Cons:
- Ships at Tier 5 won't be useful anymore (canon ships at that).
- Gear for said ships & ground gear would be obsolete...
It will still be useful, and it won't be "obsolete". The current "optimal" stuff just won't be "optimal" any more. Not optimal is not the same thing as obsolete.
It will still be useful, and it won't be "obsolete". The current "optimal" stuff just won't be "optimal" any more. Not optimal is not the same thing as obsolete.
Ah ok, was kinda worried about that, as I don't see the point anymore in having my canon ships if come October they'd all no longer be worth anything in the game compared to the new shiny ships.
not sure how the talaxians will fit in as allies when they are under haakonian order protection. mind explaining that first?
the ocampa dont make sense as they are more interested in their own problems then they ever seemed with outsider concerns to themselves exception to the kazon.
The Devs kept making mention of the new maps being located in the 'south' region of the Delta Quadrant. I imagine that to more accurately mean the end of the quadrant nearer to the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
So - based on that, the Talaxians and Ocampa we'll be encountering may be remote offshoots and colonists, as seen in 'Homestead' and 'Cold Fire'.
captain spec tree? like champions online spec tree? and what happens to the trait system?
I didn't get the impression they were talking about replacing the Trait system.
not sure how the talaxians will fit in as allies when they are under haakonian order protection. mind explaining that first?
the ocampa dont make sense as they are more interested in their own problems then they ever seemed with outsider concerns to themselves exception to the kazon.
The Devs kept making mention of the new maps being located in the 'south' region of the Delta Quadrant. I imagine that to more accurately mean the end of the quadrant nearer to the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
So - based on that, the Talaxians and Ocampa we'll be encountering may be remote offshoots and colonists, as seen in 'Homestead' and 'Cold Fire'.
I didn't get the impression they were talking about replacing the Trait system.
Agreed. I think the captain specialization trees are like skill trees in a way that can be updated continuously even after hitting max level. that's how I see the feature working and it's how the devs described how it'll work.
Ah ok, was kinda worried about that, as I don't see the point anymore in having my canon ships if come October they'd all no longer be worth anything in the game compared to the new shiny ships.
I just see the ******** as the typical whining that comes with anything new.
The ones complaining about lack of challenge are building to reach obscene levels of damage that remove challenge, so they have no room to talk. Those same ones are claiming that "tier 6" ships will make their stuff "obsolete" simply because they won't be at the absolute pinnacle of damage any more and will have to waste more of their life recalculating which of the new stuff is "optimal".
From the priority one podcast with Geko, it would seem the spec tree is to do with our captains personal " abilities ", means more planing an mirco management of our own captain.
But truth be told, I'm looking forwards to the next expansion, with bated breath...
Pros:
- Delta Quadrant
- Level Cap Increase - New Story Episodes
- New ship Tier
Oooh. That's problematic, since they already said at the Q&A that new content is being held off on until after release. They promised plenty of repeatable content. But story content they teased is going to have to wait until after they have the time and resources.
The ones complaining about lack of challenge are building to reach obscene levels of damage that remove challenge, so they have no room to talk. Those same ones are claiming that "tier 6" ships will make their stuff "obsolete" simply because they won't be at the absolute pinnacle of damage any more and will have to waste more of their life recalculating which of the new stuff is "optimal".
I rather think of it as a legitimate concern as to whether or not the current gear will be deprecated. It happens in plenty enough other MMOs, with various developers providing upgrade routes (or not).
FWIW - at the panel, Cryptic was kind of squirrelly about addressing specifics about how much T5/Mk XII gear would be deprecated with the new expansion. They offered some vague reassurances that current T5 ships would not be wholly deprecated with the launch of T6 ships, particularly for lockbox/Lobi ships.
We can perhaps take that to mean that there may be some measure of upgrade capacity, or replacements. For now, the issue's kind of moot without specifics.
Romulan ship looks like an armored Valdore. I know it's concept art, but it's lacking the Romulan smoothness and curviness of canonical Romulan designs. (I.E. its too blocky).
The Klingon Raptor doesn't look like a Raptor at all. It looks like a Mogh Refit or a modernized Vor'cha, than a Raptor.
The Federation Ship - a flying shovel. :P
Seriously, it doesn't feel like a Federation starship at all. Or at least a Modern one. It gives me the feeling like it's from the 40th Century Starfleet than the 25th. Not even the Enterprise J was so futuristic.
Shovel? I thought it was more of a pizza cutter, now with extra greebles.
I disagree. I think the cruiser looks fine, but that's only my opinion. You may disagree with that, and that's good too.
And some people don't have any taste. That "Federation" vessel doesn't look like anything that Starfleet would design. The Dyson ships were bad enough. Now it's going from bad to worse. If that's the kind of garbage they expect the Federation players to use, then I DEMAND for Ship Costumes to be made available again, so that players can customize the appearance of their T6 ship to look like whatever ship they want (within reason). Because that T6 Fed ship is FUGLY compared to the Romulan and Klingon ships.
Heh, a Warship Voyager (Endgame Voyager) would actually make me start using my fed again, and buy the ship.
This will never happen, as that ship was a misinterpreted representation of Voyager by a race that, technically, hasn't discovered the schematics by this point in time. If that ship and the Dauntless get added in as Federation ships, I'm done. As neither ship is from Starfleet.
Question is - are they going to leave crafting in the sorry state it's in currently, or expand it to craft more 'other' stuff (such as commodities and consumables - with rarer items on critical successes)?
The crafting system has a lot of promise... but right now is barely a skeleton of what it could be with even a LITTLE work.
Expand what can be created; make what is created viable both in play and market (items in the crafting trees for all levels that can only be gained through crafting!)
The ability to choose mods on items crafted.
Using lower tier items to craft higher tiers of same - to consume those things that are now nothing more than vendor trash.
Remove dil and 'finish now' dil from crafting entirely. Wallet warrior game play is a mark of weak design and a floundering company.
Never going to happen. Crafting system as they just released it, is what we're stuck with for the long haul. You don't like it, don't use it.
You do know you don't need to buy the ships, if you feel so strongly against their design... No one is forcing you to buy them anyway.
Oh, but they ARE forcing you. Because they've announced that there are abilities/powers that will be available ONLY to TRUE Tier 6 ships, no upgraded ones. And I'll bet you nothing that all the Delta Quadrant stuff in Delta Rising, will benefit and be easier to do with those special abilities/powers. Not to mention that people like you and Zeratk, are going to be sitting in zone chat, teasing, bullying, harassing, and generally making fun of anyone that's chosen NOT to upgrade to Tier 6 ships. It happens ALL the time. It happened when they released the VA ships for the first time. It happened when they released Fleet ships for the first time. It'll happen here. And inevitably, some people cave in, because they can't deal with the peer pressure.
.../snipit... JamJamz and the other ship artists are going to knock it out of the park with a couple of their ship designs.
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You're kidding right? JamJamz and his starship art team should be fired for the garbage they've released over the years. If Cryptic even CARES about the Star Trek franchise, they'll hire people like Andrew Probert, John Eaves, Rick Sternbach, Douglas Trumbull, etc. to design the ships for Star Trek Online. But they don't. So they won't. And we end up with canon ships that aren't don't correctly, and non-canon ships that don't have a damn thing to do with Starfleet Aesthetics.
Honestly, this whole expansion pack is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I think I'll stick to everything pre-DR in STO, and completely ignore the new content.
And some people don't have any taste. That "Federation" vessel doesn't look like anything that Starfleet would design. The Dyson ships were bad enough. Now it's going from bad to worse. If that's the kind of garbage they expect the Federation players to use, then I DEMAND for Ship Costumes to be made available again, so that players can customize the appearance of their T6 ship to look like whatever ship they want (within reason). Because that T6 Fed ship is FUGLY compared to the Romulan and Klingon ships.
Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if you don't like the ship's design, then that's fine, not every single ship is going to please everyone... I find the Fed Tier 6 ship to be intriguing, the angle isn't too revealing so it's just first impression, but to say that people don't have taste? aren't you making an assumption there? You don't like the look of the ships, fine, you aren't required to like them. I love the look of the Romulan and the KDF ship. That's my opinion, of course, and I'm free to have it, just as much as you're free to have yours.
If my T5 c-store ships become obsolete, that will be game over for me.
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the fed one looks like a sorta advanced escort (mvam) with ultra thin quad nacelles and a science look to it. so its very possible to be a sci/tac hybrid, a proper hybrid, not like that dyson fail perhaps?
My biggest concern is with pack ships, especially the Flagships.
Its absurd the Enterprise stops being the top of the line Federation ship and became "meh" about 2 years after entering service, some other ships should be updated to T6 as the Atrox only because of their poor performance even at current level.
2 years? It hasn't even seen one full year of service. Commissioned in 2409, and it's barely 2410 in-game.
Though how long was the Constitution refit in service for before the Excelsior came out?
Sounds to me like T6 ships mean beginning yet another long long grind. From the sounds of it they are departing Star Trek cannon completely.
My question: WHY grind away for a shiney new T6 ship when there isn't anyplace to really take it except to the same old places, with same old battles they have the same no meaning?
Obviously it all about the F2P model maoney making machine. But I hope they are going to get REAL creative about the Delta Quadrant. PvP needs to be address. As balancing does.
Not feeling excitment here. Just the gut dreading of starting a whole new long grind to nowheres ville.
2 years? It hasn't even seen one full year of service. Commissioned in 2409, and it's barely 2410 in-game.
Though how long was the Constitution refit in service for before the Excelsior came out?
No one knows when the Excelsior should have been commissioned due to its experimental nature, but given that the Constitution Refit was more of a starship life extension (Like the US Navies' FRAM and CG conversions of the 1960s) rather than a true advance in Starfleet technology.
However, an advanced starship from last year commissioned during wartime is automatically outdated after its first combat mission. Also, given that STO's Starfleet has numerous vessels that are pretty on par with the Odyssey, Flagship as TNG's interpretation does not apply, but rather it should be a vessel with flag facilities, in which that aspect has been shown plus name recognition. Vote Jeff Johnson, the name you know!
Oh, but they ARE forcing you. Because they've announced that there are abilities/powers that will be available ONLY to TRUE Tier 6 ships, no upgraded ones. And I'll bet you nothing that all the Delta Quadrant stuff in Delta Rising, will benefit and be easier to do with those special abilities/powers. Not to mention that people like you and Zeratk, are going to be sitting in zone chat, teasing, bullying, harassing, and generally making fun of anyone that's chosen NOT to upgrade to Tier 6 ships. It happens ALL the time. It happened when they released the VA ships for the first time. It happened when they released Fleet ships for the first time. It'll happen here. And inevitably, some people cave in, because they can't deal with the peer pressure.
No one knows when the Excelsior should have been commissioned due to its experimental nature, but given that the Constitution Refit was more of a starship life extension (Like the US Navies' FRAM and CG conversions of the 1960s) rather than a true advance in Starfleet technology.
However, an advanced starship from last year commissioned during wartime is automatically outdated after its first combat mission. Also, given that STO's Starfleet has numerous vessels that are pretty on par with the Odyssey, Flagship as TNG's interpretation does not apply, but rather it should be a vessel with flag facilities, in which that aspect has been shown plus name recognition. Vote Jeff Johnson, the name you know!
Okay that does make sense. In-continuity, there might've been a time where the Odyssey-class and the tier 6 Fed ships were being developed at the same time, probably near the end of the Odyssey's completion. Unless the Feds found some way to speed up building their ships THAT fast.
If my T-5.5 Fleet Dreadnought becomes obsolete, bye bye STO.
I really doubt that. Even PWE isn't stupid enough to let that happen. And, as I've mentioned before, it is most likely that only a minority of players will actually have, or have access to, T6 ships. My assumption is that they'll be seen most in PvP, and the occasional STF.
Really now, it isn't that bad.
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would love to see the bottom of that Intrepid there.
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I really doubt that. Even PWE isn't stupid enough to let that happen. And, as I've mentioned before, it is most likely that only a minority of players will actually have, or have access to, T6 ships. My assumption is that they'll be seen most in PvP, and the occasional STF.
Really now, it isn't that bad.
There is room in my heart for me to still be impressed, but given the current track record I am not hopeful.
There is room in my heart for me to still be impressed, but given the current track record I am not hopeful.
I'm not impressed or hopeful, either. But I'm also not threatened. I have my Enterprise-D Retrofit, JHDC, and various other phallic symbols to show off in queues. As long as the ships I have will get me through PVE story missions, I'm fine. Really. I don't understand HOW the option for a ship upgrade is a threat If there's no indication that you have to upgrade ALL of them. Yeah, upgrade a main and a fighter or something for queues. But damn. No one cares about your precious bug ship anymore. I'm just saying.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
I'm not impressed or hopeful, either. But I'm also not threatened. I have my Enterprise-D Retrofit, JHDC, and various other phallic symbols to show off in queues. As long as the ships I have will get me through PVE story missions, I'm fine. Really. I don't understand HOW the option for a ship upgrade is a threat If there's no indication that you have to upgrade ALL of them. Yeah, upgrade a main and a fighter or something for queues. But damn. No one cares about your precious bug ship anymore. I'm just saying.
I really doubt every player has EVERY ship geared out for max DPS. I don't. We don't all obsess over automatically having the newest bestest shiny things. I have one ship (the Armataige sp?) for instances, a JHDC to show off, and a Peregrine as a small craft (I think I currently have Brunt's shuttle equipped). The rest of my ships are just there. Some are for storage of stuff I don't want to keep in my bank. Others (like the mirror ships) are soon to be deleted...as soon as I figure out what to do with the gear. Anyway, I suspect collecting T6's will be similar -- one or two main ships, and the rest collect space dust.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
I really doubt every player has EVERY ship geared out for max DPS. I don't. We don't all obsess over automatically having the newest bestest shiny things. I have one ship (the Armataige sp?) for instances, a JHDC to show off, and a Peregrine as a small craft (I think I currently have Brunt's shuttle equipped). The rest of my ships are just there. Some are for storage of stuff I don't want to keep in my bank. Others (like the mirror ships) are soon to be deleted...as soon as I figure out what to do with the gear. Anyway, I suspect collecting T6's will be similar -- one or two main ships, and the rest collect space dust.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
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It will still be useful, and it won't be "obsolete". The current "optimal" stuff just won't be "optimal" any more. Not optimal is not the same thing as obsolete.
I just see the ******** as the typical whining that comes with anything new.
The ones complaining about lack of challenge are building to reach obscene levels of damage that remove challenge, so they have no room to talk. Those same ones are claiming that "tier 6" ships will make their stuff "obsolete" simply because they won't be at the absolute pinnacle of damage any more and will have to waste more of their life recalculating which of the new stuff is "optimal".
Oooh. That's problematic, since they already said at the Q&A that new content is being held off on until after release. They promised plenty of repeatable content. But story content they teased is going to have to wait until after they have the time and resources.
I rather think of it as a legitimate concern as to whether or not the current gear will be deprecated. It happens in plenty enough other MMOs, with various developers providing upgrade routes (or not).
FWIW - at the panel, Cryptic was kind of squirrelly about addressing specifics about how much T5/Mk XII gear would be deprecated with the new expansion. They offered some vague reassurances that current T5 ships would not be wholly deprecated with the launch of T6 ships, particularly for lockbox/Lobi ships.
We can perhaps take that to mean that there may be some measure of upgrade capacity, or replacements. For now, the issue's kind of moot without specifics.
Shovel? I thought it was more of a pizza cutter, now with extra greebles.
Funny you should say that....
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And some people don't have any taste. That "Federation" vessel doesn't look like anything that Starfleet would design. The Dyson ships were bad enough. Now it's going from bad to worse. If that's the kind of garbage they expect the Federation players to use, then I DEMAND for Ship Costumes to be made available again, so that players can customize the appearance of their T6 ship to look like whatever ship they want (within reason). Because that T6 Fed ship is FUGLY compared to the Romulan and Klingon ships.
This will never happen, as that ship was a misinterpreted representation of Voyager by a race that, technically, hasn't discovered the schematics by this point in time. If that ship and the Dauntless get added in as Federation ships, I'm done. As neither ship is from Starfleet.
I need a side by side comparison, as that Intrepid hardly looks different from the one currently ingame...
Never going to happen. Crafting system as they just released it, is what we're stuck with for the long haul. You don't like it, don't use it.
Oh, but they ARE forcing you. Because they've announced that there are abilities/powers that will be available ONLY to TRUE Tier 6 ships, no upgraded ones. And I'll bet you nothing that all the Delta Quadrant stuff in Delta Rising, will benefit and be easier to do with those special abilities/powers. Not to mention that people like you and Zeratk, are going to be sitting in zone chat, teasing, bullying, harassing, and generally making fun of anyone that's chosen NOT to upgrade to Tier 6 ships. It happens ALL the time. It happened when they released the VA ships for the first time. It happened when they released Fleet ships for the first time. It'll happen here. And inevitably, some people cave in, because they can't deal with the peer pressure.
You're kidding right? JamJamz and his starship art team should be fired for the garbage they've released over the years. If Cryptic even CARES about the Star Trek franchise, they'll hire people like Andrew Probert, John Eaves, Rick Sternbach, Douglas Trumbull, etc. to design the ships for Star Trek Online. But they don't. So they won't. And we end up with canon ships that aren't don't correctly, and non-canon ships that don't have a damn thing to do with Starfleet Aesthetics.
Honestly, this whole expansion pack is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I think I'll stick to everything pre-DR in STO, and completely ignore the new content.
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2 years? It hasn't even seen one full year of service. Commissioned in 2409, and it's barely 2410 in-game.
Though how long was the Constitution refit in service for before the Excelsior came out?
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My question: WHY grind away for a shiney new T6 ship when there isn't anyplace to really take it except to the same old places, with same old battles they have the same no meaning?
Obviously it all about the F2P model maoney making machine. But I hope they are going to get REAL creative about the Delta Quadrant. PvP needs to be address. As balancing does.
Not feeling excitment here. Just the gut dreading of starting a whole new long grind to nowheres ville.
No one knows when the Excelsior should have been commissioned due to its experimental nature, but given that the Constitution Refit was more of a starship life extension (Like the US Navies' FRAM and CG conversions of the 1960s) rather than a true advance in Starfleet technology.
However, an advanced starship from last year commissioned during wartime is automatically outdated after its first combat mission. Also, given that STO's Starfleet has numerous vessels that are pretty on par with the Odyssey, Flagship as TNG's interpretation does not apply, but rather it should be a vessel with flag facilities, in which that aspect has been shown plus name recognition. Vote Jeff Johnson, the name you know!
What the heck is my nick doing in there?
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If my T-5.5 Fleet Dreadnought becomes obsolete, bye bye STO.
Really now, it isn't that bad.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
There is room in my heart for me to still be impressed, but given the current track record I am not hopeful.
I'm not impressed or hopeful, either. But I'm also not threatened. I have my Enterprise-D Retrofit, JHDC, and various other phallic symbols to show off in queues. As long as the ships I have will get me through PVE story missions, I'm fine. Really. I don't understand HOW the option for a ship upgrade is a threat If there's no indication that you have to upgrade ALL of them. Yeah, upgrade a main and a fighter or something for queues. But damn. No one cares about your precious bug ship anymore. I'm just saying.
Everyone wants to be the best at something.
I really doubt every player has EVERY ship geared out for max DPS. I don't. We don't all obsess over automatically having the newest bestest shiny things. I have one ship (the Armataige sp?) for instances, a JHDC to show off, and a Peregrine as a small craft (I think I currently have Brunt's shuttle equipped). The rest of my ships are just there. Some are for storage of stuff I don't want to keep in my bank. Others (like the mirror ships) are soon to be deleted...as soon as I figure out what to do with the gear. Anyway, I suspect collecting T6's will be similar -- one or two main ships, and the rest collect space dust.
Best at Something =/= Best at DPS
This game is DPS-centric, isn't it?
Well, I tried.