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Season 9 Dev Blog #20: New Patrol Escort

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  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ddemlong wrote: »
    Pretty insulting to KDF and Roms.. Feds already have like 120 variations of ships and they get another new one while everyone else is ignored.

    While I agree Roms need more ships, I have to say nothing can insult Roms, Roms have extra powers and yes I play all three Rom, Fed and KDF.

    Until they balance that better Roms will be on top of the game.

    Feds don't need new ships they need to upgrade the ships feds have without coming out with new ships. Like revamp the whole lot of them. Especially the science ships who've needed an overhaul for some time now. Still waiting on the secondary deflectors for all the rest of the science ships in the federation for example.

    They need to give special powers to the ships that are already out that are Tier 5 for both Fed and KDF like they've done for the cruisers recently to enhance their gameplay at the very least that would provide some leverage.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    It's there. Keep looking.

    Thank god I have the original Blog still open on my tablet.
    I just need to be careful not to press the X button on the tab.

    Hmm there is a little but of dust on the tab, I will gently wipe it away and..

    Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Even though I do not play fed side as much as I do KDF I like this revamp or what not of this ship to where I'll get it on many fed toons. I just hope they have plans like this for KDF ships especially a large number of the ones that are not even available in the c-store to out fit on existing ones.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Let's see... buy the Fleet Patrol Escort before tomorrow and have a comparatively boring ship, or wait till tomorrow so my OCD will eat me up for neglecting to get a now-discontinued ship...

    Dammit.
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Looking at it on Tribble. It replaced the Vesta as the center stage presented ship seen through the indoor viewports. Even the 'Docked ship' diagram to Admiral Quinn's right (left of his office) was changed. No sign of the Vesta anywhere, though.

    The U.S.S. Tempest has a registry of NCC-97700. That apparently accounts for the registries of 200 Avenger-class battlecruisers (from NCC-97500 to NCC-97699).
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    Looking at it on Tribble. It replaced the Vesta as the center stage presented ship seen through the indoor viewports.

    The U.S.S. Tempest has a registry of NCC-97700. That apparently accounts for the registries of 200 Avenger-class battlecruisers (from NCC-97500 to NCC-97699).
    How about the Fed DSDs? They have registry numbers as well.
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The DSDs don't display it on their hulls. So, yeah, no indication for us there.
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    What kind of ******* do you guys hire at PW and cryptic? Can you give me a job?
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The blog appears to be back up.

    Or I just got lucky. I try to go to other enteries and still get the error...
    What kind of ******* do you guys hire at PW and cryptic? Can you give me a job?
    Why? What kind of ******* are you?
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    The DSDs don't display it on their hulls. So, yeah, no indication for us there.
    True, but logically there'd be a few here & there between 97500 and 97700.

    Also, I guess this solidifies the hypothesis that the Tempest isn't a retcon.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    You guys really have to tell me how you manage to so steadfastly reach that conclusion when the vocabulary actually leaves it being the opposite, or just unclear (in which case it's crazy how you all are jumping to conclusions based on an assumption).

    Seriously guys. Reading Comprehension 101.

    I look forward to you eating your words when they confirm they wont be upgrading the existing FPEs. After four years of these kind of underhanded tactics, you sadly expect them. That said, I'll be the first to take my hat off to them if they don't charge us to replace our existing FPEs.
    ddemlong wrote: »
    Pretty insulting to KDF and Roms.. Feds already have like 120 variations of ships and they get another new one while everyone else is ignored.

    Until the other factions get a pay to win ship like the scimitar, the Romulans have nothing to complain about in the ship department. :P
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  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I hope this is a typo...
  • ruinsfateruinsfate Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    No, it says it in the blog. All fleet ships that have to come with a gimmick because it's not a removable console cost 5 FSM (B'rel for example)
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I look forward to you eating your words when they confirm they wont be upgrading the existing FPEs. After four years of these kind of underhanded tactics, you sadly expect them. That said, I'll be the first to take my hat off to them if they don't charge us to replace our existing FPEs.

    Don't look forward to it too much. It won't faze me either way. I just feel bad for the Devs involved who get villified, either way, still just on assumptions. My being wrong doesn't excuse the lack of civility I've seen toward the Devs here.

    Even if you're proven right: to the guys whom bought a Fleet Patrol Escort... they lose nothing. They'll still get the same relatively good escort they had before. It's not like the Devs will have taken anything from them. It won't just become bad overnight because another ship with two LtC seats is out. Hell, the Fleet Norgh has been out all this time, and it hasn't phased all that many people. Not to mention the present Fleet Patrol Escort has the advantage of more Romulan Operatives that can be seated, so it's not all bad.

    Then, if you wanted the skin, you'd have needed to get the Z-Store ship anyways. And then, if you really wanted to get the Fleet thingamajig refit, it'd be 20k FC and a fleet module. Big fsking deal.

    As I see it, it's not a dirty move at all. You bought something, and that's still what you have. Another poster had a valid point as to a complete conversion likely being avoided because there would have been some whom would not have liked the conversion anyways.

    As for me? I didn't have it, so, I'll probably get it if it comes out tomorrow. And I'll be quite happy. No eating my words involved.

    I still think most of you are blowing this out of proportions.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    Don't look forward to it too much. It won't faze me either way. I just feel bad for the Devs involved who get villified, either way, still just on assumptions. My being wrong doesn't excuse the lack of civility I've seen toward the Devs here.

    Even if you're proven right: to the guys whom bought a Fleet Patrol Escort... they lose nothing. They'll still get the same relatively good escort they had before. It's not like the Devs will have taken anything from them. It won't just become bad overnight because another ship with two LtC seats is out. Hell, the Fleet Norgh has been out all this time, and it hasn't phased all that many people. Not to mention the present Fleet Patrol Escort has the advantage of more Romulan Operatives that can be seated, so it's not all bad.

    Then, if you wanted the skin, you'd have needed to get the Z-Store ship anyways. And then, if you really wanted to get the Fleet thingamajig refit, it'd be 20k FC and a fleet module. Big fsking deal.

    As I see it, it's not a dirty move at all. You bought something, and that's still what you have. Another poster had a valid point as to a complete conversion likely being avoided because there would have been some whom would not have liked the conversion anyways.

    As for me? I didn't have it, so, I'll probably get it if it comes out tomorrow. And I'll be quite happy. No eating my words involved.

    I still think most of you are blowing this out of proportions.

    It's more about the general principle of handling it in this manner, than whether or not we will lose our existing ship. Of course we will continue to have use of our current FPEs, but the fact of it is that if this is happening now then it has a chance to happen for any other ship at any point in time. I don't know about you personally, but frankly this puts me off buying C-Store or Fleet ships in the future for fear that they will become redundant and get an upgraded replacement which I'll then have to buy again to keep up with the additional fire power.
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Another PR fail. Such an important question when doing something unprecedented should have had a ready to go response.

    I highly doubt the ships will mutate as I don't see how they could without issues. However, if there will be the option for current owners to exchange theirs for a new one should have been answered in the blog.

    My only hope is that they will let current owners trade them in but didn't want to say so to avoid people buying them early at a one module discount. Which is still kinda silly but meh.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    Don't look forward to it too much. It won't faze me either way. I just feel bad for the Devs involved who get villified, either way, still just on assumptions. My being wrong doesn't excuse the lack of civility I've seen toward the Devs here.

    I try to be civil when it comes to my criticism to the devs. That said, I think they're in the wrong for doing this.
    Even if you're proven right: to the guys whom bought a Fleet Patrol Escort... they lose nothing. They'll still get the same relatively good escort they had before. It's not like the Devs will have taken anything from them. It won't just become bad overnight because another ship with two LtC seats is out. Hell, the Fleet Norgh has been out all this time, and it hasn't phased all that many people. Hell, the present Fleet Patrol Escort has the advantage of more Romulan Operatives that can be seated, so it's not all bad.

    It's not all bad. But I think it's a mixture of buyer's remorse and the devs willingness to upgrade so many other ships without 'retiring' them. It also shakes my faith in further Fleet ship purchases if they're going to make a habit of surprise upgrades you have to rebuy your ship for.

    Spending what, 9 fleet modules and 40k fleet ec for the same ship twice? I think it's ridiculous that the Fleet Patrol Escort enthusiasts in the game are getting the shaft. Even if they buy the thing with Zen, that's still 2,500 zen and 1 fleet module.

    For the same ship.
    As I see it, it's not a dirty move at all. You bought something, and that's still what you have. Another poster had a valid point as to a complete conversion likely being avoided because there would have been some whom would not have liked the conversion anyways.

    "You bought something, and that's what you still have." isn't really a valid argument when Cryptic consistently upgrades existing ships without this tactic behind it. If anything it sets the precedent that Cryptic will be allowed to force people to pay for ship upgrades whenever they feel a particular ship needs a buff.

    Because they can just point to the Tempest-class and say, "We did it here and it was wildly successful."

    How about those Dyson Secondary deflectors? What's stopping them from charging you twice for your science vessel so you'll get one with a secondary deflector? Would you still be saying, "Well you still have the science vessel and it isn't all bad just because it doesn't have a secondary deflector. They aren't taking anything away from you."

    This is just a 'What If' scenario, but the important part is that this marks a possible habit of re-selling currently-existing Fleet ships. And that's not a habit I really desire to see in the game when we buy Fleet ships under the impression they're the best you can get.

    Only now the Tempest-class defies that.
    I still think most of you are blowing this out of proportions.

    I find it's better to blow it out of proportion now and be proved wrong, than to complain when it arrives and hearing people say, "You had your chance to voice your opinion. The ship has sailed."

    There is still the possibility (however slim) that Al might have a change of heart if support is strong enough, early enough.
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    It also shakes my faith in further Fleet ship purchases if they're going to make a habit of surprise upgrades you have to rebuy your ship for.

    Spending what, 9 fleet modules and 40k fleet ec for the same ship twice? I think it's ridiculous that the Fleet Patrol Escort enthusiasts in the game are getting the shaft. Even if they buy the thing with Zen, that's still 2,500 zen and 1 fleet module.

    For the same ship.

    "You bought something, and that's what you still have." isn't really a valid argument when Cryptic consistently upgrades existing ships without this tactic behind it. If anything it sets the precedent that Cryptic will be allowed to force people to pay for ship upgrades whenever they feel a particular ship needs a buff.

    Because they can just point to the Tempest-class and say, "We did it here and it was wildly successful."

    How about those Dyson Secondary deflectors? What's stopping them from charging you twice for your science vessel so you'll get one with a secondary deflector? Would you still be saying, "Well you still have the science vessel and it isn't all bad just because it doesn't have a secondary deflector. They aren't taking anything away from you."

    Welp on Tribble it my old FPE is still the old version. Tried discharging it to reclaim it, no luck there either.

    Hope everyone has fun rebuying all their ships come expansion 2 to gain access to the new secondary deflectors, comm array, and targeting system item slots. All lockbox ships will of course be updated for free although the Cstore 3 packs will be re-released as 'future fit' versions.

    And if anyone doesn't think the above could happen, not saying would but could, your funny.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is what lvl 60 looks like

    Your old gear isnt just different its obsoleted
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    bareel wrote: »
    Welp on Tribble it my old FPE is still the old version. Tried discharging it to reclaim it, no luck there either.

    Hope everyone has fun rebuying all their ships come expansion 2 to gain access to the new secondary deflectors, comm array, and targeting system item slots. All lockbox ships will of course be updated for free although the Cstore 3 packs will be re-released as 'future fit' versions.

    And if anyone doesn't think the above could happen, not saying would but could, your funny.

    You want that Nebula and Vesta buff Al was talking about on Priority One? Well, not to worry. The current Nebula and Vesta will be 'retired', and no longer available. Now you can buy the newly buffed and 'loved' versions.

    But if you don't want your Nebula or Vesta to have a secondary deflector and increased hp/shield modifier, you don't have to get one, and can hold onto the retired ones.

    But if you want them buffed? Open your wallet wide.

    Not saying it will happen, but the Tempest-class introduces it as a possibility.
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2014
    This is what lvl 60 looks like

    Your old gear isnt just different its obsoleted

    LoL level 60 is a lie. We're going to be level 50 for the rest of time, which to be fair isn't much considering only a year has apparently passed in the last four years.
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  • icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    LoL level 60 is a lie. We're going to be level 50 for the rest of time, which to be fair isn't much considering only a year has apparently passed in the last four years.

    Actually, I saw some data mining results that came from when S9 was on Tribble. Someone hunted through the game's HOGG files and found a picture of the blown-up ESD, the Undine lockbox... and references to "Dahar Master", "Fleet Admiral", "Mk XIV", and other things related to the level cap increase. $5 says it's with X2.
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Y'know, a lot of people are sitting here and complaining that they're not going to get the new shininess, that they're just keeping the old broken stuff.

    Here's the thing: the Fleet Patrol Escort has a lot better things than the new Refit. It has four Engineering Console slots over the C-Store's 2 and Fleet's 3. It's not held down by the idea of "Let's add in a new weapon that we can't get rid of." It has a Universal Ensign slot, which means you can fit in three Tac Teams over either two Tac Teams, Two Engi Teams or two Sci teams and we all know how good DPS is here.

    Yes, you guys can't get the new shininess if you've gotten the old one. But, you have a ship that's probably superior in ways the new one isn't.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    First off, beautiful ship. My compliments.

    Second, as a cruiser Captain this is the type of Boff Layout the Dreadnaught Galaxy should've gotten with the dual LtCdr slots with one being a universal. This thing can drop a gravity well, into Rapid Fire 3 by itself. Which is impressive.

    Third, The Tempest Tail Gun is quite fascinating. Would've liked to have seen that with the Phaser Lance, but that would be redundant. I assume the tail gun is permanently a phaser?

    Fourth, Love the Nadion Detonation console, wish it was universal to all ships, but I understand.



    I think that allowing everyone who already owns the Fleet to keep their ship is fair even without upgrading as this is to a degree a new ship, with a new boff layout, enhanced consoles, and an additional permanent weapon, higher hull, and better shields.

    I don't agree with the sentiment that because you bought a top tier ship, that it can't be obsoleted. I appreciate the devs acknowledging reality that once the Refit is out no one is gonna by the original. Aside from the automatic upgrade question the devs also need to answer is the Refit going to be on the same tier Shipyard?
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    icegavel wrote: »
    Actually, I saw some data mining results that came from when S9 was on Tribble. Someone hunted through the game's HOGG files and found a picture of the blown-up ESD, the Undine lockbox... and references to "Dahar Master", "Fleet Admiral", "Mk XIV", and other things related to the level cap increase. $5 says it's with X2.

    I hope you are wrong. :(
  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 920 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    icegavel wrote: »
    Actually, I saw some data mining results that came from when S9 was on Tribble. Someone hunted through the game's HOGG files and found a picture of the blown-up ESD, the Undine lockbox... and references to "Dahar Master", "Fleet Admiral", "Mk XIV", and other things related to the level cap increase. $5 says it's with X2.

    I'll believe it when I see it.

    They pump out 2 Reps with 3 Queues each + 2 single mission FEs a year, maintaining a rotation of rerunning seasonal/weekend events.

    There simply isn't enough content to warrant an expansion. "Here's ten more levels for you to go through over your next 50 runs of ISE, have fun!"

    That's pointless, and idiotic, and adds nothing substantial to the game for anyone.

    So yeah, it's definitely what the future holds.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It's more about the general principle of handling it in this manner, than whether or not we will lose our existing ship. Of course we will continue to have use of our current FPEs, but the fact of it is that if this is happening now then it has a chance to happen for any other ship at any point in time. I don't know about you personally, but frankly this puts me off buying C-Store or Fleet ships in the future for fear that they will become redundant and get an upgraded replacement which I'll then have to buy again to keep up with the additional fire power.

    This right here is what's bothering me.

    This is probably EXACTLY what they're planning on doing. Hell, they've already done it and people are still shelling out money for it. Fleet versions of ships are the exact same ship you usually already have, but with a few tweaked stats. Putting out "Updated" ships to replace unused (because we've just replaced them already) ships is really just another layer of this pricey onion on a stick cryptic is trying to get us all to bite into.

    I've already bought the damned ship. I shouldn't have to buy a slightly better version of it once a year or more or ever. If you want to beef up the ships to go along with your power creep, fine, just update it, or charge us a little in game currency to "Upgrade" the existing ships. Don't TRIBBLE over your players and the fans, just for a little extra money, which won't even go back into this game. Don't turn Star Trek into Champions, though to be honest, i really can't say that what you've turned it into already is too far off. The sheer fact that they haven't addressed this yet is pretty much proof that they don't intend to replace the existing ships. Why should they? They're guaranteed to get money from it. They've already proven that they don't care about the fans or the IP. Why should they bother doing what's right by people that already own the ship?

    Just look at the people that were early adopters to the galaxy-x and the venture. They've already paid the price of the three pack, but do they get that third ship free? Nope. Full $60 for what people can get now for $40. Thanks for being a fan of Galaxy glass. If they introduce a defiant 3 pack or the intrepid as a three pack, it will be the same story their. "Hey, remember when we were selling all those perks for buying the LTS? Well $@#$ you guys, we've already got your money. You ingrates should just be glad to even have an LTS, let alone any perks!" (what ever happened to stormy?)


    Needless to say, while cryptic should do the right thing by fans and by the IP, they won't. They just flat out don't care. They already have your money, and really don't need to worry about anything else, because someone is always going to give them money and that's all they care about.

    Period.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'll believe it when I see it.

    They pump out 2 Reps with 3 Queues each + 2 single mission FEs a year, maintaining a rotation of rerunning seasonal/weekend events.

    There simply isn't enough content to warrant an expansion. "Here's ten more levels for you to go through over your next 50 runs of ISE, have fun!"

    That's pointless, and idiotic, and adds nothing substantial to the game for anyone.

    So yeah, it's definitely what the future holds.

    People said the same thing about the Romulan expansion after datamining said it was going to come. You don't hire developers to work on things like that if there's no plans to implement it. Particularly in that width and breadth. (This is the same thing I said to the naysayers who said that playable Romulans weren't going to come)

    Maybe the expansion has the content needed to progress from Vice Admiral to Fleet Admiral. That's why it might be an expansion and not just a 'regular' season.

    Like the Romulan and KDF content in LoR, Expansion 2 may, in fact, have a very in depth story so you will have story content to play on your way to being a Fleet Admiral.
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  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    icegavel wrote: »
    Actually, I saw some data mining results that came from when S9 was on Tribble. Someone hunted through the game's HOGG files and found a picture of the blown-up ESD, the Undine lockbox... and references to "Dahar Master", "Fleet Admiral", "Mk XIV", and other things related to the level cap increase. $5 says it's with X2.

    I thought that the Dahar Master, Fleet Admiral and Mk XIV items were coded in a long time ago. :confused:
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