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Should the STO storyline eventually overthrow J'mpok?
I am curious what Klingon players think.
J'mpok's rise to power was questionable, maybe even dishonorable, considering his ties to the House of Duras. Does Lady Sirella still seek revenge? Should the player assist his defeat either through personal combat or perhaps assisting another NPC warrior/politician who is loyal to House of Martok?
Would returning the power to House of Martok solidify the Klingon/Federation alliance as it prepares for the Undine and other threats?
This could be an interesting plot twist...maybe even throw in some scandalous intrigue by hinting Section 31 secretly sanctions the overthrow of J'mpok. The section 31 angle could allow fed/rom players to participate in this story idea as well.
Cheers
TJ
I am curious what Klingon players think.
J'mpok's rise to power was questionable, maybe even dishonorable, considering his ties to the House of Duras. Does Lady Sirella still seek revenge? Should the player assist his defeat either through personal combat or perhaps assisting another NPC warrior/politician who is loyal to House of Martok?
Would returning the power to House of Martok solidify the Klingon/Federation alliance as it prepares for the Undine and other threats?
This could be an interesting plot twist...maybe even throw in some scandalous intrigue by hinting Section 31 secretly sanctions the overthrow of J'mpok. The section 31 angle could allow fed/rom players to participate in this story idea as well.
Cheers
TJ
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When he believed Martok to be slow to respond to the Undine threat, he challenged him and took power in the traditional Klingon way.
When the House of Torg's treachery was revealed, he did the honourable thing and dissolved it. In doing so, he showed respect to the House of Martok.
In my estimation, he has been a fine and worthy Chancellor.
And I'm not meaning he is an undine. He seems to act irrational on purpose. As if that entire war was a play to distract someone.
Also, I'd like to mention: According to the Path to 2409 there are no witnesses on how J'mpok killed Martok. They talked in the great hall alone, then J'mpok came out alone and stated he killed Martok.
May be the whole thing is a ruse from the beginning.
Or may be he is an honor less dog.
Or may be he is just a poorly written NPC and I put way to much thought into that...
Nothing in the storyline has ever indicated that J'mpok is incapable of leading the Emprie, nor that he is treacherous or dishonorable. His actions throughout the game are the ones of a standard Klingon given the honor and responsibility of a Chancellor.
Personally, I think J'mpok is doing a good job as far as the Empire is concerned and I don't share the delusions some other people state on the forum against him because they'd rather see Worf or hate him for killing Martok.
Yes, Sirella has declared a vengeance agains his Great House and yet J'mpok sends you (the player) to assist the House of Martok in the storyline. This is an action of a man that serves the Empire first and foremost and follows established rules, otherwise he could easily discard the request.
Furthermore, he has no issues allowing Worf as a gin'tak of the House of Martok the right to present the evidence against the House of Torg, nor has he any issues seing the facts and believing the evidence presented even though it's being presented by members of a Great House that declared vengeance against his House. He has no problem doing right for the Empire and ending the House of Torg, even though Torg was closely related to Ja'rod who is very close to J'mpok.
So no, I don't see a reason for the STO storyline to overthrow J'mpok - the man didn't do anything any other Chancellor wouldn't have done and he seems to have the hang on running the Empire.
And if they make Section 31 involved in overthrowing the Klingon Chancellor, I'll throw up. ****, I think I threw up a little just by thinking about it.
Cryptic writers probably wouldn't do the Section 31 angle because that would put their precious Fed faction in bad light. Having Section 31 involved shows when push comes to shove, the Federation can be just as treacherous as the Tal Shiar. However the Fed covers it's secret treachery under the big smile of benevolence and mutual cooperation.
You could also play a K'mpec type story as well. J'mpok dies of 'natural causes' *cough* causing a power vacuum and ensuing grab. How old is J'mpok. Was he about the same age as Martok? Considering Martok was older than Worf, and Worf appears to be older and grey in game. Would J'mpok be nearing 'natural causes' phase? This power struggle would involve the player, maybe for once STO could give us a non linear story line. The player chooses which House to support.
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Nothing has demonstrated he's capable either. Everything we see about him in Path to 2409 seems to suggest he has some kind of grudge against the Federation in general, well before anyone had a clue about the Undine in the Alpha Quadrant. Moreover, the strategy pursued for the war, territorial claims and harassment raids, seem to have little to do with ferreting out Undine, and more just a traditional war of conquest, and if anything probably assist the Undine in their little Operation Mayhem. Either he's an absolute fool and this IS his way of going after the Undine, in which case he's incapable of learning from recent history (the Dominion War) and completely inflexible on strategy, or the Undine are merely an excuse and the whole point of the war with the Federation is to have a war with the Federation ala B'vat with less ranting. Either way, I've seen nothing from J'mpok to suggest he really knows what he's doing.
And, for those of you who might not have caught it, made Worf's step-daughter the commander of the new Flagship.
I was actually marvelling just the other day how much apparent influance and respect Worf still seems to have within the Empire
damn, that means my romulan can't bitchslap her if she mouthes off at tuvok's upcoming peace summit like she did in dyson joint command at the end of step between stars
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
We might help get to that point, but we, as the player, would never actually kill him. They'd probably come and help in whatever means that is.
That said, I'm neutral about him. He seems decent enough as a leader.
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hence his step-daughter.
she's not related by Blood but there is that Marriage tie.
I've just been trying to figure out how that works out politically, given Worf is part of a different Great House. He's got a biological son, K'Dhan, with Grilka, too, so does that make him, K'Dhan, and Koren members of both Houses?
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You see, I don't interpret it that way. Klingon politics are....different than our own politics.
The way I see it is that J'mpok respects you (the player) as a capable warrior, especially after saving the Seg'pa and uncovering House of Torg's treacherous plot with the Tal'Shiar and he genuinely doesn't want to lose a capable warrior as a result of inner House treachery between the Great Houses. Therefore, he warns you that due to the House of Martok declaring vengeance on his Hosue while he's the Chancellor, there is a chance you'll be opening yourself to the risk of assasinations by other not so influential Houses on Qo'noS that would see killing you as gaining favor for them in the eyes of the Chancellor.
Klingons are known to have an average lifespan of around 120 years, so I don't think he's that old.
However, I always liked the potential of a storyline revolving around the Klingon Great House politics, the bickering and trying to overthrow one another between the Great Houses that could shape the future of the Empire. Sadly, I don't see much interest on Cryptic's side to make things like this happen, especially now after mr.Stahl left the team.
Ah, the typical Federation propaganda. Tell me reginamala, how do you wage a war against alien infiltrators in a strong faction that conventiently sinks it's head in the sand like an ostrich whenever they hear the word "Undine"?
What J'mpok is doing is what any other Klingon would do. This is the reason even Worf left Starfleet and came back to Qo'noS. The Empire knows the Federation to be infested by Undine, therefore considers them as an enemy faction once the Feds. refuse to reckognize and act on the threat. So J'mpok treats them as any other enemy faction and approaches the war as anyone that would approach a war. They go in for territories, therefore trying to decrease the area of potential Undine influence.
You don't seriously think that the Klingons could send a few B'rels in Sol, beam down away teams and with a smile on their faces say "Don't worry, we're just here to pick up Adm.Quinn 'cause he's an Undine. No bad feelings, right Starfleet?"
And all of this is without even mentioning the several Federation betrayals of the alliance with the Klingon Empire.
When presented with evidence of Undine infiltration in the Gorn Hegemony, what did the Federation do? They declared the KDF-Gorn war illegal. While being allied with the Empire.
When Martok saw the opportunity to strike against the RSE, the arch enemy, what did the Federation do? Send in a fleet to protect Romulan space against the Klingons, while being allied with the Empire. This resulted with the destruction of Worf's fleet that was one of the biggest argumets for J'mpok and his followers against Martok. This was the point where Martok's influence started to spiral downhill.
If you know anything about Klingons, these acts of treason by the so called allies are more than enough to start a war against them. The complete ignorance the Federation displays in relation of the Undine infiltration is just the cherry on the top.
I'd actually hate to see Worf becoming Chancellor.
I am of the opinion that J'mpok and the Federation President are likely Undine infiltrators in disguise. I believe that a FE series based on this would probably be the most fantastic one ever. Especially if you have to go solo, one-on-one against the head-of-state.
Possibly the one of your opposing faction.
Think about it - you just demonstrated the highest authority in your opponent's land was a despicable traitor. You have pretty much saved their government, and possibly their society outright, and arguably did so for both factions. You are now a hero by any standards. If you want the war to stop, that's a pretty darn good start.
Plus I think it'd just flat-out be the most awesome boss fight ever. On one of my chars I ordered my away team to stay at the door of B'vat's chamber and went bat'leth to bat'leth against him. It was glorious.
He already was. For about sixty seconds. After he slew the previous head of state. His sole acts of office were to tell everyone in the room to shut up, and that Martok was the next chancellor. Truth be told, probably more productive than a lot of politicians.
That must have been one doozy of a report on Sisko's desk the next day.
I know.
I just feel that would be a good "final" for his character arc in general to reestablish the Klingon/federation alliance as someone who knows both both sides in and out.
And Worf is everything but a federation lackey. He clearly sides with the empires interests. But he would be more capable then anybody else to push that intrests while keeping the alliance.
He's perfect for that role in the STO time in my opinion....
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Koren proably not, as for him and K'dhan I suspect it depends. I bet there are some legal rules for stuff like this. there may have been some sort of "pre-nup" agreement on the whole matter.
That said, if K'dhan is Grilka's sole MALE child. by the laws of sucession he is heir to the house and upon his mother's death would rise to lead the "house of K'dhan"
That said no matter how you slice it they're going to be closely linked to the House of Martok. of course it all depends on a number of factors. after the events of the storyline, the House of Martok's line of sucession is pretty mirky. I mean looking at the house of Martok right now the line of sucession gets pretty Murky. Drex lost his son, so unless he produces a new heir (and he's gonna be under pressure to do so) his line ends. once that happens assuming a house is not dead when it's direct line ends, the leadership passes to... whom?
assuming it's not some cousin we don't know of, and that Worf is legally Martok's adopted brother and thus next in line.. the house eaither passes to K'dhan which could mean the houses could potentially merge. or Alexander's son D'Vak a federation admiral. (this seems unlikely)
Quietly, covertly. I turn K'men loose. The Undine don't even know they're being hunted until its too late, then the only decision is execution or interrogation. Sort of the way BoP pilots hunt, or how Federation Intelligence acts (just ask "T'vix"). But I don't see what, for example, annexing the Archanis sector has anything to do with an Undine hunt beyond J'mpok's personal grudges. If anything, looking for an excuse to attack an ally, even one doesn't much care for them personally, simply because they have something you want, smells of Treachery.
Also, don't call me a propagandist, you smooth-foreheaded milk-drinker.
K'dhan is Alexander from TNG, and D'Vak is a Omega Force officer, not Fed.
k'dhan is worf's second son and alexander's half-brother
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Ah, my apologies.
That's like saying he's a Tatical officer, not a Starfleet officer.
Since Task force omega is a joint operation of KDF and Fed it is not the same.
Still... I think he is strafleet...
he is. I DID do my research
I would disagree. I think, in the aggregate, Worf does not subscribe to the interests of any large political body, but rather, what he feels is right. He likely believes that being on the side of the instigating party of this war is the lesser of two evils. Given his background, that says a lot about how dire things may be getting.
Frankly he's probably a lot more noble and worthy than a lot of noteworthy people on both sides of this conflict.