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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    :D LMAO......well I guess I didn't just spend 25 bucks and buy it then. :P :D Must have been a dream. :P

    Not really whether one person bought it, so much as a measurement of market trend. A move of a hypothetical 3 points right now for example would represent $6500 worth of dil-zen conversion, or 260 buyers just from that, and i've no idea the ratio of dil purchases vs people using their credit cards. Still its probably a few hundred ships at most? Its that enough to pay the salaries of the guys who developed it over the time involved in doing so? Thats the real question, not what a handful of players did.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I paid cash for zen and bought mine that way. I find the "Dil exchange jumped " a rather poor gauge for wether its selling well or not.

    It is well worth every penny!!!!
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  • ficrficr Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Purchased. This will mark my only non-discount ship purchase. Here's to a decent KDF Science ship in the future!

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  • beclourbeclour Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Muhahaha...
    The I.K.S. Fek'lhr lives!

    Now I've got to figure out how the heck to fly it.
    It actually has a proper turning pivot so its completely alien to me after flying my Qin for the past 3 months.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Not really whether one person bought it, so much as a measurement of market trend. A move of a hypothetical 3 points right now for example would represent $6500 worth of dil-zen conversion, or 260 buyers just from that, and i've no idea the ratio of dil purchases vs people using their credit cards. Still its probably a few hundred ships at most? Its that enough to pay the salaries of the guys who developed it over the time involved in doing so? Thats the real question, not what a handful of players did.

    I think the point I was making is lost on you.

    I decided to pay cash for Zen in order to buy this ship even though I have a buttload of dilithium I could exchange. I didn't do that because I'm rich and I'm not saying it here to gloat or anything - I did it because I want to support the Klingon faction and because it's our first T5 C-Store ship in 18/19 months.

    I don't regret spending real money on this and buying myslef something nice I have been waiting for for almost 2 years for Christmas earlier. :D
    I assume as strange as it sounds, other people have the same mindset about it - as shown by Roach here:
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I paid cash for zen and bought mine that way. I find the "Dil exchange jumped " a rather poor gauge for wether its selling well or not.

    It is well worth every penny!!!!

    You see, due to previous experiences some KDF players tend to see these things and purchases in a different light than your average Fed. To us, it's about supporting the faction, about hopes and future development. That's why many of us won't regret spending real money for this if we happen to be able to afford it at the moment.

    Not to mention it's only a couple of hours on the first day after the Mogh's release.

    Then, another thing is that KDF players have been waiting for this for almost 2 years! Many of them constantly say that if it's not KDF they won't buy it. Guess what, we didn't have many things to buy in the C-Store these last 18 months - are you aware just how much Zen can a person have stashed in that period of time?

    This is negligible IMHO, but since it was brought up already - there in fact is a special project being released at the same time - it's in the Spire.

    And last but not least - there are fewer KDF players than Fed. That's no secret and nothing new, so the bare number of purchases compared would never be equal at this point in time.

    However, I still mantain that your attempt to bring rainy clouds on the KDF in this thread by saying "It's not doing well because the exchange didn't jump" is truly lulzworthy. :D
    Luckily, the shiny rays of awesomeness shining from the Mogh today are enough to disperse any rainy clouds and make us any less happier on this awesome day for the KDF. :)
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Heading over to the C/Z Store now.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Purchased mine, along with a module for the fleet version. Using my own money instead of someone'e else's -- because the KDF needs love and having a high turn-out for ship purchases is the only way to show Cryptic that the KDF is worth it.
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  • christianmacchristianmac Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I did my part. Paid with cash and am using my stipend for the moduale. the IKS Lust of Battle and the IKS Revenge are in service.
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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    the IKS Kor is ready for battle and really puts out the hurt
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Probably the smaller player base. Still, I was expecting it'd at least move 3, so this lack of movement is suprising. I don't recall anything else particular running when the Avenger released though, but there's always some dil-pit project available for starbases. Plus a lot of current bases, their cosmetic-upgrade slot is the 2013 ornament anyways, so won't be taking dil that way. Just makes one wonder if there are enough Klingon players for the Mogh to be profitable at all, even with maximum market saturation.
    wasn't there a ship sale when the avenger was released, followed by one of those 15% more zen things while the sale was still going? if that's when those two things happened, that's most likely what drove that market up, not the avenger itself

    EDIT: also, bought mine earlier just before i went to bed, so i haven't gotten to try it yet, but i'll be getting to it soon enough! even got a mod for the fleet version

    now if i can just find a fleet with a T4 shipyard willing to give away a provision...maybe i'll get lucky in NoP Public Service
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I would ALMOST buy this vessel based on its beautiful look alone but it is just not quite enough.

    I already own the Bortasqu' 3 pack and I have been looking at my Tactical Bortasqu' Vs. the Mogh. The standard Mogh from the C-Store does not even begin to compare with the damage dealing, heavy tanking, brutal MONSTER that is my Bortasqu. The Mogh has less hull by a long shot, less crew, less tactical consoles, no pets, and the little weapon console thing it comes with is pathetic compared to the Auto Cannon.

    So then I checked out the Fleet Mogh. It is a fair bit closer in its ability to tank when compared to my Bortasqu' but again it comes up just a tiny bit short. It also has one fewer tactical consoles. It may have one rear weapon moved forward but I find that can often be a bit of false power unless you are very careful in how you set up the ship due to massive power drain. Again, with the various abilities my Bortasqu' has and its design it still seems the superior damage dealer. (Especially with the HoH'SuS now using a mini-auto cannon and Attack Pattern Beta.)

    The only thing the Mogh really has strongly up on my Bortasqu' is turn rate and while that can be important (especially in PvP) it is not enough of a boost or difference to really convince me to give up my terrible Titan. This is even more so considering that to even GET the Fleet version I need a T4 Starbase which I do not have so it is not really even a consideration at all.
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited December 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    I would ALMOST buy this vessel based on its beautiful look alone but it is just not quite enough.

    I already own the Bortasqu' 3 pack and I have been looking at my Tactical Bortasqu' Vs. the Mogh. The standard Mogh from the C-Store does not even begin to compare with the damage dealing, heavy tanking, brutal MONSTER that is my Bortasqu. The Mogh has less hull by a long shot, less crew, less tactical consoles, no pets, and the little weapon console thing it comes with is pathetic compared to the Auto Cannon.

    So then I checked out the Fleet Mogh. It is a fair bit closer in its ability to tank when compared to my Bortasqu' but again it comes up just a tiny bit short. It also has one fewer tactical consoles. It may have one rear weapon moved forward but I find that can often be a bit of false power unless you are very careful in how you set up the ship due to massive power drain. Again, with the various abilities my Bortasqu' has and its design it still seems the superior damage dealer. (Especially with the HoH'SuS now using a mini-auto cannon and Attack Pattern Beta.)

    The only thing the Mogh really has strongly up on my Bortasqu' is turn rate and while that can be important (especially in PvP) it is not enough of a boost or difference to really convince me to give up my terrible Titan. This is even more so considering that to even GET the Fleet version I need a T4 Starbase which I do not have so it is not really even a consideration at all.

    Regarding the starbase bit: You can find fleets who freely give out access to their starbase for purchases, you just have to use your own fleet's resources.
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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Regarding the starbase bit: You can find fleets who freely give out access to their starbase for purchases, you just have to use your own fleet's resources.

    True, for everything but ships. Ships require you to be in a fleet that has unlocked access, rather than at a fleet store that has unlocked access. The difference is minor in theory, but profound in practice... since you actually have to be in a fleet to get access to the ships, you also use their provisions to buy it as well, even if you are only a temporary member. There are still fleets that will grant free access, but remember you are using their provisions, so try an pitch something in if you can as a thank you. ;)
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Regarding the starbase bit: You can find fleets who freely give out access to their starbase for purchases, you just have to use your own fleet's resources.

    As I recall you must join the fleet in question in order to buy ships. It is the only thing that works that way.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    True, for everything but ships. Ships require you to be in a fleet that has unlocked access, rather than at a fleet store that has unlocked access. The difference is minor in theory, but profound in practice... since you actually have to be in a fleet to get access to the ships, you also use their provisions to buy it as well, even if you are only a temporary member. There are still fleets that will grant free access, but remember you are using their provisions, so try an pitch something in if you can as a thank you. ;)

    Well if there's interest and Ferengi negotiation skills it can be done. :P

    Jokes aside, there are fleets that offer fleet ship purchases although I don't know what's the price. And yeah, it's only fair to have somekind of a price in this situation since you'll be using their provisions when you buy a fleet ship.
    But I've seen fleets offering their shipyards to players interested in getting the fleet Mogh these days on Qo'noS, so I guess it's not that hard to work something out if you want to get a fleet ship. I know many people that got a fleet B'rel some time ago and there were not many (and still are not many) fully fledged T5 fleets out there.
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  • jjumetleyjjumetley Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ficr wrote: »
    Purchased. This will mark my only non-discount ship purchase.
    Same here! :)
  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bought both c-store as well as fleet version for my engineer today to replace my beam boat.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Been flying the mogh since it was released. Nice ship. But I wish I didn't get the cstore version. Fleet is good enough.
    The console is da suxx
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Having fun using my Fleet Mogh, great ship.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    I would ALMOST buy this vessel based on its beautiful look alone but it is just not quite enough.

    I already own the Bortasqu' 3 pack and I have been looking at my Tactical Bortasqu' Vs. the Mogh. The standard Mogh from the C-Store does not even begin to compare with the damage dealing, heavy tanking, brutal MONSTER that is my Bortasqu. The Mogh has less hull by a long shot, less crew, less tactical consoles, no pets, and the little weapon console thing it comes with is pathetic compared to the Auto Cannon.

    So then I checked out the Fleet Mogh. It is a fair bit closer in its ability to tank when compared to my Bortasqu' but again it comes up just a tiny bit short. It also has one fewer tactical consoles. It may have one rear weapon moved forward but I find that can often be a bit of false power unless you are very careful in how you set up the ship due to massive power drain. Again, with the various abilities my Bortasqu' has and its design it still seems the superior damage dealer. (Especially with the HoH'SuS now using a mini-auto cannon and Attack Pattern Beta.)

    The only thing the Mogh really has strongly up on my Bortasqu' is turn rate and while that can be important (especially in PvP) it is not enough of a boost or difference to really convince me to give up my terrible Titan. This is even more so considering that to even GET the Fleet version I need a T4 Starbase which I do not have so it is not really even a consideration at all.

    While it may appear that way on paper, you may just find the results to be quite different in practice.

    As someone who loves my Tactical Bortas behemoth and near-unkillable Neghvar to bits, I expected the Mogh to maybe be a fun little ship when I was in the mood for a zippy attack ship. What I got.. was the KDF Battlecruiser analogy to the Vesta - compared to all other science ships.

    Bluntly, the Mogh's firepower and combat prowess puts every other KDF battlecruiser to shame. It hits harder than a Tactical Bortasqu, dances around better than a Vorcha, and can take a beating like a Neghvar. It's also far, far more flexible thanks to the universal bridge seating(I can actually afford to run tractor beam on mine - or swap it over to engineering on the fly if I need a little extra durability).
  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    szerontzur wrote: »
    While it may appear that way on paper, you may just find the results to be quite different in practice.

    As someone who loves my Tactical Bortas behemoth and near-unkillable Neghvar to bits, I expected the Mogh to maybe be a fun little ship when I was in the mood for a zippy attack ship. What I got.. was the KDF Battlecruiser analogy to the Vesta - compared to all other science ships.

    Bluntly, the Mogh's firepower and combat prowess puts every other KDF battlecruiser to shame. It hits harder than a Tactical Bortasqu, dances around better than a Vorcha, and can take a beating like a Neghvar. It's also far, far more flexible thanks to the universal bridge seating(I can actually afford to run tractor beam on mine - or swap it over to engineering on the fly if I need a little extra durability).

    The Fleet Vor'Cha is faster than it is and easier to get. The Tactical Bortasqu' can out tank it and actually dishes out far more damage, especially in terms of devastating Spike Damage.

    Basically the Fleet Mogh is a slightly tankier version of the Fleet Vor'Cha with better bridge officer seating and 5 Fore weapons as opposed to 4 with a little less agility.

    That makes it a darned good ship, do not misread otherwise, but it is just not quite a match for the unyielding and brutal monster that is a properly designed Tactical Bortasqu' with all of its toys and its even more versatile bridge officer seating.

    To some degree I suppose this is appropriate as one is more expensive than the other and meant to be the Flag Ship so it should be superior. It is odd to me though that it is only a bit better than the Fleet Vor'Cha and largely just a ship for when you do not want to deal with turning circles that most satellites would be comfortable in.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Far too much gushing about the bortasqu. Far too much. Maybe you can get 1 good alpha spike out of it and get really good damage from DHCs up front, but outside of the first target nothing else will stray in front of your very tiny cone of fire. And if you go with BA setup you're just not doing as much damage as a comprehensive DHC setup on a more nimble battlecruiser.


    The thing about the new Mogh (and I speak from owning the avenger copy of it) is that you can put DHCs on it and KEEP them on target. You can switch from target to target quite easily and are very capable on the battlefield. The Bortas has to just sit there. It cannot turn. Even with A2Damp, RCS consoles, etc, it's a freaking tub, and THAT hurts its damage output.

    The Mogh has massive hull hitpoints, good maneuverability, and good shield modifier. Altogether it is far more capable than the bortas. Bortas was the worst C-store purchase I made. It has its merits, but it's not a great ship. It's barely a good ship. It won't be top DPS and it won't do better than a Mogh or any more nimble battlecruiser will do. Hell the Neghvar outdoes the Bortas because of turn rate alone, and has nearly as much hull.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Cryptic kept their word and so have I. Mogh sitting in my personal fleet now. :)

    Let us mark the occasion and hope they release even more for the KDF soon.

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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited December 2013
    You know, having fought a few Moghs in PvP, I am not really impressed. Every day I become more and more convinced that DHCs are no longer possible except for escorts and raiders. You can do it ... but your damage will be pitiful against anything but space whales.

    I also feel like the Moghs are quite a bit squishier than the Avenger. Could be Klingons going to heavy on tac. Not sure what's going on here. Also maybe the feds loaded up their ships with the most expensive and best fleet gear out there. But whenever I meat a Mogh, I go right after it. If I am facing an Avenger ... I think twice.
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    You know, having fought a few Moghs in PvP, I am not really impressed. Every day I become more and more convinced that DHCs are no longer possible except for escorts and raiders. You can do it ... but your damage will be pitiful against anything but space whales.

    I also feel like the Moghs are quite a bit squishier than the Avenger. Could be Klingons going to heavy on tac. Not sure what's going on here. Also maybe the feds loaded up their ships with the most expensive and best fleet gear out there. But whenever I meat a Mogh, I go right after it. If I am facing an Avenger ... I think twice.

    I haven't had a chance to get the Mogh yet, but every new ship brings people to pvp to test out their new ship. Most of these people either suck at pvp or just haven't found a build to fit them yet. Give it a few weeks and I'm sure you'll find a good one :)

    Aux to Dampners really helps cannon cruisers a lot.

    All DHCs have sucked in pvp for a while now. I usually use 1 DBB with BO now with DHC and I've been using the Omega Deflector and Engine for the Tetryon Glider bonus. Lots of people in PvP don't have any power insulators for some reason.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited December 2013
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    I haven't had a chance to get the Mogh yet, but every new ship brings people to pvp to test out their new ship. Most of these people either suck at pvp or just haven't found a build to fit them yet. Give it a few weeks and I'm sure you'll find a good one :)

    Aux to Dampners really helps cannon cruisers a lot.

    All DHCs have sucked in pvp for a while now. I usually use 1 DBB with BO now with DHC and I've been using the Omega Deflector and Engine for the Tetryon Glider bonus. Lots of people in PvP don't have any power insulators for some reason.

    Interesting point on aux to damp. I suppose I could sacrifice 1 copy of EptS.
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  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited December 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    It's crew that makes the difference-your crew losses from kinetic hits are a pecentile, your crew's ability to repair subsystem and structure damage is a percentile, but the recovery rate's a fixed number,this means the Avenger, with a smaller crew, recovers crew numbers and efficiency about twice as fast, so everything-the hull heal, etc. takes longer and each additional hit does, as a result, more damage.

    That would explain why many people complained about Mogh being squishy.
    More if federation players have at least one human boff or/and the captain is human in the end they have a much better repair rate than Mogh.Mogh having innate cloaking, things balance somehow with Avenger in the end,i guess.

    Until now I used only the c-version Mogh because federation players complained about Mogh being OP compared to Avenger and I wanted to be fair toward them.( call that "honor" or "stupidity" :) )
    I found that c-store Mogh is a fun ship and I like it very much (never thought I will say that about a FAW battlecruiser ....).
    I mostly PVP with the Mogh and I enjoy it a lot as it is .
    My single disappointment with Mogh is the c-store console that it seems that it doesn't do much damage in PVP so I don't find any reason to use it.

    I bought this nice battlecruiser and I will buy the next kdf 5 fore /5 tac raptor/bop when/if will be launched that I am expecting since the Kumari launch..........
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bought it. So far, I am in love. Shelved my Peghqu' for it.

    Cryptic, take my money and put it towards some more KDF plz.
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