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warning... spoilers about the tuvok mission
what the fork??? i just played it, because i didn't have time last week, and i can't believe what i heard. a dyson sphere can't be moved, there's just no way. i don't care how much energy you've got, it just ain't happening. okay maybe Q, but that's the only way.
star trek is sci-fi, not fantasy. you can't just make something like that happen just because it would be cool. this is why sci-fi tv shows have science advisors. cryptic, you are in desperate need of a good trek advisor. please... you need someone to stop you from doing ridiculous things like this.
am i not crazy being irked about this, or is everyone else swallowing it?
what the fork??? i just played it, because i didn't have time last week, and i can't believe what i heard. a dyson sphere can't be moved, there's just no way. i don't care how much energy you've got, it just ain't happening. okay maybe Q, but that's the only way.
star trek is sci-fi, not fantasy. you can't just make something like that happen just because it would be cool. this is why sci-fi tv shows have science advisors. cryptic, you are in desperate need of a good trek advisor. please... you need someone to stop you from doing ridiculous things like this.
am i not crazy being irked about this, or is everyone else swallowing it?
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Fiction
Fantasy
Not really that different, in fact, hate to break it to you, but....
it's all made up !!!! :eek:
Every thing you would find in a magical fantasy setting you find in Trek.
In other words, you are probably a little crazy to be irked by this in a show/game with spaceships blowing holes in the fabric of reality on a regular basis, omnipotent aliens just 'dropping in for a visit' and time-travelers running around.
In an imaginary universe, with imaginary planets, inhabited by imaginary sentient species, with imaginary interstellar transport vessels, living imaginary lives they find an imaginary sphere that gets moved from their imaginary space to another part of their imaginary space....
and the OP has problems with the "science" behind it :rolleyes:
Really?
Go watch "Spock's Brain" and get back to us. :P
Hell, you brought up Q yourself- what could be more "forget logic and science, just throw in some magic?"
You are coming off as more than just a little bat-[censored] insane, in my honest opinion.
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with a lot of the others and say you're a little crazy.
Most Treknology is completely ludicrous, and using Omega Particles to transwarp/teleport the sphere across the galaxy doesn't strike me as more ludicrous in any way.
jeffel82 is right in that most Treknology is ludicrous. But I would amend that to say that most Treknology starts out as ludicrous, until it becomes REAL!!!
Although the OP wouldn't be so surprised if he/she finishes T5 Dyson rep and watches all the movies. They fill you in with the back story a bit.
Emphasis on the Fi. As in Fiction. As in most of what Trek is built on. I'm pretty sure there's a thread kicking around about the flaws of Trek science, and yes, they're probably right. Doesn't matter though. This isn't Microsoft's Space Simulator - I didn't come in here expecting things to be grounded in Hard-Science Fiction and realism.
I came here expecting Trek. And the new FE delivered in spades.
And while we've hardly seen complete technology sets of either race, what we do see of Tkon technology is inferior to known Iconian technology.
Moving the sphere is just a matter of folding space, which in Star Trek is old card to basically everyone (be it in the form of wormholes, warp, transwarp conduits, direct physical linking of locations, or exotic subspace passages), and is only limited by the amount of power available.
The Sphere has, as far as anyone is concerned, infinite power. It produces Omega particles in uncountable quantities. Single Omega particles have destroyed massive Borg fleets, destroyed subspace over an entire sector, and if stable will more than power a modern starship. The few thousand Voyager encountered could do so over many sectors, to the point that running away won't work anymore. And the Sphere? The few thousand square kilometers seen in the allied, fleet, and contested zone have dozens of facilities for producing Omega particles. The battle zone alone, an invisible spec on the endless expanse of the sphere, has three facilities for storing them, all many hundreds of times larger than the chamber Voyager built for a piddly few thousand molecules.
Let's put it this way: A Starship, even a low end one, in this universe, is by all meaningful measures a doomsday machine. Its power output exceeds that of a global industrial society, and its weapons could depopulate that society rather quickly, not to mention its core function is to twist and reshape the very laws of physics around it. And in this universe, that ship might carry cargo or be called a ship of nonviolent exploration. Then there are actual things so powerful by comparison that they are actually called Doomsday Weapons - things that can vaporize worlds and kill stars. And then there are devices so powerful they can reach across the sky and literally grasp entire worlds, reshaping the galaxy itself to the whim of those who wield them.
And then there are these Spheres, which are so powerful simply defy classification in a scale that has already accounted for moving things that cannot be moved and destroying things that cannot be destroyed.
This is supposed to be Star Trek, after all.
And we're not talking about travelling, per se.
The sphere doesn't move in a linear way, it just teleports somewhere, sits there, then teleports somewhere else.
Who knows, perhaps that doesn't need as much energy as actually moving along.
People thought it was "ludicrous" for a man to fly..... how many men (and women of course) are currently air borne right now ???
The horseless carriage was a "ludicrous" idea, yet, a lot of homes now have 2+ cars.
And someone once thought that everyone having personal home computers was a "ludicrous" idea, yet I have 2 in front of me (1 Windows, 1 Linux), 1 behind me (Laptop) and 1 in my living room (plus various other internet enabled devices around the house).
These all started out as fiction or fantasy in someone elses dreams, and had people like the OP saying it was not possible and cannot happen.
It's "ludicrous" really
1. Can create gateways to any location in the galaxy, perhaps much farther.
2. Their "vessels" have demonstrated the ability to simply "vanish," hinting at space folding.
Combine that with omega molecules, the most powerful source of energy known, it becomes quite feasible within the Star Trek universe. A universe of fiction, fantasy, make believe. You really didn't think it was all real, did you?
...Did you? :P
The question I have is, when the Jenolan Sphere moved, did it cause any sort of disruption or damage of subspace in the Beta Quadrant?
The Ringworld books showed what happened when a structure lie this isn't maintained.
Damn thing was falling apart......
That's just it, the OP is asking for the technobabble explanation. The OP is NOT crazy as some have suggested. I think some of those other posters are a bit lazy actually. One of the hallmarks of Trek is the technobabble. And how rooted in science and math some of it actually gets is what makes Trek that much more fun and engaging.
It's not often in Trek things just get "magic"-ed away. The OP raises the issue of raw power. And since omega particles and a Dyson Sphere are involved, it's a legit question. I think there is math that can tackle it though. So the OP is not insane for asking about that.
This is the same Star Trek that explains what it is Broussard Collectors scoop up, how communication travels via subspace, what the difference between Warp 9.5 and 9.8 is. The OP's question is fine.
Can you provide a link to the thread you're referencing?
...because the OP of this one isn't asking for anything, they're declaring something to be impossible. There actually is a difference.
Until you provide the aforementioned math, the OP is completely bat-guano.
But since you're so certain the math is there, we'll gladly pay attention as you post it.
We're waiting.
Dunno about math, but I can do technobabble.
Moving an object through space, an object as big as a star and a dyson sphere is impossible, even with Omega particles.
However, moving such an object around space so it turns up somewhere else can need much less energy.
This is what the dyson sphere generator is for, to create a large enough power source not to move the sphere but to act as a subspace fulcrum.
The actual amount of energy needed to perform the transport is relatively small, the heavy lifting is done by creating a massive anchor point in subspace to flip it round.
good enough technobabble?
Easily. But then I'm not the one squawking about what is/isn't possible...in a game, and one based on Star Trek to boot.
-shrug-
More than anything, I was amused by someone's apparent belief that the OP asked anything besides "are the rest of you buying this nonsense?"
So basically we're dealing with the mass of a Dyson Sphere. The distance moved. And the energy requirements of such a move. And all of it is powered by Omega Molecules?
Give me some time. But really, you're not much of a Trek fan if you think it's crazy to try and quantify this in technobabble. You seem more like a Star Wars fan. And even in that, little Yoda moved X-Wings and told people off for questioning his ability.
Perhaps a remedial English comprehension course might help with the obvious confusion you're operating under.
I've no problem with the in-game technobabble explanation, that's the OP you're looking for. They're the ones yelling "it can't be done," I'm saying they're crazy for that belief.
But don't let that stop you. :rolleyes:
The fact that these particles can be used to fold space is no more unusual in a Trek environment then slingshot time travel, energy ribbons that travel around the galaxy every 8 decades, whale probes that vaporize atmosphere, or a sentient V'gers which is several AU across and producing impossible amounts of energy as it moves through the galaxy.
This is Trek, and always has been.