I seriously considered buying the new ships ... and I have bought a decent amount from KDF including 2 fleet ships over the last 1+ years. The design though is hideous. I hated the Avenger design and I am not crazy about this one either. Since I spent something like $35 recently on KDF (last 2 months) I am not exactly feeling any guilt here.
Besides, Cryptic shouldn't need to be bribed into making more KDF ships. KDF players buy more than enough ... maybe not buku bucks but a decent amount. Even if KDF is a loss leader it still makes sense to invest modestly (1 every 2-3 years is very modest) to keep the only other faction alive.
Btw, ships are a veritable gold mine for Cryptic. Consider that this game may have something like 150 - 200K players. If only 1% of those players buy the latest and greatest ship that is 1.5 to 2K sales. So $15,000 to $20,000 @ $25 for C-store. That is about 3-4 man months in revenue assuming an average salary of 5-7K. I doubt it takes 3-4 man months to construct the artwork and write the code. But even if it does, it is not a very high threshold. Even with overhead from sales, management and other TRIBBLE it is still not that hard for them to profit and profit big.
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... Why? Whats so special about it (BESIDES being a KDF release which I admit is in itself pretty special)?
The Avenger was special to the federation because from its stats its a KDF like battlecruiser. Copy/Pasting that to KDF is strange.
How about a KDF (Klingon design) cruiser or battlecruiser..ish ship with 3 or 4 sci-consoles?
I'd rather spend money on a pair of boots without spikes & a duras sisters dress.
It's a pretty safe bet that the future of any more kdf ships/costumes/content is probably riding on the success of this ship - so I would say that for kdf players - that makes it pretty special. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is. If this ship does not sell well then spending another dime on the kdf is going to be hard to justify and will also be used to say - hey we gave you a brand new c-store ship but there was no market so why should we doing anything more for the kdf?? You know it's true.
I have to say, between the Raider tweaks and the Mogh, my plans for my KDF toons have been completely turned around (with associated spending accordingly).
Now I have to get a Fleet Mogh (3000Z) for my Lvl 50 KDF Engineer, and I'm still planning to get a Raider for a new KDF Tactical toon I'm going to start JUST to be a Raider captain (0Z since I'll use my Vice Admiral token to pick up a B'rel Retrofit).
And of course, to make the Raider as good as it can be (and to take advantage of flanking) I'll want to buy a Ki'Tang for Subspace Jump (1500z).
Now it looks like my least-played faction may become my most-played for the next couple of months...
Why does that look like a cross between the vet destroyer and a raptor?
Regardless, if they get it out before Christmas I will buy one if for no other reason than to support the KDF getting stuff.
Looks more like a cross between the Bortasque and the vet destroyer to me, which makes sense since those two ships (and the Ho'sus) represent the most recent developments in KDF shipbuilding...before the mogh.
Wow another battlecruiser. Only this time its a cut and paste from fed one I bought a month ago. Sorry, I understand wanting to support KDF but I won't buy the same thing twice. If I want to play with this ship I'll pull out the Avenger. Atleast when I bought it the first time, it provided a unique playstyle to the federation faction. KDF do not need another BC, Cryptic could have given KDF a science ship or an escort that can keep up with federation ones. Even a cruiser would have been a nice change. But seriously, another flippin battlecruiser?! No wonder Cryptic can't make any money on the KDF, they put zero thought into what they provide to that side.
I probably won't end up using this ship much since I love the look of the canon designs so much, but I will be buying this on the sheer principle of the matter!
Twice now Ive seen mention of its special console. Does anyone know what that console is yet?
Considering how many people are likening it to the multi-mode Vet ship and that the Avenger's console is a multi-modal Torpedo, I would expect something based along those lines. I'm hoping that it's part of the ship and does some sort of animation for changing modes. If this is the same ship that was delayed, as it looks like a Negh'var in views other than the official and most of the leaked pics, IMO, I could see some sort animation hang-up having been the trouble that delayed it.
Wow another battlecruiser. Only this time its a cut and paste from fed one I bought a month ago. Sorry, I understand wanting to support KDF but I won't buy the same thing twice. If I want to play with this ship I'll pull out the Avenger. Atleast when I bought it the first time, it provided a unique playstyle to the federation faction. KDF do not need another BC, Cryptic could have given KDF a science ship or an escort that can keep up with federation ones. Even a cruiser would have been a nice change. But seriously, another flippin battlecruiser?! No wonder Cryptic can't make any money on the KDF, they put zero thought into what they provide to that side.
This is part of why I didn't buy the Avenger, if I wanted to fly a proper Battlecruiser, I would do so a member of the KDF.
now they could have made a KDF 5/2 Destroyer, that would have been awesome sauce, but I cannot wait to buy this ship. But then Battlecruisers and Destroyers are my prefered ship classes.
It's just going to be strange to not be using my Fleet Tor'kaht or Fleet Kamarang as much, I love both those ships.
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Wow another battlecruiser. Only this time its a cut and paste from fed one I bought a month ago. Sorry, I understand wanting to support KDF but I won't buy the same thing twice. If I want to play with this ship I'll pull out the Avenger. Atleast when I bought it the first time, it provided a unique playstyle to the federation faction. KDF do not need another BC, Cryptic could have given KDF a science ship or an escort that can keep up with federation ones. Even a cruiser would have been a nice change. But seriously, another flippin battlecruiser?! No wonder Cryptic can't make any money on the KDF, they put zero thought into what they provide to that side.
You have a point, though I'll still probably pick this thing up. This is the first end-game KDF ship added to the C-Store since I started playing, so it's not like there are many options that are competitive in the current game environment. I'd have been more inclined to buy an Andorian Escort or Multi-Mission Science Vessel equivalent (NOTE: not asking for a copy/paste), but beggars, choosers, and whatnot. :P
Seriously, though, if the litmus test for making ships for the KDF is copy/pasting a Federation ship (that has likely already hit profitability) and re-skinning it, something is very wrong in management. This is not a new ship for the KDF, this is a Starfleet ship being resold on the KDF side... assuming the leaked stats are accurate. That makes it far less impressive... but yeah, it's at least something.
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This is part of why I didn't buy the Avenger, if I wanted to fly a proper Battlecruiser, I would do so a member of the KDF.
now they could have made a KDF 5/2 Destroyer, that would have been awesome sauce, but I cannot wait to buy this ship. But then Battlecruisers and Destroyers are my prefered ship classes.
It's just going to be strange to not be using my Fleet Tor'kaht or Fleet Kamarang as much, I love both those ships.
It's fine that there's a "KDF Avenger" now but it's a bit wasted.
The new ship will be good... it *is* a copy & paste of the Avenger in a much less horrid looking ship. But even with the advent of the Avenger, the KDF Battlecruiser line wasn't completely outclassed, even as a whole.
A good KDF BOP or Gorn/Nausicaan/Orion Destroyer along the lines you mentioned would have been great, most especially a Destroyer. The KDF Escort line has been very much obsolete since the Fleet Ship System was implemented.
Realize that it was most likely done as a copy paste job of the Avenger because of outcry from thr KDF fanbase that the Avenger was a better KDF battle cruiser. The Devs even supported this when one mentioned that the new KDF ship was being redesigned to take its cues from the Avenger. It should not be a surprise.
I like the ship and I have no issue that it is a copy paste to some degree. I am buying it anyway.
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Its also special to the KDF in that it has 5 fore weapons and its unique console.
You can get non spike boots from buying the Bortasqu uniform from the fleet starbase tailor
a'gren has been flying the RA Negh'var for a a few years now time to upgrade
Besides, Cryptic shouldn't need to be bribed into making more KDF ships. KDF players buy more than enough ... maybe not buku bucks but a decent amount. Even if KDF is a loss leader it still makes sense to invest modestly (1 every 2-3 years is very modest) to keep the only other faction alive.
Btw, ships are a veritable gold mine for Cryptic. Consider that this game may have something like 150 - 200K players. If only 1% of those players buy the latest and greatest ship that is 1.5 to 2K sales. So $15,000 to $20,000 @ $25 for C-store. That is about 3-4 man months in revenue assuming an average salary of 5-7K. I doubt it takes 3-4 man months to construct the artwork and write the code. But even if it does, it is not a very high threshold. Even with overhead from sales, management and other TRIBBLE it is still not that hard for them to profit and profit big.
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It's a pretty safe bet that the future of any more kdf ships/costumes/content is probably riding on the success of this ship - so I would say that for kdf players - that makes it pretty special. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is. If this ship does not sell well then spending another dime on the kdf is going to be hard to justify and will also be used to say - hey we gave you a brand new c-store ship but there was no market so why should we doing anything more for the kdf?? You know it's true.
Now I have to get a Fleet Mogh (3000Z) for my Lvl 50 KDF Engineer, and I'm still planning to get a Raider for a new KDF Tactical toon I'm going to start JUST to be a Raider captain (0Z since I'll use my Vice Admiral token to pick up a B'rel Retrofit).
And of course, to make the Raider as good as it can be (and to take advantage of flanking) I'll want to buy a Ki'Tang for Subspace Jump (1500z).
Now it looks like my least-played faction may become my most-played for the next couple of months...
You got me, Cryptic.
I'm not not so sure why it should not have a battlecloak?
Why not? All the Romulan ships have battlecloak, and its not entirely foreign to the KDF after all.
Point at the Scimitar.
At the very least it should have standard cloak. It would make up for the monstrosity cloak the Klingons slap onto the Bortasqu
But hey, great jobs Cryptic. I will happily folk out my noodle for this beauty. Ah, the joy of cruising the freight lanes in my new spiffy ship.
And just in time for the start of STO Frontlines I might add. Ha-ha! The Klingon War drums, they are a playing my tune.
Why does that look like a cross between the vet destroyer and a raptor?
Regardless, if they get it out before Christmas I will buy one if for no other reason than to support the KDF getting stuff.
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Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Looks more like a cross between the Bortasque and the vet destroyer to me, which makes sense since those two ships (and the Ho'sus) represent the most recent developments in KDF shipbuilding...before the mogh.
But seriously, can I preorder?
Considering how many people are likening it to the multi-mode Vet ship and that the Avenger's console is a multi-modal Torpedo, I would expect something based along those lines. I'm hoping that it's part of the ship and does some sort of animation for changing modes. If this is the same ship that was delayed, as it looks like a Negh'var in views other than the official and most of the leaked pics, IMO, I could see some sort animation hang-up having been the trouble that delayed it.
This is part of why I didn't buy the Avenger, if I wanted to fly a proper Battlecruiser, I would do so a member of the KDF.
now they could have made a KDF 5/2 Destroyer, that would have been awesome sauce, but I cannot wait to buy this ship. But then Battlecruisers and Destroyers are my prefered ship classes.
It's just going to be strange to not be using my Fleet Tor'kaht or Fleet Kamarang as much, I love both those ships.
... As u have just seen, even Tom Paris wants to buy this KDF ship ^_^ ... maybe a possible present for B'elanna Torres perhaps?
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You have a point, though I'll still probably pick this thing up. This is the first end-game KDF ship added to the C-Store since I started playing, so it's not like there are many options that are competitive in the current game environment. I'd have been more inclined to buy an Andorian Escort or Multi-Mission Science Vessel equivalent (NOTE: not asking for a copy/paste), but beggars, choosers, and whatnot. :P
Seriously, though, if the litmus test for making ships for the KDF is copy/pasting a Federation ship (that has likely already hit profitability) and re-skinning it, something is very wrong in management. This is not a new ship for the KDF, this is a Starfleet ship being resold on the KDF side... assuming the leaked stats are accurate. That makes it far less impressive... but yeah, it's at least something.
It's fine that there's a "KDF Avenger" now but it's a bit wasted.
The new ship will be good... it *is* a copy & paste of the Avenger in a much less horrid looking ship. But even with the advent of the Avenger, the KDF Battlecruiser line wasn't completely outclassed, even as a whole.
A good KDF BOP or Gorn/Nausicaan/Orion Destroyer along the lines you mentioned would have been great, most especially a Destroyer. The KDF Escort line has been very much obsolete since the Fleet Ship System was implemented.
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I like the ship and I have no issue that it is a copy paste to some degree. I am buying it anyway.
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