I would disagree. I think, in the aggregate, Worf does not subscribe to the interests of any large political body, but rather, what he feels is right. He likely believes that being on the side of the instigating party of this war is the lesser of two evils. Given his background, that says a lot about how dire things may be getting.
Frankly he's probably a lot more noble and worthy than a lot of noteworthy people on both sides of this conflict.
Hence why we want Worf for chancellor. His only real problem is that he's too critical of himself, and that can frankly be seen as a good thing. I'd rather have a leader who holds himself to an extremely high standard that he can never meet than one who is utterly convinced he's right all the time.
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
I'd rather have a leader who holds himself to an extremely high standard that he can never meet than one who is utterly convinced he's right all the time.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I am not a fan of Worf , All of his action in the past show that while he strives to be Klingon deep down he just don't have it in him, and as a result always goes back to the feds. I belive he is honorable and will do what he feels is right even if its not always in his own favor, to a point, but when push comes to shove he would default into submission just to save the idea of his ideal Empire. basically he believes in the to big to fail theory, while a true Klingon should believe if it isn't strong enough to stand let it fall.
the Martok character I really liked but I don't have a problem with J'mpok taking over if martok was becoming sluggish in old age.
my biggest issues with all of the leadership is how they are letting ALIEN species gain so much rank in the KLINGON EMPIRE. the other species have a role in the empire that is all fine and dandy but if it were me id treat them all like the romulans no Klingon design ship allowed by aliens over T4 . I mean its a game we gotta let them play but id never allow them top of the line equipment. and why each alien race should have at least 3 ships to choose of their race for end game. I mean listen to zone chat sometimes some of these Aliens bash Klingons so much its like they do not even realize they are in the KLINGON EMPIRE.
The idea of section 31 being involved with a overthrow is terrible, if they want to end the war. This would basically make the Empire a puppet state. while cryptic may like this idea I do not.
now if a Klingon NPC ( NOT A FED PUPPET ) took out J'mpok and passed leadership over to say the Kahless clone whom by now has proven himself in battle ( grethor ) or for that fact the clone himself decides to take out J'pok then fine. Then under new leadership they ally with section 31 to take out the Starfleet Undine infiltrators in exchange to a peace treaty after the threats have been removed then fine.
Leaving MOST of the problems solved Klingons get to save face by taking out the Undine threat at Starfleet. feds get their peace treaty, J'mpok haters get rid of him, people who hold Klingon values stay happy with a traditional justified Takeover of the Empire.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
I would disagree. I think, in the aggregate, Worf does not subscribe to the interests of any large political body, but rather, what he feels is right. He likely believes that being on the side of the instigating party of this war is the lesser of two evils. Given his background, that says a lot about how dire things may be getting.
Frankly he's probably a lot more noble and worthy than a lot of noteworthy people on both sides of this conflict.
Hence why we want Worf for chancellor. His only real problem is that he's too critical of himself, and that can frankly be seen as a good thing. I'd rather have a leader who holds himself to an extremely high standard that he can never meet than one who is utterly convinced he's right all the time.
I'm judging Worf by his actions in the series first.
And here it seems the Empire always came first. During the civil war he quit Starfleet and joined Gowron at the very SECOND he couldn't use his Starfleet position to help the Empire any more. Knowing that he might not be able to return. And his ties to the Empire were thin at this point.
The other way around during "Way of the Warrior": He did refuse to join Gorwon, not because he liked the Federation more but because Gowrons actions were dishonorable and not in the interest of the Empire in his opinion, and we all know he turned out to be right. Arguably Gworons actions were the main cause for the Dominion war which damaged the Empire heavyly.
Now, in the STO timeline Worf.
With Martok still in charge Worf may have spoken as the voice of the federation, but when asked, he essentially: As Federation Ambassador I condemn any military actions against the Gorn. Personally I think war might be unavoidable.
Taking the Federation stand was only a formality.
Later he clearly distanced himself from the Federation, the very same way he distanced himself from the empire during "Way of the warrior": The Federation made obvious mistakes by ignoring the undine thread, the Empire did take it seriously.
Ultimately: He always did what was best, above personal desires. And that is what a good leader does.
And in question he sided with the empire.
I am not a fan of Worf , All of his action in the past show that while he strives to be Klingon deep down he just don't have it in him, and as a result always goes back to the feds. I belive he is honorable and will do what he feels is right even if its not always in his own favor, to a point, but when push comes to shove he would default into submission just to save the idea of his ideal Empire. basically he believes in the to big to fail theory, while a true Klingon should believe if it isn't strong enough to stand let it fall.
Well I disagree for the reasons posted above^^
the Martok character I really liked but I don't have a problem with J'mpok taking over if martok was becoming sluggish in old age.
my biggest issues with all of the leadership is how they are letting ALIEN species gain so much rank in the KLINGON EMPIRE. the other species have a role in the empire that is all fine and dandy but if it were me id treat them all like the romulans no Klingon design ship allowed by aliens over T4 . I mean its a game we gotta let them play but id never allow them top of the line equipment. and why each alien race should have at least 3 ships to choose of their race for end game. I mean listen to zone chat sometimes some of these Aliens bash Klingons so much its like they do not even realize they are in the KLINGON EMPIRE.
The idea of section 31 being involved with a overthrow is terrible, if they want to end the war. This would basically make the Empire a puppet state. while cryptic may like this idea I do not.
now if a Klingon NPC ( NOT A FED PUPPET ) took out J'mpok and passed leadership over to say the Kahless clone whom by now has proven himself in battle ( grethor ) or for that fact the clone himself decides to take out J'pok then fine. Then under new leadership they ally with section 31 to take out the Starfleet Undine infiltrators in exchange to a peace treaty after the threats have been removed then fine.
Leaving MOST of the problems solved Klingons get to save face by taking out the Undine threat at Starfleet. feds get their peace treaty, J'mpok haters get rid of him, people who hold Klingon values stay happy with a traditional justified Takeover of the Empire.
This being a game means waging mechanics versus Story.
The whole inclusion of gorn, nqusican and Orions is just there to have a wider choice of races in the empire, and it would mechanically make no sense to remove the ability to use Klingon ships from a pure gameplay pow.
But honestly, I like the concept. Essentially the Empire is becoming better in building a Federation then the Federation.
I personally would have preferred to add the Romulans to the KDF only instead of adding them half to both. Would have boosted the KDF population significantly and would make a more fun story
And that arch-nemesis thing: There have been Klingon-Romulan alliances before, and Sela, the current empress... at least to some point, attempted to build a new one during TNG, so did the house of Duras which is allied with J'mpok. But that would have troubles to work with the Worf-as-chancellor-concept on the other hand.
J'mpok is a visionary, no need to kill him at all. He made the Empire stronger than its ever been by allowing other races into it. Diversity is strength pure and simple. He gave us the means to finally stand on the same level as the Federation, but without all the hippie sit in luvfest baggage.
J'mpok is a visionary, no need to kill him at all. He made the Empire stronger than its ever been by allowing other races into it. Diversity is strength pure and simple. He gave us the means to finally stand on the same level as the Federation, but without all the hippie sit in luvfest baggage.
diversity is not strength, its a people divided. strength comes from a common goal and mindset, all we have is the enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality , that may work in short term against a single foe but in the end it always bites you in the TRIBBLE. ( 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 and 5 all this is just using the same idea that the devs used when they didn't allow romulans to use kdf t5 ships, it should hold for the other species as well.
all these alien species now in the empire should be thought of as what they truly are, cannon fodder.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Sorry, but that didn't work for the TRIBBLE, don't think it'll work for the Empire. Speaking of Empires, why do you think Rome made it as long as it did? Diversity. They didn't turn the conquered into "cannon fodder", they made them citizens. If they'd have cleaned up their succession issues they might still be around today.
I think there's several issues that get muddled together:
1. His rise to power was questionable. We don't know if it was honourable combat, that's not to say it wasn't. We don't know.
2. He is more heavy handed than Martok. Does that make him evil or dishonourable? No. He has different politics, more in line with a more traditional Klingon Empire. Is that bad for the other powers? Yes
3. He appears to have the Empire's interests to heart. He moved on the Undine issue. Fast. His aggressive actions appear to reflect his views that the best way to prepare is for the Klingon Empire to be a strong military power again.
Personally, he appears to be the right thing for the Empire and for the quadrant as the leader of the Empire. He worked quickly in confronting the Undine threat, picking apart the first bit of the web the powers have found themselves caught in. He recognises threats and strengths to the Empire. Keeping assets such as Worf to hand. While I don't 'like' J'mpok as much as Martok, he's meant to be a very different type of leader, and I think he's a good one for the Empire.
The main problems seem to be personal and Federation bias. Based on how we saw Martok's rise to power and he was made quite a likeable character, so ending in such a way has coloured us against J'mpok. Federation bias comes amidst accusations of warmongering. But to me, the Federation's failure to act forced his hand as he saw the threats emerging.
If J'mpok is not an Undine spy, he is still the best servitor they or the iconians could ever had hoped for.
He kills Martok, the anchor of stability within the empire, leads the Empire to the edge of civil war, allows the Orion Syndicate to infiltrate all ranks of the klingon hierarchy, ultimately surrendering de facto control of the Empire to foreign thugs. At the same time he breaks every possible pact or alliance, installs disloyal and untrustworthy mercs in core positions of the KDF, and brings war on former Allies to further erode the military capacities of every major Faction, including the Klingon Empire itself.
The Undine now actually attacking shows how successfully he was at destabilizing the quadrant to make it ripe for an invasion.
Getting rid of him would be the best thing to happen.
If J'mpok is not an Undine spy, he is still the best servitor they or the iconians could ever had hoped for.
He kills Martok, the anchor of stability within the empire, leads the Empire to the edge of civil war, allows the Orion Syndicate to infiltrate all ranks of the klingon hierarchy, ultimately surrendering de facto control of the Empire to foreign thugs. At the same time he breaks every possible pact or alliance, installs disloyal and untrustworthy mercs in core positions of the KDF, and brings war on former Allies to further erode the military capacities of every major Faction, including the Klingon Empire itself.
The Undine now actually attacking shows how successfully he was at destabilizing the quadrant to make it ripe for an invasion.
Getting rid of him would be the best thing to happen.
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Worf is not fit for a Klingon Chancellor. Even he was aware of this himself.
I think the Empire has Worf right where they need him - as a worthy and respected advisor that can provide much insight and advice in many areas. He's right there, he was sent as a representative on New Romulus when the Gateway was powered up for the first time and he just lead the team that designed the KDF's newest formidable spaceship.
As for leading the Empire? No, because I believe that it takes much more to be the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire and survive long enough to tell the story besides believing in tradition and having the basic Klignon values within you.
Klingon politics are a real ***** and being someone that spent the majority of your life serving in Starfleet, even though you've always done right by the Empire, does not bode well.
Worf is not fit for a Klingon Chancellor. Even he was aware of this himself.
All we have is Worf's own word, 34 years ago no less, that he's unfit to be chancellor. Characters can be wrong, and as I said on the last page he's his own worst critic and I frankly think that makes him more fit to be chancellor.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
All we have is Worf's own word, 34 years ago no less, that he's unfit to be chancellor. Characters can be wrong, and as I said on the last page he's his own worst critic and I frankly think that makes him more fit to be chancellor.
I was referring more to the other points I made. A person like Worf won't have a single day of peace in his reign, he will be constantly challenged and at worst it may divide the Empire and ignite another civil war.
It's worth noting the Klingonization seems to be working, non-Klingon KDF memebrs seem to be happy and talk about honor etc.
They might interpret it slightly differntly but they're coming around.
The KDF seems to be ASSIMILATING the non-Klingons
If that's the explanation it's happened too fast to be plausible. Why is my Lethean banging on about glory and honor when according to the flavor text for his species he's in it for the latinum? That speaks to nothing more than pathetic writing coordination.
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LOL like the TRIBBLE that's right out of a liberal playbook. start calling anything you disagree with a TRIBBLE.
Rome made people citizens and slaves. there were many reasons why Rome fell, primarily it was its welfare system and taxation. any citizen other than the ones they actually considered Romans was taxed to pay for the fat lazy romans to not have to do anything. as the Empire started to fall apart they could not sustain themselves.
In the links I provided before you can just replace some of the names and words for terms used in the game. you can see direct correlations to the games fleet system.
Like minded people will work well with each other , while those that differ have vastly different priorities do not. Sure let them fight WITH us, but Not lead.
LOL like the TRIBBLE that's right out of a liberal playbook. start calling anything you disagree with a TRIBBLE.
Rome made people citizens and slaves. their were many reasons why Rome fell, primarily it was its welfare system and taxation. any citizen other than the ones they actually considered Romans was taxed to pay for the fat lazy romans to not have to do anything. as the Empire started to fall apart they could not sustain themselves.
In the links I provided before you can just replace some of the names and words for terms used in the game. you can see direct correlations to the games fleet system.
Like minded people will work well with each other , while those that differ have vastly different priorities. Sure let them fight WITH us, but Not lead.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Sorry, but that didn't work for the TRIBBLE, don't think it'll work for the Empire. Speaking of Empires, why do you think Rome made it as long as it did? Diversity. They didn't turn the conquered into "cannon fodder", they made them citizens. If they'd have cleaned up their succession issues they might still be around today.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
LOL like the TRIBBLE that's right out of a liberal playbook. start calling anything you disagree with a TRIBBLE.
Rome made people citizens and slaves. there were many reasons why Rome fell, primarily it was its welfare system and taxation. any citizen other than the ones they actually considered Romans was taxed to pay for the fat lazy romans to not have to do anything. as the Empire started to fall apart they could not sustain themselves.
I'll say it; I'm a Monarchist, a Corporatist, a Fascist, and a Polytheist ("Up your kilt."-Montgomery Scott).
The idea of a welfare state, and the resulting tax policy, is not itself a recipe for economic collapse. The abuse of said policy, is.
Anyways, J'mpok is the best Chancellor that the Klingon Empire can have right now. I would even have House Torg at the helm before House Mogh or House Martok.
p.s. The way you think of slavery, it seems that you have been taught to the contemporary version. In the classical world, slaves has the possibilty to attain freedom (unlike what slavery is and has been for the past several hundred years).
By opening Leadership and access to REAL POWER to client races of the Empire, it reinforces loyalty. The Human philosopher Machiavelli noted that one of the easiest ways to prevent a peasant revolution against the State led by local lords, is for the State to Arm the Peasants.
Y'see, Oppressed People don't resist invaders. In a way, what he is doing is Klingonizing the Orions, the Gorn, the Letheans and the Nausicaans (and anyone else in the Empire's sphere of influence).
Going with Earth history, J'Mpok is shifting from a Sparta model to a Roman, Russian, or British model (more British than Russian-Kahless holds no real legislative power-of-decree, and the Chancellor still has to answer to the High Council).
Klingonizing the Orions? Didn't know that enslaving prisoners was a klingon tradition. And wherever a few Gorn come together, another uprising starts.
Comparing the Klingon with the British Empire is also highly misleading: Britain never gave away control of their military or administration.
The Gorn Hegemony was under control of a hostile alien presence intent on conquest. The Federation, based on their actions, is ALSO under control by an outside invader.
Teh same one. It's a case of fight the invader NOW, or fall to them LATER.
Fighting them NOW prevents them from being able to fully exploit their position, and enables that 'former ally' time and a chance to waken and realize what's really going on, and take action to save themselves.
Strategically, it's the right move-the threat is confirmed, it's real, yet the Federation ignores it. (play the story missions fed-side, one of the top admirals turns out to be Undine, not a second of follow-up on that to be had-the feds ignored the incident...)
J'mpok provoked the war with the Romulans, and threatened both Gorn and Federation with invasion - long before the first Undine was spotted.
And even if we follow the idea of J'mpok hunting Undine infiltrators: During Cold War countless Spies were spotted, and even more accusations were made, yet the NATO countries didn't declare war upon each other in order to hunt those Spies down.
Domestic policies part 2: Sirella. House Martok is at feud with J'mPok...yet he sends a crack team of warriors to assist them, and sees to the discommendation of House Torg. This was on it's face a case of acting against his own interest, at least, prior to the revelation of Torg's Romulan entanglements, but it speaks to his actions as a Statesman.
He placed the good of the Empire over the good of his own House and their political allies-this makes him a dangerous sort for an enemy that uses infiltration and subversion and manipulation to prepare a target for invasion and/or eventual conquest.
House of Torg outlived their usefulness for J'mpok and started to become a problem for him and his regime, getting rid of them was just logical. Sirella and House of Matrok unintentional offered him the chance to cut a loose end.
I rather suspect that in that private duel, more talking was done than fighting. Martok was getting old, and may not have been the leader needed to do what needed to be done. That he consented to duel in private instead of with witnesses indicates a death-wish at worst, or a sincere trust in J'mpok's Honourable nature, and if there were secrets that needed to be kept from dissemination in the hand-over...
There is no indication to come to this conclusion. All we know is that J'mpok claims to have taken over by a fair duel, yet there is no prove for that. It all boils down to seeing J'mpok as honourable, trustworthy Klingon to belief his story - and possibly committing to the same misjudgement that led Martok in that private room and to his death.
J'mpok provoked the war with the Romulans, and threatened both Gorn and Federation with invasion - long before the first Undine was spotted.
And even if we follow the idea of J'mpok hunting Undine infiltrators: During Cold War countless Spies were spotted, and even more accusations were made, yet the NATO countries didn't declare war upon each other in order to hunt those Spies down.
Actually, Martok started the war with the Romulans. The claim that J'mpok provoked the war with the RSE is false.
And the Gorn are first mentioned in STO after the Undine are discovered by the Letheans on Qo'noS. After the Undine infiltrators in the House of Konjah were aprehended and brought before J'mpok and the High Council, Ja'rod was called in the Chancellor's chamber and afterwards he vanished from the radar with his ship for a while, before returning from the undercover reconaissance mission in Gorn space to confirm that the Undine had taken over the Gorn Hegemony.
That's when he started the invasion of the Gorn. The claim that J'pok threatened the Gorn before that is false.
While the KDF-Gorn war lasted, the Federation and the KDF were still allies. The Federation even organized several peace conferences between the Empire and the Hegemony in order to mediate a peacefull solution. After those negotiations failed for the last time, the Federation Council declared the KDF-Gorn war to be illegal and that's when things started going downhill between the Empire and the Federation.
So the claim that he threatened the Federation before the Undine were exposed is also false.
And LMAO!!! :P Are you really trying to compare relations between completely alien species on an interstellar scale in the 25-th century, that are experiencing infiltrations by another shapeshifting alien species from another dimension with the cold war and hunting spies between NATO & USSR??
LOL
House of Torg outlived their usefulness for J'mpok and started to become a problem for him and his regime, getting rid of them was just logical. Sirella and House of Matrok unintentional offered him the chance to cut a loose end.
As you're probably aware by now, J'mpok's rise to power was supported by the House of Duras. Also, from everything we have seen in game, Ja'rod is more or less J'mpok's right hand man in almost every affair. Their two Great Houses are tied very closely together.
While the House of Duras was banished, Torg took Ja'rod under his own wing and enabled him to prosper and grow into the warrior that he is today. Torg was like a father to Ja'rod.
The decision to banish the House of Torg was not an easy one for J'mpok personally, but he did right for the Emprie. As he is shown to always do throughout the entire game.
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Hence why we want Worf for chancellor. His only real problem is that he's too critical of himself, and that can frankly be seen as a good thing. I'd rather have a leader who holds himself to an extremely high standard that he can never meet than one who is utterly convinced he's right all the time.
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Well, that counts me out.
Damn, you had my vote
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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the Martok character I really liked but I don't have a problem with J'mpok taking over if martok was becoming sluggish in old age.
my biggest issues with all of the leadership is how they are letting ALIEN species gain so much rank in the KLINGON EMPIRE. the other species have a role in the empire that is all fine and dandy but if it were me id treat them all like the romulans no Klingon design ship allowed by aliens over T4 . I mean its a game we gotta let them play but id never allow them top of the line equipment. and why each alien race should have at least 3 ships to choose of their race for end game. I mean listen to zone chat sometimes some of these Aliens bash Klingons so much its like they do not even realize they are in the KLINGON EMPIRE.
The idea of section 31 being involved with a overthrow is terrible, if they want to end the war. This would basically make the Empire a puppet state. while cryptic may like this idea I do not.
now if a Klingon NPC ( NOT A FED PUPPET ) took out J'mpok and passed leadership over to say the Kahless clone whom by now has proven himself in battle ( grethor ) or for that fact the clone himself decides to take out J'pok then fine. Then under new leadership they ally with section 31 to take out the Starfleet Undine infiltrators in exchange to a peace treaty after the threats have been removed then fine.
Leaving MOST of the problems solved Klingons get to save face by taking out the Undine threat at Starfleet. feds get their peace treaty, J'mpok haters get rid of him, people who hold Klingon values stay happy with a traditional justified Takeover of the Empire.
I'm judging Worf by his actions in the series first.
And here it seems the Empire always came first. During the civil war he quit Starfleet and joined Gowron at the very SECOND he couldn't use his Starfleet position to help the Empire any more. Knowing that he might not be able to return. And his ties to the Empire were thin at this point.
The other way around during "Way of the Warrior": He did refuse to join Gorwon, not because he liked the Federation more but because Gowrons actions were dishonorable and not in the interest of the Empire in his opinion, and we all know he turned out to be right. Arguably Gworons actions were the main cause for the Dominion war which damaged the Empire heavyly.
Now, in the STO timeline Worf.
With Martok still in charge Worf may have spoken as the voice of the federation, but when asked, he essentially: As Federation Ambassador I condemn any military actions against the Gorn. Personally I think war might be unavoidable.
Taking the Federation stand was only a formality.
Later he clearly distanced himself from the Federation, the very same way he distanced himself from the empire during "Way of the warrior": The Federation made obvious mistakes by ignoring the undine thread, the Empire did take it seriously.
Ultimately: He always did what was best, above personal desires. And that is what a good leader does.
And in question he sided with the empire.
Well I disagree for the reasons posted above^^
This being a game means waging mechanics versus Story.
The whole inclusion of gorn, nqusican and Orions is just there to have a wider choice of races in the empire, and it would mechanically make no sense to remove the ability to use Klingon ships from a pure gameplay pow.
But honestly, I like the concept. Essentially the Empire is becoming better in building a Federation then the Federation.
I personally would have preferred to add the Romulans to the KDF only instead of adding them half to both. Would have boosted the KDF population significantly and would make a more fun story
And that arch-nemesis thing: There have been Klingon-Romulan alliances before, and Sela, the current empress... at least to some point, attempted to build a new one during TNG, so did the house of Duras which is allied with J'mpok. But that would have troubles to work with the Worf-as-chancellor-concept on the other hand.
diversity is not strength, its a people divided. strength comes from a common goal and mindset, all we have is the enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality , that may work in short term against a single foe but in the end it always bites you in the TRIBBLE. ( 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 and 5 all this is just using the same idea that the devs used when they didn't allow romulans to use kdf t5 ships, it should hold for the other species as well.
all these alien species now in the empire should be thought of as what they truly are, cannon fodder.
1. His rise to power was questionable. We don't know if it was honourable combat, that's not to say it wasn't. We don't know.
2. He is more heavy handed than Martok. Does that make him evil or dishonourable? No. He has different politics, more in line with a more traditional Klingon Empire. Is that bad for the other powers? Yes
3. He appears to have the Empire's interests to heart. He moved on the Undine issue. Fast. His aggressive actions appear to reflect his views that the best way to prepare is for the Klingon Empire to be a strong military power again.
Personally, he appears to be the right thing for the Empire and for the quadrant as the leader of the Empire. He worked quickly in confronting the Undine threat, picking apart the first bit of the web the powers have found themselves caught in. He recognises threats and strengths to the Empire. Keeping assets such as Worf to hand. While I don't 'like' J'mpok as much as Martok, he's meant to be a very different type of leader, and I think he's a good one for the Empire.
The main problems seem to be personal and Federation bias. Based on how we saw Martok's rise to power and he was made quite a likeable character, so ending in such a way has coloured us against J'mpok. Federation bias comes amidst accusations of warmongering. But to me, the Federation's failure to act forced his hand as he saw the threats emerging.
He kills Martok, the anchor of stability within the empire, leads the Empire to the edge of civil war, allows the Orion Syndicate to infiltrate all ranks of the klingon hierarchy, ultimately surrendering de facto control of the Empire to foreign thugs. At the same time he breaks every possible pact or alliance, installs disloyal and untrustworthy mercs in core positions of the KDF, and brings war on former Allies to further erode the military capacities of every major Faction, including the Klingon Empire itself.
The Undine now actually attacking shows how successfully he was at destabilizing the quadrant to make it ripe for an invasion.
Getting rid of him would be the best thing to happen.
To quote:
"And who's gonna lead us?! YOU?!" -Alexander Marcus
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I think the Empire has Worf right where they need him - as a worthy and respected advisor that can provide much insight and advice in many areas. He's right there, he was sent as a representative on New Romulus when the Gateway was powered up for the first time and he just lead the team that designed the KDF's newest formidable spaceship.
As for leading the Empire? No, because I believe that it takes much more to be the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire and survive long enough to tell the story besides believing in tradition and having the basic Klignon values within you.
Klingon politics are a real ***** and being someone that spent the majority of your life serving in Starfleet, even though you've always done right by the Empire, does not bode well.
All we have is Worf's own word, 34 years ago no less, that he's unfit to be chancellor. Characters can be wrong, and as I said on the last page he's his own worst critic and I frankly think that makes him more fit to be chancellor.
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I was referring more to the other points I made. A person like Worf won't have a single day of peace in his reign, he will be constantly challenged and at worst it may divide the Empire and ignite another civil war.
They might interpret it slightly differntly but they're coming around.
The KDF seems to be ASSIMILATING the non-Klingons
If that's the explanation it's happened too fast to be plausible. Why is my Lethean banging on about glory and honor when according to the flavor text for his species he's in it for the latinum? That speaks to nothing more than pathetic writing coordination.
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Rome made people citizens and slaves. there were many reasons why Rome fell, primarily it was its welfare system and taxation. any citizen other than the ones they actually considered Romans was taxed to pay for the fat lazy romans to not have to do anything. as the Empire started to fall apart they could not sustain themselves.
Makes me wonder if some people just want to put their feelings about things as an absolute rather than really looking at the problems.
In the links I provided before you can just replace some of the names and words for terms used in the game. you can see direct correlations to the games fleet system.
Like minded people will work well with each other , while those that differ have vastly different priorities do not. Sure let them fight WITH us, but Not lead.
watch this.
What the heck are you banging on about?
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Sorry that was a response to this guy. the quote didn't take last time for some reason
I'll say it; I'm a Monarchist, a Corporatist, a Fascist, and a Polytheist ("Up your kilt."-Montgomery Scott).
The idea of a welfare state, and the resulting tax policy, is not itself a recipe for economic collapse. The abuse of said policy, is.
Anyways, J'mpok is the best Chancellor that the Klingon Empire can have right now. I would even have House Torg at the helm before House Mogh or House Martok.
p.s. The way you think of slavery, it seems that you have been taught to the contemporary version. In the classical world, slaves has the possibilty to attain freedom (unlike what slavery is and has been for the past several hundred years).
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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i'm sure that will work well for the empire...
okayyy now you're just crazy...
Wrong.
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Comparing the Klingon with the British Empire is also highly misleading: Britain never gave away control of their military or administration.
J'mpok provoked the war with the Romulans, and threatened both Gorn and Federation with invasion - long before the first Undine was spotted.
And even if we follow the idea of J'mpok hunting Undine infiltrators: During Cold War countless Spies were spotted, and even more accusations were made, yet the NATO countries didn't declare war upon each other in order to hunt those Spies down.
House of Torg outlived their usefulness for J'mpok and started to become a problem for him and his regime, getting rid of them was just logical. Sirella and House of Matrok unintentional offered him the chance to cut a loose end.
There is no indication to come to this conclusion. All we know is that J'mpok claims to have taken over by a fair duel, yet there is no prove for that. It all boils down to seeing J'mpok as honourable, trustworthy Klingon to belief his story - and possibly committing to the same misjudgement that led Martok in that private room and to his death.
Actually, Martok started the war with the Romulans. The claim that J'mpok provoked the war with the RSE is false.
And the Gorn are first mentioned in STO after the Undine are discovered by the Letheans on Qo'noS. After the Undine infiltrators in the House of Konjah were aprehended and brought before J'mpok and the High Council, Ja'rod was called in the Chancellor's chamber and afterwards he vanished from the radar with his ship for a while, before returning from the undercover reconaissance mission in Gorn space to confirm that the Undine had taken over the Gorn Hegemony.
That's when he started the invasion of the Gorn. The claim that J'pok threatened the Gorn before that is false.
While the KDF-Gorn war lasted, the Federation and the KDF were still allies. The Federation even organized several peace conferences between the Empire and the Hegemony in order to mediate a peacefull solution. After those negotiations failed for the last time, the Federation Council declared the KDF-Gorn war to be illegal and that's when things started going downhill between the Empire and the Federation.
So the claim that he threatened the Federation before the Undine were exposed is also false.
And LMAO!!!
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As you're probably aware by now, J'mpok's rise to power was supported by the House of Duras. Also, from everything we have seen in game, Ja'rod is more or less J'mpok's right hand man in almost every affair. Their two Great Houses are tied very closely together.
While the House of Duras was banished, Torg took Ja'rod under his own wing and enabled him to prosper and grow into the warrior that he is today. Torg was like a father to Ja'rod.
The decision to banish the House of Torg was not an easy one for J'mpok personally, but he did right for the Emprie. As he is shown to always do throughout the entire game.
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Feds and KDF aren't fighting each other by that point, they are fighting side by side.
With that thought, you could say it's pretty much ended even earlier in the story line than that really.
Plus with the way the last bit of story content ended, it sounds like the war may formally be ended or at least a cease fire agreed on.
Really the whole war was based (started) because they (Cryptic) wanted (needed) a Fed vs. KDF conflict for PvP and not so much for epic storytelling.
These are my merely opinions, actually mileage may vary... :cool:
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