Like I said in the other thread, this will be very good for the KDF players. Finally a science ship to complement the Varanus in the deserted science rooster. I forgot the Romulans there (in the other thread), but yeah, Romulans also are low on science options so it will be a wellcomed adition for them as well.
Regardless my opinions of how poorly the anniversary is handled, I think having these in the C-Store is a better option than making them fleet, cause fleet ships are per char unlock and since KDF players have the majority of their fleet ships without an apropriate T5 C-Store variant they get no discount there. This will bring fully fledged sci.ships to the KDF & Rom factions, which is a good thing, especially for all the science captains that had to make due with completely different classes of ships that had just a slant of sci in them.
My Kdf science toon's have been stuck for ages in fleet B'rels, it's time they got another option than the (yuk) Varanus.
STO's epitaph will say "It was a FREE* ship!" I have better things to do than more grinding. At this point, I could better spend my time making my own trek-like game. It would certainly be more fun than this stupid grind.
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from what we know (or should i say don't know) you will still need to grind and get the free version to have the full 4 piece set.
and i don't mean in layout i mean in use. both have a science like mode where it favors shields over firepower and both can transform into a mode that favors firepower at a small loss of defense. the only thing new with the dyson ships is the secondary deflector.
This is not exactly true. The consoles will come from running the Featured episode. I don't consider this much of a grind. If you want the free 9 console version then yes you have to do the 15 day grind. I would rather spend up to $150 for 9 new ships on all of my toons then spend the time doing the mini-Qs mission.
This is my choice. For me this is a far superior choice and why I am so happy that this year the ship will be account wide cstore. I am extremely supportive of account wide ship unlocks vs fleet/spire or lock box.
No consoles in the FE. The consoles are on the c-store ships.
This is not exactly true. The consoles will come from running the Featured episode. I don't consider this much of a grind. If you want the free 9 console version then yes you have to do the 15 day grind. I would rather spend up to $150 for 9 new ships on all of my toons then spend the time doing the mini-Qs mission.
Except the warp core, if you want the 4-piece bonus, only comes on the grind ship, not the mission (if I read that dev blog right). You can get the deflector/engine/shield from the mission, but part 4 seems to be grind only. Skip the grind and just buy, you get 3 of the piece and the 10 console ship and save two weeks, but that last piece is lost forever. Of course, if it turns out the set bonuses are junk and the gear itself pales next to Amp cores and Adaptive shields, then its all a moot point. Really depends on what the stats and bonuses are.
So other than the fact they look totally different, have different powers, bridge stations, and are science ships that sort of convert to destroyer over actual escorts. What is the point of this thread?
So other than the fact they look totally different, have different powers, bridge stations, and are science ships that sort of convert to destroyer over actual escorts. What is the point of this thread?
one, ok yes they look much better the the chimera at least
two, the transform function is basically the same, vet ships go from science heavy to tac heavy, just like these ships will.
three, we don't know bridge station or console layout yet so that remains to be seen.
It does explain why there was an odd feeling of panic from Branflakes last week when this started to leak out.
They knew how utterly unpopular this was all going to be, and crafted a careful publicity schedule with good news sandwiches.
Thing is, its all sort of slumped out and the giveaways look like cheap gifts to distract us from the paradigm shift.
The anniversary event has been turned into a you-dont-pay-us-enough event from Cryptic.
Extremely disappointing.
Aye. At this point, the only thing amusing about it at all (and that only in a really twisted way) was his continued insistence "but you don't know the whole story yet."
Normally this means "It won't seem as bad once you see the rest." Joke's on us though- the more we see, the worse it gets and we're still not at release day so who knows what other "psych, gotcha!" moments remain.
No, seriously? Collect not 1 but 3 EV suits for the "privilege" of turning all 3 in to pay for another one? :rolleyes:
For those who believe in reincarnation, I can tell y'all where I think P.T. Barnum turned up this lifetime around.
I know i am not the only one who sees this, but these new dyson ships are basically a "grind to get" version of the veteran 1000 day ships. I didn't like the idea of them from the start because us subscribers payed to support the game and now the people who played for free are getting something that was exclusive to subscribers.
Now they say there will be a 10 console 3 pack of the dyson ships in the c-store, so now everyone can buy what is basically a better version of the veteran ships. Not to mention that you make your subscribers pay more to get a fleet ship module for the fleet version of the very ship they got as a thank you for supporting the game.
Now don't misunderstand me here, i am happy that science players will get a nice ship to fly and it will be a c-store item and not a fleet item, but now you are messing with the players who are supporting you and it is going to hurt cryptic.
i get your idea, but i dont share it, the vet ship for kdf and feds have never been that outright standout example, not compared to the likes of the defiant or b'rel once upon a time. these days the vets ships are just another ship.
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Make sure to complete the Dyson Science Destroyer event reputation project on all of your characters to ensure you?ll be able to take advantage of the upcoming 4-piece set bonus that will be available when the c-store bundles release next month, in addition to the 4-piece set bonus that is available through the items earned when replaying ?A Step Between Stars.?
Not sure if this has any effect on the c store ships ???? to me it looks like you have to play the game and grind to get them from c store
one, ok yes they look much better the the chimera at least
two, the transform function is basically the same, vet ships go from science heavy to tac heavy, just like these ships will.
three, we don't know bridge station or console layout yet so that remains to be seen.
For the Dyson Ships? We do know that. The Dyson Ships get:
Boff Stations:
- LtC Tac (Cdr in Tactical Mode)
- Ens Tac
- Lt Eng
- Cdr Sci (LtC in Tactical Mode)
- Lt Sci
Consoles:
- 3 Tac
- 4 Sci
- 2 Eng
So yeah, quite some differences there. The Chimera offers *much* more flexibility there with the universal Stations. And it always has 4/3 Weapons Layout, were the Dyson Ship only get the fourth forward firing weapon only in Tactical Mode. And then only a Polaron DHC which won't benefit much from the "normal" Tactical Consoles.
Aye. At this point, the only thing amusing about it at all (and that only in a really twisted way) was his continued insistence "but you don't know the whole story yet."
LOL, very true.
"You think you're teed off this week? Well wait for tuesday/wednesday NEXT week. That'll make this look like a good day."
Not sure if this has any effect on the c store ships ???? to me it looks like you have to play the game and grind to get them from c store
The Secondary Deflector item is only available on the grinded ships. The ones in the C-store seem to have their own 3-console sets, akin to the Vesta and the Bortasqu.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
i meant the zen ships. we don't know the different console and bridge station layouts. of course the free one has less flexibility. That's why it's free.
one, ok yes they look much better the the chimera at least
two, the transform function is basically the same, vet ships go from science heavy to tac heavy, just like these ships will.
three, we don't know bridge station or console layout yet so that remains to be seen.
While I would agree, one thing I've learned is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone will share your our view that these are better looking.
The transformation is very different. One ship is a pure science ship and one ship is a Pure escort. The vet ships may be able to move their stats a little one way or the other but it remains an escort. These science ships can become an escort but it's a poor mans escort. You open up a cannon that can't be removed so you we stuck with its damage type and the cmd stations swap but unless all the other stats change with it, it will still remain a largely science based ship with a novelty cannon.
I will admit I'm guess at the layout but I can pretty much guarantee they won't be the same layout.
In late February (next month), we?ll be releasing a 3-pack C-Store bundle of each factional Dyson Science Destroyer, and each of those ships will feature a fantastic new console,
The consoles come on the C-store ships. The only way to get the warp core is by grinding the FE ship, the other 3 set pieces are FE rewards, and there's a bonus C-store 4-piece set power that only occurs with the 3 C-store consoles on a C-store ship with the Anniversary Work Detail Ship's secondary deflector:
Equip all 3 consoles on one of the upcoming, C-Store Dyson Science Destroyer variants, in addition to the secondary deflector found on the anniversary version, to gain access to another, special 4-piece set bonus.
Basically Cryptic has fallen all over themselves to try and force those who "have to have everything" to grind every possible item from the Anniversary Work Detail then buy the C-store ships anyway.
Welcome to the future of STO, little hamsters. Get used to keeping those treadmills going.
i get your idea, but i dont share it, the vet ship for kdf and feds have never been that outright standout example, not compared to the likes of the defiant or b'rel once upon a time. these days the vets ships are just another ship.
I don't think you know how the Vet ships work. It swaps some power levels and switches the lotus to the tachyon inversion beams. Its still an escort even in "Regenerative" mode. These will gain/lose a forward weapon slot (which is fixed, and proton damage only, which is a big negative for min-maxers) and swap Commander Sci/LtC Tac for Commander Tac/LtC Sci.
Wow, there is more than one ship that has a transform animation in the game. Surely this means the end of all things.
DEVs score yourselves some great PR, ie, we listen to our player base and as such the ship will be avalible to claim on completing the FE once,.......
Ths silence you are giving about the feeling of the grind at the moment is killing your rep. Look after your customers and we will keep you in a job, don't and the player base dwindles profits fall games fail.
Where ever you go, there you are.......
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.
They never said the dyson ship couldn't equip dual cannons. Nor did they say that the proton cannons where fixed to the ship. i think they will be like the wing cannons on the kumari. They can be take off but they really only have one spot on one ship. also both are destroyers. Yes the dyson ones are more science then escort but they have the same ship class for a reason and i don't think the vet ships will get a secondary deflector when those come to all science ships.
Except the warp core, if you want the 4-piece bonus, only comes on the grind ship, not the mission (if I read that dev blog right). You can get the deflector/engine/shield from the mission, but part 4 seems to be grind only. Skip the grind and just buy, you get 3 of the piece and the 10 console ship and save two weeks, but that last piece is lost forever. Of course, if it turns out the set bonuses are junk and the gear itself pales next to Amp cores and Adaptive shields, then its all a moot point. Really depends on what the stats and bonuses are.
I already have so much high level equipment and sets it's already very difficult to know what to slot. Unless the piece that I -may miss - I am still under the impression there is no special extra console on the free version. The 4 piece will have to enable a 30 min indestructible mode to be worth it. I can easily survive an elite stf in a B'rel with a. 8 shield mod and 22k hull.
They never said the dyson ship couldn't equip dual cannons. Nor did they say that the proton cannons where fixed to the ship. i think they will be like the wing cannons on the kumari. They can be take off but they really only have one spot on one ship. also both are destroyers. Yes the dyson ones are more science then escort but they have the same ship class for a reason and i don't think the vet ships will get a secondary deflector when those come to all science ships.
i meant the zen ships. we don't know the different console and bridge station layouts. of course the free one has less flexibility. That's why it's free.
Judgeing from the "normal" and the C-Store Odyssey: Not much will change. One more console Slot. And either the Sci Lt or Tac Ens as Universal. Chimera is still the much better Escort.
I already have so much high level equipment and sets it's already very difficult to know what to slot. Unless the piece that I -may miss - I am still under the impression there is no special extra console on the free version. The 4 piece will have to enable a 30 min indestructible mode to be worth it. I can easily survive an elite stf in a B'rel with a. 8 shield mod and 22k hull.
The C-store ships will like have a set bonus with the secondary deflector. My guess anyway.
I don't think you know how the Vet ships work. It swaps some power levels and switches the lotus to the tachyon inversion beams. Its still an escort even in "Regenerative" mode. These will gain/lose a forward weapon slot (which is fixed, and proton damage only, which is a big negative for min-maxers) and swap Commander Sci/LtC Tac for Commander Tac/LtC Sci.
Wow, there is more than one ship that has a transform animation in the game. Surely this means the end of all things.
ive used these ships before. but compared to the defiant which i have also used before, this vet ship is just not that impressive. i have not tried these dyson ships out yet so i can not compare my feel for it. i will get back to you on that sometime next month.
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one, ok yes they look much better the the chimera at least
two, the transform function is basically the same, vet ships go from science heavy to tac heavy, just like these ships will.
three, we don't know bridge station or console layout yet so that remains to be seen.
Don't you mean the vet ships go from Tactical mode to Tactical Mode? Regenerative Mode (with the tachyon beam spread) does not have anything to do with the vet ship being a science ship, since NO bridge officers can have the ability.
They never said the dyson ship couldn't equip dual cannons. Nor did they say that the proton cannons where fixed to the ship. i think they will be like the wing cannons on the kumari. They can be take off but they really only have one spot on one ship. also both are destroyers. Yes the dyson ones are more science then escort but they have the same ship class for a reason and i don't think the vet ships will get a secondary deflector when those come to all science ships.
Actually the Dyson Ship is classified as "Pets/Science" in the Devlog.
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My Kdf science toon's have been stuck for ages in fleet B'rels, it's time they got another option than the (yuk) Varanus.
and i don't mean in layout i mean in use. both have a science like mode where it favors shields over firepower and both can transform into a mode that favors firepower at a small loss of defense. the only thing new with the dyson ships is the secondary deflector.
No consoles in the FE. The consoles are on the c-store ships.
Except the warp core, if you want the 4-piece bonus, only comes on the grind ship, not the mission (if I read that dev blog right). You can get the deflector/engine/shield from the mission, but part 4 seems to be grind only. Skip the grind and just buy, you get 3 of the piece and the 10 console ship and save two weeks, but that last piece is lost forever. Of course, if it turns out the set bonuses are junk and the gear itself pales next to Amp cores and Adaptive shields, then its all a moot point. Really depends on what the stats and bonuses are.
It does explain why there was an odd feeling of panic from Branflakes last week when this started to leak out.
They knew how utterly unpopular this was all going to be, and crafted a careful publicity schedule with good news sandwiches.
Thing is, its all sort of slumped out and the giveaways look like cheap gifts to distract us from the paradigm shift.
The anniversary event has been turned into a you-dont-pay-us-enough event from Cryptic.
Extremely disappointing.
one, ok yes they look much better the the chimera at least
two, the transform function is basically the same, vet ships go from science heavy to tac heavy, just like these ships will.
three, we don't know bridge station or console layout yet so that remains to be seen.
Aye. At this point, the only thing amusing about it at all (and that only in a really twisted way) was his continued insistence "but you don't know the whole story yet."
Normally this means "It won't seem as bad once you see the rest." Joke's on us though- the more we see, the worse it gets and we're still not at release day so who knows what other "psych, gotcha!" moments remain.
No, seriously? Collect not 1 but 3 EV suits for the "privilege" of turning all 3 in to pay for another one? :rolleyes:
For those who believe in reincarnation, I can tell y'all where I think P.T. Barnum turned up this lifetime around.
i get your idea, but i dont share it, the vet ship for kdf and feds have never been that outright standout example, not compared to the likes of the defiant or b'rel once upon a time. these days the vets ships are just another ship.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Not sure if this has any effect on the c store ships ???? to me it looks like you have to play the game and grind to get them from c store
For the Dyson Ships? We do know that. The Dyson Ships get:
Boff Stations:
- LtC Tac (Cdr in Tactical Mode)
- Ens Tac
- Lt Eng
- Cdr Sci (LtC in Tactical Mode)
- Lt Sci
Consoles:
- 3 Tac
- 4 Sci
- 2 Eng
So yeah, quite some differences there. The Chimera offers *much* more flexibility there with the universal Stations. And it always has 4/3 Weapons Layout, were the Dyson Ship only get the fourth forward firing weapon only in Tactical Mode. And then only a Polaron DHC which won't benefit much from the "normal" Tactical Consoles.
LOL, very true.
"You think you're teed off this week? Well wait for tuesday/wednesday NEXT week. That'll make this look like a good day."
The Secondary Deflector item is only available on the grinded ships. The ones in the C-store seem to have their own 3-console sets, akin to the Vesta and the Bortasqu.
While I would agree, one thing I've learned is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone will share your our view that these are better looking.
The transformation is very different. One ship is a pure science ship and one ship is a Pure escort. The vet ships may be able to move their stats a little one way or the other but it remains an escort. These science ships can become an escort but it's a poor mans escort. You open up a cannon that can't be removed so you we stuck with its damage type and the cmd stations swap but unless all the other stats change with it, it will still remain a largely science based ship with a novelty cannon.
I will admit I'm guess at the layout but I can pretty much guarantee they won't be the same layout.
Dev Blog says: wrong answer, sparky.
The consoles come on the C-store ships. The only way to get the warp core is by grinding the FE ship, the other 3 set pieces are FE rewards, and there's a bonus C-store 4-piece set power that only occurs with the 3 C-store consoles on a C-store ship with the Anniversary Work Detail Ship's secondary deflector:
Basically Cryptic has fallen all over themselves to try and force those who "have to have everything" to grind every possible item from the Anniversary Work Detail then buy the C-store ships anyway.
Welcome to the future of STO, little hamsters. Get used to keeping those treadmills going.
Wow, there is more than one ship that has a transform animation in the game. Surely this means the end of all things.
DEVs score yourselves some great PR, ie, we listen to our player base and as such the ship will be avalible to claim on completing the FE once,.......
Ths silence you are giving about the feeling of the grind at the moment is killing your rep. Look after your customers and we will keep you in a job, don't and the player base dwindles profits fall games fail.
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.
I already have so much high level equipment and sets it's already very difficult to know what to slot. Unless the piece that I -may miss - I am still under the impression there is no special extra console on the free version. The 4 piece will have to enable a 30 min indestructible mode to be worth it. I can easily survive an elite stf in a B'rel with a. 8 shield mod and 22k hull.
Nope. They are fixed. You dont get to remove it.
Judgeing from the "normal" and the C-Store Odyssey: Not much will change. One more console Slot. And either the Sci Lt or Tac Ens as Universal. Chimera is still the much better Escort.
ive used these ships before. but compared to the defiant which i have also used before, this vet ship is just not that impressive. i have not tried these dyson ships out yet so i can not compare my feel for it. i will get back to you on that sometime next month.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Actually the Dyson Ship is classified as "Pets/Science" in the Devlog.
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