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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Im going to wait to read the Dev blogs before i pass any sort of judgement about this...

    I agree some of the choices they have made of late ate W*F moments BUT! after seeing how they added stuff back in to the game such as the Doff UI FIlters I am not going to rage as they listen albeit mostly sometimes they seem to have some grasp of what the game needs...

    As for the concept art i have seen meh tbh If!! these reflect the way they are going with ships then not sure how i feel tbh but that said I didnt like the Avenger or Oddy when they first came out but now i own both and love them both sooooo...

    I just NEEEEEED! them to HURRY up and get them Dev Blogs out ASAP! :-p
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  • kekvinkekvin Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jam3s1701 wrote: »

    I just NEEEEEED! them to HURRY up and get them Dev Blogs out ASAP! :-p


    Dnt us all.. Im really excited to see whats planned
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The Romulan one looks suspiciously like some of the early concept art for the Dhelan and Dhael warbirds ... And all the other images just look like Concept Art realistically ...

    And you know, because, No game studio EVER has shown stuff at a convention, and then not used those things in game ...

    Let me make Romulans cry ... I believe this might have been one of the early designs for the Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer, which is supposed to be based on the Dhael/Dhelan ...
    http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc411/lrg1602/posts/star_trek_online_hakeev_s_ship_conc_zps82df0f92.jpg

    Now that is what it SHOULD have looked like!
    Oh, hoho hohhhhh, Oh,, hoho, hohhhhh
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  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    I just NEEEEEED! them to HURRY up and get them Dev Blogs out ASAP! :-p

    I'd have though with things that have happened over the past year or so. They'd have figured on releasing the first blog before they blurted out it over the airwaves, what they we're planning on doing. It might have prevented at least some of the rage that's going on.

    The way I see they'll either do a really good job of it or completely mess it up and given past experience, including personal experience I'd guess it's going to go pear shaped.

    I had plans which involved purchasing a number of items from the C store over the next few weeks/months but until they step up to plate and explain exactly what we're going gain from this and what we're going to lose and believe me we're going to lose something. And can people can divert their eyes from the new items (that will probably end up either bugged or nerf'd) they can make an informed decision on whether the trade off is worth it. I'll be holding off making any form of purchase with regards to cryptic/PWE.

    But with almost everything that's happened over the past several months. I'm coming to the conclusion that cryptic is harming the very game most of us love, but seem to be oblivious to it.
    I'm not trying to stir the pot. But we need information, we need it fast and it needs to be on the mark and on the level.
    Oh, it's not broken? We can soon fix that!

  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    crusty8mac wrote: »
    If my T5 c-store ships become obsolete, that will be game over for me.

    For it to remain competitive, you will have to at least upgrade it (which likely will be money). However, it will NOT be the same as a true Tier 6 ship as it will lack the special powers and abilities, etc ... from what Geko was saying.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    This game is DPS-centric, isn't it?

    Well, I tried.

    And that's the problem.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sqwished wrote: »
    I'd have though with things that have happened over the past year or so. They'd have figured on releasing the first blog before they blurted out it over the airwaves, what they we're planning on doing. It might have prevented at least some of the rage that's going on.

    The way I see they'll either do a really good job of it or completely mess it up and given past experience, including personal experience I'd guess it's going to go pear shaped.

    I had plans which involved purchasing a number of items from the C store over the next few weeks/months but until they step up to plate and explain exactly what we're going gain from this and what we're going to lose and believe me we're going to lose something. And can people can divert their eyes from the new items (that will probably end up either bugged or nerf'd) they can make an informed decision on whether the trade off is worth it. I'll be holding off making any form of purchase with regards to cryptic/PWE.

    But with almost everything that's happened over the past several months. I'm coming to the conclusion that cryptic is harming the very game most of us love, but seem to be oblivious to it.
    I'm not trying to stir the pot. But we need information, we need it fast and it needs to be on the mark and on the level.


    How long have you been playing? I've been playing since beta and there is NO preventing player rage. As sure as the sky is blue it is a certainty that players will rage. With every announcement players WILL rage... We all knew that the con would most likely be the time and place for them to announce the next expansion, whenever one came up. It's how they announced the Dyson sphere and how they announced Legacy of Romulus.

    Also, if they stay true to form we'll start seeing new devblogs outlining the expansion in a few weeks, if not sooner. And they will most likely explain everything we need to know. After the last two cons it was a steady steam of devblogs explaining everything down to costume creation, so be patient.
  • namreefnamreef Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gamer940 wrote: »
    It will still be useful, and it won't be "obsolete". The current "optimal" stuff just won't be "optimal" any more. Not optimal is not the same thing as obsolete.

    ^^^^^This...
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sqwished wrote: »
    I'd have though with things that have happened over the past year or so. They'd have figured on releasing the first blog before they blurted out it over the airwaves, what they we're planning on doing. It might have prevented at least some of the rage that's going on.
    I agree with you completely. I cannot tell you how many times I have said it but Cryptic is always Reactive rather then Proactive. Cryptic needs to start being Proactive when dealing with its fan-base.

    If Cryptic knew they were making this announcement at the Con then someone should have been here to post the first Dev Blog giving us a FAQ 1 minute after the panel ended. It is just that simple.

    There is no reason to leave us all hanging for information over the weekend. I appreciate what Devs have shown up to give us whatever hints they can over the weekend but leaving people in the dark and waiting for a future Blog does nothing but spread animosity.

    A certain percentage of the fan-base is going to bytch about it no matter what the announcement, but facts are better then silence. It is time to treat your community as if they matter to you.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    namreef wrote: »
    ^^^^^This...

    Seconded....
    My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    namreef wrote: »
    ^^^^^This...

    That comment and that entire line of thinking is great because it falls right in line with the wonderful spin Geko was rocking about how no ship will be left behind.

    But hey, guys, remember that other spin they were selling at the big reveal?

    Remember that stuff about how they want to infuse a lot more challenge into the content? Making things super duper harder?

    How's that jibe with T5 being slightly less but still "competitive" to T6?

    Like when they totally rock the new super duper NIGHTMARE mode, who's going to want to experience it in a Tier 5.LESS ship when they could get through the content in a Tier 6 ship?

    I don't know. It just seems like there's conflicting philosophies of design at work. Like the left hand and the right hand might be at cross purposes. Now, I'm not one to dwell on the past, BUT ... that is something Cryptic has had problems with in the past.

    But hey, whatevs! T5 will be fine. I'm sure. Totally. They got our back. Just like they did with trait revamps! And the Galaxy revamp. And ...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    And that's the problem.

    Not happy about this AT ALL. Fleet Ships and Flag ships should be top of the line. That's the whole reason most of us purchased them IN THE FIRST PLACE...
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2014
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wilv wrote: »
    Not happy about this AT ALL. Fleet Ships and Flag ships should be top of the line. That's the whole reason most of us purchased them IN THE FIRST PLACE...
    That is a loaded statement. Before there were Fleet and Flagships there were C-Store ships. They were supposed to be "top of the line". And then T5.5 showed up and pushed them out. We forget that there was quite a long period of time between the release of the first T5.5s and when Fleets were implemented and Fleet ships became available.

    The game is always going to be about the "next best thing;" whether that is from a Lobi Store, Fleet Store, Rep Store, or whatever.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Almost, some time after the Scimitar come out they also updated the Bortas and Odyssey console sets, they been other updates to them ... for example, the Odyssey saucer gained GW3 and its own worker bees, the Aquarius got a bit of a stealth update since it gained pahser beams.
    That is correct, but I would point out that the Scimitar was released in June of 2013 and the Oddy/Bort were released in Feb of 2012. So while there was an upgrade it took over 1 year. Who know what might happen 1-2 years after Delta Rising. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    But the point is, the Flagships werent forgotten ... they received upgrades.
    Yes, but they only received upgrades due to player pressure. At a point after DR there might be a system in place to buy these upgrades - possibly a Fleet Module update of some-sort. Just because it is not here at the Launch of DR does not mean it might never come.

    Plus we do not have enough information to know anything, as what Devs have talked about it have simply said to wait for upcoming Blogs. We have Zero real information. The new content could be easily playable with existing ships. Cryptic is not know for making "difficult" games. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Yes, but they only received upgrades due to player pressure. At a point after DR there might be a system in place to buy these upgrades - possibly a Fleet Module update of some-sort. Just because it is not here at the Launch of DR does not mean it might never come.

    There has been a great deal of pressure to not put in T6 ships and Mk XIII equipment at all. You see where this has gotten us. "When Cryptic gets around to it" isn't good enough for me anymore.
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Plus we do not have enough information to know anything, as what Devs have talked about it have simply said to wait for upcoming Blogs. We have Zero real information. The new content could be easily playable with existing ships. Cryptic is not know for making "difficult" games. :)

    Yes, they were known for making extremely customized experience, with player choice above everything else.

    Welp.
  • venkouvenkou Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Suggestion only...

    If you do not like what is being released, the best thing to do is to not play. Why invest time and money into something that makes you mad? While I would like "Star Trek: Online" to step away from the grinds, I have come to accept that the game will never have depth. Cryptic has a right to do whatever they desire. Instead of posting our feedback, the best solution would be to step away. If Cryptic cannot figure out what players want, the end result will be of their own creation.

    Other words, don't own Cryptic's mess. Regardless about what Cryptic may ask, the players are not responsible for the company's success or failure. Capitalism is a two way street.

    Unless people start voting with their wallet, Cryptic will continue to pump out awkward ideas.

    Cryptic has vocally shown they do not want our ideas. Its that simple.

    Sometimes you have to let people make mistakes.

    Let Cryptic quietly rise and fall without help.

    Its not our responsibility.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    Don't bother trying to convince people like cosmic. They blindly accept pretty much everything that Cryptic does and aggressively attack players who criticize no matter how reasonable, rational and polite the critique. I am not sure what motivates them and I don't really care to find out.

    As for Cryptic, this time their actions and words speak plainly to the facts. It is a fact that they said T6 were off the table and they go ahead and do this. I invite everyone to rationally review the events and comments of the last 2 years and the direction taken by the devs.

    1. LOR => Massive Power Creep ... Roms take over PvP and top out PvE ... further trivializing the already easy PvE
    2. Post LOR => Increasing frequency of lock boxes
    3. Season 8 => Dinos with Freakin' Lasers (TM) - infantile content
    4. Grind-a-versery and reneging on 2nd deflector for all ships
    5. More lock boxes including 3 of them in 1/2 year
    6. New crafting with massive grinds (including "fix" which increased the grind) and massive dilithium sinks with RNG mechanic (gambling with crafting results). New fisher price Doff GUI which practically everyone criticized ad nauseum.
    7. Massively OP gear that makes old gear instantly obsolete ... Miine RCS consoles, Spire Tac Consoles and now OP craftable science consoles
    8. X2 introducing T6 ships which make T5 obsolete and new MK XIV gear which makes gear from #7 obsolete requiring more grinds
    9. Devs disrespecting players - even the most polite and thoughtful - on the forum because they dare to criticize
    10. FTC thread which preemptively kills discussion. Watch this one blow up after dev blogs start coming online!

    I can go on but it is getting tiresome bringing facts and being rebutted with emotions, name calling and tantrums. Frankly, if people want to TRIBBLE away their money ON the SAME OLD end game ... well have at it.

    At least we tried to establish a discussion here!
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Thats my point.
    ...
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    Done and done. And I will make sure that all fleet mates and fellow players online are aware of all the facts too!
    venkou wrote: »
    Suggestion only...

    If you do not like what is being released, the best thing to do is to not play. Why invest time and money into something that makes you mad? While I would like "Star Trek: Online" to step away from the grinds, I have come to accept that the game will never have depth. Cryptic has a right to do whatever they desire. Instead of posting our feedback, the best solution would be is for us to step away. If Cryptic cannot figure out what players want, the end result will be of their own creation.

    Other words, don't own Cryptic's mess. Regardless about what Cryptic may ask, the players are not responsible for the company's success or failure. Capitalism is a two way street.

    Unless people start voting with their wallet, Cryptic will continue to pump out awkward ideas.

    Cryptic has vocally shown they do not want our ideas. Its that simple.

    Sometimes you have to let people make mistakes.

    Let Cryptic fail in silence.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • xanderkentxanderkent Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It's likely that the "gap" between tier 6 and tier 5.5 ships wont be that great. The special powers are likely to be as gimmicky and useless as most of the consoles that come with c-store ships and once the new tier 6 ships have beaten with the nerf bat it won't much matter anyway. It's also likely that we'll all get a single free ship requisition upon making overlord or admiral or whatever and there will some type of "booster" module available to upgrade the older ships which will probably something like +1 console +10 percent stats + some other TRIBBLE. Not our promised and as yet undelivered secondary deflectors I'm sure. We'll see I guess the one constant with STO is that it's nerf or nothing.
    If you set a man a fire he will be warm for a night. If you a man on fire he will be warm for the rest of his life.
  • goldenlion619goldenlion619 Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    venkou wrote: »
    Suggestion only...

    If you do not like what is being released, the best thing to do is to not play. Why invest time and money into something that makes you mad? While I would like "Star Trek: Online" to step away from the grinds, I have come to accept that the game will never have depth. Cryptic has a right to do whatever they desire. Instead of posting our feedback, the best solution would be is for us to step away. If Cryptic cannot figure out what players want, the end result will be of their own creation.

    Other words, don't own Cryptic's mess. Regardless about what Cryptic may ask, the players are not responsible for the company's success or failure. Capitalism is a two way street.

    Unless people start voting with their wallet, Cryptic will continue to pump out akward ideas.

    Let Cryptic fail.

    Keep your ideas to yourself.

    I still play STO because its Star Trek but I haven't bought a lifetime sub or any the Legacy of Roumulis packs because of my personal dissapointments in the game. Though I do watch and keep myself updated on future content and see if Cryptic adds in the things I wanted in the game. The game is fine for causual players but not for me as it stands.

    I get a better feeling of Star Trek from older Trek games then I do from STO, others might dissagree and thats fine. I want to feel the vastness of exploring space, I get that feeling in EvE because the map is huge and each star has a system to explore , I don't get that feeling in STO it feels smalll and confined.
  • venkouvenkou Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    Done and done. And I will make sure that all fleet mates and fellow players online are aware of all the facts too!
    *nods*

    Within hindsight, I think that is all we can do. Once players have enough information, they will ultimately and quietly make up their own minds. Regardless about what is posted on Twitter, Facebook, and the Forums, the end product will convince players to stay or leave.

    *speaking to everyone in general*

    Its not our responsibility for what happens to "Star Trek: Online".

    Don't own Cryptic's problems.

    Let them learn on their own.
    I still play STO because its Star Trek...
    "Star Trek", as a franchise, will outlive the likes of "Star Trek: Online". If you want to send a message to CBS, the best thing to do is to vote with your wallet. Sometimes you have to look past the logo.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    I still play STO because its Star Trek but I haven't bought a lifetime sub or any the Legacy of Roumulis packs because of my personal dissapointments in the game. Though I do watch and keep myself updated on future content and see if Cryptic adds in the things I wanted in the game. The game is fine for causual players but not for me as it stands.

    I get a better feeling of Star Trek from older Trek games then I do from STO, others might dissagree and thats fine. I want to feel the vastness of exploring space, I get that feeling in EvE because the map is huge and each star has a system to explore , I don't get that feeling in STO it feels smalll and confined.

    Another huge problem which is glossed over. Like I was saying before, I loved the experience I had firing classic TOS rifle from "Where No Man ...". I would love to be able to use TNG rifle(or something like it) and Cardassian compression rifle.

    Why can't I use all canon ships and have the Intrepid be useful at end game? Why does science need to be more Tac centric as devs said about X2? Why can't we have a pure science ships that rocks?

    Ask yourself how authentic the experience feels and is it worth supporting this path they have taken?
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    venkou wrote: »
    *nods*

    Within hindsight, I think that is all we can do. Once players have enough information, they will ultimately and quietly make up their own minds. Regardless about what is posted on Twitter, Facebook, and the Forums, the end product will convince players to stay or leave.

    *speaking to everyone in general*

    Its not our responsibility for what happens to "Star Trek: Online".

    Don't own Cryptic's problems.

    Let them learn on their own.

    I will agree on this one. It is up to each person to make up his or her mind. I just want to make this forum into:

    "...a crucible; in it, we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a purer product: the truth, for all time."
    - Picard
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
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