Faction Wide Account unlock if the player is willing to do the grind, meaning that I would only have to endure running the event with 3 Characters instead of the 10 that I have.
I suppose it could be made even more player friendly by making it an account wide unlock that awards each faction specific vessel to proper characters on the players account provided that at least one Character on the account has completed the event.
The way that this anniversary event is currently set up it just does not feel like a celebration; it feels more like a milk grind IMO.
I would definitely support a faction-specific account-wide unlock. The grind for 3 characters - kind of boring, but at least less "grindy" than trying to quick level up new toons, etc.
If account-wide is a bad word, as it seems to be, perhaps an alternative to grinding every single character would be the ability to get a sponsorship token for the other toons. Something that works through the reputation system, allowing your main character to do most of the grind, and the sponsorship token represents the amount of dailies needed.
Then every character/captain has to complete the one FE mission that rewards 400 Qmendations, but a sponsorship token equals 600 Qmendations to the receiving character/captain.
I personally don't mind doing FE missions on all characters, but it's been over a year since I've been actually able to PLAY the game due to all of the grinding, with rep projects, fleet projects, be-at-this-level to participate in such-and-such an event, etc. I would really like to go through the storyline and missions, including the FE's, with at least one of my characters.
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Yeah, go punch a steel wall every day and we'll give you $20. Also if you punch that wall for every member in your family you'll get an addition $20 per family member. 45 family members?! Well you have to punch the steel wall 45 times a day for 15 days... Oh, and you have to punch it hard with the same hand. Your hand is hurting from the last event? Too bad, this is another steel wall event.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
Please please please please start taking into account that (and I will bet most of your) players have more than one character.
Oh they do, you can grind on your other characters, too!
After what I seen in summer/winter events, Cryptic turned anniversary mission into another form of grind. I dont care if the reward is a ship that switches boff stations and deflector/dhc, or if it has 9 or 10 consoles - I will not grind for it, and I will cretainly not open lockboxes for lobi to "lessen the grind".
Its not an anniversary event anymore, its another "buy keys" campaign.
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Yeah, go punch a steel wall every day and we'll give you $20. Also if you punch that wall for every member in your family you'll get an addition $20 per family member. 45 family members?! Well you have to punch the steel wall 45 times a day for 15 days... Oh, and you have to punch it hard with the same hand. Your hand is hurting from the last event? Too bad, this is another steel wall event.
Yeah, go punch a steel wall every day and we'll give you $20. Also if you punch that wall for every member in your family you'll get an addition $20 per family member. 45 family members?! Well you have to punch the steel wall 45 times a day for 15 days... Oh, and you have to punch it hard with the same hand. Your hand is hurting from the last event? Too bad, this is another steel wall event.
You really need to stop and think about what people are talking about here. Yes there is valid points in there complaints and some of what you said is true atlantra. But in end it give you no right to reply as you do hawk. People are burned out due to the rep and this endless grind TRIBBLE. Hell even i'm tired of grinding after 3 toons and i have 4 more to go. Just try to think of others before you post please. And Brandon at least consider knocking it back to 10 days just this way people with multiple characters can get the item and not be left out. That is all i ask.
You're implying that there's somehow an objective factor in it. Even if the entire population agrees on one position, it's still an opinion.
It is true, that "good" and "bad" are often value judgements. But we can imagine systems like Kantian Ethics or John Rawl's Social Justice Theory that try to create objective characterizations of "ethical" or "just." Using a form of argumentation like this we could interpret whether Cryptic's decisions may conform to or conflict with these seemingly objective categories.
That being said, I am not making that argument today. I vote "I don't like grinds," and doubt I will participate. Those ships are ugly anyway. I do tend to prefer ships that emulate faction designs over those Breen ships and Obelisk ship that just sit in my inventory. But I don't like the idea of a Voth inspired Federation ship, and I worry more about the implication of more Voth inspiration for season 9. I also think there is enough grind in STO, and worry that this decision is an unhealthy direction for the game.
I had initially been ok with this grind, thinking it was a 10 console/fleet grade ship ('normal' ones take longer to grind for in terms of ec/dil/zen anyway...)
but looking at newest dev blog that isnt going to be the case? ( 9 console slots in screenie )
Went from getting it on my 3 mains and possible alts if the daily wasnt too bad : to probably not bothering at all :P
I agree. I have three chars, one per faction, all tacticals. In my humble opinion, they should make it account-wide unlocks.
Or at least make a 50-50.
You unpack the ship, and it is bound to you. Make it available through fleet spire and instead of making us pay let's say 2 modules like the Obelisk for other toons (still 9 console layout), it will cost only one. This should make a fair approach for those who want them on all toons without getting so much bored to hate their playtime for two weeks.
If you hadn't got one it will stay full-priced of course.
Really, I'm currently farming for getting the other two romulan dreadnought (TRIBBLE me who couldn't resist to the Scimitar itself!). By those two weeks, I'll be done and honestly, rocking on them only. The Fed has already a Mobius (which looks identical if not better to these hybrids) and a fleet Avenger to have fun with, Klingon... I don't play it if not for farming purposes but has the breen raider, with one more console slot.
Except you're not getting something for free. You are working for a reward for a character. Sure you may not 'pay' with EC, but you're doing a task, it's keeping you logged in ,padding their numbers and hoping you're in a fleet so your fleetmates can see. Plus you're devoting your time to potentially do this more then once. Even if say they move it to the fleet store (which people put effort and time to unlock, so far from it as well), it will still cost modules, which someone paid 5 bucks. Again, you may buy it with credits.. but real cash was exchanged to generate the item somewhere.
Free will be those cstore account-wide unlock items, for good or worse. Even if it is a marketing aspect. I can log in, run a quick STF or event and get enough markets to raise my reputation. Doesn't mean it was for free. People are seriously buying into this stuff and it's sad.
To Cryptic, this is a pretty new low. This really shines of some Korean grind MMO style lately. But since you feel so intent on copying it, let me remind you of some history. Even the biggest K-MMO had a mass leaving of people who got fed up. From people who knew what they were talking into and grinded everything in a game with terrible drop rates and much more. I'd becareful just cause you're really fast approaching that straw that's breaking the camel's back. Then again, what do you really care. One look at Champions shows just that. How fast you move on to other games and how much you can turn each one into a crazy grind.
I mean do you guys even hear yourselves? "Oh we put some work into this so you have to grind." It's not even like the mechanic is going to stay exclusive to these ships. Hell, you couldn't have even been bothered to come up with a story reasoning. (Insert Faction) engineers have been working -- wait, so why is Q is involved in this? Sorry Sir, I didn't play with Q long enough so I can't get a ship? If you're just going to give everyone a free pack? Why not just I dunno reduce the number needed overall? Or hell, drop the pointless time gates. But no, we're doing your work and padding your numbers, showing everyone what good little grind monkeys we are. Evident enough by sending our captains/admirals out to mines to do pointless labor getting ore. Even if you're so heartfelt on keeping this grind heavy nonsense in, there are so many better ways to handle it, or make it more friendly. Involve it in people's routines, make it a doff mission, or complete any mission to get credit for it. You got a lot of information that needs to get out there as well.
What happens when the event is over? Is it going to the lolfleet store? Or are there going to be c-store versions? This is the best you can do for the celebration? Least the Temporal Ambassador one is still around. You know, yeah, I don't grind that mission. But I have replayed it on every alt that got that high in level. This new stuff? Can't say I will. Did the winter grind. Only the ship from the race, and even that was boring between two characters. Didn't see a point in grinding holiday items. Grind holiday to... kill snowmen easier for what? To.. kill them some more? Some accolades? Unless they have a neat passive... pass. Some recolored clothing from last year...? Pass. (Though this is a personal preference. As the outfit wasn't for me.)
I like the idea of incorporating new technology, new ideas and new ships. This is something that would have been great for that Dyson T5 reward instead of a boff who you can't rename, can't customize. Heck the carrier should have been the same way, but nope. Can't pass up a way to throw grind + per alt unfriendly fleet modules into it. Oh well. We hit max level, we turn into mark farmers, dilithium farmers, fleet farmers, event farmers, might as well add anniversary farming to it as well. It's what we do best.
I'll just quote this one because what I would have written will most likely get me banned.
And so begins the end of STO. Which, is really sad, as this game was starting to get better.
The Free C-Store items? That is a joke. Just a quick bribe to try and calm the masses, and as you can see Cryptic, it isn't working. Like most players, all the ships that I might or do want, are already unlocked. So, for me, the 3 days of "Free" ships (Or whatever they give), will not help/please me as I will undoubtedly have those unlocked anyway. So, I will probably get nothing. If you want to make people happy with something, how about just awarding Zen? Say that you plan to give away 5000 Zen worth of ships. How about just giving each player that Zen instead? Let them use it as they see fit. That way, you are not giving away something that a lot of people already have unlocked.
I really, REALLY, liked BranFlakes comment about "No one was supposed to see that". Yeah, we were not supposed to know about the grind and change of the Anniversary Event until either a day before or the day of the start, and then it would be too late to do anything about. REALLY??? So, is that the shape of things to come for STO? Is that why we have a new Executive Producer? Someone to change the whole game to a point that no one will want to play, even if it is F2P? Because that is the way things are going. Oh, and you can tell them that the "Secret Projects" and the Console version of the games is a big joke. No one has commented on THAT yet. How you are going to be changing the entire dynamics of STO to make it work on a Console. Anyway, that is for a different forum, sorry, got off subject.
And, before people start yelling that I am just wanting something for free and don't want to work for it, let me say this to you..... I am a Lifetime Subscriber. I have, in the last year alone, spent over $2,500 USD on this game. So, yeah, I feel that I am entitled to my opinion and yes, I think the ships should be free to EVERYONE. Like they were in the past. If you have to work for it, it is not Free. Period.
And another doom post it tends to happen every month or so :P
You do realize they did the same thing last year giving away free c-store items so your theory on "doing this to calm the masses" doesn't make sense in this scenario. They're doing it because they DO want to thank the players. If they didn't care, they wouldn't do free stuff at all. I will comment on the EP thing after...
we all know that when someone new comes to be executive producer he is making radical changes in the game.
He wants to show to the Perfect World that when he become head of Cryptic that he did bring something to the game the new players, better online playing of STO, more players online etc...just for some stupid statistic to show that he matters.
In this point he wants to achieve that goals on our backs forcing us to grind like this " Free gift anniversary grind " that is really selfish from D'Angelo and clearly showing us that he has some ego issues.
So D'Angelo did you ever hear about false advertizing that players can sue company for that?
We as community can easily do that and guess what? We would won. Even we as community can ask the Perfect World for your resignation.
I don't care if it late to change your point of view of this anniversary, if you and your team will not sleep for 7 days and 7 nights .... CHANGE IT!!!!!
Really that is 50 lines of code, and you and your team have enough time to change it and test it. So stop playing stupid!!! And trying to bribe us with this puny
"Giveaway Announcement!" from C-store.
This anniversary event was planned MONTHS ago so I doubt it had much to do with Stephen. And no, it's not false advertising as it IS free. You're not having to pay real life money.As for the "it's only 50 lines of code". I didn't know you work for Cryptic/PWE because I'm betting it's a bit more than 50 lines.
And before someone comes along forgetting I've been here for over 4 years and not always the "fanboy" and thinks I'm defending this grind idea, I'm not. I actually hate the grind as much as anyone else to be honest. But really 15 days out of the 28ish it's running and it's a 10ish minute mission? I got better things to complain about than that
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I had initially been ok with this grind, thinking it was a 10 console/fleet grade ship ('normal' ones take longer to grind for in terms of ec/dil/zen anyway...)
but looking at newest dev blog that isnt going to be the case? ( 9 console slots in screenie )
Went from getting it on my 3 mains and possible alts if the daily wasnt too bad : to probably not bothering at all :P
m2 now lookis like i will not even play new fe since i do not plan to grind for 9 consoles ship
If its too much grind, well dont do it, but this is nothing with regards to any grind (and thats the game as a whole not just the anniversary event)
Cryptic needs to understand not everyone can grind 15 days in that time frame for the reward. This isnt a christmas event, but an event for ALL the players for playing the game for years.
Ive played since beta, im not asking to be handed the ship. Just add them as rewards to the FE mission like Odd/Amb. Im having shoulder surgery a few days after the event goes live. I wont be able to do 15 days of grinds.
They also need to understand at this point in time most of us have 5-10 alts. Those of us who want to get the ship on multiple characters then have to do sickening amounts of the same mission. People hate it so much lots of us just do winter/summer stuff on 1-2 characters.
I have 10 alts. Thats 10x15 IF i did all my toons IF my shoulder was able. Doing anything 150 times in 15 days sucks and becomes unfun. Im not even keen on doing a FE mission 10 times unless its really good like temporal ambassador.
I want to be able to log on and play how i like, i dont like being told do 15 days of missions for a ship thats to celebrate ME playing the game for 4 years.... I thought cryptic maybe learning grinds arent fun when they made the new dyson rep much more relaxed, now they throw another pointless grind in.
Stuff like the STFs are meant for grinds, as high level repeatable content. Xmas presents, summer evens, ann events are about celebrating players attaching grinds to them is stupid. Not to meantion most people travel during the holidays and cant always log in from their vacation spot. What you want the xmas ship, grind for 25 days straight so you can get it AFTER xmas..... who comes up with this stupid pointless junk?
Want us to do your mini games? fine. Make them fun and interesting, but dont try to bait us into grinding them. Its to noones gain.
You do realize they did the same thing last year giving away free c-store items so your theory on "doing this to calm the masses" doesn't make sense in this scenario. They're doing it because they DO want to thank the players. If they didn't care, they wouldn't do free stuff at all. I will comment on the EP thing after...
Random free stuff from the C-Store is a bit different to past Anniversaries, as that 'gift' could very well end up being nothing at all to people who already own the item offered. I can imagine quite a few people will get nothing what so ever from the initial give-away.
And before someone comes along forgetting I've been here for over 4 years and not always the "fanboy" and thinks I'm defending this grind idea, I'm not. I actually hate the grind as much as anyone else to be honest. But really 15 days out of the 28ish it's running and it's a 10ish minute mission? I got better things to complain about than that
So it is '10ish' now? Brian intoned around 5 minutes. Either way, it's making players waste their time in game repeating the same quickly dulling and time-grated task to get the kind of 'special anniversary ship' which they had been able to claim with one mission years prior. All the while, branding it as FREE, which it is not, as you have to work for it, and thus earn it. So it leaves a sense of 'Dance, monkeys, dance!' rather than the feeling of 'Thank you for keeping us alive.'
As I mentioned before, they could shoot for a 'best of both worlds' format. Single mission rewarding a basic version, and then let people grind for the high-end super shiny par to the other grinder reward ships. This is both disappointing in the Thank-you 'gift' being locked behind a grind this year, and additionally underwhelming at what seems to be just T5 instead of T5.5 which other similar events gave.
It feels like rather than truly thank players. people are just being coerced to waste time in game to inflate playtime statistics for an inferior ship which they will be offered an upgraded version of in a month or two.
So it is '10ish' now? Brian intoned around 5 minutes. Either way, it's making playings waste their time in game repeating the same quickly dulling and time-grated task to get the kind of 'special anniversary ship' which they had been able to claim with one mission years prior. All the while, branding it as FREE, which it is not, as you have to work for it, and thus earn it. So it leaves a sense of 'Dance, monkeys, dance!' rather than the feeling of 'Thank you for keeping us alive.'
As I mentioned before, they could shoot for a 'best of both worlds' format. Single mission rewarding a basic version, and then let people grind for the high-end super shiny par to the other grinder reward ships. This is both disappointing in the Thank-you 'gift' being locked behind a grind this year, and additionally underwhelming at what seems to be just T5 instead of T5.5 which other similar events gave.
It feels like rather than truly thank players. people are just being coerced to waste time in game to inflate playtime statistics for an inferior ship which they will be offered an upgraded version of in a month or two.
I said 10ish because it's an even number. Some will run it in 5, others will take longer. 10 just sounded good. By your logic, even last years "free" ship wasn't free as you HAD to run a mission to get it. That means you had to work for it. Again, I'm not sitting here advocating for grinding but ultimately in the end this is light compared to other things.
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I find it hilarious that people are complaining about repeating one of 2 minigames 15 times....
Honestly, its not that we would need to do 2 minigames for 15 days. Thats not the main point... it is a departure from the previous Anniversary events that were strctly celabratory events for another year of STO. The issue is taking what was a celebration, and adding an element of Grind to it.
As others have stated, its about the precedent that it sets.
If this were any other event, I'd never had said a word, and would have happily ground out 1000 Qmendations... the ship look sweet.
My issue (and some others who have posted here) is that they are cheapening what the Anniversary event was intended for, and what it was about.
I said 10ish because it's an even number. Some will run it in 5, others will take longer. 10 just sounded good. By your logic, even last years "free" ship wasn't free as you HAD to run a mission to get it. That means you had to work for it. Again, I'm not sitting here advocating for grinding but ultimately in the end this is light compared to other things.
A mission, singular, one. Additionally, it was a new, interesting little FE which was enjoyable. Not the same drell for two weeks, because of cooldowns to time-gate it; even good missions become aggravating when you've played it for the umpteenth time. Artificially delaying a player from obtaining the item is a terrible thing to do when it is supposed to be a celebratory gift. Coupled with the fact that, once again, you can buy the bloody tokens with lobi; it starts to stink of a barely veiled money grab.
'Free' is not such, if you are forced to work for it or can pay money to reduce said amount of work. It's been billed as free, and the 'Yay we've made it another year' reward. We've spent another year grinding, and to get the 'gift'? More grinding. Bloody hell...
I said 10ish because it's an even number. Some will run it in 5, others will take longer. 10 just sounded good. By your logic, even last years "free" ship wasn't free as you HAD to run a mission to get it. That means you had to work for it. Again, I'm not sitting here advocating for grinding but ultimately in the end this is light compared to other things.
Last year was doing a mission and then get a reward for that mission, and the mission was epic.
But now they are forcing us to grind same missions over and over again till we get the ship.
And truly i don't see the point. Why we need to grind 15 days for our "Free" Ship reward?
No one from Cryptic has told us why is so important to run same mission for 15 days.
Do they know something that we don't ? Are they covering up in this way true existence of universe ? Are they in some secret society?
I didn't mind grinding for winter and summer event, hell it was fun for me cause lots of moths are between the dates. But now it is anniversary and they want to punish us why?
Call me stupid but i really don't get it why we need to grind for this ship this year and last year we didn't have to?
No one from Cryptic has told us why is so important to run same mission for 15 days.
They are "more special" than the previous ships.
(And the combination of a free cool, but subpar ship and optional fleetships for 4 fleetmodules did not generate as much revenue as the risian/breen-ships with lobi packs)
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Hate to say it but it's beginning to look like Cryptic/PWE needs some new blood. Obviously, the present crew cannot seem to get themselves out of the grind mentality. Here folks, ignore tradition, do this single mission over and over again cause THAT's all we can think of to earn new stuff.
So it's not your typical anniversary ship? Let's involve an annoying charcter and make em grind the same mission dozens of times to earn it. But, isn't that the SAME AS EVERYTHING THEY DO NOW? True, but what else is there? Duh, I don't know.
Really guys, creativity counts for alot. Try something different. Or at least let tradition count for something.
And another doom post it tends to happen every month or so
Actually, not a doom post. Just a simple fact. Look at every MMO that went heavy on the grinding in the game. Within a few years, they all but died. Grinding is sadly become a way of life in most MMO's, F2P or otherwise. So, there will always be grinding. However, when you take an event that has always been Complete FE and a Ship is Your Reward, and turn that into a grind fest, I think that is just insulting to players. Especially a few weeks after the previous grind fest for yet another ship. And, we will have another when S9 hits, then there will be the Summer Grind, then the next Expansion Grind along with new Reputation grinds, Fleet grinds, and so on and so forth. Where is the new content? I would rather have an engaging storyline that takes place over 5 or 6 episodes, taking 3 to 4 hours to complete and get a ship that way, instead of this repetitive grind. At least there would be something new in the game. 1 FE that IMO should have been part of the S8 release in the first place is not New content. So, you can call it doom and gloom all you want, but Cryptic is killing it's own game.
As far the the C-Store giveaway is concerned, how is giving me 3 ships that I already have purchased "Thanking Me" for playing the game? It seems more like a slap in the face for even buying C-store content in the first place. "Haha, too bad you wasted your hard earned money. If you had only waited, we would have given it to you for free." Sorry, but your logic there does not reason.
Also, the event is now 10 minutes? I thought it was going to be 2-5 minutes? So, it keeps going up. So, instead of an hour each day grinding my way though this event on all of my alts, I now have 2 hours a day to look forward to. Again, you are not helping to make anyone's case in this matter. The reality of the matter is this: The Party Patrol mission normally takes 4 or 5 minutes to gather up the Mini-Q's. HOWEVER, now that you have made this event mandatory for the Qmendations to get the "Free" ships, this event will probably take much longer because it is not a single instance queue or event. There will be other players fighting for the Q's and with X number available, someone is always going to be left waiting for more to appear. So, I am estimating more like a 15 minute event for 1 toon. Now, we are up to 3 hours a day minimum grind time for 15 days to get each of my alts and mains the "Free" Anniversary Event Ships.....Um, how is that Free? How is that Fun? That is work, not play. Again, going back to my OP about people will find other games for fun.
Cryptic........
The Needs Of The Many (Players) Outweigh The Needs Of The Few (Cryptic) Or The One (PWE)
Actually, not a doom post. Just a simple fact. Look at every MMO that went heavy on the grinding in the game. Within a few years, they all but died. Grinding is sadly become a way of life in most MMO's, F2P or otherwise. So, there will always be grinding. However, when you take an event that has always been Complete FE and a Ship is Your Reward, and turn that into a grind fest, I think that is just insulting to players. Especially a few weeks after the previous grind fest for yet another ship. And, we will have another when S9 hits, then there will be the Summer Grind, then the next Expansion Grind along with new Reputation grinds, Fleet grinds, and so on and so forth. Where is the new content? I would rather have an engaging storyline that takes place over 5 or 6 episodes, taking 3 to 4 hours to complete and get a ship that way, instead of this repetitive grind. At least there would be something new in the game. 1 FE that IMO should have been part of the S8 release in the first place is not New content. So, you can call it doom and gloom all you want, but Cryptic is killing it's own game.
As far the the C-Store giveaway is concerned, how is giving me 3 ships that I already have purchased "Thanking Me" for playing the game? It seems more like a slap in the face for even buying C-store content in the first place. "Haha, too bad you wasted your hard earned money. If you had only waited, we would have given it to you for free." Sorry, but your logic there does not reason.
Also, the event is now 10 minutes? I thought it was going to be 2-5 minutes? So, it keeps going up. So, instead of an hour each day grinding my way though this event on all of my alts, I now have 2 hours a day to look forward to. Again, you are not helping to make anyone's case in this matter. The reality of the matter is this: The Party Patrol mission normally takes 4 or 5 minutes to gather up the Mini-Q's. HOWEVER, now that you have made this event mandatory for the Qmendations to get the "Free" ships, this event will probably take much longer because it is not a single instance queue or event. There will be other players fighting for the Q's and with X number available, someone is always going to be left waiting for more to appear. So, I am estimating more like a 15 minute event for 1 toon. Now, we are up to 3 hours a day minimum grind time for 15 days to get each of my alts and mains the "Free" Anniversary Event Ships.....Um, how is that Free? How is that Fun? That is work, not play. Again, going back to my OP about people will find other games for fun.
Cryptic........
The Needs Of The Many (Players) Outweigh The Needs Of The Few (Cryptic) Or The One (PWE)
See my post over 30 minutes ago as to why I said 10ish I'm not trying to make anyone's case for anything. As it clearly in bold, underlined and italic white letters in my signature
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment
I am not making anything or doing anything as I don't have any control over content/decisions made here.
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Then why are you on here making statements and commenting on mine and others post? If you are a Moderator, then Moderate. Moderators are supposedly here to enforce the rules of a forum, not get snarky with the people expressing their concerns or worries over the direction the game is taking or throwing "Look at my Signature Line" into peoples faces. Yes, you are special because you got a special Sig Line.
This could become a great bit of PR for the devs/owners and IP rep..........
Ie
' never be said we don't listen to our players and as such you now have to complete the event once to claim your free ship, you can continue to do the mini games for 25 days if you wish and store those rep points for our next project'
Same chance as winning the lotto me thinks.........
Where ever you go, there you are.......
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I would definitely support a faction-specific account-wide unlock. The grind for 3 characters - kind of boring, but at least less "grindy" than trying to quick level up new toons, etc.
If account-wide is a bad word, as it seems to be, perhaps an alternative to grinding every single character would be the ability to get a sponsorship token for the other toons. Something that works through the reputation system, allowing your main character to do most of the grind, and the sponsorship token represents the amount of dailies needed.
Then every character/captain has to complete the one FE mission that rewards 400 Qmendations, but a sponsorship token equals 600 Qmendations to the receiving character/captain.
I personally don't mind doing FE missions on all characters, but it's been over a year since I've been actually able to PLAY the game due to all of the grinding, with rep projects, fleet projects, be-at-this-level to participate in such-and-such an event, etc. I would really like to go through the storyline and missions, including the FE's, with at least one of my characters.
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Whoa Whoa Whoa. Why is everyone complaining? You're getting free stuff :rolleyes:
I hope that cleared things up.
Oh they do, you can grind on your other characters, too!
After what I seen in summer/winter events, Cryptic turned anniversary mission into another form of grind. I dont care if the reward is a ship that switches boff stations and deflector/dhc, or if it has 9 or 10 consoles - I will not grind for it, and I will cretainly not open lockboxes for lobi to "lessen the grind".
Its not an anniversary event anymore, its another "buy keys" campaign.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
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Alantra & Hawkman,
You really need to stop and think about what people are talking about here. Yes there is valid points in there complaints and some of what you said is true atlantra. But in end it give you no right to reply as you do hawk. People are burned out due to the rep and this endless grind TRIBBLE. Hell even i'm tired of grinding after 3 toons and i have 4 more to go. Just try to think of others before you post please. And Brandon at least consider knocking it back to 10 days just this way people with multiple characters can get the item and not be left out. That is all i ask.
My 2 cents of opinion if it matters anyway.
It is true, that "good" and "bad" are often value judgements. But we can imagine systems like Kantian Ethics or John Rawl's Social Justice Theory that try to create objective characterizations of "ethical" or "just." Using a form of argumentation like this we could interpret whether Cryptic's decisions may conform to or conflict with these seemingly objective categories.
That being said, I am not making that argument today. I vote "I don't like grinds," and doubt I will participate. Those ships are ugly anyway. I do tend to prefer ships that emulate faction designs over those Breen ships and Obelisk ship that just sit in my inventory. But I don't like the idea of a Voth inspired Federation ship, and I worry more about the implication of more Voth inspiration for season 9. I also think there is enough grind in STO, and worry that this decision is an unhealthy direction for the game.
but looking at newest dev blog that isnt going to be the case? ( 9 console slots in screenie )
Went from getting it on my 3 mains and possible alts if the daily wasnt too bad : to probably not bothering at all :P
Or at least make a 50-50.
You unpack the ship, and it is bound to you. Make it available through fleet spire and instead of making us pay let's say 2 modules like the Obelisk for other toons (still 9 console layout), it will cost only one. This should make a fair approach for those who want them on all toons without getting so much bored to hate their playtime for two weeks.
If you hadn't got one it will stay full-priced of course.
Really, I'm currently farming for getting the other two romulan dreadnought (TRIBBLE me who couldn't resist to the Scimitar itself!). By those two weeks, I'll be done and honestly, rocking on them only. The Fed has already a Mobius (which looks identical if not better to these hybrids) and a fleet Avenger to have fun with, Klingon... I don't play it if not for farming purposes
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I'll just quote this one because what I would have written will most likely get me banned.
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You do realize they did the same thing last year giving away free c-store items so your theory on "doing this to calm the masses" doesn't make sense in this scenario. They're doing it because they DO want to thank the players. If they didn't care, they wouldn't do free stuff at all. I will comment on the EP thing after...
This anniversary event was planned MONTHS ago so I doubt it had much to do with Stephen. And no, it's not false advertising as it IS free. You're not having to pay real life money.As for the "it's only 50 lines of code". I didn't know you work for Cryptic/PWE because I'm betting it's a bit more than 50 lines.
And before someone comes along forgetting I've been here for over 4 years and not always the "fanboy" and thinks I'm defending this grind idea, I'm not. I actually hate the grind as much as anyone else to be honest. But really 15 days out of the 28ish it's running and it's a 10ish minute mission? I got better things to complain about than that
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m2 now lookis like i will not even play new fe since i do not plan to grind for 9 consoles ship
Cryptic needs to understand not everyone can grind 15 days in that time frame for the reward. This isnt a christmas event, but an event for ALL the players for playing the game for years.
Ive played since beta, im not asking to be handed the ship. Just add them as rewards to the FE mission like Odd/Amb. Im having shoulder surgery a few days after the event goes live. I wont be able to do 15 days of grinds.
They also need to understand at this point in time most of us have 5-10 alts. Those of us who want to get the ship on multiple characters then have to do sickening amounts of the same mission. People hate it so much lots of us just do winter/summer stuff on 1-2 characters.
I have 10 alts. Thats 10x15 IF i did all my toons IF my shoulder was able. Doing anything 150 times in 15 days sucks and becomes unfun. Im not even keen on doing a FE mission 10 times unless its really good like temporal ambassador.
I want to be able to log on and play how i like, i dont like being told do 15 days of missions for a ship thats to celebrate ME playing the game for 4 years.... I thought cryptic maybe learning grinds arent fun when they made the new dyson rep much more relaxed, now they throw another pointless grind in.
Stuff like the STFs are meant for grinds, as high level repeatable content. Xmas presents, summer evens, ann events are about celebrating players attaching grinds to them is stupid. Not to meantion most people travel during the holidays and cant always log in from their vacation spot. What you want the xmas ship, grind for 25 days straight so you can get it AFTER xmas..... who comes up with this stupid pointless junk?
Want us to do your mini games? fine. Make them fun and interesting, but dont try to bait us into grinding them. Its to noones gain.
Random free stuff from the C-Store is a bit different to past Anniversaries, as that 'gift' could very well end up being nothing at all to people who already own the item offered. I can imagine quite a few people will get nothing what so ever from the initial give-away.
So it is '10ish' now? Brian intoned around 5 minutes. Either way, it's making players waste their time in game repeating the same quickly dulling and time-grated task to get the kind of 'special anniversary ship' which they had been able to claim with one mission years prior. All the while, branding it as FREE, which it is not, as you have to work for it, and thus earn it. So it leaves a sense of 'Dance, monkeys, dance!' rather than the feeling of 'Thank you for keeping us alive.'
As I mentioned before, they could shoot for a 'best of both worlds' format. Single mission rewarding a basic version, and then let people grind for the high-end super shiny par to the other grinder reward ships. This is both disappointing in the Thank-you 'gift' being locked behind a grind this year, and additionally underwhelming at what seems to be just T5 instead of T5.5 which other similar events gave.
It feels like rather than truly thank players. people are just being coerced to waste time in game to inflate playtime statistics for an inferior ship which they will be offered an upgraded version of in a month or two.
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Honestly, its not that we would need to do 2 minigames for 15 days. Thats not the main point... it is a departure from the previous Anniversary events that were strctly celabratory events for another year of STO. The issue is taking what was a celebration, and adding an element of Grind to it.
As others have stated, its about the precedent that it sets.
If this were any other event, I'd never had said a word, and would have happily ground out 1000 Qmendations... the ship look sweet.
My issue (and some others who have posted here) is that they are cheapening what the Anniversary event was intended for, and what it was about.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
A mission, singular, one. Additionally, it was a new, interesting little FE which was enjoyable. Not the same drell for two weeks, because of cooldowns to time-gate it; even good missions become aggravating when you've played it for the umpteenth time. Artificially delaying a player from obtaining the item is a terrible thing to do when it is supposed to be a celebratory gift. Coupled with the fact that, once again, you can buy the bloody tokens with lobi; it starts to stink of a barely veiled money grab.
'Free' is not such, if you are forced to work for it or can pay money to reduce said amount of work. It's been billed as free, and the 'Yay we've made it another year' reward. We've spent another year grinding, and to get the 'gift'? More grinding. Bloody hell...
Last year was doing a mission and then get a reward for that mission, and the mission was epic.
But now they are forcing us to grind same missions over and over again till we get the ship.
And truly i don't see the point. Why we need to grind 15 days for our "Free" Ship reward?
No one from Cryptic has told us why is so important to run same mission for 15 days.
Do they know something that we don't ? Are they covering up in this way true existence of universe ? Are they in some secret society?
I didn't mind grinding for winter and summer event, hell it was fun for me cause lots of moths are between the dates. But now it is anniversary and they want to punish us why?
Call me stupid but i really don't get it why we need to grind for this ship this year and last year we didn't have to?
They are "more special" than the previous ships.
(And the combination of a free cool, but subpar ship and optional fleetships for 4 fleetmodules did not generate as much revenue as the risian/breen-ships with lobi packs)
So it's not your typical anniversary ship? Let's involve an annoying charcter and make em grind the same mission dozens of times to earn it. But, isn't that the SAME AS EVERYTHING THEY DO NOW? True, but what else is there? Duh, I don't know.
Really guys, creativity counts for alot. Try something different. Or at least let tradition count for something.
Actually, not a doom post. Just a simple fact. Look at every MMO that went heavy on the grinding in the game. Within a few years, they all but died. Grinding is sadly become a way of life in most MMO's, F2P or otherwise. So, there will always be grinding. However, when you take an event that has always been Complete FE and a Ship is Your Reward, and turn that into a grind fest, I think that is just insulting to players. Especially a few weeks after the previous grind fest for yet another ship. And, we will have another when S9 hits, then there will be the Summer Grind, then the next Expansion Grind along with new Reputation grinds, Fleet grinds, and so on and so forth. Where is the new content? I would rather have an engaging storyline that takes place over 5 or 6 episodes, taking 3 to 4 hours to complete and get a ship that way, instead of this repetitive grind. At least there would be something new in the game. 1 FE that IMO should have been part of the S8 release in the first place is not New content. So, you can call it doom and gloom all you want, but Cryptic is killing it's own game.
As far the the C-Store giveaway is concerned, how is giving me 3 ships that I already have purchased "Thanking Me" for playing the game? It seems more like a slap in the face for even buying C-store content in the first place. "Haha, too bad you wasted your hard earned money. If you had only waited, we would have given it to you for free." Sorry, but your logic there does not reason.
Also, the event is now 10 minutes? I thought it was going to be 2-5 minutes? So, it keeps going up. So, instead of an hour each day grinding my way though this event on all of my alts, I now have 2 hours a day to look forward to. Again, you are not helping to make anyone's case in this matter. The reality of the matter is this: The Party Patrol mission normally takes 4 or 5 minutes to gather up the Mini-Q's. HOWEVER, now that you have made this event mandatory for the Qmendations to get the "Free" ships, this event will probably take much longer because it is not a single instance queue or event. There will be other players fighting for the Q's and with X number available, someone is always going to be left waiting for more to appear. So, I am estimating more like a 15 minute event for 1 toon. Now, we are up to 3 hours a day minimum grind time for 15 days to get each of my alts and mains the "Free" Anniversary Event Ships.....Um, how is that Free? How is that Fun? That is work, not play. Again, going back to my OP about people will find other games for fun.
Cryptic........
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' never be said we don't listen to our players and as such you now have to complete the event once to claim your free ship, you can continue to do the mini games for 25 days if you wish and store those rep points for our next project'
Same chance as winning the lotto me thinks.........
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.