It's much simpler than that: I wanna play a Star Trek game. If I have to feel inferior in endgame because I fly CANON ships and not some super shiny, sleek, soulless T6-ship, this is not going to be a "good Star Trek game" anymore, and I will therefore have no incentive of playing it anymore.
Don't turn this into a religion. The difference between "canon" ships and what we're getting now is the name on the design credit (which you don't care about) and in just what entertainment format you're getting it. Sure, flying something from a show you've always watched as a kid means something but that thing is just the abitrary product of a studio's design department that has the very same role in the universe as what we're getting now. If you appreciate star trek fully you'll see that its not the model that matters but the position that model puts you in. This game could have absolutely NOTHING from the shows and yet flying a federation starship would in itself mean the same thing (just as the Galaxy class itself didn't make the TNG cast inherantly inferior to the original. Though the look varied they were still in a very similar situation which is what mattered.)
Dump the iconography. It's not what's important (it's nice but it shouldn't ever be made the end-all.)
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Will there be T6-versions of CANON ships? I do not care how good or horrible the new shinies look. If I cannot fly a Galaxy, Akira, Negh'Var and D'deridex in endgame and be -competitive- in every sense, this game is dead to me and many others who want nothing else but a good STAR TREK game. Simple.
How would I know?
All I do know is that there are 7-10 tier 6 ships coming and we've only seen 3. Could any of the un-seen T6 ships be canon ships? Yes, No, Maybe, I don't know?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...definitely so when it comes to ships. It's mind-boggling to me how some folks call certain ships beauts...much like they /facepalm hard for the ships I appreciate the look of...etc, etc, etc.
Folks need to keep in mind that just because they like or dislike the look of something, that they're just speaking for themselves...
No i haven't......thats what you'd call a strawman argument.
As things stand, we simply dont know what the upgrade from T5 to T6 will look like.
I sincerely hope they get it right, but can't count on that because its not always been the case.
Do point out to me the post where you believe I've already made my mind up.
I did not mean you. I was using the general 'you'.
Example: The Government says it's going to give me 1Million dollars but I am skeptical.
In the above sentence the I is skeptical...doesnt believe it's going to happen....that's already drawn a conclusion.
The logical response to the T6 thing is to wait until you have all the facts and then draw a conclusion.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
It's not ENT Online.
It's not TOS Online.
It's not TNG Online.
It's not DS9 Online.
It's not VOY Online.
It's now 2410...was 2409.
This has never been a hidden fact...
...then you would have quit playing long ago.
I understand. And as you are pointing out, it is all quite simple. 2410, 2409... does not matter as long as it looks and feels like trek. Taking the viability of canon ships out of the game and effectively condemning them to some RPG costume to wear off hours would definitely destroy any of that look and feel STO has for me. As I play STO because it tries to be TREK, and not because I wanna play some generic space shooter, this would take away much joy out of the game for me... too much.
Don't turn this into a religion. The difference between "canon" ships and what we're getting now is the name on the design credit (which you don't care about) and in just what entertainment format you're getting it. Sure, flying something from a show you've always watched as a kid means something but that thing is just the abitrary product of a studio's design department that has the very same role in the universe as what we're getting now. If you appreciate star trek fully you'll see that its not the model that matters but the position that model puts you in. This game could have absolutely NOTHING from the shows and yet flying a federation starship would in itself mean the same thing (just as the Galaxy class itself didn't make the TNG cast inherantly inferior to the original. Though the look varied they were still in a very similar situation which is what mattered.)
Dump the iconography. It's not what's important (it's nice but it shouldn't ever be made the end-all.)
Ok, what is important to Star Trek? What else but the iconography does STO have to make it a Star Trek game?^^ STO is (according to DStahl's own words) first and foremost a space combat simulation. Nothing wrong with that. Trek lives off the character interaction and the moral and ethic dilemmas and paraphrases encountered by the crew. STO does not and cannot transport that.
As I saw the Tier 6 cruiser, I decided that it looks more than just intriguing, I am liking it more and more...
Just because you think it looks horrible, that doesn't mean every other single player thinks the same way.
You like what you like. There's nothing wrong with that.
It's growing on me in much the same way the Prometheus did.
and as a TOS fan it took me a long time to accept the Galaxy
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Knowing what is known about the new BOFF but can't talk about here yet, the design makes sense and is pretty nice for what role it's presumably supposed to fill. I'm not overwhelmed by the looks, but I am not repulsed by it either.
At this point, I am still on the "going to buy the DR legacy pack" side of the fence. I skipped the LoR pack, and ended up kinda regretting it considering how much I bought out of it at full price. If it's the same 33%+ discount this time, basically I will end up over time spending enough to make the 33% I don't end up buying free anyway.
Question: Do you play STO because you want a good space combat simulation or because you simply enjoy (almost) everything Trek?
For me it is the latter. Perhaps that helps everyone to see why the game would loose so much of its appeal to me, if canon designs would really be condemned to off-duty RPG costumes, but not be viable endgame ships anymore.
My initial impression is, "your T5 ship will not be obsolete" means exactly "your T5 ship is now completely obsolete". But I guess we'll have to wait and see what the upgrade options made available to T5 ships are.
Hopefully they'll get all of the stuff mentioned here sans the "specialist seat". But even from the sounds of that whole set of powers the specialist gets, that set of powers would be a necessity in PvP as every BO power available makes a big impact.
Well while todays dev blog was a nice short read. It left more questions. Mostly it made the same questions that the player base has been wanting to know about more desperate to be answered. I could see this as being a mid term marketing ploy to deny the player base what they want for a few months then give in and release an upgrade token or something that would make most tier 5 ships comparable to tier 6. Or they really are just going to be left in the dust with a few patches to make them useful up to a point. Or a third notion I can see them doing is with release and information to come, having tier 5 ships upgradable to be on par. Best example of this was from TNG with the Galaxy and Galaxy X. Riker didn't want the old girl mothballed so as an Admiral he had the option of choosing his own ship. Thus more than likely under the same token of reason ordered the refits needed to keep her comparable with ships of the age.
Most of what was given to us in information about Tier 6 has me hopeful for some fun in the next year to come of the games life.
Okay the three ships teased sofar. The Klingon looks nice, wont fly her since I don't play Klingon. The Warbird is beautiful, you did a wonderful job on her.
The Fed ship... okay please understand I like the looks of the ship. Is she Federation... no. I feel that she looks more like something crossed over from Star Gate or Babylon 5. I know you want to take ship designs for the game and make them your own. Make them fit in with the story and game you are making. Though I would please stress that making ships follow suit with what is seen in Federation ship design and linage.
People liking or not We know the base direction federation starships continue to go the example being the Enterprise J. Hundreds of years in the future but her appearance is still in line with federation ship concepts. The only shown ship to really deviate from that is the federation Time ship. But that one being so far in the future that traveling was no longer really done at warp, so the ships reflected that.
Again I am not saying the new fed ship your are showing is horrible, or ugly or anything of the like. I just feel she does not look like something the Federation would build on their own. Now maybe if it was in league with another species or coalition of others than possible it could pass by without the player base going up in arms more so. She does look like something the feds, roms, and kdf would come up with after a lot of fighting over it.
Space is vast, it's wonderful and maddening. Yet in that madness is some of the greatest beauty I have ever seen.
My initial impression is, "your T5 ship will not be obsolete" means exactly "your T5 ship is now completely obsolete". But I guess we'll have to wait and see what the upgrade options made available to T5 ships are.
Hopefully they'll get all of the stuff mentioned here sans the "specialist seat". But even from the sounds of that whole set of powers the specialist gets, that set of powers would be a necessity in PvP as every BO power available makes a big impact.
So, tell me, what do you interpret "I are not prone to jumping to conclusions" to mean?
Just kidding.... we won't know until we know. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses', if a bit more bleak than most.
Meh, I guess for me it's not a case of the ships not making it feel like Star Trek...it's the genocide that makes it feel like it isn't Star Trek.
Consider SB24 for a moment, eh? Just the destroy 20 Negh'Var angle. 2500+ crew per Negh'Var...that's 50,000+ folks just there that you're slaughtering. There's the crew from the 50 ships you blow up before you get to those 20. And how many times have folks run SB24?
Yeah, it's not whether I'm flying a T5 Connie or not that kills the Star Trek feel for me...it's the wholesale rampant slaughter that kills the Star Trek feel for me.
It's much simpler than that: I wanna play a Star Trek game. If I have to feel inferior in endgame because I fly CANON ships and not some super shiny, sleek, soulless T6-ship, this is not going to be a "good Star Trek game" anymore, and I will therefore have no incentive of playing it anymore.
You can hit me with 1,000 super sensible arguments about how the timeline and the technology progress and that Cryptic is a business after all. All fine and dandy. But: Canon ships are inferior? --> No play I.
I don't care about Star Trek as much as I care about flying a ship that I enjoy looking at, and having my own, custom crew.
That said, I kind of like the design of said T6 Cruiser.
In this case we play STO for two completely different reasons. Nothing wrong with that. Cryptic knows its different kinds of players, and that they will gain people like you with something like T6 ships, but lose people like me (IF canon ships really become "kind of obsolete").
Question is, if it is going to be a good or a bad direction for the game in the long run.
Fact is: There are other generic space f2p MMOs out there, and such a development might decrease STO's selling point.
Originally at the first showing of the Fed T6 ship, I hadn't liked the design but you naughty kids, you... you had shown it a the worst possible angles. Now I see it as an big sleek Stargazer, and I am in love with the appearance.
I am worried about a couple things though. I own quite a few T5 ships, and enjoy swapping between them at will. This new system for upgrading sounds overly complex with me having to level each ship up to get the most out of it's performance. While I Don't look forward to this so long as the rewards are contingent with the work, I will be happy to do it.
What concerns me is that you are introducing what I though you would with the concept of hybrid slots, something we had already glimpsed at when we had officers like Tuvok and Worf under our temporary command, and they could hit super attack patterns or beam and torpedo spreads. These were little hidden glimpses of things to come.
I would urge you to instead of locking those away from the T5 ships, instead make those [Redacted] Officer seatings locked to the Captain(player) as they grow in ability toward sixty so does they're [Redacted] Officer grow toward Commander level abilites.
Additionally I think it is time every group got a new ability, a Captain level ability, mirroring some of the player only abilites seen so far. This SHOULD be T6 ship only, with (1)One slot chosen by the player unlocked for a T5 ship as an upgrade.
T5 Captain Abilties in this perfect world of mine would include
Tactical Space
Alpha Shift (Lesser version of Attack Pattern Alpha)
Picard Maneuver (2 Min cooldown Warp Shadow Teleport, with a buff to damage)
Science Space
Photonic Shadows (Lesser Photonic Fleet)
Lesser Subnucleonic Beam
Engineer Space
Cannae Do Et! (Lesser Miracle Worker)
Lesser EPS Power Transfer
all tied to ship.
T6 [Redacted] Officer abilites would be things like
Tactical
Alpha Omega Maneuver (Combined Alpha and Omega manuever (T1 of each))
The Picard Maneuver
Science
Dectect/Exploit Instability
Exploit Space/Time anomaly
Nanite Assimilated Sensors (Enemy ships target each other for short period)
So there you go, I voiced concerns, (I fear that T5 ships are going to not be upgraded to compete with the new T6 ships in ways that will be viable), I gave constructive feedback on ways I feel could help, and hopefully didn't come accross as either whining or pissy.
Also the new ships all so far look awesome good job. (albiet you tricked me with a bottom only shot of the Federation ship, made it look like the most unattracive escort since ever... tricksy develpers... yes Tricksy...)
Yeah, it's not whether I'm flying a T5 Connie or not that kills the Star Trek feel for me...it's the wholesale rampant slaughter that kills the Star Trek feel for me.
The Star Trek feel was never loss because we never have it. Star Trek Online never respected the Star Trek sp
For the original Trek, it was about the ship. Everything else could and would be sacrificed if necessary to SAVE THE SHIP. ..."There are only 12 like her in the fleet..." The Enterprise was as much a character as any of the other players in the original Trek.
Seeing the original ship 'die' in the The Search For Spock has significant resonance. '...on this, the FINAL voyage of the Starship Enterprise..." I still get goosebumps thinking of that voice over from the commercial.
Later series, that importance was downplayed. The movies showed us that the ships could be replaced easily.
In StO it's become shoot, blow-up, repeat.
I guess what I'm trying to say is new things won't be that bad. You will always have your favourites and a ship that you'll always call 'home'. The idea that your original Enterprise won't be as competitive as a T6 is a misnomer. In the hands of a skilled captain, anything is possible.
I might not be so critical except for a few things which are (PERSONAL) annoyances:
1. 4-nacelles. I totally and completely LOATHE 4-nacelle starships.
2. Jutting Angles. I prefer smooth contours on my Starships. Not 45 and 90 degree angles. My IRL Profession is Civil Engineering. Right angles confuse and infuriate me!
3. Saucer appears to be way too slim for the stardrive section that follows it.
I won't knock anyone that finds the design appealing. To each their own. But I find it horrendous.
i guess im in the boat with this guy . as i have said i havent seen where they said they were upgrading our old ships except the bug but i do not like the way these ships look.
im not here playing a sci fi mmo im playing a trek mmo i dont want made up ships i wanta proper Klingon battle cruiser. and i know im in the minortity here but i didnt like the mogh either. i bought it tried it didnt like it . got a fleet module bought fleet version and still didnt like it . went back to my Tork. dyson destroyer got it tried it didnt like it. sci toon went back to the kamarang. the gimmics just are not working for myself and like this guy says to each their own but they wont get my money if i cant fly the ship hull i like. so id be ok to pay the price of the silly new ship if i could skin it the way i want. im not going to pay for gimmics and non canon ship designs again. the Mogh was only attemp at it and didnt like it .
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
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It's Star Trek Online.
It's not ENT Online.
It's not TOS Online.
It's not TNG Online.
It's not DS9 Online.
It's not VOY Online.
It's now 2410...was 2409.
This has never been a hidden fact...
...then you would have quit playing long ago.
Don't turn this into a religion. The difference between "canon" ships and what we're getting now is the name on the design credit (which you don't care about) and in just what entertainment format you're getting it. Sure, flying something from a show you've always watched as a kid means something but that thing is just the abitrary product of a studio's design department that has the very same role in the universe as what we're getting now. If you appreciate star trek fully you'll see that its not the model that matters but the position that model puts you in. This game could have absolutely NOTHING from the shows and yet flying a federation starship would in itself mean the same thing (just as the Galaxy class itself didn't make the TNG cast inherantly inferior to the original. Though the look varied they were still in a very similar situation which is what mattered.)
Dump the iconography. It's not what's important (it's nice but it shouldn't ever be made the end-all.)
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No i haven't......thats what you'd call a strawman argument.
As things stand, we simply dont know what the upgrade from T5 to T6 will look like.
I sincerely hope they get it right, but can't count on that because its not always been the case.
Do point out to me the post where you believe I've already made my mind up.
So far Cryptic has not made entirely butt-ugly ships. Other than the Risian Cruiser.
Having said that the profile view of the vesta sucks, but in practice she's a beautiful design. The same goes for the Garumba.
I'll wait until I see the final ship before I make up my mind.
And yes, I'll likely drop cash to buy them all.
How would I know?
All I do know is that there are 7-10 tier 6 ships coming and we've only seen 3. Could any of the un-seen T6 ships be canon ships? Yes, No, Maybe, I don't know?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Just because you think it looks horrible, that doesn't mean every other single player thinks the same way.
You like what you like. There's nothing wrong with that.
Folks need to keep in mind that just because they like or dislike the look of something, that they're just speaking for themselves...
Well, clearly not to you.........but it is to some.
No canon ships competitive at endgame is a huge mistake.
Because while you may be happy to fly the horrific looking Fed ship from that video, it doesn't say Star Trek to me (and i suspect, others).
We've been told there will be a path to upgrade.
How that path is put together is the key.
That will be a huge test.
I did not mean you. I was using the general 'you'.
Example: The Government says it's going to give me 1Million dollars but I am skeptical.
In the above sentence the I is skeptical...doesnt believe it's going to happen....that's already drawn a conclusion.
The logical response to the T6 thing is to wait until you have all the facts and then draw a conclusion.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I understand. And as you are pointing out, it is all quite simple. 2410, 2409... does not matter as long as it looks and feels like trek. Taking the viability of canon ships out of the game and effectively condemning them to some RPG costume to wear off hours would definitely destroy any of that look and feel STO has for me. As I play STO because it tries to be TREK, and not because I wanna play some generic space shooter, this would take away much joy out of the game for me... too much.
Ok, what is important to Star Trek? What else but the iconography does STO have to make it a Star Trek game?^^ STO is (according to DStahl's own words) first and foremost a space combat simulation. Nothing wrong with that. Trek lives off the character interaction and the moral and ethic dilemmas and paraphrases encountered by the crew. STO does not and cannot transport that.
So again: What it is about?^^
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Completely agree.
It's growing on me in much the same way the Prometheus did.
and as a TOS fan it took me a long time to accept the Galaxy
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
At this point, I am still on the "going to buy the DR legacy pack" side of the fence. I skipped the LoR pack, and ended up kinda regretting it considering how much I bought out of it at full price. If it's the same 33%+ discount this time, basically I will end up over time spending enough to make the 33% I don't end up buying free anyway.
Sorry khan, but thats BS.
Or, if its not, it was the least well worded thing Ive ever seen you type of these fora.
Argh, no it doesnt.
The government says it will give me a lot of cash.
I'm skeptical about that DOES NOT EQUAL A CONCLUSION.
It literally means that i dont accept facts without evidence.
Which is what being skeptical actually is.
See my post above.
Question: Do you play STO because you want a good space combat simulation or because you simply enjoy (almost) everything Trek?
For me it is the latter. Perhaps that helps everyone to see why the game would loose so much of its appeal to me, if canon designs would really be condemned to off-duty RPG costumes, but not be viable endgame ships anymore.
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Looks like an escort to me, but the angle makes it difficult to discern.
Hopefully they'll get all of the stuff mentioned here sans the "specialist seat". But even from the sounds of that whole set of powers the specialist gets, that set of powers would be a necessity in PvP as every BO power available makes a big impact.
I think it's the escort they showed the STLV, only from the back this time.
Most of what was given to us in information about Tier 6 has me hopeful for some fun in the next year to come of the games life.
Okay the three ships teased sofar. The Klingon looks nice, wont fly her since I don't play Klingon. The Warbird is beautiful, you did a wonderful job on her.
The Fed ship... okay please understand I like the looks of the ship. Is she Federation... no. I feel that she looks more like something crossed over from Star Gate or Babylon 5. I know you want to take ship designs for the game and make them your own. Make them fit in with the story and game you are making. Though I would please stress that making ships follow suit with what is seen in Federation ship design and linage.
People liking or not We know the base direction federation starships continue to go the example being the Enterprise J. Hundreds of years in the future but her appearance is still in line with federation ship concepts. The only shown ship to really deviate from that is the federation Time ship. But that one being so far in the future that traveling was no longer really done at warp, so the ships reflected that.
Again I am not saying the new fed ship your are showing is horrible, or ugly or anything of the like. I just feel she does not look like something the Federation would build on their own. Now maybe if it was in league with another species or coalition of others than possible it could pass by without the player base going up in arms more so. She does look like something the feds, roms, and kdf would come up with after a lot of fighting over it.
So, tell me, what do you interpret "I are not prone to jumping to conclusions" to mean?
Just kidding.... we won't know until we know. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses', if a bit more bleak than most.
I don't care about Star Trek as much as I care about flying a ship that I enjoy looking at, and having my own, custom crew.
That said, I kind of like the design of said T6 Cruiser.
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Consider SB24 for a moment, eh? Just the destroy 20 Negh'Var angle. 2500+ crew per Negh'Var...that's 50,000+ folks just there that you're slaughtering. There's the crew from the 50 ships you blow up before you get to those 20. And how many times have folks run SB24?
Yeah, it's not whether I'm flying a T5 Connie or not that kills the Star Trek feel for me...it's the wholesale rampant slaughter that kills the Star Trek feel for me.
+1 here.
I like the ship. It reminds me of the Orion ships from Star Fleet Battles. Probably not without reason.
Agree with you 100%.
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In this case we play STO for two completely different reasons. Nothing wrong with that. Cryptic knows its different kinds of players, and that they will gain people like you with something like T6 ships, but lose people like me (IF canon ships really become "kind of obsolete").
Question is, if it is going to be a good or a bad direction for the game in the long run.
Fact is: There are other generic space f2p MMOs out there, and such a development might decrease STO's selling point.
STOWiki admin.
Here are my initial thoughts.
Originally at the first showing of the Fed T6 ship, I hadn't liked the design but you naughty kids, you... you had shown it a the worst possible angles. Now I see it as an big sleek Stargazer, and I am in love with the appearance.
I am worried about a couple things though. I own quite a few T5 ships, and enjoy swapping between them at will. This new system for upgrading sounds overly complex with me having to level each ship up to get the most out of it's performance. While I Don't look forward to this so long as the rewards are contingent with the work, I will be happy to do it.
What concerns me is that you are introducing what I though you would with the concept of hybrid slots, something we had already glimpsed at when we had officers like Tuvok and Worf under our temporary command, and they could hit super attack patterns or beam and torpedo spreads. These were little hidden glimpses of things to come.
I would urge you to instead of locking those away from the T5 ships, instead make those [Redacted] Officer seatings locked to the Captain(player) as they grow in ability toward sixty so does they're [Redacted] Officer grow toward Commander level abilites.
Additionally I think it is time every group got a new ability, a Captain level ability, mirroring some of the player only abilites seen so far. This SHOULD be T6 ship only, with (1)One slot chosen by the player unlocked for a T5 ship as an upgrade.
T5 Captain Abilties in this perfect world of mine would include
Tactical Space
Alpha Shift (Lesser version of Attack Pattern Alpha)
Picard Maneuver (2 Min cooldown Warp Shadow Teleport, with a buff to damage)
Science Space
Photonic Shadows (Lesser Photonic Fleet)
Lesser Subnucleonic Beam
Engineer Space
Cannae Do Et! (Lesser Miracle Worker)
Lesser EPS Power Transfer
all tied to ship.
T6 [Redacted] Officer abilites would be things like
Tactical
Alpha Omega Maneuver (Combined Alpha and Omega manuever (T1 of each))
The Picard Maneuver
Engineering
Diisengage Warp Core Safety Limits
Eject Antimatter Stream
Harmonic Resonance
Area Denial Mines (DS9 Respawning Mines)
Science
Dectect/Exploit Instability
Exploit Space/Time anomaly
Nanite Assimilated Sensors (Enemy ships target each other for short period)
So there you go, I voiced concerns, (I fear that T5 ships are going to not be upgraded to compete with the new T6 ships in ways that will be viable), I gave constructive feedback on ways I feel could help, and hopefully didn't come accross as either whining or pissy.
Also the new ships all so far look awesome
The Star Trek feel was never loss because we never have it. Star Trek Online never respected the Star Trek sp
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For the original Trek, it was about the ship. Everything else could and would be sacrificed if necessary to SAVE THE SHIP. ..."There are only 12 like her in the fleet..." The Enterprise was as much a character as any of the other players in the original Trek.
Seeing the original ship 'die' in the The Search For Spock has significant resonance. '...on this, the FINAL voyage of the Starship Enterprise..." I still get goosebumps thinking of that voice over from the commercial.
Later series, that importance was downplayed. The movies showed us that the ships could be replaced easily.
In StO it's become shoot, blow-up, repeat.
I guess what I'm trying to say is new things won't be that bad. You will always have your favourites and a ship that you'll always call 'home'. The idea that your original Enterprise won't be as competitive as a T6 is a misnomer. In the hands of a skilled captain, anything is possible.
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i guess im in the boat with this guy . as i have said i havent seen where they said they were upgrading our old ships except the bug but i do not like the way these ships look.
im not here playing a sci fi mmo im playing a trek mmo i dont want made up ships i wanta proper Klingon battle cruiser. and i know im in the minortity here but i didnt like the mogh either. i bought it tried it didnt like it . got a fleet module bought fleet version and still didnt like it . went back to my Tork. dyson destroyer got it tried it didnt like it. sci toon went back to the kamarang. the gimmics just are not working for myself and like this guy says to each their own but they wont get my money if i cant fly the ship hull i like. so id be ok to pay the price of the silly new ship if i could skin it the way i want. im not going to pay for gimmics and non canon ship designs again. the Mogh was only attemp at it and didnt like it .
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