Right, but that also holds true for what everyone's being paranoid about. If you're gonna think one thing might not be true, why not the rest of it? Hell, by the logic of not believing about what they say, why should we believe that we're getting an expansion at all, let alone tier 6 ships?
Cherry picking isn't a logical approach.
Simple. Pessimism is a good philosophy, you can only ever be pleasantly surprised or right.
So some new traits and ship abilities that advance as you level up - sounds quite good actually.
It'll make your ship feel like it's properly part of your character as it "levels" with you to Lvl 60.
The extra console slot and increased hull etc was expected really, but as a result I want to see some nice new "Nightmare" level enemies to fight against where the extra power really means the difference between winning and being turned into space-dust. Poor old Borg in the STF's aren't gonna know what's hit them!
That Romulan ship just looks like every other Romulan one - yawn...
The Fed ship is...odd looking to say the least. I'm hoping they are at least have high levels of customization and don't come with some hideous hull paint-job like the Dyson ships did.
No, lol, I was thinking that. The new ships sound very cool but if upgraded ships can't at least get the Ship Mastery ability they will be left in the dust. Cool features on the new ships though.
Possibly. More likely they will be 'just enough' better than you will consider buying them.
T6 Ships
T6 Ship have Traits: Great idea, like this alot. The more you use a ship, the better you become.
Hybrid BOFF seating: wtfomg never saw this coming, and I like.
[redacted] BOFF seating: Very likely. It would not take an intelligence analyst to come up with that.
Scaling Hull: Nice idea, although having an issue in just how your hull gets better over time...
Ships have XP now: This is a great idea.
+1 console: Yup, now I have that spot I always needed for...
At this point it look like "Captain Gekko Strikes again..." in that from what I read in the Blog today, while yes, I'm sure T5 shps will be usable in new and existing PvE content (Hell, I've had Guildmates do well enough in Tier 2 starships now with Mk XII weapons and their Level 50 abilities that said ships can get all the optionals and complete Elite Borg STFs); but the T5 ships that AREN'T in someway upgradeable to use the (new with Delta Rising) 'Starship Mastery' (and if I'm mis-ready and ALL ships get 'Starship Mastery' as the player levels past 50 then I apologize) WILL be obsolete, and not a good choice for any Level 60 player to fly.
Again, if I'm reading the Blog right; I DON'T feel 'covered' (per the Dev comments at the STLV 2014 panel) with regard to T5 ships atm.
So yeah, IMO with all the info currently available - Captain Geko strikes again in NOT UNDERSTANDING the people who play at max level in STO and their attachment to certain cannon 'hero' (ie Star Trek series 'hero' ship classes) ships and I really think that if their isn't a way to fully upgrade existing T5 ships (and Fleet ships) to FULL T6 status (including the special Boff slot) then Delta Rising will be a utter failure profit wise as Cryptic/PWE will see T5 CStore ship sales drop to a fraction of what they are currently for new players coming into the game - and the Fleet Starbase system will be abandoned by new Fleets as I'm sure existing T5 fleets will sell access to new player who what the new T6 Fleet ships (if they show up.)
Yes, I realize all the info isn't out - and if Cryptic proves me wrong as upcoming info is released, I'll apologize and eat my words, but I honestly don't think that will happen and many beloved T5 (and Fleet ships) will be obsolete with no available path to T6. There was a REASON DStahl felt T6 was a bad idea; and I'm sorry, but given many of the design decisions put forth by Captain Gelo in S8 and 8.5; I don't see T6 ships as a really positive step UNLESS ALL (read 100%) of T5 ships have an upgrade path to T6 in game (which can be monetized to a point too - I'm not saying it should be 100% free as Cryptic/PWE need an ROI.)
Like I said, if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow and apologize; but given the current view Cryptic has of the STO playerbase via it's lead designer Al "Captain Geko" Rivera, I doubt I'll be doing that.
respectively - Okay, I'll eat some crow as overall, it seems like the C-Store and Fleet ships across the board are covered.
The above said, I DO think the most recently released ships like the Odyssey Class, Avenger Class, the Dyson Sphere Science , the KDF Bortas and Mogh Class ships SHOULD be able to become FULL T6 ships with a ship trait, special Boff seat, etc. Reason: Honestly IN THE GAME LORE these are all the 'latest tech ships' from the various star nations, just released late 2409 - early 2410.
I mean: COME ON - THERE'S NO WAY THE NEW 1701-F ODYSSEY CLASS 'ENTERPRISE'WOULD NOT BE A FULL T6 SHIP WITH ALL THAT ENTAILS.
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So not all of the T6 ships will have these special bridge officer seats. Got it.
...
Except that they do.
My guess is that this will be the major sticking point between "true" T6 and "upgraded" T6. Meaning, all ships will have access to the bare bones stuff (more hit points, extra console slot, etc.) but not this new BOFF... by "the letter of the law" of the game (and the devs), all ships (new or upgraded) will be considered T6 on paper.
I do agree with the rest of your post, however... reading between the lines isn't helping the unrest. Good info, but still too many questions. And this could be solved so easily. :cool:
My guess is that this will be the major sticking point between "true" T6 and "upgraded" T6. Meaning, all ships will have access to the bare bones stuff (more hit points, extra console slot, etc.) but not this new BOFF.
I also like how the major hot button issue is the extremely obvious point of contention in regards to T5/T5.5 ships and their competitive nature with T6 ships.
But PWE/Cryptic is still really not willing to cool off that rhetoric and is still willing to shoot themselves in the foot by having their ship sales suffer as people are afraid of whether or not they'll be obsolete.
That whole "We will take care of you." thing was a nice gesture, but I'm not going to insult your company's intelligence by suggesting you simply aren't aware of the fact the most important dev blogs to publish first are those that address the immediate concerns of the playerbase.
Otherwise you're intentionally pissing off the playerbase just because you can.
I'm beginning to wonder are they basically now holding back on that info as they know it will not be well received and induce a mass meltdown across the playerbase? I don't know if that will really achieve anything. IF they are going to basically make all existing ships very outdated compared to the awesome T6 ships, they might as well just get it out the way in the hopes the anger it will generate will cool by October.
Okay, here's the difference. And it's an important one. They do things players don't like when they plan on doing those things. But when they don't seem like they're planning on doing things we don't like, we get reassurance, rather than them eventually changing their minds.
If they never intended to balance ship power, they would have never claimed to want to do that in the first place.
The trait revamp? They already planned on doing that, and they never intended to budge no matter what we said. But they're actively trying to tell us 'it'll be okay' with this. Highly contrasting situations.
for a long time forum user you are extremely naive. or were you not around when we were reassured that the game was NOT going FTP?
i havent seen anything anyplace yet where they actually said they were going to upgrade any ship other than the Bug. and that just because they are making a boat load of money on it from people allot of people who never ever come to the forums. i talk in game to people all the time that dont have a clue about any of this . they simply dont read
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Okay, what should I say about this? It's good information, but just like Edith Keeler's pacifism it's at the wrong time. I (and I guess a lot of other people) want to know how we will get T6 ships and what the differences between true T6 ships and the "equivalent" upgraded ones will be. And if T6 ships will be released slowly, one after the other like fleet ships or all at once. (Seriously, I think some C-Store ships still lack a fleet version and now you want to introduce a new system where we have to level our ships so it will actually be lost progress if we get our ships late?) Sorry, that raises far more questions than it answers. And the continued silence on the important issues makes me only more nervous.
for a long time forum user you are extremely naive. or were you not around when we were reassured that the game was NOT going FTP?
i havent seen anything anyplace yet where they actually said they were going to upgrade any ship other than the Bug. and that just because they are making a boat load of money on it from people allot of people who never ever come to the forums. i talk in game to people all the time that dont have a clue about any of this . they simply dont read
Can you actually put up an argument instead of ad hominems? I'm more than willing to change my mind if sufficient evidence is presented to me.
I'm not operating on 'hope' with my posts. I'm just trying to take the most rational position here. If I have enough reason to change my position, I will.
for a long time forum user you are extremely naive. or were you not around when we were reassured that the game was NOT going FTP?
I think I have figured orangeitis out. Every single post of him I read is pro-Cryptic, he never criticizes anything regardless of evidence and constantly disagrees with others who do BUT he has an anti-Tovan Khev signature. The only reasonable explanation is that it's parody.
Now I'm really curious how they want to sell us a T5 ship on Thursday.:D
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Tier 6 ships kinda sound awesome, I have to admit.
Too bad the Tier 6 Federation Cruiser looks like an abomination. Utterly horrible ship design. Not at all aesthetically pleasing.
Even if I'm blowing up against every ship I encounter by doing so, I'll stick to Tier 5. At least some of them actually look like Federation Starships and not flying kitchen utensils.
Might be a little harsh, but I calls it like I sees it.
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I think I have figured orangeitis out. Every single post of him I read is pro-Cryptic, he never criticizes anything regardless of evidence and constantly disagrees with others who do BUT he has an anti-Tovan Khev signature. The only reasonable explanation is that it's parody.
Now I'm really curious how they want to sell us a T5 ship on Thursday.:D
That's easy: they will reveal just enough about the upgrade path tomorrow to make it seem OK.
I'm beginning to wonder are they basically now holding back on that info as they know it will not be well received and induce a mass meltdown across the playerbase? I don't know if that will really achieve anything. IF they are going to basically make all existing ships very outdated compared to the awesome T6 ships, they might as well just get it out the way in the hopes the anger it will generate will cool by October.
because they will do a lifetime sub sale soon and if they tell us the truth it will hurt sales
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
I think I have figured orangeitis out. Every single post of him I read is pro-Cryptic, he never criticizes anything regardless of evidence and constantly disagrees with others who do BUT he has an anti-Tovan Khev signature. The only reasonable explanation is that it's parody.
Now I'm really curious how they want to sell us a T5 ship on Thursday.:D
But.. what's the evidence here? Oh yeah, we don't have it. It's mostly speculation... and a few tiny bits that don't tell us much.
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Simple. Pessimism is a good philosophy, you can only ever be pleasantly surprised or right.
It'll make your ship feel like it's properly part of your character as it "levels" with you to Lvl 60.
The extra console slot and increased hull etc was expected really, but as a result I want to see some nice new "Nightmare" level enemies to fight against where the extra power really means the difference between winning and being turned into space-dust. Poor old Borg in the STF's aren't gonna know what's hit them!
That Romulan ship just looks like every other Romulan one - yawn...
The Fed ship is...odd looking to say the least. I'm hoping they are at least have high levels of customization and don't come with some hideous hull paint-job like the Dyson ships did.
Say, if I am already 60, and then I get a brand new Tier 6 ship. Do I have to play XP content again to level the ship up?
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Possibly. More likely they will be 'just enough' better than you will consider buying them.
T6 Ships
T6 Ship have Traits: Great idea, like this alot. The more you use a ship, the better you become.
Hybrid BOFF seating: wtfomg never saw this coming, and I like.
[redacted] BOFF seating: Very likely. It would not take an intelligence analyst to come up with that.
Scaling Hull: Nice idea, although having an issue in just how your hull gets better over time...
Ships have XP now: This is a great idea.
+1 console: Yup, now I have that spot I always needed for...
Seems so.
"A lie can travel the world, while the truth is putting on it's shoes."
We don't need reassurances. We need details. We need specifics, not hype.
Not necessarily. And one's idea of "bad" isn't necessarily another's idea of "bad".
Pessimism can only go so far before it turns irrational.
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You must tell a lie over and over, while the truth needs only be spoke once.
Evidence: Fox News.
*drops mike*
Again, if I'm reading the Blog right; I DON'T feel 'covered' (per the Dev comments at the STLV 2014 panel) with regard to T5 ships atm.
So yeah, IMO with all the info currently available - Captain Geko strikes again in NOT UNDERSTANDING the people who play at max level in STO and their attachment to certain cannon 'hero' (ie Star Trek series 'hero' ship classes) ships and I really think that if their isn't a way to fully upgrade existing T5 ships (and Fleet ships) to FULL T6 status (including the special Boff slot) then Delta Rising will be a utter failure profit wise as Cryptic/PWE will see T5 CStore ship sales drop to a fraction of what they are currently for new players coming into the game - and the Fleet Starbase system will be abandoned by new Fleets as I'm sure existing T5 fleets will sell access to new player who what the new T6 Fleet ships (if they show up.)
Yes, I realize all the info isn't out - and if Cryptic proves me wrong as upcoming info is released, I'll apologize and eat my words, but I honestly don't think that will happen and many beloved T5 (and Fleet ships) will be obsolete with no available path to T6. There was a REASON DStahl felt T6 was a bad idea; and I'm sorry, but given many of the design decisions put forth by Captain Gelo in S8 and 8.5; I don't see T6 ships as a really positive step UNLESS ALL (read 100%) of T5 ships have an upgrade path to T6 in game (which can be monetized to a point too - I'm not saying it should be 100% free as Cryptic/PWE need an ROI.)
Like I said, if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow and apologize; but given the current view Cryptic has of the STO playerbase via it's lead designer Al "Captain Geko" Rivera, I doubt I'll be doing that.
Time will tell.
Edited to add:
After reading the T5 upgrade blog and list:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133-tier-5-starship-upgrades
and
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002163
respectively - Okay, I'll eat some crow as overall, it seems like the C-Store and Fleet ships across the board are covered.
The above said, I DO think the most recently released ships like the Odyssey Class, Avenger Class, the Dyson Sphere Science , the KDF Bortas and Mogh Class ships SHOULD be able to become FULL T6 ships with a ship trait, special Boff seat, etc. Reason: Honestly IN THE GAME LORE these are all the 'latest tech ships' from the various star nations, just released late 2409 - early 2410.
I mean: COME ON - THERE'S NO WAY THE NEW 1701-F ODYSSEY CLASS 'ENTERPRISE'WOULD NOT BE A FULL T6 SHIP WITH ALL THAT ENTAILS.
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Yeah exactly. Still waiting for that apology...
Pick that mic back up.
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Lol, he's insulted the PvE folks far worse than the PvP folks...it's kind of trippy listening to some of the things he's said about the playerbase.
My guess is that this will be the major sticking point between "true" T6 and "upgraded" T6. Meaning, all ships will have access to the bare bones stuff (more hit points, extra console slot, etc.) but not this new BOFF... by "the letter of the law" of the game (and the devs), all ships (new or upgraded) will be considered T6 on paper.
I do agree with the rest of your post, however... reading between the lines isn't helping the unrest. Good info, but still too many questions. And this could be solved so easily. :cool:
THEY ALREADY SAID THAT . NEW BOFF JUST T6 SHIPS
I'm beginning to wonder are they basically now holding back on that info as they know it will not be well received and induce a mass meltdown across the playerbase? I don't know if that will really achieve anything. IF they are going to basically make all existing ships very outdated compared to the awesome T6 ships, they might as well just get it out the way in the hopes the anger it will generate will cool by October.
for a long time forum user you are extremely naive. or were you not around when we were reassured that the game was NOT going FTP?
i havent seen anything anyplace yet where they actually said they were going to upgrade any ship other than the Bug. and that just because they are making a boat load of money on it from people allot of people who never ever come to the forums. i talk in game to people all the time that dont have a clue about any of this . they simply dont read
Likewise.
Orangeitis - I wish I had your hope, but I never had much to start with, and the faint glimmer flickers and fades with every new detail released.
So totally this.
I'm not operating on 'hope' with my posts. I'm just trying to take the most rational position here. If I have enough reason to change my position, I will.
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Which, to some players, is how it's coming off at the moment.
I think I have figured orangeitis out. Every single post of him I read is pro-Cryptic, he never criticizes anything regardless of evidence and constantly disagrees with others who do BUT he has an anti-Tovan Khev signature. The only reasonable explanation is that it's parody.
Now I'm really curious how they want to sell us a T5 ship on Thursday.:D
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Too bad the Tier 6 Federation Cruiser looks like an abomination. Utterly horrible ship design. Not at all aesthetically pleasing.
Even if I'm blowing up against every ship I encounter by doing so, I'll stick to Tier 5. At least some of them actually look like Federation Starships and not flying kitchen utensils.
Might be a little harsh, but I calls it like I sees it.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
That's easy: they will reveal just enough about the upgrade path tomorrow to make it seem OK.
because they will do a lifetime sub sale soon and if they tell us the truth it will hurt sales
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