funny, I think that if I had ever called an admiral a captain on the bridge while I was in the navy, I might have payed for it.. one thing was certain in my time there, rank was everything, and the respect that came with it was put above all else.. (at least from what I saw from the sonar room)..
From my understanding of Naval protocol, when an Admiral is aboard ship they rarely become that vessels direct commanding officer, that duty usually remains with the ships' assigned Captain. Instead, the Admiral 'Commands the Captain' so to speak.
From my understanding of Naval protocol, when an Admiral is aboard ship they rarely become that vessels direct commanding officer, that duty usually remains with the ships' assigned Captain. Instead, the Admiral 'Commands the Captain' so to speak.
yes, normally they are in command of a mission or what not, but rarely took command of the ship itself.. however, I have seen some carriers have admirals as a commanding officer.. I have only ever ( on the Anzio) seen an admiral on a few times for inspection and what not.. they usually prefer the carriers.. (better food, and a much nicer ride lol)..
but there in lies a problem, we are all captains in command of vessels, and by god, I have never seen so many admirals beaming down into the thick of anything lol...
why do people continually take a few sentences from my wall of text, and make it look like I said something I didn't.. /facepalm lol...
look back at all my posts, I have been leading the charge against cryptic in here.. jeese.. what I was saying was that from their point of view it might look like damned if you do damned if you don't, but they have to start giving back... that was the point of that, if you read my whole post..
Well in my defense I'm not with those people. I mini-quote all on my own. :P
Secondly, well yah I see your full point now. Sorry about that. I guess I was a bit too eager to expand on a point I wasn't able quite to get to in my original suggestion. Offending post in question has been edited down.
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It's also worth considering is that compared to the winter/summer ships, there are three vessels to work for here, if you want one of each faction. Now, the ships might be identical in stats, but there's still a visual difference, and catching 'em all effectively multiplies the grind by 3... just something to think about.
It's also worth considering is that compared to the winter/summer ships, there are three vessels to work for here, if you want one of each faction. Now, the ships might be identical in stats, but there's still a visual difference, and catching 'em all effectively multiplies the grind by 3... just something to think about.
Probably not... my guess is you can earn only 1... the skin is based on your toon's faction.
Edit: I may have read you wrong... if you're talking about trying to get all three variants on 1 toon, yeah I don't think so... if you are talking about earning 1 on an alt of each faction, I follow
Well in my defense I'm not with those people. I mini-quote all on my own.
Secondly, well yah I see that now. Sorry about that. I guess I was a bit too eager to expand on a point I wasn't able quite to get to in my original suggestion.
ll no prob.. its just like the 4th time its happened in this thread lol.. I was like.. stop changing my points lol....
its all good, and your point is well taken.. I agree with you whole heartedly..
No one is forced to get this ship and 5 minutes a day doesn't take too long so I don't consider it a grind... Don't go for it with all your alts as it will be grind. Don't force yourself to grind, save that for season 9 Hope everyone will have fun flying it and enjoy the new features.
well I'm sorry but I for one am gonna enjoy this event and I am sure I am not alone and if they do a different one every month I will enjoy them all, regardless of what you need to do to get an item or ship the more new things they keep coming up with throughout the year the better, I think its awesome. grind grind grind I love it.
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and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
As I mentioned, it wasn't meant to been seen yet, as in, it shouldn't have been on the public test server
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So you're saying that the wonderful Cryptic QA struck again?:cool:
having done no grinding for ships, ever, I'm probably not, going to get it, the Ambassador, was ok, and was about my limit. I'm not going to grind for this one unless it has some seriously interesting stuff.
3 bucks says that it gets a "bug fix" within 30 days.
well I'm sorry but I for one am gonna enjoy this event and I am sure I am not alone and if they do a different one every month I will enjoy them all, regardless of what you need to do to get an item or ship the more new things they keep coming up with throughout the year the better, I think its awesome. grind grind grind I love it.
You are not alone, those that complain are always the loudest We didn't get free c-store items last anniversary so this is even better event. Have fun everyone!
You are not alone, those that complain are always the loudest We didn't get free c-store items last anniversary so this is even better event. Have fun everyone!
the free cstore items is just a ninja bribe to accept this grinding. playing a game like a job.
well I'm sorry but I for one am gonna enjoy this event and I am sure I am not alone and if they do a different one every month I will enjoy them all, regardless of what you need to do to get an item or ship the more new things they keep coming up with throughout the year the better, I think its awesome. grind grind grind I love it.
I love when people come in, read one or two of the posts in the thread, and make an uniformed post on what they think is being talked about in the thread..
painstakingly I have read every post in here, this is more than just about getting something for free, and if you had read anything you would have seen that..
the free cstore items is just a ninja bribe to accept this grinding. playing a game like a job.
yeah it is lol.. look at when it hit.. so much later than they usually post things.. it was odd when I logged in and saw it posted so late.. like I said, it was a good gesture, but it doesn't change the fact that something is wrong..
We didn't get free c-store items last anniversary so this is even better event. Have fun everyone!
Seeing I have pretty much every C-store ship I want, how good this is greatly depends on who the player is and what is actually offered.
But it still doesn't really change the fact that the mechanic around getting this new ship is rather stupid. Grinds are okay, limited time grinds are annoying. And how easy or fun the repeatable portion is doesn't really change that.
Is there going to be a minimum level to take part? I only have one character that the ships might be appropriate for, and he's only level 2 because I haven't touched him since I unlocked the Remen species and created the character.
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This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
Seeing I have pretty much every C-store ship I want, how good this is greatly depends on who the player is and what is actually offered.
Could you fix that quote? Check the link (red button next to my name in your post.) You've got a crossed wire somewhere.
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I wanted to stop by and let you know we've been reading (and will continue to) this thread since it's inception and are considering your feedback -- it's not being fallen deaf ears and we appreciate the passion everyone has around the event and the new ships. Please just remember to keep your feedback constructive, as nonconstructive feedback is harder to consider.
I may have some additional information than this, but here is some more information about the event that I can share now:
As mentioned, you'll get 400 Qmendations on your first play through of the new FE.
The "daily" to get 40 more has taken 2-5 minutes on average during testing, and you either complete one mini-game or another for the daily.
The event runs for 28 days (we say 25+ as we also have maintenances, etc.)
With only 600 more Qmendations needed, you'll need to complete 15 dailies in those 28 days (around once every other day, or so).
We've got this information and much more planned in upcoming Dev Blogs, so stay tuned and thanks again for your passion and feedback.
Cheers,
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Holy TRIBBLE! So soon after the WW autograph grind you make another one?!? How about knocking the grind part down to 7 days? (Or 7 for us LTS at least? )
Come on! My PTSD from the WW race isn't even cured yet! I still overcorrect to counter the slide when running, so I end up turning and running into walls! :P
Kinda like giving me a free $20 if you can kick me in the groin. Sure, it's a 'free' $20 but geez. You guys need to think of a new mechanic other than "give me 1000 things I made up just so you can give me 1000 of them" schemes.
Can I just use Q-autographs as filler? I have an extra 1000 of those in the bank.
6 toons * 15 days * 2-5 minutes = 3 - 7.5 hrs of extra grinding on top of the grinding I already do. yay.
well I'm sorry but I for one am gonna enjoy this event and I am sure I am not alone and if they do a different one every month I will enjoy them all, regardless of what you need to do to get an item or ship the more new things they keep coming up with throughout the year the better, I think its awesome. grind grind grind I love it.
A) If you had a job then your perspective on this would be different.
The major problem with this is that Cryptic believes that these grinds are content. These grinds are not content. Apparently Cryptic has decided that this game does not need content.
the free cstore items is just a ninja bribe to accept this grinding. playing a game like a job.
But they said it will take 5 minutes a day. I guess I am lucky that I didn't go for winter event ship this year so I have enough energy for this one Hope I will be ready for season 9.
I see free c-store items as nice gesture, there are more players that don't have everything from c-store.
Did someone mentioned earlier they could ad this qmendation points to dyson sphere missions? I think I saw it somewhere..that would be good idea as I won't need to do same thing every day. I could do some dyson run and get the qmendation point with other drops. Or they could ad option that voth ships when destoroyed, drop this qmedation mark for the new ship. Maybe diversity of ways to earn it will be better for everyone as part of it is players usual play.
For those that have more alts that will go for this ship, they should consider which alt is really going to use it, just to avoid "job" part of the game.
I see free c-store items as nice gesture, there are more players that don't have everything from c-store.
Ehhh... sadly it's niceness is inversely proportional to the monetary support you've given to STO. I've bought alot of the stuff with Zen. Last time they did this I got 1 thing for free, while all the free players that didn't spend a penny got 5 things. Just seems like they are 'thanking' the wrong group the most. Really should be an alternate prize (like lobi) for those that already bought the freebie.
I'm firmly on the side of being against grinding. If you make the items the thing to covet and the grind is the method by which the items are procured, then requiring the player to repeat the respective missions ad nauseum is the complete opposite of fun. It all seems as though the grind is put there to irritate the players into just relenting and buying some zen to get the items. That being the case, then the more PWE wants us to buy stuff, the more grind they're going to add, to the point that people stop caring about the items and start to see their entire game was about being a Ferengi rather than a Star Fleet captain.
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This image was taken from Tribble, but I wanted to provide a few important notes about this. The free ships this year are not your average Anniversary ship; they've got some extremely amazing bells and whistles, and even 2 new mechanics being introduced for the first time (more info soon). Because of this, you'll need to work a tad bit harder for a free ship over just running an episode one time. However! You will receive a package of 400 Qmendations as a one-time reward the first time you complete the Featured Episode, "A Step Between Stars." That means you only need to collect 600 more, which at 40 a day from completing a short daily, will take 15 days out of the 25+ days the event runs. There should also be a Lobi option for additional/ substitute Qmendations.
All of this info and much more will be coming up in our Dev Blogs next week, and I think once you see the ships, you'll see why a little extra effort for the ships will be more than worth it.
Cheers,
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Here's a poll question - at what point did Cryptic forget that much of its intended audience, and player base, is localized to regions where paid professions that involve grinding don't generally make use of keyboards (unless you're into that sort of thing)?
And it's a serious poll question given the circumstance of these "Free ships" which, like everything else in the game, are not free (at all).
At best, these ships are "reward" obtained for the "job" of testing Cryptic's product; at worse, these ships are, "payment" for the "job" of testing Cryptic's product. And in neither case is "satisfaction" provided to the "employee" (a.k.a. "player"/"slave-laborer"/"unpaid-tester") as that would entail respecting said subject instead of engaging in the policy of regular corn-holing without even considering, let alone providing, a reach around.
Here's another poll question - how many compulsive spenders have to go bankrupt before Star Trek Online is classified as "unprofitable" again and PWE sells the asset back to Atari?
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STO, you cannot be realistic in expecting folks to go from one grind event to another. The old anniversary method was fine for getting the anniversary ship. If it isn't broke then don't fix it with something STUPID like a grindfest. Use your brains and not greed for getting folks to spend money on lobi (via lockbox keys)... don't ruin the anniversary event.
yes, normally they are in command of a mission or what not, but rarely took command of the ship itself.. however, I have seen some carriers have admirals as a commanding officer.. I have only ever ( on the Anzio) seen an admiral on a few times for inspection and what not.. they usually prefer the carriers.. (better food, and a much nicer ride lol)..
On the carriers were the admiral was direct commanding officer, did the same admiral also have command of the CBG/CSG? Or was the carrier group deemed important enough to warrant multiple admirals? Also did those carriers have a higher ranked XO and senior officers than normal?
Yes, an admiral aboard anything other than a carrier is usually just visiting. I think given the choice most would prefer to be aboard a carrier, better food, better accommodation, bigger office.
but there in lies a problem, we are all captains in command of vessels, and by god, I have never seen so many admirals beaming down into the thick of anything lol...
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
STO does throw some naval convention to the wind, but it is a game after all, and like the TV show, probably doesn't want to get caught up in the minutia.
Though there is precedent for admirals taking direct command of key ships, and in times of war or extraordinary circumstances commands have been assigned to lower ranking officers than would normally happen in peacetime.
Hopefully, one day we may see these little niggles addressed when Cryptic finally releases the much talked about;
First Officer system, which would hopefully allow us to promote one of our Bridge Officers to Captain.
Increases the level cap and gives us 'Task Group' play, where we command our non active ships in space akin to BOffs on the ground.
Yes, the amount of flag officers beaming down into combat is funny, I'm guessing by 2409 they need every able body, or they just got tired of the paperwork. :P
Kinda contradicts the line from HMS Pinafore "Stick close to your desks, and never go to sea, and you all may be rulers of the queens navy!"
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read back a few pages, it is a nice gesture, but the underlying problem still remains..
From my understanding of Naval protocol, when an Admiral is aboard ship they rarely become that vessels direct commanding officer, that duty usually remains with the ships' assigned Captain. Instead, the Admiral 'Commands the Captain' so to speak.
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yes, normally they are in command of a mission or what not, but rarely took command of the ship itself.. however, I have seen some carriers have admirals as a commanding officer.. I have only ever ( on the Anzio) seen an admiral on a few times for inspection and what not.. they usually prefer the carriers.. (better food, and a much nicer ride lol)..
but there in lies a problem, we are all captains in command of vessels, and by god, I have never seen so many admirals beaming down into the thick of anything lol...
Well in my defense I'm not with those people. I mini-quote all on my own. :P
Secondly, well yah I see your full point now. Sorry about that. I guess I was a bit too eager to expand on a point I wasn't able quite to get to in my original suggestion. Offending post in question has been edited down.
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Probably not... my guess is you can earn only 1... the skin is based on your toon's faction.
Edit: I may have read you wrong... if you're talking about trying to get all three variants on 1 toon, yeah I don't think so... if you are talking about earning 1 on an alt of each faction, I follow
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ll no prob.. its just like the 4th time its happened in this thread lol.. I was like.. stop changing my points lol....
its all good, and your point is well taken.. I agree with you whole heartedly..
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
So you're saying that the wonderful Cryptic QA struck again?:cool:
having done no grinding for ships, ever, I'm probably not, going to get it, the Ambassador, was ok, and was about my limit. I'm not going to grind for this one unless it has some seriously interesting stuff.
3 bucks says that it gets a "bug fix" within 30 days.
the free cstore items is just a ninja bribe to accept this grinding. playing a game like a job.
I love when people come in, read one or two of the posts in the thread, and make an uniformed post on what they think is being talked about in the thread..
painstakingly I have read every post in here, this is more than just about getting something for free, and if you had read anything you would have seen that..
yeah it is lol.. look at when it hit.. so much later than they usually post things.. it was odd when I logged in and saw it posted so late.. like I said, it was a good gesture, but it doesn't change the fact that something is wrong..
Seeing I have pretty much every C-store ship I want, how good this is greatly depends on who the player is and what is actually offered.
But it still doesn't really change the fact that the mechanic around getting this new ship is rather stupid. Grinds are okay, limited time grinds are annoying. And how easy or fun the repeatable portion is doesn't really change that.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
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Holy TRIBBLE! So soon after the WW autograph grind you make another one?!? How about knocking the grind part down to 7 days? (Or 7 for us LTS at least?
Come on! My PTSD from the WW race isn't even cured yet! I still overcorrect to counter the slide when running, so I end up turning and running into walls! :P
Kinda like giving me a free $20 if you can kick me in the groin. Sure, it's a 'free' $20 but geez. You guys need to think of a new mechanic other than "give me 1000 things I made up just so you can give me 1000 of them" schemes.
Can I just use Q-autographs as filler? I have an extra 1000 of those in the bank.
6 toons * 15 days * 2-5 minutes = 3 - 7.5 hrs of extra grinding on top of the grinding I already do. yay.
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I see free c-store items as nice gesture, there are more players that don't have everything from c-store.
Did someone mentioned earlier they could ad this qmendation points to dyson sphere missions? I think I saw it somewhere..that would be good idea as I won't need to do same thing every day. I could do some dyson run and get the qmendation point with other drops. Or they could ad option that voth ships when destoroyed, drop this qmedation mark for the new ship. Maybe diversity of ways to earn it will be better for everyone as part of it is players usual play.
For those that have more alts that will go for this ship, they should consider which alt is really going to use it, just to avoid "job" part of the game.
Ehhh... sadly it's niceness is inversely proportional to the monetary support you've given to STO. I've bought alot of the stuff with Zen. Last time they did this I got 1 thing for free, while all the free players that didn't spend a penny got 5 things. Just seems like they are 'thanking' the wrong group the most. Really should be an alternate prize (like lobi) for those that already bought the freebie.
For the love of Q, the appeal of Star Trek is discovery, mystery, danger, and existentialism.
Here's a poll question - at what point did Cryptic forget that much of its intended audience, and player base, is localized to regions where paid professions that involve grinding don't generally make use of keyboards (unless you're into that sort of thing)?
And it's a serious poll question given the circumstance of these "Free ships" which, like everything else in the game, are not free (at all).
At best, these ships are "reward" obtained for the "job" of testing Cryptic's product; at worse, these ships are, "payment" for the "job" of testing Cryptic's product. And in neither case is "satisfaction" provided to the "employee" (a.k.a. "player"/"slave-laborer"/"unpaid-tester") as that would entail respecting said subject instead of engaging in the policy of regular corn-holing without even considering, let alone providing, a reach around.
Here's another poll question - how many compulsive spenders have to go bankrupt before Star Trek Online is classified as "unprofitable" again and PWE sells the asset back to Atari?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
STO, you cannot be realistic in expecting folks to go from one grind event to another. The old anniversary method was fine for getting the anniversary ship. If it isn't broke then don't fix it with something STUPID like a grindfest. Use your brains and not greed for getting folks to spend money on lobi (via lockbox keys)... don't ruin the anniversary event.
On the carriers were the admiral was direct commanding officer, did the same admiral also have command of the CBG/CSG? Or was the carrier group deemed important enough to warrant multiple admirals? Also did those carriers have a higher ranked XO and senior officers than normal?
Yes, an admiral aboard anything other than a carrier is usually just visiting. I think given the choice most would prefer to be aboard a carrier, better food, better accommodation, bigger office.
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
STO does throw some naval convention to the wind, but it is a game after all, and like the TV show, probably doesn't want to get caught up in the minutia.
Though there is precedent for admirals taking direct command of key ships, and in times of war or extraordinary circumstances commands have been assigned to lower ranking officers than would normally happen in peacetime.
Hopefully, one day we may see these little niggles addressed when Cryptic finally releases the much talked about;
Yes, the amount of flag officers beaming down into combat is funny, I'm guessing by 2409 they need every able body, or they just got tired of the paperwork. :P
Kinda contradicts the line from HMS Pinafore "Stick close to your desks, and never go to sea, and you all may be rulers of the queens navy!"
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