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Season 9 Dev Blog #20: New Patrol Escort

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    usskeystoneusskeystone Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    These new ships are looking great!
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm not a mindreader. My assumption is they didnt want to confuse potential buyers, given how existing owners were already confused by it.

    How would people be confused by it? I don't see that at all.

    Long story short, devs want more money from us.
    I need a beer.

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    clannmacclannmac Member Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The old FPE is still the old Fleet Patrol Escort, its not the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.

    Umm...yeah, it is - read the blog. For shorts, here is the quote:

    "...There is currently a Fleet Patrol Escort available in the in-game ship store if you have a Tier 1 Fleet Shipyard. That ship will be retired and no longer available. It will be replaced with the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit...."
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    How would people be confused by it? I don't see that at all.
    FPE and FPER have the same Fleet skin, but have a different layout. Somebody might buy the FPE when they meant to buy the FPER. Also your posts referring to the FPER as FPE v2 demonstrate that existing owners dont recognize there is a difference between FPE and FPER.
    Long story short, devs want more money from us.
    No kidding
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    clannmac wrote: »
    Umm...yeah, it is - read the blog. For shorts, here is the quote:

    "...There is currently a Fleet Patrol Escort available in the in-game ship store if you have a Tier 1 Fleet Shipyard. That ship will be retired and no longer available. It will be replaced with the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit...."

    The ship in the c-store catalog is getting replaced. Plain english. Says nothing about the ship in your collection.
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    clannmacclannmac Member Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The ship in the c-store catalog is getting replaced. Plain english. Says nothing about the ship in your collection.

    Negative. The C-Store variant is the Tempest Class. The FLEET version, the one being replaced, is the Maelstrom variant, and it was the ONLY FPE variant available at Shipyard Tier 1. And, you CAN NO LONGER buy the "standard" FPE, so there is no confusing the two - the former is NO LONGER AVAILABLE, as per the blog.

    Sorry mate, two ships here - talking about the latter. Again, read the blog.
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    ak255ak255 Member Posts: 317 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Either Cryptic purposefully lied or once again, put a typo within the stats.

    The Dev blog says the ship has a shield modifer of 0.95, and the Fleet varient is 1.045. HOWEVER, when I checked the Ship Requisitions in-game, it says the ship has a shield modifier of 0.9 and the Fleet varient has 0.99
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    kronosathkronosath Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Is there a thread or anything on the matter that those that have the previous version of Fleet Patrol have to repay 5 fleet modules to buy the new one.

    They should at least give us the option with 1 fleet module that is the difference in price between the two version to change to new.

    Payed 2000 zen (4 fleet modules) to buy it.

    Nice policy Cryptic. :mad:
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    clannmacclannmac Member Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    kronosath wrote: »
    Is there a thread or anything on the matter that those that have the previous version of Fleet Patrol have to repay 5 fleet modules to buy the new one.

    They should at least give us the option with 1 fleet module that is the difference in price between the two version to change to new.

    Payed 2000 zen (4 fleet modules) to buy it.

    Nice policy Cryptic. :mad:

    It's in the new blog that we are only SUPPOSED to have to pay 1 (still a rip-off since we paid 4 for the original, but the math equals out IF they actually stick to their word...unlikely):

    Here's the quote:

    "...Cost: 5 Fleet Modules (1 Fleet Module if you already own the Patrol Escort Refit) plus Fleet Credits..."

    (Whole Blog: http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/5002633)
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    FPE and FPER have the same Fleet skin, but have a different layout.

    Same thing happened with the Galaxy X. But did they just leave the old Gal-Xs as they were? No, they changed them as well. Granted, it wasn't such an extreme change but it was a change nontheless.
    Somebody might buy the FPE when they meant to buy the FPER. Also your posts referring to the FPER as FPE v2 demonstrate that existing owners dont recognize there is a difference between FPE and FPER.


    But that doesn't explain why cryptic didn't change the old ones that are already out in circulation. To use your logic, If someone owned the old one and then bought the new ones, they could confuse them.
    IMO It's just cryptic/pwe gouging for cash and IMO that isn't cool.

    Unless it's a bug and unintentional. [/hopes up]
    I need a beer.

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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ak255 wrote: »
    Either Cryptic purposefully lied or once again, put a typo within the stats.

    The Dev blog says the ship has a shield modifer of 0.95, and the Fleet varient is 1.045. HOWEVER, when I checked the Ship Requisitions in-game, it says the ship has a shield modifier of 0.9 and the Fleet varient has 0.99

    I pointed that out a few pages ago. It has happened before, I'm sure*.


    *Cryptic putting out wrong stats, that is.
    I need a beer.

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    marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    some KDF ships like the qin raptor need the same treatment even more and should be redone.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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    tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    clannmac wrote: »
    It's in the new blog that we are only SUPPOSED to have to pay 1 (still a rip-off since we paid 4 for the original, but the math equals out IF they actually stick to their word...unlikely):

    Here's the quote:

    "...Cost: 5 Fleet Modules (1 Fleet Module if you already own the Patrol Escort Refit) plus Fleet Credits..."

    (Whole Blog: http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/5002633)

    uh.... the Patrol Escort Refit is not the Fleet Patrol Escort.... it never said owning the FPE will get you a FPER for 1 Module. its saying if you own the C-store PER you get the FPER for 1 module.
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    clannmac wrote: »
    Negative. The C-Store variant is the Tempest Class. The FLEET version, the one being replaced, is the Maelstrom variant, and it was the ONLY FPE variant available at Shipyard Tier 1. And, you CAN NO LONGER buy the "standard" FPE, so there is no confusing the two - the former is NO LONGER AVAILABLE, as per the blog.

    Sorry mate, two ships here - talking about the latter. Again, read the blog.

    Sorry I typo'd and wrote c-store meant to say "fleet catalog"

    Plain english, it says the ship in the catalog is getting replaced, says nothing about the ship in your roster
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    tenkari wrote: »
    uh.... the Patrol Escort Refit is not the Fleet Patrol Escort.... it never said owning the FPE will get you a FPER for 1 Module. its saying if you own the C-store PER you get the FPER for 1 module.

    Indeed. But in the past where ships have been buffed, it's been applied retroactively. Arkif and gal-x buffs are examples of this, though they weren't total changes like the new boff layout for the FPE.


    It sets a new precedent and not a good one.
    I need a beer.

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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Sooooo....can we get any official confirmation on the fleet one's shield mod? Is it 0.99, or 1.045 - which is the correct one?
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    But that doesn't explain why cryptic didn't change the old ones that are already out in circulation.
    THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"
    Unless it's a bug and unintentional. [/hopes up]
    Keep dreaming
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    ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm still waiting to get in and buy this baby. This patch has got to be the slowest one on record... :eek:
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away.


    You are misreading all of my posts. I am NOT saying that one should get a free PEr just because they already own an old PE or the old FPE. What I am saying (and you are apparently not getting) is that the old FPE should be upgraded to the new FPE.
    It was good enough for the Arkif and the gal-x, so why is it not good enough for the FPE?
    What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"

    No, I never brought up the issue of possible confusion. You did, as I recall.

    Keep dreaming

    I intend to.
    I need a beer.

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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You are misreading all of my posts. [...] What I am saying (and you are apparently not getting) is that the old FPE should be upgraded to the new FPE.
    Its NOT A NEW FPE, its a NEW FPER. ITS A DIFFERENT SHIP.
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    urmuz1urmuz1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"

    No dude; the old Fleet Patrol Escort has been retired; it is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late fleet ship. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. And it has been replaced by a ship with the same name but different stats; none of the above ships have been retired; this is the first one. Bought with 2000 zen, the old fleet patrol is not available anymore. Name one single other ship that is in the same position.
    They could've sold this issue by making the new ship an entire new line, not associated with Patrol escort.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Its NOT A NEW FPE, its a NEW FPER. ITS A DIFFERENT SHIP.

    So why is the old one now gone then? If it were a "new" ship then it would not have all the same skin options as the old one. If it were a "new" ship then they would not have removed the old one from sale.

    Funny, we've gone around in a circle.

    The C-store t5 is a new one, but the the fleet version is merely a buff for the "old" FPE plus a new skin option.
    I need a beer.

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    bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"


    Keep dreaming

    So if they re-release every single ship in expansion 2 by adding an 'advanced' tag in front of it and adding the new secondary deflector/comm array/whatever item slot to them and expected everyone to pay another $25+ for the new version that would be ok?

    Because it wouldn't be ok by me. The removed the old ship because it wasn't desirable enough to continue selling. The FPE everyone currently has isn't even good enough to justify the space in the catalog to Cryptic.
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    urmuz1 wrote: »
    And it has been replaced by a ship with the same name but different stats
    It has a different name: Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.

    And it is a different ship.

    Your old Fleet Patrol Escort still exists, nobody took it away.

    You can ask for a free upgrade but dont act like its the same ship and all the existing instances should be replaced. Its a different ship, different class, different stats from the old one.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It has a different name: Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.

    And it is a different ship.

    Your old Fleet Patrol Escort still exists, nobody took it away.

    You can ask for a free upgrade but dont act like its the same ship and all the existing instances should be replaced. Its a different ship, different class, different stats from the old one.

    That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
    How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.

    Yes, the old one still exists, but you keep missing the point that this is setting a very bad precedent for us players.

    Would you be okay with paying up full price each time cryptic decides to buff a ship?
    I need a beer.

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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The C-store t5 is a new one, but the the fleet version is merely a buff for the "old" FPE plus a new skin option.

    The new FPER has the embedded tailgun and more hull than the old FPE. Its a different ship.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The new FPER has the embedded tailgun and more hull than the old FPE. Its a different ship.

    Read the rest of my post.

    That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
    How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.

    If it were a "completely different ship" then it would not have so many similarities with the old one. It is a buff.
    I need a beer.

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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    bareel wrote: »
    So if they re-release every single ship in expansion 2 by adding an 'advanced' tag in front of it and adding the new secondary deflector/comm array/whatever item slot to them and expected everyone to pay another $25+ for the new version that would be ok?

    Because it wouldn't be ok by me. The removed the old ship because it wasn't desirable enough to continue selling. The FPE everyone currently has isn't even good enough to justify the space in the catalog to Cryptic.
    I didnt say it was okay, I am trying to correct people's idea that its somehow the same ship and they should therefore get a hot-swap replacement when what they are asking for is an upgrade to another ship (the "advanced" model). In fact I think its terrible practice and I complain everytime people talk about lvl 60 that this is what we can expect for it. And lo it happened. People who act like they cant tell the difference between ship classes arent actually doing any good here.
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    gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
    How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.

    Yes, the old one still exists, but you keep missing the point that this is setting a very bad precedent for us players.

    Would you be okay with paying up full price each time cryptic decides to buff a ship?

    Y'know what else has all of the same skin options as the old one and the same write up in the fleet shipyard? The Assault Cruiser Refit. And like the Patrol Escort, it has a BOFF layout that is vastly different.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I didnt say it was okay, I am trying to correct people's idea that its somehow the same ship and they should therefore get a hot-swap replacement when what they are asking for is an upgrade to another ship (the "advanced" model). In fact I think its terrible practice and I complain everytime people talk about lvl 60 that this is what we can expect for it. And lo it happened. People who act like they cant tell the difference between ship classes arent actually doing any good here.

    If it were a completely different ship then it wouldn't share absolutely everything the old one has, other than the stats, which aren't miles different anyway.
    I need a beer.

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