Sorry I should have been more clear, its like the Vesta in that it has a lot of gadgets and being that most of those are built in and not consoles there is no need for an extra console slot to house them.
I guess that would imply that transformation is innate, in which case the DSDs really do surpass the Veteran ships. That said, I find it hard to believe that they don't plan to eventually Fleet up a ship with 9 native consoles, especially one as exciting as this. Or they could go the Obelisk route and stick a 10-native "Advanced" version in the lobi store for everyone to get even more annoyed about :P
Well, I REALLY hope that this secondary deflector business does appear on general sci ships. Doesn't matter how wonderful these ships are - I always wind up back in my Fleet Nova, and it would likely benefit from all this.
It will, that much was already said, though the real question is when the changes will get cascaded down to the rest of the ships, and to which ships.
This "secondary xyz slot" opens some possibilities I've been wanting for awhile.
For example, a secondary shield slot (not the Scimitar console ability), on some behemouth of a heavy battleship/dreadnaught. Make it a fraction, say no more than 50%, of the capacity of the main shields (as a baseline comparison between the same items; obviously gonna be different if it's not the same shield).
If it's to be built in a tradeoff arrangment like these new hybrid destroyers, let the cannons be integrated heavy broadside cannons, which are only active when you switch off your secondary shields. Give them a 90 degree arc to port and starboard.
I'd envision this a Tac-heavy battleship with regard to console slots and bridge officers. A 4/4 weapon layout with the broadsides being the +1. Maybe a hangar that is only active in "tank" mode (maybe with a threat generation bonus?) with the secondary shields on. If you incorporate the BO swap, make it an Tac/Eng Cmdr.
Just listened to the Priority One podcast with Al Rivera. The secondary deflector is different than a primary one so no having say a MACO and Borg deflector. The ships come with a special secondary deflector that's part of a set along with a warpcore/singularity you get from the new FE and 2 other pieces he didn't talk about. The Proton DHC that's on the ships cannot be removed. He also said even though the ships are called science destroyers they are classed as multi role science much like the Vesta. And lastly he strongly hinted that since, like the Vesta, it has lots of gadgets it wont have a 10 console version.
Thank you for confirming that.
The wording makes me drool at the possibility of an already mighty Vesta with a secondary deflector. I don't even care what it does, I just like the idea of extra goodies on that great ship!
Six weapon slots and a seventh dual cannon. Ask a Borg cube what they think about that. No wonder the Borg conquered half the universe. They probably had STO designers fighting them. I and other level 50 elite players see a bright side to STO s latest disappointment....destroyers..... against a foe that the VOTH are fleeing from. STOP THE IDIOCY OF BUNDLING USELESS SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING VESSELS and bundle 3 playable faction ship variants like the 3 facton variants of the hybrid voth federation destroyer. I suggest a BORG CUBE level heavy cruiser with 10 weapon slots and 12 consoles for sale at 10000 yen for a bundle that contains the 3 playable factions variants. Since the Borg are returning in season 9......Give us an equivalent ship.
If i was not at work i would challenge u to pvp i would shut ur ship ship down n let my GW 3 rip u apart n my aux cannons riped though ur paper thin shield while my shields laugh at . Wot A pug/nOOb/troll post
Worst case scenario, we'll get a 9 console version of the ship after grinding, and have to do a Lobi upgrade for the 10 console version. That would be horrible. I wouldn't mind a Fleet version being available, since my fleet is 9 days away from completing the spire, but that's still not ideal.
My bet is on this, they did it with the Obelisk. The free version is the dangling carrot to buy the lobi version. The lobi version would then probably have the missing console piece(s) like with the Obelisk. You need lockbox keys to get lobi so more zen sold for keys. It's just business.
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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Science ship taking 1st Place in CEE over a squad of Escorts.
Again.
And I can't hear you over the combined victory marches of my Wells, Fleet Nebula, and D'Kyr.
I have toons flying all three of the above. One science, one engineer and one tactical.
All classes can get a lot out of science ships, if they don't try to treat them as escorts.
My Vulcan tac in a D'Kyr is especially fun. Once I've softened them up with my science wizardry, I get to put together a not trivial alpha style strike with my tac career skills.
If you think science ships are weak i'm sorry....and I rarely say this out of respect.....but you're flying them wrong.
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In the current state of the game, making a Cruiser on par with a Borg Cube would be a serious nerf to cruisers. There isn't a T4 or above cruiser that can't make a Borg Cube its byotch today.
Saw some examples of what they are going to look like. Aside from the skin I really don't see any real performance upgrade. Not sure if they're worth grinding for unless you just reached Level 50 and wanted a decent T5 ship anyway.
Borg are returning? Could you please point me to this info?
This is just a speculation. Don't want to spoil it for you in case you didn't reach that cutscene in dyson reputation, but it is related to green beam array that destroyed a voth ship. But no one saw any borg there. Although that green beam array could be of borg origin.
The devs are always looking to balance things out (except for the JHAS of course, which is their moneymaker) so don't expect these new ships to be overpowered compared to existing ships.
Tyr shall give me strength! For the glory of Tempus! I am the hands of Shar! Flames of Kossuth, protect me! Oghma, grant me knowledge! Lolth commands, and I obey!
Science ship useless? Say that to the Vesta with a crowd control drain. You won't move again unless you can buff up your engines to get your ship away.
They are their own style of thing, and once you get the hang of it, they're one of the most enjoyable sorts of ships to fly. ... Because, in the right hands, they'll take out anything else in the game.
I guess you need to be properly specced in sci skills like flow c, graviton and particle generators and the like. Otherwise it's a big nono I think. If that's not the case, then enlighten me.
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To get a science ship running around all properly yes, you will probably want to invest in those science skills that boost science boff abilities like Flow Capacitors, Graviton Generators and Particle Generators. Also it might be worth mention that they also tend to do better with higher Auxillary power. Nothing more enjoyable than dropping a Gravity Well 3, with maxxed out graviton and particle generator skill, extra points from items, and then sitting at a 135 auxillary. Combined I was seeing well over 3k kinetic damage a second to all ships stuck in the Gravity Well.
That being said, I can only imagine the fun I am gonna have flying around in these new dyson ships.
This is just a speculation. Don't want to spoil it for you in case you didn't reach that cutscene in dyson reputation, but it is related to green beam array that destroyed a voth ship. But no one saw any borg there. Although that green beam array could be of borg origin.
Recent communiques from the Voth military have mentioned a Voth-Tholian Alliance, as well as having an interest in a planet that's occupied by the Borg.
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I guess that would imply that transformation is innate, in which case the DSDs really do surpass the Veteran ships. That said, I find it hard to believe that they don't plan to eventually Fleet up a ship with 9 native consoles, especially one as exciting as this. Or they could go the Obelisk route and stick a 10-native "Advanced" version in the lobi store for everyone to get even more annoyed about :P
It will, that much was already said, though the real question is when the changes will get cascaded down to the rest of the ships, and to which ships.
For example, a secondary shield slot (not the Scimitar console ability), on some behemouth of a heavy battleship/dreadnaught. Make it a fraction, say no more than 50%, of the capacity of the main shields (as a baseline comparison between the same items; obviously gonna be different if it's not the same shield).
If it's to be built in a tradeoff arrangment like these new hybrid destroyers, let the cannons be integrated heavy broadside cannons, which are only active when you switch off your secondary shields. Give them a 90 degree arc to port and starboard.
I'd envision this a Tac-heavy battleship with regard to console slots and bridge officers. A 4/4 weapon layout with the broadsides being the +1. Maybe a hangar that is only active in "tank" mode (maybe with a threat generation bonus?) with the secondary shields on. If you incorporate the BO swap, make it an Tac/Eng Cmdr.
Thank you for confirming that.
The wording makes me drool at the possibility of an already mighty Vesta with a secondary deflector. I don't even care what it does, I just like the idea of extra goodies on that great ship!
Man, take a break, it's just a game.
Again.
And the Borg think quite a lot about my Vesta as it's dismantling them.
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
And I can't hear you over the combined victory marches of my Wells, Fleet Nebula, and D'Kyr.
I have toons flying all three of the above. One science, one engineer and one tactical.
All classes can get a lot out of science ships, if they don't try to treat them as escorts.
My Vulcan tac in a D'Kyr is especially fun. Once I've softened them up with my science wizardry, I get to put together a not trivial alpha style strike with my tac career skills.
If you think science ships are weak i'm sorry....and I rarely say this out of respect.....but you're flying them wrong.
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And yet my GW III from my Wells Sci ship makes all the Borg Spheres do the Klick-Klack Dance while i dump loads of other AOE all over them.
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So... you want to nerf Cruisers?
In the current state of the game, making a Cruiser on par with a Borg Cube would be a serious nerf to cruisers. There isn't a T4 or above cruiser that can't make a Borg Cube its byotch today.
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Still going to stay with my Wells ship.
Oh, burn.
But sadly probably true.
OP, science ships are not tanks like cruisers, or things of ravening destruction like escorts.
They are their own style of thing, and once you get the hang of it, they're one of the most enjoyable sorts of ships to fly.
Why do you think there are so many people wanting a truly decent Romulan or Klingon science ship?
Because, in the right hands, they'll take out anything else in the game.
Any. Thing.
This is just a speculation. Don't want to spoil it for you in case you didn't reach that cutscene in dyson reputation, but it is related to green beam array that destroyed a voth ship. But no one saw any borg there. Although that green beam array could be of borg origin.
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
There has been some tidbits leaked already.
sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1085061 shows the general visuals for the ships.
Plus talk about a DHC that cannot be removed. Plus that the only real candy to the ships is an extra slot for a deflector.
CEE counts healing, hardly ever a tac gets first (I did, but it was epicly hard to beat those engies)
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
That being said, I can only imagine the fun I am gonna have flying around in these new dyson ships.
Recent communiques from the Voth military have mentioned a Voth-Tholian Alliance, as well as having an interest in a planet that's occupied by the Borg.