Omega Particles were not invented until after the Relics episode.
particles were discovered by the federation by 2269, is also the time the directive was put in place , the jenolan sphere was discovered again by the Enterprise D in 2369 ,so in that aspect your incorrect ,though the stories were written far from each other , it doesnt change that its part of the cannon that STO adheres too. its a hole in the story telling , and it doesnt really explain the major differences between the two spheres , if they both use omega for power . the whole explanation for the towers was the omega tech . just saying there is a discrepancy in the story Cryptic has access to the same information and more then we do , if i can find this they should have .
So, a simple question to the OP and any others deriding STO "physics":
Are you, any of you, physicists by training or craft? As in, did you study physics, or do you work in physics?
Don't think it really matters. Star Trek is known for technobabble and it is set in a different universe than our own. Therefore, the physics of Star Trek is completely unrelated to the physics of our universe just like the physics of any soft science fiction story is completely unrelated to our universe. If some player with a physics background states that something is impossible, then Star Trek will just use technobabble to make it possible.
Star Trek is governed by the canon. As such, what someone may feel or not feel about the science or fantastical elements is ultimately immaterial. Because while game designers and novel writers do have some creative license, they ultimately are bound by canon. Star Trek has more in commmon with Religion in this apect than science. You're free to personally reject elements all you want. But as you are not free to control canon.... what you want, what you reject, and what you accept means less than nothing.
particles were discovered by the federation by 2269, is also the time the directive was put in place , the jenolan sphere was discovered again by the Enterprise D in 2369 ,so in that aspect your incorrect ,though the stories were written far from each other , it doesnt change that its part of the cannon that STO adheres too. its a hole in the story telling , and it doesnt really explain the major differences between the two spheres , if they both use omega for power . the whole explanation for the towers was the omega tech . just saying there is a discrepancy in the story Cryptic has access to the same information and more then we do , if i can find this they should have .
cosmic was talking about real-world stuff. The first episode to have Omega in it was in Voyager and wasn't written until several years after TNG. either way, you can say that they simply didn't detect it.... Fed sensors aren't perfect.
cosmic was talking about real-world stuff. The first episode to have Omega in it was in Voyager and wasn't written until several years after TNG. either way, you can say that they simply didn't detect it.... Fed sensors aren't perfect.
Or the Jenolan Dyson Sphere's Omega Particle generation systems were completely shut down. After all, the Captain trapped in that sphere said that tons of systems were activated without warning, then the jump happened. Also, it is entirely possible the the Jenolan Dyson Sphere is a newer version of Dyson Sphere so uses Omega Particles in a far more efficient manner or doesn't even use Omega Particles and uses something more stable.
Clearly i missed the part where it said the jenolan sphere moved.
But F it. i will weigh in for fun. In the universe of star trek, moving something that large instantaneously would create not so much a black hole, but a "gravity vacuum" in which the systems gravity is destabalaized and things shift finding a new gravitic center.*
Next in theory it cane be done, Quantum slipstream that Mr. Paris discovered. Everywhere at once. Clearly if all the gateways can be tracked, they could plot out where to put the sphere. AGAIN THEORETICALLY.
One more for good measure. The Dyson Sphere actually runs off the most potent energy sources in the Cryptic/PWE aresenal of things. What is your Beef with the Galaxy and DOOOOM threads!!!!
*See star trek generations for how the destruction of systems moves things
Moving on. Correct to someone from earlier, star wars doesnt need to know WHY, they just need to know it DOES. :cool:
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wow. i wish i was working at my desk this week so i could have kept up and not had to read it all at once...lol. so i'm not crazy, but there is a strong difference of opinion between the two sides. i'm always open to some official technobabble to explain why it makes sense, but i haven't seen any in this case, or not much... just knowing that omega particles are involved doesn't do it for me. sure, they're immensely powerful, but that doesn't really explain anything.
while there are many parts of this that i question... dinosaurs, the sphere itself, etc... there are a few primary factors that keep bringing me back to total disbelief.
first there's the sheer size of it. i haven't done any math, but i would guess that the mass of the sphere itself would far outweigh that of the star. of course physically moving it would probably cause the structure to fail, so the relocations are likely an instant site to site type of thing, with no inertia involved. i can get behind that, but even after rationalizing that one small part of it, i think about it again and the sheer size just tells me no. the level of engineering and knowledge required to move a sphere seems like it would be far beyond what it would take to build it, which itself is nearly unimaginable.
then there's the star. how could you reliably move a star? the slightest imbalance and it can shift its output, or worse. how could every possible problem be compensated for by an automatic system? there would be the change in local gravity wells in the new location exerting forces on the star, which may be very different from the conditions of the old location. and what about the planets outside the sphere, does the old solar system just dissipate, and the planets become rogues? what effect would it have on the surrounding systems? and what effect would introducing a new gravity well to a region have?
yeah, some ridiculous things have happened in trek, but stuff like that is the exception. the rule, on the other hand, is fantastic things being explained into believability. that's trek. that's not star wars. star wars doesn't require explanation because i see it more as fantasy than sci-fi. its just a space version of lord of the rings, or something. things don't have to make sense in fantasy like that. but in trek, i think they do. geeks like tech. star trek tells us how to build the tech. we eventually figure out how to make it so... on the otherr hand, the people out there trying to use the force... never will. that's a fantasy.
then there's the case of q, trelane, nagilum, etc... but those god like entities arent treks divergence into fantasy. those beings are explained just like everything else. they are omnipotent beings that defy explanation, and the characters in star trek know that, and still attempt to understand.
while there are many parts of this that i question... dinosaurs, the sphere itself, etc... there are a few primary factors that keep bringing me back to total disbelief.
Suspension of Disbelief is how fiction, any fiction, gains any traction what-so-ever. Yes Science Fiction by it's very name ought to have some basis in science-fact. However at times it is best to look past the fuzzy bits that err more on the side of fiction and less on the side of science.
At the moment FTL travel, phasers, energy shields, transporters, replicators, all of that is fantasy, it just isn't possible now or in the near future. We can barely make it to the moon and back, a ship the size of a Nimitz Class Carrier going to the complete other side of the galaxy is as much fantasy as a sphere big enough to house a star and support life. The reason it's possible to you or anyone else is the ability to go "well maybe....just maybe...." and think that it could very well be possible, and it could be. But ultimately with that logic would it not also be possible for a Dyson sphere to move? Just because we don't know how yet doesn't mean it isn't possible.
wow. i wish i was working at my desk this week so i could have kept up and not had to read it all at once...lol. so i'm not crazy, but there is a strong difference of opinion between the two sides. i'm always open to some official technobabble to explain why it makes sense, but i haven't seen any in this case, or not much... just knowing that omega particles are involved doesn't do it for me. sure, they're immensely powerful, but that doesn't really explain anything.
while there are many parts of this that i question... dinosaurs, the sphere itself, etc... there are a few primary factors that keep bringing me back to total disbelief.
first there's the sheer size of it. i haven't done any math, but i would guess that the mass of the sphere itself would far outweigh that of the star. of course physically moving it would probably cause the structure to fail, so the relocations are likely an instant site to site type of thing, with no inertia involved. i can get behind that, but even after rationalizing that one small part of it, i think about it again and the sheer size just tells me no. the level of engineering and knowledge required to move a sphere seems like it would be far beyond what it would take to build it, which itself is nearly unimaginable.
then there's the star. how could you reliably move a star? the slightest imbalance and it can shift its output, or worse. how could every possible problem be compensated for by an automatic system? there would be the change in local gravity wells in the new location exerting forces on the star, which may be very different from the conditions of the old location. and what about the planets outside the sphere, does the old solar system just dissipate, and the planets become rogues? what effect would it have on the surrounding systems? and what effect would introducing a new gravity well to a region have?
yeah, some ridiculous things have happened in trek, but stuff like that is the exception. the rule, on the other hand, is fantastic things being explained into believability. that's trek. that's not star wars. star wars doesn't require explanation because i see it more as fantasy than sci-fi. its just a space version of lord of the rings, or something. things don't have to make sense in fantasy like that. but in trek, i think they do. geeks like tech. star trek tells us how to build the tech. we eventually figure out how to make it so... on the otherr hand, the people out there trying to use the force... never will. that's a fantasy.
then there's the case of q, trelane, nagilum, etc... but those god like entities arent treks divergence into fantasy. those beings are explained just like everything else. they are omnipotent beings that defy explanation, and the characters in star trek know that, and still attempt to understand.
Just as in the space ships, the sphere must have some sort of gravity control - or people would float of the inner surface in to the middle, where there is a great big ball of hot death waiting. So internal and external gravity of the sphere are 2 different things.
The thing could be teleported without any change with the internal gravity due to its own controls adjusting the internal gravity field as needed.
The effects of the external gravity however - that is another matter. As local things would be moved or have to compensate for a new massive thing being near by.
This also reveals that the Tkon were master solar engineers; at the moment when 0 triggered the destruction of their sun, they were about to teleport it completely out of their solar system, simultaneously replacing it with a new, fresh one, Q noting that the transporter array they were going to use to move the fresh star still exists in the present and recommending that Picard salvage it once he returns to his own time before someone else does.
Not sure what you mean by "going beyond our limits makes us a worthwhile race". Worth who's while? Our co-inhabitants of Earth, the animals? I'm sure if they had enough intelligence for cognitive thought, and speech, they would say something along the lines of "A lot of us are losing our homes, and going extinct, precisely because of your desire to exceed your boundaries". "You're the most intelligent species on the planet, yet you procreate out of control, like a virus, and exhaust resources, even stealing from your future progeny, in order to satisfy your own selfish, short-sited interests." "You infest the surface of this planet like a parasite, taking everything, and giving nothing back in return."You've been misinformed, greed, and cognitive thought, are what make us different from the animals.
Great post. It was however, better phrased in the film "The Matrix"
Which brings me to my final point. I agree, the possibility of Dyson Spheres in Star Trek are as believable as the abolishment of money. And although portrayed as fact in the shows, how either happened has not been explained to my satisfaction.
You, I never could understand if, how or when, money could become obsolete.
It is said, 95% of the worlds wealth is held by 5% of the population (do not know how true that is, but is quite a common saying where I live).
If true, or anything like it, I cannot see those 5% ever letting money become a thing of the past - after all, human greed is what drives a lot of us to get out of bed each day.
I have worked in retail for years, the sheer amount of fools I see wanting "more" things, "bigger" things, "better" things is amazing. Just bought a 48" flat screen - well here is the new 50" flat screen !!! :rolleyes:
Even christmas time. The "Season of goodwill" brings out the darker side of people. Buying more food than the family will eat in a month, as the shop will be shut..... FOR ONE DAY !!!
Black Friday, oh there is a sight. I was born and live in the UK and that little time of fun is starting to make its way here. There is a prime example of people fighting over stuff they do not need, or even want, but it's cheap so greed kicks in.
I watch Star Trek and know, it can never happen.
Star Wars, maybe (if we ever figure out the tech lol)
EVE online, a universe run by corporations for corporations could well happen (not far from that now)
what the fork??? i just played it, because i didn't have time last week, and i can't believe what i heard. a dyson sphere can't be moved, there's just no way. i don't care how much energy you've got, it just ain't happening. okay maybe Q, but that's the only way.
star trek is sci-fi, not fantasy. you can't just make something like that happen just because it would be cool. this is why sci-fi tv shows have science advisors. cryptic, you are in desperate need of a good trek advisor. please... you need someone to stop you from doing ridiculous things like this.
am i not crazy being irked about this, or is everyone else swallowing it?
But it would be okay if they threw some more technobabble at it?
Why is it something that Q could do but no one else?
All they have to do is align the heliotropic relays, overcharge the Z-particle chamber, and make sure that a negative ion charge goes into the ignition chamber at maximum omega particle density and voila!
That Dyson Sphere will go anywhere you want it to.
I'm currently sick, so I had the time to read through this thread. I just want to point out one thing: The fact that Star Trek utilizes technobabble has absolutely no correlation with science fiction "hardness".
ST writers did lift a lot of vocabulary from real science (especially speculative things like Gravitons, Tachyons*), but their use in Trek bears only the most superficial parallels with the actual concepts. I enjoyed most shows that weren't Enterprise. But the technobabble served as a smokescreen to handwaive the needs of the current episode. Star Trek never was hard sci-fi and therefore STO shouldn't be measured in these terms.
*not saying that speculative science isn't real science (see Dirac's prediction of the Positron). But experimental proof is what makes the scientific method.
I'm currently sick, so I had the time to read through this thread. I just want to point out one thing: The fact that Star Trek utilizes technobabble has absolutely no correlation with science fiction "hardness".
ST writers did lift a lot of vocabulary from real science (especially speculative things like Gravitons, Tachyons*), but their use in Trek bears only the most superficial parallels with the actual concepts. I enjoyed most shows that weren't Enterprise. But the technobabble served as a smokescreen to handwaive the needs of the current episode. Star Trek never was hard sci-fi and therefore STO shouldn't be measured in these terms.
*not saying that speculative science isn't real science (see Dirac's prediction of the Positron). But experimental proof is what makes the scientific method.
If you are directing this at me, the post right above yours, then you completely missed my point.
If you are directing this at me, the post right above yours, then you completely missed my point.
Nope, it was just vaguely directed on the thread topic. I agree that it would be in the Trek tradition to just randomly string together cool words to make up an explanation. Something like that is even done in the cutscenes from the Reputation.
Dont know if its been mentioned but let us also not forget the T'kon. A race so powerful they could move entire star systems. Not just the sun, but all the planets with it.
And they are a canon race. and it was written under the supervision of Gene. Did anyone explain how? No. (In fact Gene was the worst for just having crazy stuff happen)
Half the stuff in Trek just should not be able to work, from universal translators, to transporters to warp 10. There should be no reason why flying round a sun should send you back in time, but apparently it does. more often than not none of these things are really explained. even when it is explained its often done so with other technobabble.
All they have to do is align the heliotropic relays, overcharge the Z-particle chamber, and make sure that a negative ion charge goes into the ignition chamber at maximum omega particle density and voila!
Are you crazy? You forgot to reverse the magnatronic couplers. If you dont reverse the magnatronic couplers it wont work.
It's hinted at constantly. Everything related to the spheres and gateways is directly or indirectly built by or serves the Iconians.
I thought with it being called the Solonae sphere, the indication was it was those guys who built the sphere (at least the one with Voth and Omega in it). Though they will ultimately be working for the Iconians, as everyone seems to be. But serving them is different to being built by them. I guess in the end, it all works out the same.
Ah, hypothetically speaking.. really bad stuff happens. lol. Personally I like the description of what happens in the Starfire novels when two pieces of matter (usually ships) interpenetrate when coming out of a warp point (wormhole):
In other words, about the most violent conversion of matter to energy you can imagine short of omega molecules going critical, but the sphere is full of omega molecules and at least some of them are probably not consumed by the jump so, the worst explosion possible.
Although there is existing precedent in Trek for what happens when one solid object emerges inside of another solid object. The answer is "not much." http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phasing_cloak
But if we assume no space-time-annihilating interpenetrations occur (maybe a massive deflector grid pushes everything out of the way before it appears, or maybe the fold sucks anything nearby into it) there are still gravity effects. If it comes out near a star system you can probably expect everything to get tugged in its direction, earthquakes, all kinds of tidal and weather phenomena etc as orbits shift and all. Even worse if it comes out inside the star system itself.
However even at orbital velocities it will take days/weeks/months/years for anything to crash into it unless it reappears very close to an object.
Ah, but the phase cloak shunts them out of phase, that's why there was no reaction. Unless the Sphere is also phased when it jumps, there has to be some kind of interaction.
Yes but again those ships in trouble did not belong to a type 1/2/3 civilization. In theory it should be impossible for the unfathomably-advanced self-maintaining technology of such a civilization to malfunction.
So I suppose that begs the question of if they have any systems in place for such an emergency. I doubt it as they would want it to either abort the fold jump in the first place or only come out in the gaps between star systems, so why have such systems for redirecting the orbit of a planet that's on a collision course? Either way though, given the amount of time it would take for a collision, they might have enough time to just do another fold jump and leave, or they'd have enough time to pull a treknobabble and save the day for themselves considering their mastery of controlling the fabric of space-time.
Of course as depicted in the game something HAS gone wrong with their technology which makes them not-infallible (whether that's realistic or not can be debated until the cows come home) so who knows.
True, it would have to be very unlucky for it to appear intersecting a planet, rather than have one floating towards it. And given the vastness of the distances involved, very unlikely, But.... is a possibility, no matter how small.
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One explanation I have heard for Hawking radiation is that the commonly accepted speed of light is simply it's average speed. and that the wave nature of light causes it's speed to oscillate between higher and lower than it's average. :P
I thought with it being called the Solonae sphere, the indication was it was those guys who built the sphere (at least the one with Voth and Omega in it). Though they will ultimately be working for the Iconians, as everyone seems to be. But serving them is different to being built by them. I guess in the end, it all works out the same.
True but I assume that the Iconians are responsible for their ability to actually construct a sphere (having the servant race use Iconian technology to do the construction).
Ah, but the phase cloak shunts them out of phase, that's why there was no reaction. Unless the Sphere is also phased when it jumps, there has to be some kind of interaction.
Also true, but when the cloak shuts off the phasing goes away so the matter is thus intersecting (ship+asteroid) and there was no nasty explosion (how disappointing :P ) so I think unfortunately that can be extrapolated to if the shell of the sphere intersected a planet when it came out (regardless of phasing) there wouldn't be any terrible energy release from atoms trying to occupy the same location. Of course there would still be all kinds of regular nastiness with magma and gravitational shearing and explodings of various varieties. I'm just guessing though. I'd prefer the antimatter-esque doomsplosion.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
There's no worry about what's already there when you jump. The whole point of folding space to move faster than light is that you're not moving the object, you're moving space. When you move space to the point that you directly connect two distant points, you're taking the space you're in with you.
This is similar to an Alcubierre drive not needing a deflector - the process of bending space that way means you'll never intersect objects in your path, because you never traverse the space they're occupying but bringing the space you started in with you.
Just because current science says it can't happen, doesn't mean it can't happen.
Yes, it's very important to remember the distinction between "We don't know how to do that." and "We know that can't be done." and more so.... understanding how small the number of things that fit in the second category is.
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particles were discovered by the federation by 2269, is also the time the directive was put in place , the jenolan sphere was discovered again by the Enterprise D in 2369 ,so in that aspect your incorrect ,though the stories were written far from each other , it doesnt change that its part of the cannon that STO adheres too. its a hole in the story telling , and it doesnt really explain the major differences between the two spheres , if they both use omega for power . the whole explanation for the towers was the omega tech . just saying there is a discrepancy in the story Cryptic has access to the same information and more then we do , if i can find this they should have .
Don't think it really matters. Star Trek is known for technobabble and it is set in a different universe than our own. Therefore, the physics of Star Trek is completely unrelated to the physics of our universe just like the physics of any soft science fiction story is completely unrelated to our universe. If some player with a physics background states that something is impossible, then Star Trek will just use technobabble to make it possible.
I'm wondering how you know this.
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Or the Jenolan Dyson Sphere's Omega Particle generation systems were completely shut down. After all, the Captain trapped in that sphere said that tons of systems were activated without warning, then the jump happened. Also, it is entirely possible the the Jenolan Dyson Sphere is a newer version of Dyson Sphere so uses Omega Particles in a far more efficient manner or doesn't even use Omega Particles and uses something more stable.
But F it. i will weigh in for fun. In the universe of star trek, moving something that large instantaneously would create not so much a black hole, but a "gravity vacuum" in which the systems gravity is destabalaized and things shift finding a new gravitic center.*
Next in theory it cane be done, Quantum slipstream that Mr. Paris discovered. Everywhere at once. Clearly if all the gateways can be tracked, they could plot out where to put the sphere. AGAIN THEORETICALLY.
One more for good measure. The Dyson Sphere actually runs off the most potent energy sources in the Cryptic/PWE aresenal of things. What is your Beef with the Galaxy and DOOOOM threads!!!!
*See star trek generations for how the destruction of systems moves things
Moving on. Correct to someone from earlier, star wars doesnt need to know WHY, they just need to know it DOES. :cool:
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while there are many parts of this that i question... dinosaurs, the sphere itself, etc... there are a few primary factors that keep bringing me back to total disbelief.
first there's the sheer size of it. i haven't done any math, but i would guess that the mass of the sphere itself would far outweigh that of the star. of course physically moving it would probably cause the structure to fail, so the relocations are likely an instant site to site type of thing, with no inertia involved. i can get behind that, but even after rationalizing that one small part of it, i think about it again and the sheer size just tells me no. the level of engineering and knowledge required to move a sphere seems like it would be far beyond what it would take to build it, which itself is nearly unimaginable.
then there's the star. how could you reliably move a star? the slightest imbalance and it can shift its output, or worse. how could every possible problem be compensated for by an automatic system? there would be the change in local gravity wells in the new location exerting forces on the star, which may be very different from the conditions of the old location. and what about the planets outside the sphere, does the old solar system just dissipate, and the planets become rogues? what effect would it have on the surrounding systems? and what effect would introducing a new gravity well to a region have?
yeah, some ridiculous things have happened in trek, but stuff like that is the exception. the rule, on the other hand, is fantastic things being explained into believability. that's trek. that's not star wars. star wars doesn't require explanation because i see it more as fantasy than sci-fi. its just a space version of lord of the rings, or something. things don't have to make sense in fantasy like that. but in trek, i think they do. geeks like tech. star trek tells us how to build the tech. we eventually figure out how to make it so... on the otherr hand, the people out there trying to use the force... never will. that's a fantasy.
then there's the case of q, trelane, nagilum, etc... but those god like entities arent treks divergence into fantasy. those beings are explained just like everything else. they are omnipotent beings that defy explanation, and the characters in star trek know that, and still attempt to understand.
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Suspension of Disbelief is how fiction, any fiction, gains any traction what-so-ever. Yes Science Fiction by it's very name ought to have some basis in science-fact. However at times it is best to look past the fuzzy bits that err more on the side of fiction and less on the side of science.
At the moment FTL travel, phasers, energy shields, transporters, replicators, all of that is fantasy, it just isn't possible now or in the near future. We can barely make it to the moon and back, a ship the size of a Nimitz Class Carrier going to the complete other side of the galaxy is as much fantasy as a sphere big enough to house a star and support life. The reason it's possible to you or anyone else is the ability to go "well maybe....just maybe...." and think that it could very well be possible, and it could be. But ultimately with that logic would it not also be possible for a Dyson sphere to move? Just because we don't know how yet doesn't mean it isn't possible.
Just as in the space ships, the sphere must have some sort of gravity control - or people would float of the inner surface in to the middle, where there is a great big ball of hot death waiting. So internal and external gravity of the sphere are 2 different things.
The thing could be teleported without any change with the internal gravity due to its own controls adjusting the internal gravity field as needed.
The effects of the external gravity however - that is another matter. As local things would be moved or have to compensate for a new massive thing being near by.
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Great post. It was however, better phrased in the film "The Matrix"
You, I never could understand if, how or when, money could become obsolete.
It is said, 95% of the worlds wealth is held by 5% of the population (do not know how true that is, but is quite a common saying where I live).
If true, or anything like it, I cannot see those 5% ever letting money become a thing of the past - after all, human greed is what drives a lot of us to get out of bed each day.
I have worked in retail for years, the sheer amount of fools I see wanting "more" things, "bigger" things, "better" things is amazing. Just bought a 48" flat screen - well here is the new 50" flat screen !!! :rolleyes:
Even christmas time. The "Season of goodwill" brings out the darker side of people. Buying more food than the family will eat in a month, as the shop will be shut..... FOR ONE DAY !!!
Black Friday, oh there is a sight. I was born and live in the UK and that little time of fun is starting to make its way here. There is a prime example of people fighting over stuff they do not need, or even want, but it's cheap so greed kicks in.
I watch Star Trek and know, it can never happen.
Star Wars, maybe (if we ever figure out the tech lol)
EVE online, a universe run by corporations for corporations could well happen (not far from that now)
But Trek...... nope.
But it would be okay if they threw some more technobabble at it?
Why is it something that Q could do but no one else?
All they have to do is align the heliotropic relays, overcharge the Z-particle chamber, and make sure that a negative ion charge goes into the ignition chamber at maximum omega particle density and voila!
That Dyson Sphere will go anywhere you want it to.
See? Easy.
ST writers did lift a lot of vocabulary from real science (especially speculative things like Gravitons, Tachyons*), but their use in Trek bears only the most superficial parallels with the actual concepts. I enjoyed most shows that weren't Enterprise. But the technobabble served as a smokescreen to handwaive the needs of the current episode. Star Trek never was hard sci-fi and therefore STO shouldn't be measured in these terms.
*not saying that speculative science isn't real science (see Dirac's prediction of the Positron). But experimental proof is what makes the scientific method.
If you are directing this at me, the post right above yours, then you completely missed my point.
Nope, it was just vaguely directed on the thread topic. I agree that it would be in the Trek tradition to just randomly string together cool words to make up an explanation. Something like that is even done in the cutscenes from the Reputation.
And they are a canon race. and it was written under the supervision of Gene. Did anyone explain how? No. (In fact Gene was the worst for just having crazy stuff happen)
Half the stuff in Trek just should not be able to work, from universal translators, to transporters to warp 10. There should be no reason why flying round a sun should send you back in time, but apparently it does. more often than not none of these things are really explained. even when it is explained its often done so with other technobabble.
Are you crazy? You forgot to reverse the magnatronic couplers. If you dont reverse the magnatronic couplers it wont work.
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I thought with it being called the Solonae sphere, the indication was it was those guys who built the sphere (at least the one with Voth and Omega in it). Though they will ultimately be working for the Iconians, as everyone seems to be. But serving them is different to being built by them. I guess in the end, it all works out the same.
Ah, but the phase cloak shunts them out of phase, that's why there was no reaction. Unless the Sphere is also phased when it jumps, there has to be some kind of interaction.
True, it would have to be very unlucky for it to appear intersecting a planet, rather than have one floating towards it. And given the vastness of the distances involved, very unlikely, But.... is a possibility, no matter how small.
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True but I assume that the Iconians are responsible for their ability to actually construct a sphere (having the servant race use Iconian technology to do the construction).
Also true, but when the cloak shuts off the phasing goes away so the matter is thus intersecting (ship+asteroid) and there was no nasty explosion (how disappointing :P ) so I think unfortunately that can be extrapolated to if the shell of the sphere intersected a planet when it came out (regardless of phasing) there wouldn't be any terrible energy release from atoms trying to occupy the same location. Of course there would still be all kinds of regular nastiness with magma and gravitational shearing and explodings of various varieties. I'm just guessing though. I'd prefer the antimatter-esque doomsplosion.
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This is similar to an Alcubierre drive not needing a deflector - the process of bending space that way means you'll never intersect objects in your path, because you never traverse the space they're occupying but bringing the space you started in with you.
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