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Re: 4-yr Ann. Event (was: Enjoy another rep for anniversary ships *post #30 & #643*)

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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I have read and reread all the comments good and bad and I still think this is a grand event that I will really enjoy.
    so for the anniversary event they are giving us at least 3 c-store items (maybe more?) free of charge as a thank you and the cherry on top is to extend the celebrations they are giving us the chance if we want it to get free event rep ship that sounds like it might just be the best event rep ship they have ever given us.
    this all sounds really cool to me and I think they deserve a mighty big birthday cheer from all of us. hip hip hooray. :)

    So, you have all the time in the world or just a couple of toons I take it.

    Or does 90 minutes becoming 9 hours not register as something unwelcome?
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited January 2014
    I am quite confident that cryptic will take a sensible approach and reduce the max number of runs to 10 or less given the feedback already decisively negative - And from probably only a small portion of the player bases that knows. I can image that 50% or more that will come back for the anniversary event have no idea that it will be different from last year.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Can I grind something for the "free" C-Store giveaways next week ?

    Please ?


    ... looking forward to celebrating the Grind ... -- now two years and going stronger then ever . WooHoo !!!
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    errab wrote: »
    And this is the crux of the biscuit- Cryptic is showing us just how much they really care about us. It's just that simple.

    More like we're being shown how much the care about getting every possible dime out of us that they can.

    Rocky Horror Picture Show moment: SAME THING!! :D
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    orion0029 wrote: »
    At first glance I'd have to agree that the grind for the anniversary ship seems like an uncalled for grind and tax on people's time, however i recently read the Dev Blog: Ships ? From Start to Finish which gives some hints as to the new ships and what they do, and I have to agree (at least partially) that these new ships are worth a little extra effort to obtain, but since I(like most players) have multiple characters the daily mission to complete to get these ships will become tiring very quickly.

    It would be nicer if these new ships were account unlocks (Like C-Store ships), in that after you acquired one you could claim it as many times as you wanted on your characters, so that once you did the 'grinding' and earned these impressive ships you wouldn't have to do it all over again for your other toons...

    That being said, Cryptic is giving away free account unlocks from the C-Store in the days leading up to the Anniversary event, so that would effectively be the freebie reward that people want, and all you'd have to do is log in and claim it, much less effort than past anniversary events.

    I would like to comment on the 'grinding' complaints scattered throughout the forums by saying this: If you got all the best gear without having to work for it, how long would you be interested in playing STO? It would get boring pretty quickly having all the 'best' items in the game and not having a goal to work toward anymore, wouldn't it?

    Lastly I'd like to thank the developers for continuing to (or at least trying to) make this a game worth playing, despite its shortcomings STO is a great game and will likely continue to be for years to come.
    Rep grinds are one thing, as they are not limited time and you can stop if you get tired of doing a particular one for a few days. Hell, I stopped doing Romulan for the better part of half a year because I got tired of grinding the marks, and I could still go back and finish them later.

    This on, the other hand, is a limited time grind where if you miss too much you can't just pick it up later since it only lasts for 25 days. People really need to realise that grinding in and of itself for the game as a whole is not necessarily a problem, it's when you only have a limited time to do it in and it requires more than 5 or 6 repeats of the same thing to do. To much limited time grinding will burn people out faster than all the rep grinding, dil grinding and fleet grinding in this game combined.

    And other than the transform, there's nothing about this ship that means it needs to be this kind of grind.

    And no, the free giveaways don't make it any better.
  • hillard1959hillard1959 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Yo Dawg, I heard you like grinding events. So we put some grind in your grind so you can grind while you grind.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    orion0029 wrote: »

    I would like to comment on the 'grinding' complaints scattered throughout the forums by saying this: If you got all the best gear without having to work for it, how long would you be interested in playing STO? It would get boring pretty quickly having all the 'best' items in the game and not having a goal to work toward anymore, wouldn't it?

    Blimey.


    Welcome to the forums, this being your first post and all.

    Don't know if you've been playing the game long enough to remember the previous two anniversary events though.

    You see, there's been a rhythm to ingame events up to now.

    We've just had the winter wonderland. We expect we will have the chance to grind for an interesting, ten console ship.

    And what usually follows is the anniversary event.

    This has, up to now, been a welcome change of pace after grinding at the WW.

    We've done a fifteen minute FE, and received as an anniversary gift a nine console ship of some sort.

    Those ships aren't as good as the WW ships, at least on paper.

    But thats not the point, because its not just a random event.

    Its a celebration of this fine MMO becoming a year older. An achievement that belongs both to the developers and us, the players.

    So, after grinding at the WW, we look forward to that celebration, an affirmation of the invisible contract between players and devs.

    And whats happened?

    We know that there need to be obstacles between us and the best kit, thats the game and people usually aren't that stupid.

    However, MMOs are more than just accumulations of game mechanics.

    This grindaversary has lost sight of something important.

    Thats the beef.
  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This post has only been up for a little over 2 days, and is already over 850 post. The majority of what players have expressed has been distaste for the way things are heading for the anniversary event.

    Pwebranflakes has said that this post is being watched, and our concerns are being considered. My question is if our concerns will have any weight on deciding to keep it like planned, or if it will be changed in a way to make it more enjoyable?

    I don't know anything about programming, code, or any of the development work. Therefore, I don't know how long it would take to make whatever changes will be needed to make it fun, instead of a grind.

    Is there any way that we can get some info of what the developer's plans are? (Keeping it the same, or changing it.)

    If it is kept, can they at least make it where we can turn the extra Q commendations into refined Dilithium, or convert them into Lobi crystals? The Gold Pressed Latinum has no value for most (though not all) players.

    Just a thought.
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Other thing people (and developers) need to realise is that the length of the repeatable portion while grinding isn't important. 5 minutes of a task that is not fun is just as bad as 30 minutes in the eyes of the people wanting to do it. If it's not fun, people will hate doing it no matter how long it takes. Locking something good behind it may get some people to want to do the thing they are, it may not make others.

    I will add that at least the 30 minute one would have the chance of adding more interesting things that may make the repeat less monotonous the more you do it.
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2014
    I understand that the previous anniversary ships (ie. Odyssey and Ambassador), were like the Obelisk (Do a mission get the ship, done), but if you look at those ships they were effectively stripped down versions of the C-Store and Fleet versions, the 4th anniversary ship is a stand alone ship* with its own interesting features, while it may/may not be worth getting is a matter of opinion, but since the ship is not a stripped down version* of another ship, some extra effort is not out of line, however, I am not saying that i completely approve of the 15 day grind required to get it, I'm just saying that a little more than just one mission seems appropriate for a non-stripped down model.

    *likely not a stripped down model, just a guess, but a logical one.
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    razar2380 wrote: »
    This post has only been up for a little over 2 days, and is already over 850 post. The majority of what players have expressed has been distaste for the way things are heading for the anniversary event.

    Pwebranflakes has said that this post is being watched, and our concerns are being considered. My question is if our concerns will have any weight on deciding to keep it like planned, or if it will be changed in a way to make it more enjoyable?

    I don't know anything about programming, code, or any of the development work. Therefore, I don't know how long it would take to make whatever changes will be needed to make it fun, instead of a grind.

    Is there any way that we can get some info of what the developer's plans are? (Keeping it the same, or changing it.)

    If it is kept, can they at least make it where we can turn the extra Q commendations into refined Dilithium, or convert them into Lobi crystals? The Gold Pressed Latinum has no value for most (though not all) players.

    Just a thought.


    oh its too late for them to hit the breaks on this one man.. im sorry to say, but its less than a week away.. they can barely change a color in the game in that amount of time.. and past cryptic (pwe) has shown that they may be watching, but that very very rarely has any effect on what is to come.. but at least they know the player base has had enouph...
  • abfabfleetabfabfleet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What happened to the days when we just played? Ohh wait, PWE came along and said ROOOOCK BOX, MUSSST BUY, NO BUY! LIKE BASE? PRETTY! OH YOU GRINE, YOU GRINE LONGTIME FOR BASE! :mad:

    ---- Three words: ENOUGH WITH GRINDING. :eek:

    If I wanted to grind anything, I'd grab my wife and grind off on a vacation with the amount of time, money and energy I'd be saving GRINDING for something that as a 'thank you' or Anniversary gift should be for free. :D

    Let me guess, for your partners in your real lives, do you make them GRIND or run mini-missions for 3 to 5 minutes for the gift, after 4 years of dedication??????? :rolleyes:
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    puttenham wrote: »
    oh its too late for them to hit the breaks on this one man.. im sorry to say, but its less than a week away.. they can barely change a color in the game in that amount of time.. and past cryptic (pwe) has shown that they may be watching, but that very very rarely has any effect on what is to come.. but at least they know the player base has had enouph...

    They might not be able to change the way that they set the event up but I sure they could change the timer on the cool down.

    The Gift of Grind has a way of thanking us for Grinding is just a bit to much IMO.

    If plans can't be changed drastically then I suggest taking a zero off the cool down timer on the mini game events and allow the players to run the events for the commendations once every Two hours so that the players can go at their own pace while the event is running or even better just remove the cool down timer all together.

    It's like Cryptic has put our thank you gifts on a lay A Way plan.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    orion0029 wrote: »
    I understand that the previous anniversary ships (ie. Odyssey and Ambassador), were like the Obelisk (Do a mission get the ship, done), but if you look at those ships they were effectively stripped down versions of the C-Store and Fleet versions, the 4th anniversary ship is a stand alone ship with its own interesting features, while it may/may not be worth getting is a matter of opinion, but since the ship is not a stripped down version of another ship, some extra effort is not out of line, however, I am not saying that i completely approve of the 15 day grind required to get it, I'm just saying that a little more than just one mission seems appropriate for a non-stripped down model.

    So basically you've got insider information that there won't be a Fleet/C-store 10-console version of this 9-console ship?
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2014
    Excuse me for making a logical guess, but from the bits an pieces it is fairly safe to assume that there will be no C-Store version, perhaps a fleet version or a Lobi version, but since this thing already has several 'bells and whistles' it would be overpowered if there were a C-store version with it's own 'bells and whistles'
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    orion0029 wrote: »
    Excuse me for making a logical guess, but from the bits an pieces it is safe to assume that there will be no C-Store version, perhaps a fleet version, but since this thing already has several 'bells and whistles' it would be overpowered if there were a C-store version with it's own 'bells and whistles'

    I don't know how safe an assumption that is.

    Seems highly likely there'll be a ten console version somewhere, either C-store or fleet, possibly lobi.

    Whatever, its not like it wont be monetarised that way.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I had a night to sleep on it. As much as I used to like the anniversary event and what it meant, it has gone sour for me.

    As others had said it was meant to be a celebration for both the Devs and us players who decided (we didn't need to) to stick around throw some money into the game and support it. Without the support of the players this game wouldn't have lasted it's sale by Atari to PWE (known as the content drought by players from the time), or even it's early days of F2P were content was slow had more bugs than a flee circus.

    Of topic for a second, please do a season dedicated to improve your rendering system to help reduce lag. It's well know among the modding community of Trek games than STO stacks identical models on top of one another so instead of one ship you actually have what 4 or 8 there (can't remember the number) multiply that by how many models on screen and ouch. That certainly can't help with lag and they certainly aren't LODS as they are identical.

    Back to topic:

    Turning a celebration into a grind is a very poor choice in my opinion. People still have enough grind to keep them playing (Fleet and Rep systems to name the two most noticeable ones). The grind actually drove me away from this game for a good 6 or so months. I stopped playing a few weeks after LoR went live and didn't even play all the new content there until the other day. I used to play almost everyday when I had the time, threw a fair amount of money into the c-store and for a LTS when their first LTS sale was on. I know many others have spent a lot more than I.

    But with this becoming another grind, I am not going to participate especially due to it being on a timeframe. During the Crystal event my wife missed out on one of those shards and due to that all the work she did was for nothing, because it was a limited time thing.

    Now I have a suggestion for change, some may have already been suggested. But combined this may be a better way of doing things if you're determined to turn a celebration into a grind and destroy the spirit of the event.

    Instead of the 20hr cool down or whatever it is just get rid of it and allow players to play the mission/game 15 times whenever they feel like it for the ship. So if a player wants to do it in the span of a single day they can. Then they don't have to log on 15 days to get it, which isn't possible for a lot of your loyal players. Also make it account unlock this helping the people who run 10+ characters. I was talking to a guy in zone the other day and he has 50 characters poor guy. Lastly add the marks or whatever they called to other content, like the rep missions as an additional reward this allowing players to play the game how they choose to get the ship. They will still be in-game so you'll get your statistics and all that, but at least they won't be forced to play the same mission 15 times over 15 days on 15 characters which takes about 15 minutes (depending on player skill).

    However if it stays as it is now, my collection of anniversary ships will come to an unfortunate end as I won't be join in. I won;t bother with future events either as the sour taste will still be there.

    I'd much prefer it to go back to the way it was, play a fun mission and be rewarded for our loyalty to the game for so many years.
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  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    I don't know how safe an assumption that is.

    Seems highly likely there'll be a ten console version somewhere, either C-store or fleet, possibly lobi.

    Whatever, its not like it wont be monetarised that way.

    This is a faction ship, not the non-faction ships in Summer/Winter event which are the only version of these ships. It is highly likely that the same ship for the anniversary will end up in C-store later on so STO/Cryhptic can recoup the development cost for this ship (as it is with the rep grind, many players will opt out for the all-account purchase later on), and then the Fleet version with 10-consoles and improved shield/hull will come out (probably in the Dyson rep Tier 3). It is all about seeing how many will want it now (via grind or lobi) and how many more will pay for it later on. :rolleyes:
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2014
    ...
    Instead of the 20hr cool down or whatever it is just get rid of it and allow players to play the mission/game 15 times whenever they feel like it for the ship. So if a player wants to do it in the span of a single day they can. Then they don't have to log on 15 days to get it, which isn't possible for a lot of your loyal players. Also make it account unlock this helping the people who run 10+ characters. I was talking to a guy in zone the other day and he has 50 characters poor guy. Lastly add the marks or whatever they called to other content, like the rep missions as an additional reward this allowing players to play the game how they choose to get the ship. They will still be in-game so you'll get your statistics and all that, but at least they won't be forced to play the same mission 15 times over 15 days on 15 characters which takes about 15 minutes (depending on player skill).
    ...

    I have to agree with this, at least partially, let players do the whole thing in one day if they want, it would be nicer if there were fewer mission repeats than 15, but this would be better than two weeks of the same missions over, and over, and over, and over, etc...
  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited January 2014
    Instead of the proposed 1 FE= 400 marks then 15x 40 mark runs why not something like the Sphere of Influence was (2 runs to collect both the ship/omni beam and the warp core) 2 FE runs=800 marks then 5 x 40mark runs I know for some of us with 40+ characters buying a limited time ship later as a fleet version is just not an option. Hopefully they decide to change it around a bit as the Mini-Q shell game last year was sooo annoying that only 1 character even bothered with it hopefully the unknown 2nd option they mentioned will be less annoying than mini Q.
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  • giantspacecrabgiantspacecrab Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Oh hey. Looks like they're answering the ability to cut down on mark daily time.

    Post and picture curtsey of tikonov over in the zen cooldown idea thread.

    http://i.imgur.com/ARyr6Zv.jpg


    I'm really starting to see every single person who called our former head boss leaving to be replaced cause some terrible changes were incoming were dead on with this. History taught me with this I foresee the following other changes. Nerf or general reduction in marks gained, the 'solution' to make other grinds more tolerable is this pay cash shop money option to reduce it. And also quite potentially longer instance CDs to encourage purchase.

    The news from this grindversy is getting worse and worse. Can't wait for the other awful news at this point. Is it also time for Arc soon?
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited January 2014

    The news from this grindversy is getting worse and worse. Can't wait for the other awful news at this point. Is it also time for Arc soon?

    It's going to be renamed Grindiarc.

    But you will be able to buy a weekly token to opt out.

    Only 200 lobi.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The news from this grindversy is getting worse and worse. Can't wait for the other awful news at this point. Is it also time for Arc soon?

    the age of launcher... is over...!! the time of the ARC has come!!!!!!!!!
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  • notorycznynotoryczny Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I gave it some more thought and I just can't shake off the feeling that the "new" anniversary event is like... "You worked for our company faithfully for 25 years, so why don't you go to the store and buy yourself a gold watch as a reward"
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    notoryczny wrote: »
    I gave it some more thought and I just can't shake off the feeling that the "new" anniversary event is like... "You worked for our company faithfully for 25 years, so why don't you go to the store and buy yourself a gold watch as a reward"
    lol wut? It's not like it's actually HARD....
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Oh hey. Looks like they're answering the ability to cut down on mark daily time.

    Post and picture curtsey of tikonov over in the zen cooldown idea thread.

    http://i.imgur.com/ARyr6Zv.jpg


    I'm really starting to see every single person who called our former head boss leaving to be replaced cause some terrible changes were incoming were dead on with this. History taught me with this I foresee the following other changes. Nerf or general reduction in marks gained, the 'solution' to make other grinds more tolerable is this pay cash shop money option to reduce it. And also quite potentially longer instance CDs to encourage purchase.

    The news from this grindversy is getting worse and worse. Can't wait for the other awful news at this point. Is it also time for Arc soon?

    I'm hoping that the picture is a photoshop but at this point it would not surprise me in the least if Cryptic decided to go with a daily reset option that could be purchased in the Zen shop.
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  • giantspacecrabgiantspacecrab Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    errab wrote: »
    I'm hoping that the picture is a photoshop but at this point it would not surprise me in the least if Cryptic decided to go with a daily reset option that could be purchased in the Zen shop.

    Unfortunately, if you go to the tribble section right now, under the latest patch notes you can see people asking just what it is at the moment. Meaning they added it in just recently. That was before I even saw the picture.
  • ficrficr Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Until I read this thread I didn't know that I could get last year's anniversary ship on my other alts by running the storyline because...I've been so busy with all the other GRINDING.

    I understand that they want us to log on for 15 days. Fine, have some other promotion. But don't do it to the anniversary.

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  • trenttylertrenttyler Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Hi Captains,
    I may have some additional information than this, but here is some more information about the event that I can share now:

    • As mentioned, you'll get 400 Qmendations on your first play through of the new FE.
    • The "daily" to get 40 more has taken 2-5 minutes on average during testing, and you either complete one mini-game or another for the daily.
    • The event runs for 28 days (we say 25+ as we also have maintenances, etc.)
    • With only 600 more Qmendations needed, you'll need to complete 15 dailies in those 28 days (around once every other day, or so).

    We've got this information and much more planned in upcoming Dev Blogs, so stay tuned and thanks again for your passion and feedback.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    I think what most people have their panties in a twist becuase the anniversary event was always a "thank you" to the player base for sticking around through some pretty rought times with this game. The turning into a grind event is taken as so much of a slap in the face, that many are just feeling let down and starting to realize that "Special" feeling of a company rewarding its player base has left the building.

    I mean, really, when do we get t0 ENJOY the game, instead of logging into another MUST DO grind. Please rethink this, no matter how much better the ship is than past anniversary ships, cant it just be a "Thank You"?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    trenttyler wrote: »
    I think what most people have their panties in a twist becuase the anniversary event was always a "thank you" to the player base for sticking around through some pretty rought times with this game. The turning into a grind event is taken as so much of a slap in the face, that many are just feeling let down and starting to realize that "Special" feeling of a company rewarding its player base has left the building.

    I mean, really, when do we get t0 ENJOY the game, instead of logging into another MUST DO grind. Please rethink this, no matter how much better the ship is than past anniversary ships, cant it just be a "Thank You"?
    Meh, if you REALLY grind as hard as you can you can get it done in 12. :P It's not really a gift... I don't understand why people expect it to be free....
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