If gateway technology is plausible to instantaneously send a person across the galaxy, then why is it not plausible to send a dyson sphere using the same technology?
And still it is much more unrealistic to artificially build one in the first place then to move an object of that size & mass....
And the biggest fun of all that: Faster then light traveling, base for all of that, is even more unrealistic...
Actually, faster than light travel is possible. It's known that people like Miguel Alcubierre (the physicist that discovered the formula) and Harold White (improved on it to use less energy) have discovered a possible method for such a thing.
And a Dyson sphere is a real theoretical concept, but it's nothing like what is in STO. A real Dyson sphere would be an array of solar collectors that surround an entire star. To make a solid object as large as the sphere in STO would require more matter than there is in existence, much less two of them.
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It's a Dyson Sphere. That's not entirely fictional. It's based on real life scientific theories.
Freeman Dyson hypothesized a megastructure consisting of a system of orbiting solar power satellites encompassing a star, he made no mention of this structure having a solid shell, that was an extremely implausible variation that others came up with and in fact Dyson doesn't like his name being attached to the concept.
I find it laughable that in a science fiction venue that throws plausible science out the window from the outset, we have people arguing about the capabilities of something that may not ever exist and that we currently couldn't begin to imagine how to create. Any science sufficiently advanced would appear as magic and who are we to say that the Iconians who can open ship sized dimensional portals between galaxies, don't have the technology to the jump a Dyson sphere 50,000 lightyears.
The Undine getting the sphere give them a staging ground in our universe, the Iconian gate easy access to the Alpha quadrant and thanks to our actions unlocking the system in Sphere of Influence, if they can learn to control their gate they could be attacking anywhere.
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Actually, faster than light travel is possible. It's known that people like Miguel Alcubierre (the physicist that discovered the formula) and Harold White (improved on it to use less energy) have discovered a possible method for such a thing.
And a Dyson sphere is a real theoretical concept, but it's nothing like what is in STO. A real Dyson sphere would be an array of solar collectors that surround an entire star. To make a solid object as large as the sphere in STO would require more matter than there is in existence, much less two of them.
That would be new to me and.... question every scientific law I know about.
Freeman Dyson hypothesized a megastructure consisting of a system of orbiting solar power satellites encompassing a star, he made no mention of this structure having a solid shell, that was an extremely implausible variation that others came up with and in fact Dyson doesn't like his name being attached to the concept.
I find it laughable that in a science fiction venue that throws plausible science out the window from the outset, we have people arguing about the capabilities of something that may not ever exist and that we currently couldn't begin to imagine how to create. Any science sufficiently advanced would appear as magic and who are we to say that the Iconians who can open ship sized dimensional portals between galaxies, don't have the technology to the jump a Dyson sphere 50,000 lightyears.
The Undine getting the sphere give them a staging ground in our universe, the Iconian gate easy access to the Alpha quadrant and thanks to our actions unlocking the system in Sphere of Influence, if they can learn to control their gate they could be attacking anywhere.
May it be so.
The real question is: could something like the ST-Dyson sphere EXIST?
Could a stable shell arround a star in the exact right distance to make it habitable EXIST?
If yes it can be build. Not by us, obviously.
But when thinking about Alien races we should not limit our view of "what can be build" to "what can we imagine Humans could ever build".
And every object is space can be moved. Actually every object in space does move.
So, again:
Assuming a Dyson sphere can be build
Assuming FTL-travel is possible
= Moving a Dysons sphere faster then light is, generally, possible.
And if it is GENERALLY possible, that means that it is POSSIBLE that someone is capable of doing so.
while im not upset at the notion of a dyson sphere space fold , which in my mind what the jenolan sphere did . i would think that the changes in gravity and other forces would have been detected by the different Unities of the alpha quadrant .
in ST generations the destruction of stars showed a change in gravity and caused starships to recalculate coarse based on these events . it even changed the coarse of the ribbon .
cause and effect . there is none of this that i can see with the event mentioned in the FE .
this to me leaves a hole in the story telling . of why didnt anyone realize the localized change in the jenolan sphere area? i mean someone would have noticed .
If Omega particles are what is used to make the jump, the Enterprise D never detected any at the jenolan sphere .so did it make its jump based on using its Star ? its these kind of inconsistency's that can ruin the sci fi immersion .
You are making assumptions about the Jenolan Sphere w/o any basis. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So why did the Enterprise-D not detect any Omega Particles in the Jenolan Sphere. The Sphere was not generating any Omega because it had a full storage cells. And the Solanae has Omega storage cells which render Omega undetectable to Federation sensors. And in the 40 years of studying the Jenolan Sphere, the Federation never came across the Omega Storage cells nor Space Fold engines. That explains the supposed problem and the plot remains internally consistent.
Hopefully Cryptic will throw us a bone in part 2 or have some lore stuff in Season 9. There were clues about the Space Folding littered about in the Sphere zones and DOFF assignments if you got Crtical successes.
You are making assumptions about the Jenolan Sphere w/o any basis. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So why did the Enterprise-D not detect any Omega Particles in the Jenolan Sphere. The Sphere was not generating any Omega because it had a full storage cells. And the Solanae has Omega storage cells which render Omega undetectable to Federation sensors. And in the 40 years of studying the Jenolan Sphere, the Federation never came across the Omega Storage cells or Space Fold engines.
..or......
It has already had its Omega generating engines destroyed and is now stuck where it is.
When you completely enclose a star, you essentially have a gigantic nuclear reactor core. You need a way to cool that core, or it melts down. There's only three ways to do this. Either with ambient temperature, convection, or with a liquid. Since the sphere is completely enclosed, and internal temperature will only continue to rise, the ambient condition is eliminated. There's no air in space, and conditions inside the sphere are not conducive to arboreal life, so convection is out. There is no massive reservoir/piping system present, so liquid cooling is eliminated. Ergo, internal temperature inside the sphere would simply continue to rise, until the sphere melted away, leaving the radioactive core (the star) exposed. There wouldn't be any facilities making omega particles inside it, and there most certainly would not be any carbon based life forms walking around inside it. Face it, Dyson Spheres are a stupid idea.
First vacuum between the star and the habitat zone.
Second use excess heat as power. (converting the heat to another form and thus removing it. Rather the point of the dyson sphere.)
Third. We are going to talk about how to cool the inside of an area the size of earth's orbit. But the fact that you can control an antimatter reaction by putting it in a crystal is fine?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
When you completely enclose a star, you essentially have a gigantic nuclear reactor core. You need a way to cool that core, or it melts down. There's only three ways to do this. Either with ambient temperature, convection, or with a liquid. Since the sphere is completely enclosed, and internal temperature will only continue to rise, the ambient condition is eliminated. There's no air in space, and conditions inside the sphere are not conducive to arboreal life, so convection is out. There is no massive reservoir/piping system present, so liquid cooling is eliminated. Ergo, internal temperature inside the sphere would simply continue to rise, until the sphere melted away, leaving the radioactive core (the star) exposed. There wouldn't be any facilities making omega particles inside it, and there most certainly would not be any carbon based life forms walking around inside it. Face it, Dyson Spheres are a stupid idea.
A piece of bare metal in space, under constant sunlight can get as hot as two-hundred-sixty (260) degrees Celsius. This is dangerous to astronauts who have to work outside the station.
If they need to handle bare metal, they wrap it in special coatings or blankets to protect themselves.
And yet, in the shade, an object will cool down to below -100 degrees Celsius.....
*snip*
Clouds of gas and dust between the stars within our galaxy are only 10 to 20 degrees above absolute zero..
So, while the inside may warm up, the outside will be cold, very very cold with no warmth from any star at all - I'm sure if you have the tech to build a Dyson Sphere, you understand how to use this bit of info to cool it down
There isn't a vacuum inside the sphere, it's an enclosed space, remember? It's gonna fill up with steam, carbon dioxide, and other byproducts of hydrogen/helium combustion. Now that I think about it, this would build pressure within the sphere, so even if it didn't melt down, it would certainly explode.
So you are saying they pressurized a space 186,000,000 miles in diameter? And that there is full air pressure the whole way from habitat to solar surface?
The safest and sanest solution is to actually only put a handful of miles of air over the habitat and leave the remaining space as vacuum.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Funny, I don't remember any mention of blowoff valves. As far as I know you have to take a warp gate to get into the thing. Also, if this valve actuated, it most certainly would do irreparable structural damage to any machinery inside it, and kill any creatures not already dead from the intense heat and pressure. Probably suck the corona of the star and flash burn everything inside.
So you are saying they pressurized a space 186,000,000 miles in diameter? And that there is full air pressure the whole way from habitat to solar surface?
The safest and sanest solution is to actually only put a handful of miles of air over the habitat and leave the remaining space as vacuum.
Which is clearly the case in these spheres. There's atmospheric friction affecting speed and maneuvering near the surface, but not in maps that don't have the "floor" in them, where you're out in the open space inside the sphere.
Funny, I don't remember any mention of blowoff valves.
Funny, I don't remember any mention of a space station on the sun or a jump drive, but funny enough they found it eventually. When something is A. immense beyond any capability to map, B. complex beyond any understanding, I think you can forgive a non-expert from missing a few details.
As far as I know you have to take a warp gate to get into the thing. Also, if this valve actuated, it most certainly would do irreparable structural damage to any machinery inside it, and kill any creatures not already dead from the intense heat and pressure. Probably suck the corona of the star and flash burn everything inside.
If it were actuated in the same way as a steam valve, sure. But the point of a safety system is that it's meant to be safe. If you're controlling the temperature in a boiler, you vent it when it gets dangerously hot. When you're dealing with the temperature in your house, you open a window when it gets uncomfortable, you don't wait until the pressure blows the windows out.
One of the ways Dyson himself tried to handle the accumulation of heat before disregarding the solid shell as implausible was artificial gravity wells or planetary massed singularities orbiting inside the sphere, which could effectively act as near-infinite heat sinks (they would grow over time, but the star would burn out long before they could threaten the star or the sphere). Both of these things are old hat for Star Trek, you don't even need Iconian technology to generate a gravity well far larger than the available mass.
The easier option is to simply not make use of all the energy and radiate excess and waste off the outer surface of the sphere or through doors as it accumulates (granted this is incompatible with the STO and TNG descriptions of the spheres radiating "almost no energy on the outside.")
Something Dyson never considered was teleportation and direct linking of different areas of space and their abilities to redirect energy to other locations. With Iconian gateway technology they could dump it pretty much anywhere - into another sphere, into a black hole, through another generator to wring the last usable energy from it, onto an enemy's homeworld...
No. I'm saying that 186,000,000 miles would fill up with superheated steam and carbon dioxide. I don't think you understand "air". Specifically, where it comes from, and how it works.
And a few of us don't think you know how A) Star Trek works or That any race capable of building such a thing, would take your concerns in to account and build the thing accordingly.
Just because the mission writers didn't hold your hand through the tech specs of a Dyson sphere, does not make it impossible.
Gravity forms from the magnetic reactions of particles spinning around and crashing into each other. This also creates heat, and fusion, which eventually leads to the process of accretion. Once a gravity well is established in three dimensional space, it pulls everything toward it's center with equal force, it's why planets, and stars are spheres, and not cubes. It's why atmospheres are not called atmocubes. Heavier particles sink lower in the gravity well, while lighter ones float on top. That's why "air" sits on top of "land". Oxygen molecules, although very light, have mass and are subject to the laws of gravity. Space is not a total vacuum, it's actually full of particles, including oxygen. It's referred to as a vacuum because of a lack of breathable oxygen.
Trying to look cleaver, in a world with force fields, gravity plating and singularities used for power does not work.
Gravity plating and force fields can be used to hold a breathable atmosphere to the inner wall of the sphere and I've already explained about the pressure and others stated it is still a vacuum inside the sphere once you move away from the inner wall.
Air, unlike water, can be compressed. So unless you build "a few miles up" forcefield all the way around the inside of the sphere,
Or if you rotate the sphere to create centrifugal force equal to the desired gravity (gravity is a force like all others, and air is affected by all others. A significantly strong centrifuge will produce near vacuum at its center). Or, since this is Star Trek and artificially generating gravity is so easy that even with no power a ship doesn't immediately lose it without damage to the system itself, just do that.
Once you've got that much in place, solar wind will actually help keep it in place - with a spherical planet, molecules that diffuse too high in the atmosphere are at risk of being swept outward from the star, but in the Dyson sphere there's nowhere for them to be swept except back into the atmosphere.
No. I'm saying that 186,000,000 miles would fill up with superheated steam and carbon dioxide. I don't think you understand "air". Specifically, where it comes from, and how it works.
Gravity forms from the magnetic reactions of particles spinning around and crashing into each other. This also creates heat, and fusion, which eventually leads to the process of accretion. Once a gravity well is established in three dimensional space, it pulls everything toward it's center with equal force, it's why planets, and stars are spheres, and not cubes. It's why atmospheres are not called atmocubes. Heavier particles sink lower in the gravity well, while lighter ones float on top. That's why "air" sits on top of "land". Oxygen molecules, although very light, have mass and are subject to the laws of gravity. Space is not a total vacuum, it's actually full of particles, including oxygen. It's referred to as a vacuum because of a lack of breathable oxygen.
Air, unlike water, can be compressed. So unless you build "a few miles up" forcefield all the way around the inside of the sphere, you'd have to pump enough breathable oxygen to fill all 186,000,000 miles of space, for it to be habitable. Oxygen comes from plants metabolizing carbon dioxide. Plants need a full ecosystem to support them. Now you start to realize how ridiculous "building" one of these things is.
Sorry based on your statements either the Earth has a force field keeping the air down. Or our sun has steam between us an it.
Since I think neither of these is true and this is the distance involved, and they have gravity on the inner surface of the sphere. Then it is reasonable to see them leaving the relative vacuum of space between the star and the surfaces atmosphere. And technically it would still be a sphere. Just looking at it from the inside as opposed to the outside. (Concave versus convex.)
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I cant take this thread seriously any more, not that I took it very serious to begin with.
When people start arguing how fictional technology should work like its a fact, and how if something was not mentioned that it can be there, you have no hope of debating them.
I cant take this thread seriously any more, not that I took it very serious to begin with.
When people start arguing how fictional technology should work like its a fact, and how if something was not mentioned that it can be there, you have no hope of debating them.
My first and foremost explanation of "Tech" in Star Trek is this
But our little trolls here just want to keep at it, it's fun watching them go on and on like a puppy chasing it's tail.
Sooner or later they give up, once you lock them into a common sense loop argument
Gravity is what holds the "air" down. There's no steam between Earth, and the sun, because it escapes into space, on account of there's no Dyson Sphere holding it in.
Bit like some sort of "pressure reducing system" or "escape" option can be built into enclosed spaces so stop any sort of build up you mean?
I was pointing out the necessity of a forcefield in your model, between breathable air (atmosphere), and the "space" above it, because the only gravity well in a Dyson Sphere is the one the star itself, sits in.
Except for the mentioned ways of creating gravity inside the sphere you mean?
Being that there is no outside force of gravity allowing people to walk on the inside walls of the sphere, you'd have to have inertial dampeners cover, every inch of the inside of the sphere. Or have the thing spinning enough to generate centrifugal force, in which case they'd need gyroscopic stabilization to move parallel to the axis. Or magnetic boots. Otherwise people would just float of the surface into the sun. You follow?
We've been telling everyone else this for pages upon pages - thanks for changing your mind and joining us on the "It is possible - one day" side
Gravity is what holds the "air" down. There's no steam between Earth, and the sun, because it escapes into space, on account of there's no Dyson Sphere holding it in.
I was pointing out the necessity of a forcefield in your model, between breathable air (atmosphere), and the "space" above it, because the only gravity well in a Dyson Sphere is the one the star itself, sits in.
Inertial dampeners are a fiction that's never quite fully explained. Suffice to say it's a major technological achievement, equal, if not greater than warp drives. Being that there is no outside force of gravity allowing people to walk on the inside walls of the sphere, you'd have to have inertial dampeners cover, every inch of the inside of the sphere. Or have the thing spinning enough to generate centrifugal force, in which case they'd need gyroscopic stabilization to move parallel to the axis. Or magnetic boots. Otherwise people would just float of the surface into the sun. You follow?
As silly as this whole discussions has gotten, anything with sufficient mass warps space. If you had a hollow sphere with a diameter of 1 AU, it would most certainly have its own gravity. It might be no stronger than the gravity of our moon, depending on the density of the materials that make it up, but it would have gravity nonetheless. Inertial dampeners and magnetic boots need not apply.
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As silly as this whole discussions has gotten, anything with sufficient mass warps space. If you had a hollow sphere with a diameter of 1 AU, it would most certainly have its own gravity. It might be no stronger than the gravity of our moon, depending on the density of the materials that make it up, but it would have gravity nonetheless. Inertial dampeners and magnetic boots need not apply.
A hollow sphere will, regardless of mass, have zero net gravity inside. You'll need some artificial means regardless of how heavy the sphere is. Atificial means are, at least, pretty much Trivial in Star Trek.
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Actually, faster than light travel is possible. It's known that people like Miguel Alcubierre (the physicist that discovered the formula) and Harold White (improved on it to use less energy) have discovered a possible method for such a thing.
And a Dyson sphere is a real theoretical concept, but it's nothing like what is in STO. A real Dyson sphere would be an array of solar collectors that surround an entire star. To make a solid object as large as the sphere in STO would require more matter than there is in existence, much less two of them.
I find it laughable that in a science fiction venue that throws plausible science out the window from the outset, we have people arguing about the capabilities of something that may not ever exist and that we currently couldn't begin to imagine how to create. Any science sufficiently advanced would appear as magic and who are we to say that the Iconians who can open ship sized dimensional portals between galaxies, don't have the technology to the jump a Dyson sphere 50,000 lightyears.
The Undine getting the sphere give them a staging ground in our universe, the Iconian gate easy access to the Alpha quadrant and thanks to our actions unlocking the system in Sphere of Influence, if they can learn to control their gate they could be attacking anywhere.
So what you're saying is the comment I was replying to:
Is indeed incorrect, because as you state ...
Excellent!
That would be new to me and.... question every scientific law I know about.
May it be so.
The real question is: could something like the ST-Dyson sphere EXIST?
Could a stable shell arround a star in the exact right distance to make it habitable EXIST?
If yes it can be build. Not by us, obviously.
But when thinking about Alien races we should not limit our view of "what can be build" to "what can we imagine Humans could ever build".
And every object is space can be moved. Actually every object in space does move.
So, again:
Assuming a Dyson sphere can be build
Assuming FTL-travel is possible
= Moving a Dysons sphere faster then light is, generally, possible.
And if it is GENERALLY possible, that means that it is POSSIBLE that someone is capable of doing so.
You are making assumptions about the Jenolan Sphere w/o any basis. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So why did the Enterprise-D not detect any Omega Particles in the Jenolan Sphere. The Sphere was not generating any Omega because it had a full storage cells. And the Solanae has Omega storage cells which render Omega undetectable to Federation sensors. And in the 40 years of studying the Jenolan Sphere, the Federation never came across the Omega Storage cells nor Space Fold engines. That explains the supposed problem and the plot remains internally consistent.
Hopefully Cryptic will throw us a bone in part 2 or have some lore stuff in Season 9. There were clues about the Space Folding littered about in the Sphere zones and DOFF assignments if you got Crtical successes.
..or......
It has already had its Omega generating engines destroyed and is now stuck where it is.
By who is an interesting question.
First vacuum between the star and the habitat zone.
Second use excess heat as power. (converting the heat to another form and thus removing it. Rather the point of the dyson sphere.)
Third. We are going to talk about how to cool the inside of an area the size of earth's orbit. But the fact that you can control an antimatter reaction by putting it in a crystal is fine?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
So, while the inside may warm up, the outside will be cold, very very cold with no warmth from any star at all - I'm sure if you have the tech to build a Dyson Sphere, you understand how to use this bit of info to cool it down
Nothing stopping and automated valve to let the pressure and heat out either "Ace" - not difficult when outside is still a vacuum.
My boiler at home has this amazing "future" tech in it so when I leave the heating on by mistake, my boiler does not go bang
So you are saying they pressurized a space 186,000,000 miles in diameter? And that there is full air pressure the whole way from habitat to solar surface?
The safest and sanest solution is to actually only put a handful of miles of air over the habitat and leave the remaining space as vacuum.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Not a single door anywhere
Didn't see any problems when the door was open - no flash and burn, didn't suck the corona out, the thing didn't fall apart.
Just like my boiler, the design takes into account sudden pressure change, or even a slow one
Care to fail at anything else ? or you going to watch the shows, to see what has been established and stop looking foolish
Which is clearly the case in these spheres. There's atmospheric friction affecting speed and maneuvering near the surface, but not in maps that don't have the "floor" in them, where you're out in the open space inside the sphere.
Funny, I don't remember any mention of a space station on the sun or a jump drive, but funny enough they found it eventually. When something is A. immense beyond any capability to map, B. complex beyond any understanding, I think you can forgive a non-expert from missing a few details.
If it were actuated in the same way as a steam valve, sure. But the point of a safety system is that it's meant to be safe. If you're controlling the temperature in a boiler, you vent it when it gets dangerously hot. When you're dealing with the temperature in your house, you open a window when it gets uncomfortable, you don't wait until the pressure blows the windows out.
One of the ways Dyson himself tried to handle the accumulation of heat before disregarding the solid shell as implausible was artificial gravity wells or planetary massed singularities orbiting inside the sphere, which could effectively act as near-infinite heat sinks (they would grow over time, but the star would burn out long before they could threaten the star or the sphere). Both of these things are old hat for Star Trek, you don't even need Iconian technology to generate a gravity well far larger than the available mass.
The easier option is to simply not make use of all the energy and radiate excess and waste off the outer surface of the sphere or through doors as it accumulates (granted this is incompatible with the STO and TNG descriptions of the spheres radiating "almost no energy on the outside.")
Something Dyson never considered was teleportation and direct linking of different areas of space and their abilities to redirect energy to other locations. With Iconian gateway technology they could dump it pretty much anywhere - into another sphere, into a black hole, through another generator to wring the last usable energy from it, onto an enemy's homeworld...
Don't you understand? It was COMPLETELY FICTIONAL! Which means it takes 3 blue mana just to cast it!
And a few of us don't think you know how A) Star Trek works or
Just because the mission writers didn't hold your hand through the tech specs of a Dyson sphere, does not make it impossible.
Trying to look cleaver, in a world with force fields, gravity plating and singularities used for power does not work.
Gravity plating and force fields can be used to hold a breathable atmosphere to the inner wall of the sphere and I've already explained about the pressure and others stated it is still a vacuum inside the sphere once you move away from the inner wall.
Wanna try again?
Or if you rotate the sphere to create centrifugal force equal to the desired gravity (gravity is a force like all others, and air is affected by all others. A significantly strong centrifuge will produce near vacuum at its center). Or, since this is Star Trek and artificially generating gravity is so easy that even with no power a ship doesn't immediately lose it without damage to the system itself, just do that.
Once you've got that much in place, solar wind will actually help keep it in place - with a spherical planet, molecules that diffuse too high in the atmosphere are at risk of being swept outward from the star, but in the Dyson sphere there's nowhere for them to be swept except back into the atmosphere.
Sorry based on your statements either the Earth has a force field keeping the air down. Or our sun has steam between us an it.
Since I think neither of these is true and this is the distance involved, and they have gravity on the inner surface of the sphere. Then it is reasonable to see them leaving the relative vacuum of space between the star and the surfaces atmosphere. And technically it would still be a sphere. Just looking at it from the inside as opposed to the outside. (Concave versus convex.)
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
When people start arguing how fictional technology should work like its a fact, and how if something was not mentioned that it can be there, you have no hope of debating them.
My first and foremost explanation of "Tech" in Star Trek is this
But our little trolls here just want to keep at it, it's fun watching them go on and on like a puppy chasing it's tail.
Sooner or later they give up, once you lock them into a common sense loop argument
They are not the gravity generators they would need to hold everything down.
Although the material they made the Sphere from may be dense enough in it's own right to provide gravity.
Bit like some sort of "pressure reducing system" or "escape" option can be built into enclosed spaces so stop any sort of build up you mean?
Except for the mentioned ways of creating gravity inside the sphere you mean?
So is the rest of Star Trek - getting the idea yet?
Correct, lots of us have point this out yet you seem to ignore us or dismiss the idea of it.
We've been telling everyone else this for pages upon pages - thanks for changing your mind and joining us on the "It is possible - one day" side
As silly as this whole discussions has gotten, anything with sufficient mass warps space. If you had a hollow sphere with a diameter of 1 AU, it would most certainly have its own gravity. It might be no stronger than the gravity of our moon, depending on the density of the materials that make it up, but it would have gravity nonetheless. Inertial dampeners and magnetic boots need not apply.
A hollow sphere will, regardless of mass, have zero net gravity inside. You'll need some artificial means regardless of how heavy the sphere is. Atificial means are, at least, pretty much Trivial in Star Trek.