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Season 9 Dev Blog #20: New Patrol Escort

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  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    eh, no, there have been several A2B-capable escorts before this

    this is just the first federation one

    with effectiveness?

    this can have 2xAtB and no need to sacrifice anything.

    or I am missing something?
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    tehjonel wrote: »
    it's like you guys just kitbashed diff parts from the other patrol escorts, slapped on a 2409 skin, and called it a day.
    ...but that's what it is! That's the entire point!

    eh, no, there have been several A2B-capable escorts before this

    this is just the first federation one
    Not true: The first A2B capable Fed Escort was this and its fleet counterpart, and if you exclude that because it's kind of a terrible example of an escort-type, then there was this, and if you exclude that because of its nonavailability to the general public, there was this. This, however, will be the first time one has appeared in the C-Store.
    eurialo wrote: »
    with effectiveness?

    this can have 2xAtB and no need to sacrifice anything.
    My list comprehensively covers Fed Escort types which can run 2xATB builds without dysfunctional layouts created using Uni slots in ways that exclude Sci completely, or resorting to inappropriate cramming of ATB2 into a LtC slot. Admittedly, only on one of these is doing so actually a particularly good idea.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Not true: The first A2B capable Fed Escort was this and its fleet counterpart, and if you exclude that because it's kind of a terrible example of an escort-type, then there was this, and if you exclude that because of its nonavailability to the general public, there was this. This, however, will be the first time one has appeared in the C-Store.
    the aquarius is a royal piece of TRIBBLE period and the chimera is a destroyer, not an escort

    i forgot about the steamrunner, though...but one could say that isn't available to the general public either, since it can only be acquired through steam

    but i'll rephrase anyway...there have been several A2B-capable escorts before, this is just the first federation one that is available to the average joe
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Not true: The first A2B capable Fed Escort was this and its fleet counterpart, and if you exclude that because it's kind of a terrible example of an escort-type, then there was this, and if you exclude that because of its nonavailability to the general public, there was this. This, however, will be the first time one has appeared in the C-Store.

    Chimera Heavy Destroyer (LTS)
    Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer (LTS)
    Heavy Escort Carrier (ZEN)
    Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Fleet)
    Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit (Steam)
    Aquarius Destroyer (Fleet)
    Fleet Aquarius Destroyer (Fleet)
    Andorian Charal Escort (ZEN)
    Mobius Temporal Destroyer (Lobi)
    *Patrol Escort Refit (ZEN)*
    *Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (Fleet)*

    Guess I should have said 10th and 11th before.

    But both the Andorian Charal Escort (2x Lt Eng) and the Heavy Escort Carrier (LCdr Eng) were technically ZEN boats able (the capable while being able part comes into question) to run either 2x AtB1 or AtB1/AtB2.

    Course, it will probably get into the argument about Escort/Destroyer/Escort Carrier/etc...

    edit: And I previewed this post, I can see it already did...lol.

    edit2: And running without Sci meant something more before the introduction of the WCE (Cleanse Everything, Muthaluva!) DOFFs...

    edit3: Cause you know, the argument's not about effectiveness - it's just about having it, right? At which point Feds should say, sure - here have a bunch of boats you can render useless by running AtB - have it! See you on the battlefield...lol. :P
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ...but that's what it is! That's the entire point!



    Not true: The first A2B capable Fed Escort was this and its fleet counterpart, and if you exclude that because it's kind of a terrible example of an escort-type, then there was this, and if you exclude that because of its nonavailability to the general public, there was this. This, however, will be the first time one has appeared in the C-Store.


    My list comprehensively covers Fed Escort types which can run 2xATB builds without dysfunctional layouts created using Uni slots in ways that exclude Sci completely, or resorting to inappropriate cramming of ATB2 into a LtC slot. Admittedly, only on one of these is doing so actually a particularly good idea.


    All the ships you listed have to sacrifice some healing or tanking abilities. In this new ship you can have all you need... ex. RSP, ET3 or AtS2... HE and ST or TSS.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    the aquarius is a royal piece of TRIBBLE period and the chimera is a destroyer, not an escort
    I've covered the "Aquarius is TRIBBLE" objection already, and the "Destroyer not an escort" argument is just plain inane.
    i forgot about the steamrunner, though...but one could say that isn't available to the general public either, since it can only be acquired through steam
    Well, the general public is surprisingly willing to suck down on that insidious spyware, and as a member of the general public, I have nonetheless managed to acquire one of these without ever touching Steam or my wallet, but yes, I did also cover that objection in the note that FPE 2.0 would be the first one in the C-Store.
    But both the Andorian Charal Escort (2x Lt Eng) and the Heavy Escort Carrier (LCdr Eng) were technically ZEN boats able (the capable while being able part comes into question) to run either 2x AtB1 or AtB1/AtB2.
    The Charal couldn't really do this because this would have been a dysfunctional loadout with no Sci, and the HEC could only awkwardly shoehorn it into a ship that then wouldn't have anything to pump anyway.
    eurialo wrote: »
    All the ships you listed have to sacrifice some healing or tanking abilities. In this new ship you can have all you need... ex. RSP, ET3 or AtS2... HE and ST or TSS.
    No they don't. The Chim sacrifices nothing for it. It's perfectly capable of operating using the same kind of layout that the Scimitar, Hunter, and JHEC use.

    And putting ATS on an ATB boat would be dumb.
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ... Wow, not cool cryptic. I am incredibly disappointed. Removing access to a ship? I like the 4/2/4 console layout of the current Fleet Patrol Escort, and now my future characters will never be able to obtain that. You suck.

    The Tempest has very attractive stats/boffs but seriously, retiring the current fleet ship? You should have just made a brand new ship or kept both versions of the fleet patrol escort available in the fleet store with different names (e.g. old Maelstrom class, new Hurricane class or something like that).

    I suppose you're going to remove access to all the other RALH equivalent Fleet ships too you jerks? I should go buy a fleet DSSV, Luna, etc. etc. etc. now before you remove my ability to get those ships and replace them with versions I don't want as well?

    I bet we won't even be able to have both versions of the Fleet Patrol Escort in our ship roster simultaneously because Cryptic couldn't be bothered to give them different database identifiers or something like that. Want the new one? Sorry you have to delete the old one.

    The only solace I can take from this is that my main already has the FPE and you won't be touching it with a forced "upgrade."


    p.s. The Arc website is down yet again. Remind me again exactly how this is supposed to be an improvement over the old site?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The Charal couldn't really do this because this would have been a dysfunctional loadout with no Sci, and the HEC could only awkwardly shoehorn it into a ship that then wouldn't have anything to pump anyway.

    Heh, it's why I mentioned in each post the difference between one might see in the term capable and the preference of using the term able.

    X is able of running AtB. Y is capable of running AtB, but Y is not a very capable ship if you run AtB.

    That sort of thing.

    And why I made the joke that Feds could tell the KDF, sure - here have some AtB-able ships...they just won't be very capable ships if you do!
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I've covered the "Aquarius is TRIBBLE" objection already, and the "Destroyer not an escort" argument is just plain inane.
    there is no argument, because you can't argue a fact, and it's a fact that borticus has stated very plainly that
    No. A Destroyer is not an Escort.

    unless that distinction has changed at cryptic since the post was made, destroyers and escorts remain two different classes of ship
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    there is no argument, because you can't argue a fact, and it's a fact that borticus has stated very plainly that

    unless that distinction has changed at cryptic since the post was made, destroyers and escorts remain two different classes of ship

    Problem is...not every ship that's labeled something is that something.
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yay more federation ships for no reason :rolleyes: ....I wish KDF could get new ships and random 3 packs for the hell of it. Is KDF getting something? :confused:
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Yay more federation ships for no reason :rolleyes: ....I wish KDF could get new ships and random 3 packs for the hell of it. Is KDF getting something? :confused:

    Hah, "for no reason". There's a perfectly valid reason - Fed's make up the majority of STO players, hence it's more profitable to make Fed ships to sell.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    johngazman wrote: »
    Hah, "for no reason". There's a perfectly valid reason - Fed's make up the majority of STO players, hence it's more profitable to make Fed ships to sell.

    Perhaps to a point...but then you reach a point of saturation. Too many ships, too many choices - and - no choice is made, nothing is bought.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Problem is...not every ship that's labeled something is that something.
    well, yes...the bugship is a prime example of that...it's classed as an escort, and does have the commander tactical and number of weapons you'd expect of one...but it also has destroyer-level base hull and BoP-level base turn rate, and it also seems to have an unusually high impulse modifier
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited May 2014

    No they don't. The Chim sacrifices nothing for it. It's perfectly capable of operating using the same kind of layout that the Scimitar, Hunter, and JHEC use.

    And putting ATS on an ATB boat would be dumb.

    Yes, you are right... but he chimera however has a lower TR and 4 tac, moreover a ensign uni station is not comparable to having (for ex.) a ET3.

    And yes... AtS was my fault... but ET3 is an excellent substitute.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    well, yes...the bugship is a prime example of that...it's classed as an escort, and does have the commander tactical and number of weapons you'd expect of one...but it also has destroyer-level base hull and BoP-level base turn rate

    Aquarius Destroyer looks more like a Raider than a Destroyer. The existence of the Plesh Brek rules out the need for a Raider to have a cloak - so cloak's no longer a determining factor for a ship to be a Raider...the Flanking is. Aquarius doesn't have Flanking...so not a Raider...but not a Destroyer either. Etc, etc, etc.

    The Chel Grett...called a Warship...separate class of Tactical ship? The Corvette is, but it has a unique mechanic to it.

    JHEC vs. HEC/FHEC, the HEC/FHEC getting the +10% Bonus Defense of an Escort while the JHEC does not.

    Heck, we have NPC ships called one thing and player ships another...lol, but I guess that's "Canon" - cause the same thing happened with various ships in the shows.

    It's kind of annoying though - perhaps an OCD moment - but it would be nifty if each class was clearly defined as being distinct from another class for whatever reasons and no ships that did not match that bore the class name.

    Then again, there's the Dyson Science Destroyers...which...meh...yeah.

    I think the folks at Cryptic sometimes just sit back and look at us muttering, "FFS, just go blow stuff up and have fun...quit the damn nitpicking!"
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Hey i feel left out. I also want to correct and argue with someone about what someone said.

    :rolleyes:
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Aquarius Destroyer looks more like a Raider than a Destroyer. The existence of the Plesh Brek rules out the need for a Raider to have a cloak - so cloak's no longer a determining factor for a ship to be a Raider...the Flanking is. Aquarius doesn't have Flanking...so not a Raider...but not a Destroyer either. Etc, etc, etc.
    i never really associated raiders with cloaks before they got flanking...it was always the all uni boff seating and 4/2 weapon configuration

    of course, the plesh brek went and threw that out the window when it came with a 4/2 config but also came with fixed boff seating
    JHEC vs. HEC/FHEC, the HEC/FHEC getting the +10% Bonus Defense of an Escort while the JHEC does not.
    and let's not forget the fleet defiant not getting the +10% extra shields every other fleet ship gets...i'm thinking those are both probably bugs
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I want to buy this ship. I really do.

    But the Dev's are not acknowledging the fact that some of us are struggling to actually play STO due to the post season 9 changes to graphics.

    And in view of that, I fail to see the point in buying a new shiny ship - no matter how much I may want it - when I'll just be stuttering and hiccuping around whatever map I am in due to my laptop stuggling to cope.

    Have the same problem. No higher settings work for me. All my characters look like Odo and the performance is pretty bad and laggy.
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I want to buy this ship. I really do.

    But the Dev's are not acknowledging the fact that some of us are struggling to actually play STO due to the post season 9 changes to graphics.

    And in view of that, I fail to see the point in buying a new shiny ship - no matter how much I may want it - when I'll just be stuttering and hiccuping around whatever map I am in due to my laptop stuggling to cope.

    Yep, the voth battle zone lags like crazy now. The V-Rex turns STO into a slide show for me. A super slow 1 frame every 5 seconds. Wasn't the case until season 9. My XPS 17 laptop is top of the line. Well, I thought it was... :(.

    Crysis on ultra = Smooth.

    STO on medium = 12 frames per second? I wish I was joking...
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  • overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Have the same problem. No higher settings work for me. All my characters look like Odo and the performance is pretty bad and laggy.

    Go to the graphic options and set lightning quality to high. That is the only setting that can cause character textures to lose "depth".

    As for loss of frames per second, I am noticing it in the Dyson Sphere space. I never noticed any loss of fps outside 20 man raids before, something has changed and for the worse.
  • caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Soooo, back to the new ship?

    I don't usually fly escorts on my fed, but this looks like a really fun ship to try, the BOFF seating is very versatile. The thing i hate is having to keep banking to bring cannons to bare, then banking away once you get to close, but this looks like it will be fun when you bank away as well as bank towards. I know that sounded whiny, its not that, i just prefer cruisers usually.

    So will the rear cannons be under rapid fire I all the time?
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I was very interested to read this part:
    The Tempest comes equipped with a Nadion Saturation Bomb console. Firing the Nadion Saturation Bomb lays down a string of explosive fire that strafes between the ship and its target and then continues to detonate past the target. Any enemy ships caught in the explosions will take severe damage. After detonation, an intense Nadion Radiation Field lingers in space, creating a deadly hazard for enemies.

    But unhappy to read this part:
    The Nadion Saturation Bomb console may be equipped in any console slot of any Patrol Escort.

    I like consoles that fire projectile weapons, so was looking forward to acquiring this one to add to my collection.

    But if it's for patrol escort only, I won't be able to use it anyway!

    My primary Starfleet ships are Sovereign, Scimitar and Nicor.
    Since none of these are patrol escorts, it makes acquisition of the console useless.
    And I expect since the captains flying the Scimitar and Nicor are New Romulus (Starfleet aligned), they couldn't get it anyway!

    And therefore, any interest I had in the ship is discontinued.

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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Have the same problem. No higher settings work for me. All my characters look like Odo and the performance is pretty bad and laggy.

    May I just add here that I would pay good money to have a character who looks like Odo? And who had, y'know, the requisite powers and stuff?
  • davideightdavideight Member Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    i still think the BO seating MUST be a mistake. the lt sci is probably only an ensign, or non existant.

    this ship would be SUPER durable.


    it would have access to:

    epts1,rsp1,sif2

    epts1,rsp1,engteam3

    and

    tss1 hazard2

    and if you want to tank: tacteam1,faw2/scatter/rapidfire,omega1,delta3


    this is tooo much, even for a ship that only has 3eng consoles then.

    i think its a mistake.


    either the ltcom uni is just a lt uni + lt sci or its ltcom uni+en sci.

    i really think that ltcom uni is nice, but i really doubt it, when i think of the already present ltcom tech there. think its a mistake and the correction will make many ppl sad. watch out before you buy it.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Hey i feel left out. I also want to correct and argue with someone about what someone said.

    :rolleyes:

    I dont agree with you because of reasons.. :P
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  • captainkeatzcaptainkeatz Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Pretty. Now that's a skin I'm willing to spend cash on again.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I wonder if since they aren't updating the existing fleet patrol escorts if its going to let you be able to obtain a 2nd one since usually it only allows one of a given ship class.
    They're different classes. The old one was just a Fleet Patrol Escort, a fleet version of the RA ship. The new one is a Patrol Escort Refit (BOFF changes and a c-store console), and a Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (fleet version of the Refit, byoc).
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    eh, no, there have been several A2B-capable escorts before this

    this is just the first federation one
    There are only 3 non-Federation Escorts, last time I checked.
    Chimera Heavy Destroyer (LTS)
    Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer (LTS)
    Heavy Escort Carrier (ZEN)
    Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Fleet)
    Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit (Steam)
    Aquarius Destroyer (Fleet)
    Fleet Aquarius Destroyer (Fleet)
    Andorian Charal Escort (ZEN)
    Mobius Temporal Destroyer (Lobi)
    *Patrol Escort Refit (ZEN)*
    *Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (Fleet)*
    Not all of those are Escorts.
    I've covered the "Aquarius is TRIBBLE" objection already, and the "Destroyer not an escort" argument is just plain inane.
    Nah.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    every possible seating combination with 5 seats has already been done; they have to do it this way now to avoid carbon copies of other ship seating arrangements
    That's not true, there are seating combinations with dual-Lt that havent been done and make a lot of sense. They could have made the Galaxy dual-Lt tactical, for example, and it would be interesting and unique cruiser seating.
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