander ... then the T5-U will be ABSOLUTELY obsolete compared to T6 ships.
oh and what happened with
if i understand this Blog correctly the bugfighter won't be Tier 6 but Tier 5-U instead
I can't really see anyone buying lockboxes anymore if the grand prize will be a below average ship since T6 seems to be THAT much better.
not to talk about the entire current C-store ships and fleet modules. people who have those ships now might upgrade them if they really love them, but i doubt many new player will buy anything other then the new T6 ships
i really hope Cryptic will release more T6 ships in the same old ship families (like the heavy escort, patrol escort, assault cruiser family and so on) with interchangeable parts and consoles to be used in the new ships. at least that's the only way i see how they can still have sales on the current C-store ships...
Cryptic considers T5-U to be on par with T6 except for a few 'Bells and Whistles' those minor things being apparently at least 60% of what makes T6 ships unique. Like Starship Mastery, Slots and unique BOFFs.
I'm very curious in finding out what about T6 ships is so technologically incredible that our supposedly ultra-modular 25th Century starships just can't be fully modified to cope.
Mirror ships will not be upgradeable. That's a pity.
This is a bad thing. It's sad. Mirror ships have put a lot more life into the game since they were introduced. They've put more imagination in the folks using them, and by no means are they top-tier, but they WERE capable. You could run any STF in a mirror ship. Sadly, now it seems they'll be all but useless and people will be forced out of them.
If I could make a suggestion to the Developers. Consider an account wide upgrade for something like 3000 zen for those of us who've already purchased a dozen ships in each faction it would make a difference.
I can read between the lines and see that you plan on making C-store ship upgrades cost 500 zen and fleet ships cost 500 zen plus a fleet module but really for those of us with more than 2-3 ships the cost model is prohibitive.
I know this information will not please everyone as it is not what everyone wanted to hear regarding CStore ships and ZEN costs for upgrading, but please remember to keep the responses civil, and follow our TOS.
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I agree with keeping it civil so I will state my my feelings on the subject as civil as I can.
I would ask that the ships that can be upgraded to a T5-U be instead capable of being upgraded to a full T6 with all the benefits. Many of us have grown attached to our ships for sentimental and/or monetary reasons but do not want to be left behind technology wise.
I also realize that this will cut into the sale of T6 ships for the ones running the game (which needs to earn some funds to keep the game going). For this reason, I would be willing to pay a reasonable zen amount to upgrade my ships. Charging too much zen will turn people off of the game and charging not enough for this and other services will cause the game to fold. I would hope as customers and those providers of a service will be able to find a balance all are happy with.
hey i just want to ask the devs it was said the attack ship would be upgraded to tier 6 not tier 5-U in the attack ship duty officer promo is that still the case?
Well...
What they said was:
With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship (either from this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship capabilities at no cost.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
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we invested time AND money on our t-5s only to be told NOW we have to spend on them again?
no cryptic no thank you this is BS and you know it i think i may start playing something else we will see.
How can you say that T5-U are going to be the utter TRIBBLE of STO with just this little info? :rolleyes:
I agree they won't be straight on par with T6, but not to trash as well.
Good to know, thanks for clearing that up!
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All it does is further increase the barrier to entry for new players into Space PvP.
Tier VI ships will have an extra bridge officer station (i.e. Lt. upgraded to Lt. Commander). They will also obtain a unique trait and access to unique bridge officer abilities. Tier V-U will be excluded from all that...it will make a difference.
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I think it could be considered a promotional item, since it's a veteran reward. Not sure why the Romulan and Klingon vet ships are kept separate, though.
They are essentially the same as lockbox/lobi/event ships and thus should be treated accordingly.
One question:
If I have the fleet version and non-fleet version of the Avenger battlecruiser, will one upgrade for the non-fleet also handle fleet versions on other toons?
However, the notion that T5-U's will be competitive with T6's seems to be utter nonsense at this point. Just having an extra BOFF power gives T6's a huge edge over T5U's.
The loss of "specialist BOFF seating" and the starship trait features could both be huge, depending on how potent they are. So long as the starship trait isnt uber powerful it shouldnt matter too much, since theyll still both only have four slots.
More information is needed before we can judge how these losses will affect T5U's. But at the very least T5U's will be hobbled by the relative loss of a BOFF power (even having one less ensign power could be painful, but imagine if the 13th power is LTC or even COM level? it makes me shudder). They will not be competitive with T6's as they stand.
As someone who has lashed out a small fortune on zen for this game, please take my words to heart: please give us true T6 upgrades to T5 ships.
One final, random point: please, for the love of all that is good and right, make the 11th console slot a Tac console on the T5U versions of the Galaxy and Galaxy X. Save yourselves the headache and make us a little happier too.
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So that those players who have chosen 'Iconic' ships can continue to have some of the benefits without switching to Cryptic's in-house designed T6 ships and Cryptic can get a little more money out of it.
This...sooooo much this...these Boff skills and trait worry me the most. Upgrade the T5 ships in the front...nerf them in the back.
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Ah, so slots for ship traits are connected to the captain, not the ship?
Only earnable on T6 ships, but there are non-ship ways to acquire them?
Good to know, the ship trait thing was looking like a rather bigger gap than many of would swallow.
since people are able to complete STFs in tier 1 ships this answer has absolutely no value.
so with no knowledge about those specialist boffs or the trait it comes down to the additional Boff ability that won't be found on the T5-U ships. if it's just an ensign it doesn't matter this much, but if it's a new captain slot or what ever above the commander ... then the T5-U will be ABSOLUTELY obsolete compared to T6 ships.
oh and what happened with
if i understand this Blog correctly the bugfighter won't be Tier 6 but Tier 5-U instead
I can't really see anyone buying lockboxes anymore if the grand prize will be a below average ship since T6 seems to be THAT much better.
not to talk about the entire current C-store ships and fleet modules. people who have those ships now might upgrade them if they really love them, but i doubt many new player will buy anything other then the new T6 ships
i really hope Cryptic will release more T6 ships in the same old ship families (like the heavy escort, patrol escort, assault cruiser family and so on) with interchangeable parts and consoles to be used in the new ships. at least that's the only way i see how they can still have sales on the current C-store ships...
I'm not saying it's iconians, but it's iconians.
1. There is no point to upgrade a ship when it won't have the bells and whistles of a full T6 ship.
2. This upgrade system completely devalues all lock box ships and Z-Store ships and ensures I will never open another lock box, buy another key, or make another Z-Store purchase ever again!
3. Ships obtained with a leveling token and MU ships are not upgradable.
4. It's o cash grab for an interior result!
I don't expect to be playing STO once X2 launches due to the ship upgrade slap in the face that spits in the face of every dollor every player has already sunk into this game. :mad:
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I dont know, by the way, DOOOOOM threads are maybe true, after delta rising they will see more empty ESD than before.
Nail, hit on head.
The whole point of this system is to ensure they don't make everything that people already own useless but at the same time saying "Frankly, you really really should by T6 instead."
Cryptic considers T5-U to be on par with T6 except for a few 'Bells and Whistles' those minor things being apparently at least 60% of what makes T6 ships unique. Like Starship Mastery, Slots and unique BOFFs.
I'm very curious in finding out what about T6 ships is so technologically incredible that our supposedly ultra-modular 25th Century starships just can't be fully modified to cope.
This is a bad thing. It's sad. Mirror ships have put a lot more life into the game since they were introduced. They've put more imagination in the folks using them, and by no means are they top-tier, but they WERE capable. You could run any STF in a mirror ship. Sadly, now it seems they'll be all but useless and people will be forced out of them.
I can read between the lines and see that you plan on making C-store ship upgrades cost 500 zen and fleet ships cost 500 zen plus a fleet module but really for those of us with more than 2-3 ships the cost model is prohibitive.
I agree with keeping it civil so I will state my my feelings on the subject as civil as I can.
I would ask that the ships that can be upgraded to a T5-U be instead capable of being upgraded to a full T6 with all the benefits. Many of us have grown attached to our ships for sentimental and/or monetary reasons but do not want to be left behind technology wise.
I also realize that this will cut into the sale of T6 ships for the ones running the game (which needs to earn some funds to keep the game going). For this reason, I would be willing to pay a reasonable zen amount to upgrade my ships. Charging too much zen will turn people off of the game and charging not enough for this and other services will cause the game to fold. I would hope as customers and those providers of a service will be able to find a balance all are happy with.
Thank you for reading and good luck to all.
This had better not mean that the Mobius isn't getting upgraded even though it is a lobi ship and the other temporal destroyers are on the free list.
Well...
What they said was:
Which I assume means T5-U.