I guess I will be doing this only on my Romulan science officer as there really is not any true science ships for the Romulan Republic (the Ha'nom sux in my opinion).
As others have said Bran, why post that you are listening to our feedback, then post a Dev blog that shows that you have infact not done so.
When so many have said that grindaversary is a very bad idea, you should come up with better solutions. Since we have to replay the new FE 3 times if we want all the gear, why not say play it a fourth time to get the ship(s)?
I have heard the rumors of a reset token, but so far no info on this either how much it will cost, or if it will work on the grindaversary. If it does work on the grindaversary, that is a nice option, if the tokens are not stupidly expensive that is...
But the main thing that grinds my gears is the fact that you told us you were listening, and then go ahead with the original plans regardless of our feedback.
Why tell us the above when it was not true? Does give us a sour taste in our nouths, and blunts your/Cryptic's credibility...
I guess I will be doing this only on my Romulan science officer as there really is not any true science ships for the Romulan Republic (the Ha'nom sux in my opinion).
Wait, so the grind is per-character? If I have, for example, 4 characters that are more-or-less "main" I need to run the event 4 times a day?
I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on the mini-mission, but it seems like the ship should be account-bound...
Event ships have always been per character which is why many folks are complaining here. For many years STO had a content drought so we never had a lot to do but repeat content over and over. To ease the monotony we made many many alts to vary the experience and for that we are now being 'punished' by these methods.
Wait, so the grind is per-character? If I have, for example, 4 characters that are more-or-less "main" I need to run the event 4 times a day?
I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on the mini-mission, but it seems like the ship should be account-bound...
Every ship acquired free from events (Chel Grett, basic Odyssey, basic Bortasq, Plesh Brek, Risian Corvette, Ambassador) have been per character unlocks.
Every ship acquired free from events (Chel Grett, basic Odyssey, basic Bortasq, Plesh Brek, Risian Corvette, Ambassador) have been per character unlocks.
Technically, they are not even unlocks. You can't reclaim those event ships if you dismiss them.
I just wanted to quote this original comment from Brandon.
And highlight that it seems that they may well have been listening but according to the latest blog post, http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1085941, it has indeed fallen on deaf ears and they will go ahead with this particular grind regardless.
What price credibility?
As I said before I will be giving this a miss. The grind (and that's becoming an ever present theme in the forums) when used to this degree is boring, tedious and certainly NOT fun. I will use my time more productively.
Isn't it sad when one finds they are more looking forward to this new lock box than the 3rd year celebration event. I too won't be participating in the event. I'll take advantage of the free stuff when I am on, but not grinding for the anniversary ship. I'll buy a Hirogen ship off the exchange or via the lobi store with the 800+ lobi I already have.
It is obvious they aren't listening to us, or simply don't care. I think their statistics after the month is over will show this year was the lowest stats yet of people participating in the anniversary celebrations. Oh well their loss not ours.
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well this is a **** storm here. while i support all the people that are angry because this new an. event. at the same time i understand cryptic point of view of making you play the game on a daily basis as i am sure they get some extra money out of it. now i will be harsh on both sides.
1. community
if the game in a test server last 5 min, this means you will finish it probably in 3 min. if you have 10 toons, this will be 30 min. a day, what can you do so much better whit your time in this game? not much. also, why do you all think you should have this new ships on ALL of your toons. I play this game for a long time, i have an. oddy and bortas on 3 of my toons, OUT OF 10. i didn't have all toons then, so they don't have those ships, big deal.
ships are free as you are playing a game and you don't have to pay for them, and you would play the game reword ship or not, so it is not work as some one compered it to it. you don't get payed when you play basketball whit your friends.
2. cryptic. repetition is your worst enemy and i am boggled that you don't understand this. when we had crystalline even, i grinded all my 7 toons (at that moment in time it was 7) and when i picked up rewords i didn't play the game for more then 2 months, and i was sure i wouldn't play star trek any more, it burned me completely, luckily for me and you i love ST IP to much, and you did put season 8 out so there was something new to play (but to be clear if there was no new content I would not be back to play this game for a long time, as experience after crys. event was sickening, and that bonus at the end of the day meant nothing).
leave this event as it is, rushing bad solutions will not solve the problem, so leave it as it is, and it will be what it will be, a sickening grind fest (you really did miss here, badly ).
but for next events, if i may, a little proposition (to petition the lord with prayer ).
make as one an. mission that will give 40 whatever for the end game, but make it so that whatever els we play we get 5 of it out those per any missions, stf, ad. zone, story line missions, etc... that way at least we can avoid the biggest problem and that is repetition.
P.S.
and by all means if some one WANTS to buy an. prize, put the price on 5000 zen or 800 crystals and let them.
I cant believe it has been 4 years. From day 0ne to today he games has become night and day. the game is on the right track. What this game really need is more Stf like the borg one in all the other faction. Happy Birthday Star Trek Online
Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers? :P
Not really, no. Game might as well have been called "Star Trekkin" all along from what I've seen. Only been here since 2nd Anniversary though, maybe 'twas different before that.
"Ah- we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men!"
The solution, I think, is the featured episode itself. It's 400 "Qmendations" for the first run, right? Maybe make it 20-25 "Qmendations" on every subsequent playthrough. Much more desirable than party patrol.
Also, remove the time gating. And let us share Qmendation between characters on the same account.
Not really, no. Game might as well have been called "Star Trekkin" all along from what I've seen. Only been here since 2nd Anniversary though, maybe 'twas different before that.
"Ah- we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men!"
As others have said Bran, why post that you are listening to our feedback, then post a Dev blog that shows that you have infact not done so.
When so many have said that grindaversary is a very bad idea, you should come up with better solutions. Since we have to replay the new FE 3 times if we want all the gear, why not say play it a fourth time to get the ship(s)?
I have heard the rumors of a reset token, but so far no info on this either how much it will cost, or if it will work on the grindaversary. If it does work on the grindaversary, that is a nice option, if the tokens are not stupidly expensive that is...
But the main thing that grinds my gears is the fact that you told us you were listening, and then go ahead with the original plans regardless of our feedback.
Why tell us the above when it was not true? Does give us a sour taste in our nouths, and blunts your/Cryptic's credibility...
No, the tokens are not a good option. The grind was added specifically to sell those tokens. It's like getting punched in the face and being offered to pay them to not punch you in the face.
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No, the tokens are not a good option. The grind was added specifically to sell those tokens. It's like getting punched in the face and being offered to pay them to not punch you in the face.
A protection racket? Heh. That might be a step too far with the hyperbole.
The solution, I think, is the featured episode itself. It's 400 "Qmendations" for the first run, right? Maybe make it 20-25 "Qmendations" on every subsequent playthrough. Much more desirable than party patrol.
This would work...if the people emphasizing how hard they're listening (that would be Cryptic) gave a [censored].
But the fact that they're "closely monitoring this thread" for all its "valuable feedback" and have since announced that we're still to grab our ankles and chase Q for a while makes clear the reality: "We care enough to make a pretense of listening, while we go ahead and do whatever we've decided anyway. Thanks for your feedback, hamsters, now get on your wheels and get to it if you want your so-called 'gift' from us. But hey, we're adding a new way to buy your way to the head of the line, so enjoy!" :rolleyes:
Every ship acquired free from events (Chel Grett, basic Odyssey, basic Bortasq, Plesh Brek, Risian Corvette, Ambassador) have been per character unlocks.
don't forget that fleet ships are per character ( at a cost of 4 ship modules which is twenty dollars, that is more or less a rip off, considering there are ships in game I can pay a lot less for that unlock for all my characters..)
ive said it a ton on the forums, the prices are way to high, the methods are way to boring and grindy, and the alternatives are too expensive in both time and recources..
If as a child my parents had told me that for my b-day they had a (insert cool gift here) but that I would have to do chores for 15 days to get it, I would have told them to keep it. If they told me "no, you'll really want it. This it's the deluxe model", it would just upset me even more.
As an adult, If my significant other came home for our anniversary and told me he had an amazing gift for me but that I would have to work for it and wait 15 days, I would tell him to take the present and shove it up his TRIBBLE$.
Same principal here folks. We don't care how SUPER COOL this ship is. The fact that it's SUPER COOL makes it worse. It's screwed up to make us grind for these ships. Make us grind for set consoles, make us grind for armor and weapons. Don't make us grind for ships, especially not anniversary ships.
you do realize that most of us already play on a daily basis, and we don't want to be forced into playing something we might not be particularly into playing, but rather playing what content we like..
beaming down to the academy and playing hide and seek, with 20 other people trying to do the same, is not my idea of fun..
and most here are not saying to just give us the ship, but to keep it in the spirit of the anniversary event, and focus on the fe, and reward us accordingly..
your comments about the repetition are there, and that is a big problem.. playing something more than once is fun, just not multiple times a day every day... asking a player to play something 16 times in a row is definatly a problem.. adding a ship to that makes it worse.. it wouldn't be so bad if you asked me to run something 15 times to get say a jet pack, or something that is cool, and desireable, but not necessarily game impacting..
the way I look at it is the event is all backwards.. the ship should be rewarded for completing just the FE, perhaps, the consoles should take a little extra work... at least you get the ship, and can move forward equipping it after, and feel some small feet of accomplishment and forward progression.. not get all the gear, and waite for the ship...
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your comments about the repetition are there, and that is a big problem.. playing something more than once is fun, just not multiple times a day every day... asking a player to play something 16 times in a row is definatly a problem..
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the way I look at it is the event is all backwards.. the ship should be rewarded for completing just the FE, perhaps, the consoles should take a little extra work... at least you get the ship, and can move forward equipping it after, and feel some small feet of accomplishment and forward progression.. not get all the gear, and waite for the ship...
This is true. We have nothing against repetition and to prove it just look at the Obelisk/Bortas/Temporal missions. many of us did that mission somewhere in the region of upto 50 times due to the number of toons we have. The difference is we never had the restrictive timings or forced (griefable) content.
No, the tokens are not a good option. The grind was added specifically to sell those tokens. It's like getting punched in the face and being offered to pay them to not punch you in the face.
What I meant by saying the tokens are a good option, is simply that those who want to use them to shorten the grindaversary, can do so.
I doubt the grind was specifically made to sell tokens, but perhaps a combination of ship grinding and token sales.
Also AFAIK, they have not yet mentioned the tokens in any Dev blog yet, so until they do, it's just speculations on our part...
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When so many have said that grindaversary is a very bad idea, you should come up with better solutions. Since we have to replay the new FE 3 times if we want all the gear, why not say play it a fourth time to get the ship(s)?
I have heard the rumors of a reset token, but so far no info on this either how much it will cost, or if it will work on the grindaversary. If it does work on the grindaversary, that is a nice option, if the tokens are not stupidly expensive that is...
But the main thing that grinds my gears is the fact that you told us you were listening, and then go ahead with the original plans regardless of our feedback.
Why tell us the above when it was not true? Does give us a sour taste in our nouths, and blunts your/Cryptic's credibility...
Wait, so the grind is per-character? If I have, for example, 4 characters that are more-or-less "main" I need to run the event 4 times a day?
I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on the mini-mission, but it seems like the ship should be account-bound...
Yes, from the sound of it, it's going to be the exact same thing as the winter event and Q photos
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Every ship acquired free from events (Chel Grett, basic Odyssey, basic Bortasq, Plesh Brek, Risian Corvette, Ambassador) have been per character unlocks.
Technically, they are not even unlocks. You can't reclaim those event ships if you dismiss them.
Very true. Also you can add the Kamarg to that list as well.
Isn't it sad when one finds they are more looking forward to this new lock box than the 3rd year celebration event. I too won't be participating in the event. I'll take advantage of the free stuff when I am on, but not grinding for the anniversary ship. I'll buy a Hirogen ship off the exchange or via the lobi store with the 800+ lobi I already have.
It is obvious they aren't listening to us, or simply don't care. I think their statistics after the month is over will show this year was the lowest stats yet of people participating in the anniversary celebrations. Oh well their loss not ours.
1. community
if the game in a test server last 5 min, this means you will finish it probably in 3 min. if you have 10 toons, this will be 30 min. a day, what can you do so much better whit your time in this game? not much. also, why do you all think you should have this new ships on ALL of your toons. I play this game for a long time, i have an. oddy and bortas on 3 of my toons, OUT OF 10. i didn't have all toons then, so they don't have those ships, big deal.
ships are free as you are playing a game and you don't have to pay for them, and you would play the game reword ship or not, so it is not work as some one compered it to it. you don't get payed when you play basketball whit your friends.
2. cryptic. repetition is your worst enemy and i am boggled that you don't understand this. when we had crystalline even, i grinded all my 7 toons (at that moment in time it was 7) and when i picked up rewords i didn't play the game for more then 2 months, and i was sure i wouldn't play star trek any more, it burned me completely, luckily for me and you i love ST IP to much, and you did put season 8 out so there was something new to play (but to be clear if there was no new content I would not be back to play this game for a long time, as experience after crys. event was sickening, and that bonus at the end of the day meant nothing).
leave this event as it is, rushing bad solutions will not solve the problem, so leave it as it is, and it will be what it will be, a sickening grind fest (you really did miss here, badly
but for next events, if i may, a little proposition (to petition the lord with prayer
make as one an. mission that will give 40 whatever for the end game, but make it so that whatever els we play we get 5 of it out those per any missions, stf, ad. zone, story line missions, etc... that way at least we can avoid the biggest problem and that is repetition.
P.S.
and by all means if some one WANTS to buy an. prize, put the price on 5000 zen or 800 crystals and let them.
all the best and keep up the good work.
Oddball
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^^^^ This 100000000000000000000000000000000000 times
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=590121
Correction: This was STAR TREK Online, now it is Star GRIND Online. Now with less Trek and more grind.
Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers? :P
Explorers? What is that?
you mean those poorly generated and repetitive exploration missions you can do out in the "unexplored" area maps? you can still do those
No-one knows anymore.
Also Cryptic, fyi - this is how you do an Anniversary Giveaway.
Not really, no. Game might as well have been called "Star Trekkin" all along from what I've seen. Only been here since 2nd Anniversary though, maybe 'twas different before that.
We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men!"
Also, remove the time gating. And let us share Qmendation between characters on the same account.
That's the joke.
No, the tokens are not a good option. The grind was added specifically to sell those tokens. It's like getting punched in the face and being offered to pay them to not punch you in the face.
A protection racket? Heh. That might be a step too far with the hyperbole.
This would work...if the people emphasizing how hard they're listening (that would be Cryptic) gave a [censored].
But the fact that they're "closely monitoring this thread" for all its "valuable feedback" and have since announced that we're still to grab our ankles and chase Q for a while makes clear the reality: "We care enough to make a pretense of listening, while we go ahead and do whatever we've decided anyway. Thanks for your feedback, hamsters, now get on your wheels and get to it if you want your so-called 'gift' from us. But hey, we're adding a new way to buy your way to the head of the line, so enjoy!" :rolleyes:
don't forget that fleet ships are per character ( at a cost of 4 ship modules which is twenty dollars, that is more or less a rip off, considering there are ships in game I can pay a lot less for that unlock for all my characters..)
ive said it a ton on the forums, the prices are way to high, the methods are way to boring and grindy, and the alternatives are too expensive in both time and recources..
It's not hyperbolic at all. Although, it's more like paying to get the beating all in one go rather than just one punch in the face a day.
If as a child my parents had told me that for my b-day they had a (insert cool gift here) but that I would have to do chores for 15 days to get it, I would have told them to keep it. If they told me "no, you'll really want it. This it's the deluxe model", it would just upset me even more.
As an adult, If my significant other came home for our anniversary and told me he had an amazing gift for me but that I would have to work for it and wait 15 days, I would tell him to take the present and shove it up his TRIBBLE$.
Same principal here folks. We don't care how SUPER COOL this ship is. The fact that it's SUPER COOL makes it worse. It's screwed up to make us grind for these ships. Make us grind for set consoles, make us grind for armor and weapons. Don't make us grind for ships, especially not anniversary ships.
you do realize that most of us already play on a daily basis, and we don't want to be forced into playing something we might not be particularly into playing, but rather playing what content we like..
beaming down to the academy and playing hide and seek, with 20 other people trying to do the same, is not my idea of fun..
and most here are not saying to just give us the ship, but to keep it in the spirit of the anniversary event, and focus on the fe, and reward us accordingly..
your comments about the repetition are there, and that is a big problem.. playing something more than once is fun, just not multiple times a day every day... asking a player to play something 16 times in a row is definatly a problem.. adding a ship to that makes it worse.. it wouldn't be so bad if you asked me to run something 15 times to get say a jet pack, or something that is cool, and desireable, but not necessarily game impacting..
the way I look at it is the event is all backwards.. the ship should be rewarded for completing just the FE, perhaps, the consoles should take a little extra work... at least you get the ship, and can move forward equipping it after, and feel some small feet of accomplishment and forward progression.. not get all the gear, and waite for the ship...
This is true. We have nothing against repetition and to prove it just look at the Obelisk/Bortas/Temporal missions. many of us did that mission somewhere in the region of upto 50 times due to the number of toons we have. The difference is we never had the restrictive timings or forced (griefable) content.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
What I meant by saying the tokens are a good option, is simply that those who want to use them to shorten the grindaversary, can do so.
I doubt the grind was specifically made to sell tokens, but perhaps a combination of ship grinding and token sales.
Also AFAIK, they have not yet mentioned the tokens in any Dev blog yet, so until they do, it's just speculations on our part...