Oh my. The Klingons have made a battlecruiser then Starfleet? How could a thing happen? It is like they have history making them or something.... :rolleyes:
Don't most of battles between Starfleet and KDF ships go like this.
The Klingons are cloaked
Starfleeters are taking damage
Starfleet has use their awesome sensors to find the cloaked ship
Starfleet has now blew up the evil Klingons and helped give countless young Klingons a reason to hate them.
You have tools to counter cloaking. Start using them please?
Yeah, but I get realllly bored with every time I actually DO play PvP, my Klingon opponent quitting as soon as they see my Borg tech Nebula enter the field. Besides, this is about more than PvP balance, its about fun in PvE, which the majority of Fed players do in favor of PvP lol
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
He isn't trolling the KDF has a long history of being shafted and neglected because players like you always want to complain until features that should be KDF only are given to Feds. BITEMEPWE has been a long time defender of the KDFs right to exist as a faction, nothing wrong with that. This only makes the population disparity worse and means less attention for the KDF. Factions are not supposed to be 100% same carbon copies of each other or there is no reason to try others.
This means there will be strengths and weaknesses for each faction. YOU made the choice to play a cloaking ship in a faction that does not have cloaking as its strength and have to live with the consequences and accept its not as efficient as cloakers of other factions, or play a different faction, or play to your factions strengths which is stronger tankier cruisers and better sci ships. You don't see the KDF demanding our battlecruisers be given as much hull and shields as Fed ships because we aren't supposed to have that, its not our factions strength.
Making all factions the same is not the answer and is not good long term for STO or any mmo.
How exactly does allowing the Federation to have a grand total of three ships that can cloak innate make all three factions identical? Every KDF and Rom ship can cloak inate, every Rom can battle cloak innate. Every Cruiser, Battle Cruiser, Escort, Raider, CARRIER etc.
Three ships. That's all.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Yeah, but I get realllly bored with every time I actually DO play PvP, my Klingon opponent quitting as soon as they see my Borg tech Nebula enter the field. Besides, this is about more than PvP balance, its about fun in PvE, which the majority of Fed players do in favor of PvP lol
A good decloak alpha after mission phase changes can shave time off an STF in PvE, or help a swamped player if you have time to cloak en-route, so cloaking even has its use there. With Fleet Consoles, the sacrifice of a slot for an otherwise innate ability, really begins to hurt. And an even more criticall argument now is why must a Fed player in an Avenger sacrifice a console slot and pay a total sum of 45 dollars in Zen for the ability to do the same as a Klink in a 2500z Mogh? Are Federation players' money now worth less suddenly? Or is it as I have expressed concern, and Cryptic is now no better than other micro-transaction games which sell improved power with every new release?
How exactly does allowing the Federation to have a grand total of three ships that can cloak innate make all three factions identical? Every KDF and Rom ship can cloak inate, every Rom can battle cloak innate. Every Cruiser, Battle Cruiser, Escort, Raider, CARRIER etc.
Three ships. That's all.
Simple, it doesn't; these ships already cloak. They just fear equal footing in the one place most Fed players don't even bother with, PvP. Something they fight bloody tooth and nail over preventing, same as the Aceton Assimilator topic and now the Mogh; they cling to their unbalanced advantages. All the while complaining PvP is relatively dead and undervalued, well geez, no wonder Fed's don't like PvP. Somewhat off-topic now, but a means to improving PvP and making it popular with more people? Balance. Imagine that.
That the Defiant and AGT Galx once had innate cloaking but fewer consoles and where changed to have a cloaking device and extra consoles so it would not be a burden to them?
That's in the game release notes for all to see and read for themselves.
That the Avenger skirts the UFP presidential mandate against cloaking by not having a cloak but being able to use an existing cloak device if the player owns one?
That's fact as well and fits back to the first bit of information that feds have to use a Cloaking device to cloak and a console slot to use said device.
That such are the rules for allowed federation cloaking ingame made so by the demands of the playerbase years ago because they found standard cloak to be a handicap in PvE?
Where am I lying or playing strawman?
The feds where given a ship that falls well within the lines of how fed ships are designed and the KDF where given one that falls well within the lines of how they design ships. No rules have been broken. No imbalance is accrued due to one little console slot that you have to use for a device that doesn't even come on the ship.
This is the same dead horse that others have been beating into glue for years now.
It still holds no weight as the strawman arguments that the single console slot used makes or breaks your ship is not valid, and it never has been.
Lets look at the stats though,
Tactical Escort Retrofit
30,000 hull
0.9 shield mod
4 3 2 Tac/eng/sci slots
17 turn rate Better shield mod and better turn rate + cloak capable.
versus
Qin Heavy Raptor
33,000 hull
0.83 shield mod
4 3 2 Tac/Eng/Sci slots
15 turn rate more hull/ innate cloaking
Funny the only imbalance their is against the KDF.
AGT dreadnought
40,000 hull
1 shield mod
3 4 2 Tac/Eng/Sci slots
6 turn Spinal lance/ more hull/ cloak capable
There is a few ways I want to talk about this but I like keeping my posts short so I will only use one.
If you been keeping your eyes on the devs you know there is hints of a sci ship buff coming. Now you may ask what does this got to do with cloaks. I would like to bring this up.
Now what I'm trying to say is that giving Starfleet a battlecrusier that can matches the best of what the KDF can do is not good for both factions. I would like to see more tools to battle cloaking for Starfleet then what you are asking for. Why do we push for that?
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As for the Mogh battlecruiser being a clone of the Avenger with an innate cloak. . .I see this is as a preservation of the KDF's traditional advantages in battlecruisers. I mean, seriously: The Avenger is basically better than all the other KDF battlecruisers except the Mogh. The Mogh helps preserve the fact that throughout the entire span of this game's lifetime, the KDF has ALWAYS had the edge in cruisers. It's one of the few things the KDF has left 'exclusively', despite encroachment in the form of Romulan warbirds and the Avenger. I LIKE the fact that the devs decided to respect that. It's like how they decided to let the KDF keep a slight edge in carriers via the Kar'fi and some cool pets. I don't agree with Feddies having carriers at all, but at least the KDF's keeping something there.
You Feddies just need to get used to not having the best of the best in every friggin ship category. How about you just be happy with the fact that you've got better escort and science ship lines than the KDF, hmm? Oh, and 22 more T5 ships to pick from, including the 3-pack variants.
I don't agree with the Feds having the carriers they do in the game. Not that I don't think they SHOULD have carriers at all, just that instead of the Atrox, we should have gotten the Typhon
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
*eyes the ten tons of fun that is the Vo'Quv* WHY NO ONE TOLD ME IT CAN CLOAK?
Was talking about the Kar'Fi (with its phase cloak) Ar'Kif and Scimitar actually...but the Vo'Quv...that would be fun lol
I do recall one particular match against someone flying a Ar'Kif that particularly gives me ire against that system, things freaking ungodly if the person knows what they are doing.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
There is a few ways I want to talk about this but I like keeping my posts short so I will only use one.
If you been keeping your eyes on the devs you know there is hints of a sci ship buff coming. Now you may ask what does this got to do with cloaks. I would like to bring this up.
Now what I'm trying to say is that giving Starfleet a battlecrusier that can matches the best of what the KDF can do is not good for both factions. I would like to see more tools to battle cloaking for Starfleet then what you are asking for. Why do we push for that?
Great link, I love Extra Credits. but of no relevance at this time. Cryptic has proven incapable of perfect imbalance in STO, they also fail here and are beginning to fail here.
Counter-Stealth does not equal Stealth when on side has specialized forms of the counter, often sacrificing another form of versatility, and the other has prolific access with minimal impact to flexibility. Unless Sensor Scan becomes an innate to 75% of Starfleet vessels, this will not be an imperfect balance
Was talking about the Kar'Fi (with its phase cloak) Ar'Kif and Scimitar actually...but the Vo'Quv...that would be fun lol
I do recall one particular match against someone flying a Ar'Kif that particularly gives me ire against that system, things freaking ungodly if the person knows what they are doing.
That isn't a real cloak, it's a psuedo-cloak which still permits shields to be up and energy weapons used. Rather annoying to boot.
You are right...kind of. Perfect Imbalance is not in STO but what people are asking is stop trying. I would rather see more counters to everything (Fed,KDF,Rommie, and Lockbox stuff) then giving everyone everything. Yes it is just 3 ships (and really the galaxy could get the cloak built in) but cloaks and Klingons are like Starfleet and the Connie. You would not want to see a smelly Klingon in the Captain's chair.
You are right...kind of. Perfect Imbalance is not in STO but what people are asking is stop trying. I would rather see more counters to everything (Fed,KDF,Rommie, and Lockbox stuff) then giving everyone everything. Yes it is just 3 ships (and really the galaxy could get the cloak built in) but cloaks and Klingons are like Starfleet and the Connie. You would not want to see a smelly Klingon in the Captain's chair.
We already have smelly Klingons in Starfleet in the Captain's chair, they're a C-Store unlock. :P
It's not giving everything, however, as these three ships already cloak, the means of which is the issue. And hell, the KDF has been given some of our counters such as the IGS universal, which mind you is brutal to be caught by as a cloaker. And any Sci Captain gives them sensor scan, truly evil when used from a B'rel retro without leaving cloak themselves.
Thinking of the Kar'Fi, if that is the real comparable for balance, then boy does our console need a boost. Maybe the ability to remain fully shielded while cloaked? I can hear the anger already.
That point is relying heavily on Lore speculation. This is a matter of game mechanics balance. Lore and game mechanics are like church and state, they should always be kept separate. Look at The Big MMO, in which they permitted players to choose non-lore supported class specs for the sake of game mechanics balance. When you let one influence the other, you just end up with a hot mess.
Also, BoPs are Warp-Core powered with B-cloak.
Yes but they have a quote on quote canon one of a kind cloak tested on one ship that also got destroyed mind you. So I wouldn't really define it as the standard battle cloak! :P
Klingon battle cruisers, raptors, and BoP all have some variety of innate cloak, more maneuverability, and dual cannons. The Vo'Quv is still the only free(no lock boxes, Zen, or lobi crystals) carrier that can launch frigates(that cloak no less). The federation may have the edge in number of ships, but, all of the C-store fed ships have some gimmicky console or borderline useless ability(dreadnought cruiser). Whereas on the klingon side we have the Scourge Siege Destroyer, the only non-subscriber/lockbox ship that can transform. I do agree that the KDF needs more free ships, but, when you complain about how many more ships the Fed's have than you I want you to remember that your ships are better, mainly because the klingons are supposed to be warmongers(PW doesn't have to pussyfoot around the peacekeeper image like it does starfleet, and create BS consoles [Tachyon Detection Field].)
Heavy Weapons, knocking down walls and horribly maiming people since man first asked "What if I made this really big?".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thinking it over, this is how simply I would address the overly obsolescent ships.
Avenger: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Gal-X: Innate cloak, replace old console with Saucer Sep console possibly.
Defiant: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Qin: Bumping turn-rate up to match the Defiant.
KDF BCs: They're fine as is, as they have already been rebalanced per the Devs.
Failing that, as had been suggested prior, change the Fed Cloaking device, into a device slot item.
Thinking it over, this is how simply I would address the overly obsolescent ships.
Avenger: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Gal-X: Innate cloak, replace old console with Saucer Sep console possibly.
Defiant: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Qin: Bumping turn-rate up to match the Defiant and fixing the pivot point issue it's been suffering from for years now.
KDF BCs: They're fine as is, as they have already been rebalanced per the Devs.
Failing that, as had been suggested prior, change the Fed Cloaking device, into a device slot item.
added a bit there; everything else i generally agree with, especially the bit about making the cloaking device an actual device
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Another area I want to cover. Changing how the cloaking console works opens an can of worms. Why does that console become built in and not many of the other consoles. Same if it becomes a device.
Another area I want to cover. Changing how the cloaking console works opens an can of worms. Why does that console become built in and not many of the other consoles. Same if it becomes a device.
i actually wouldn't mind if they made all universal consoles that grant an activatable power devices, because when you think about it, what normal console actually gives any active powers? none - they all grant passive boosts to one stat or another
same with devices; which ones grant any kind of passive bonus? none that i can think of; subspace field modulator, red matter capacitor, batteries, turrets, distress calls - all those have to be activated to get their effects
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Another area I want to cover. Changing how the cloaking console works opens an can of worms. Why does that console become built in and not many of the other consoles. Same if it becomes a device.
Easy, cloak is by default an innate ability. The cloak console is the exception, not the norm. No conflict there. The Device change would honestly be more odd-ball.
There are lots of silly things and the Fed ships getting a built in standard cloak is one of them. By Canon standards all cloaks should be battlecloaks - defiant was seen cloaking under fire in half a dozen episodes. This is also purely a PvP issue as you don't need a cloak for pve - it's pure fluff. I hardly ever use cloak on my rommie ships as it just wasting some extra clicking. They should never have given the Avenger the ability to use the cloaking console - that was a silly mistake.
All you need in pvp to avoid getting vaped by most people is a tac team or rsp anyways so it's not much use there. You either have battlecloak or nothing. How many kdf use the cloak in pvp matches? Maybe for the first shot then not again. It's just a waste.
Personally I don't care one way or the other If they made it a device as I indicated the standard cloak is mostly just a gimmick, however, this request has been going on now for years and has lead to no changes. It's beating the dead horse again - sadly cryptic dragged it out of the barn for another beating with the Avenger. Not once have I equipped the cloak on my avenger - and not more than a few times on my defiant.
There are lots of silly things and the Fed ships getting a built in standard cloak is one of them. By Canon standards all cloaks should be battlecloaks - defiant was seen cloaking under fire in half a dozen episodes. This is also purely a PvP issue as you don't need a cloak for pve - it's pure fluff. I hardly ever use cloak on my rommie ships as it just wasting some extra clicking. They should never have given the Avenger the ability to use the cloaking console - that was a silly mistake.
All you need in pvp to avoid getting vaped by most people is a tac team or rsp anyways so it's not much use there. You either have battlecloak or nothing. How many kdf use the cloak in pvp matches? Maybe for the first shot then not again. It's just a waste.
Personally I don't care one way or the other If they made it a device as I indicated the standard cloak is mostly just a gimmick, however, this request has been going on now for years and has lead to no changes. It's beating the dead horse again - sadly cryptic dragged it out of the barn for another beating with the Avenger. Not once have I equipped the cloak on my avenger - and not more than a few times on my defiant.
Damn it man, we will beat that horse till they bring us a new one. (sarcasm)
Damn it man, we will beat that horse till they bring us a new one. (sarcasm)
They (Cryptic) keep giving these 'dead horses' new life with each can of worms. KDF has it's herd of pummeled equine cadavers as well. With this one, it has basically been said that standard cloaking is tactically minute enough that it doesn't cost anything, if you are a Klink. Then in the same statement, it is indicated that for Starfleet, the same 'worthless' cloaking carries a price of a console slot and if it didn't, it would be a 'slippery slope'. In a game were powercreep has made console slots incredibly valuable, and the counterpart vessel has zero trade-offs and is outright superior, this is an concerning double-standard. Additionally there is the requirement of a monetary investment to buy a ship that can cloak for Starfleet characters; or in the Avenger's case, the cost of two ships for cloaking as that is what it takes.
It's an even more alarming critical double-standard when it leaves the realm of game mechanics, and becomes a monetary case of 'You Blue team guys have to pay twice as much for the same level of functionality as Red team for the exact same ship'
There are lots of silly things and the Fed ships getting a built in standard cloak is one of them. By Canon standards all cloaks should be battlecloaks - defiant was seen cloaking under fire in half a dozen episodes. This is also purely a PvP issue as you don't need a cloak for pve - it's pure fluff. I hardly ever use cloak on my rommie ships as it just wasting some extra clicking. They should never have given the Avenger the ability to use the cloaking console - that was a silly mistake.
All you need in pvp to avoid getting vaped by most people is a tac team or rsp anyways so it's not much use there. You either have battlecloak or nothing. How many kdf use the cloak in pvp matches? Maybe for the first shot then not again. It's just a waste.
Personally I don't care one way or the other If they made it a device as I indicated the standard cloak is mostly just a gimmick, however, this request has been going on now for years and has lead to no changes. It's beating the dead horse again - sadly cryptic dragged it out of the barn for another beating with the Avenger. Not once have I equipped the cloak on my avenger - and not more than a few times on my defiant.
Uh, have you ever fought a cannon/turret armed Scimitar with a Reman Tac captain? That 15% goes up to around 45%, which is actually pretty big when you do the math.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
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Yeah, but I get realllly bored with every time I actually DO play PvP, my Klingon opponent quitting as soon as they see my Borg tech Nebula enter the field. Besides, this is about more than PvP balance, its about fun in PvE, which the majority of Fed players do in favor of PvP lol
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
How exactly does allowing the Federation to have a grand total of three ships that can cloak innate make all three factions identical? Every KDF and Rom ship can cloak inate, every Rom can battle cloak innate. Every Cruiser, Battle Cruiser, Escort, Raider, CARRIER etc.
Three ships. That's all.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
A good decloak alpha after mission phase changes can shave time off an STF in PvE, or help a swamped player if you have time to cloak en-route, so cloaking even has its use there. With Fleet Consoles, the sacrifice of a slot for an otherwise innate ability, really begins to hurt. And an even more criticall argument now is why must a Fed player in an Avenger sacrifice a console slot and pay a total sum of 45 dollars in Zen for the ability to do the same as a Klink in a 2500z Mogh? Are Federation players' money now worth less suddenly? Or is it as I have expressed concern, and Cryptic is now no better than other micro-transaction games which sell improved power with every new release?
Simple, it doesn't; these ships already cloak. They just fear equal footing in the one place most Fed players don't even bother with, PvP. Something they fight bloody tooth and nail over preventing, same as the Aceton Assimilator topic and now the Mogh; they cling to their unbalanced advantages. All the while complaining PvP is relatively dead and undervalued, well geez, no wonder Fed's don't like PvP. Somewhat off-topic now, but a means to improving PvP and making it popular with more people? Balance. Imagine that.
One problem.
Quin Heavy Raptor: Reach level 40
Tactical Escort Retrofit: $20
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit: Reach level 40
AGT dreadnought: $25
There is your imbalance.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
If you been keeping your eyes on the devs you know there is hints of a sci ship buff coming. Now you may ask what does this got to do with cloaks. I would like to bring this up.
Now what I'm trying to say is that giving Starfleet a battlecrusier that can matches the best of what the KDF can do is not good for both factions. I would like to see more tools to battle cloaking for Starfleet then what you are asking for. Why do we push for that?
Kill this thread
*eyes the ten tons of fun that is the Vo'Quv* WHY NO ONE TOLD ME IT CAN CLOAK?
I don't agree with the Feds having the carriers they do in the game. Not that I don't think they SHOULD have carriers at all, just that instead of the Atrox, we should have gotten the Typhon
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Bad Klingon. Doing things like this feed into what people think about the KDF.
Some of the greatest battles are fought with words. Use those as your blade and you can bring great honor to yourself.
Was talking about the Kar'Fi (with its phase cloak) Ar'Kif and Scimitar actually...but the Vo'Quv...that would be fun lol
I do recall one particular match against someone flying a Ar'Kif that particularly gives me ire against that system, things freaking ungodly if the person knows what they are doing.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Great link, I love Extra Credits. but of no relevance at this time. Cryptic has proven incapable of perfect imbalance in STO, they also fail here and are beginning to fail here.
Counter-Stealth does not equal Stealth when on side has specialized forms of the counter, often sacrificing another form of versatility, and the other has prolific access with minimal impact to flexibility. Unless Sensor Scan becomes an innate to 75% of Starfleet vessels, this will not be an imperfect balance
Validating the statements that KDF want nothing more than to get this thread locked, are we?
That isn't a real cloak, it's a psuedo-cloak which still permits shields to be up and energy weapons used. Rather annoying to boot.
You are right...kind of. Perfect Imbalance is not in STO but what people are asking is stop trying. I would rather see more counters to everything (Fed,KDF,Rommie, and Lockbox stuff) then giving everyone everything. Yes it is just 3 ships (and really the galaxy could get the cloak built in) but cloaks and Klingons are like Starfleet and the Connie. You would not want to see a smelly Klingon in the Captain's chair.
We already have smelly Klingons in Starfleet in the Captain's chair, they're a C-Store unlock. :P
It's not giving everything, however, as these three ships already cloak, the means of which is the issue. And hell, the KDF has been given some of our counters such as the IGS universal, which mind you is brutal to be caught by as a cloaker. And any Sci Captain gives them sensor scan, truly evil when used from a B'rel retro without leaving cloak themselves.
Thinking of the Kar'Fi, if that is the real comparable for balance, then boy does our console need a boost. Maybe the ability to remain fully shielded while cloaked? I can hear the anger already.
Yes, the one with phase cloak, that has frigates for hanger pets.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Phase_Shift_Generator
Edit: Huh, look at that, cannons still work while phase cloaked...and this is actually BETTER than the Romulan version
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Ability:_Molecular_Phase_Inverter
Curious that the Federation, who INVENTED the Phase Cloak are the only ones who don't have it lol
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Yes but they have a quote on quote canon one of a kind cloak tested on one ship that also got destroyed mind you. So I wouldn't really define it as the standard battle cloak! :P
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
If you want battlecloak on the Federation side then they gave us allied Warbirds for that.
Avenger: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Gal-X: Innate cloak, replace old console with Saucer Sep console possibly.
Defiant: Innate cloak, good as is otherwise.
Qin: Bumping turn-rate up to match the Defiant.
KDF BCs: They're fine as is, as they have already been rebalanced per the Devs.
Failing that, as had been suggested prior, change the Fed Cloaking device, into a device slot item.
added a bit there; everything else i generally agree with, especially the bit about making the cloaking device an actual device
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
same with devices; which ones grant any kind of passive bonus? none that i can think of; subspace field modulator, red matter capacitor, batteries, turrets, distress calls - all those have to be activated to get their effects
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Easy, cloak is by default an innate ability. The cloak console is the exception, not the norm. No conflict there. The Device change would honestly be more odd-ball.
All you need in pvp to avoid getting vaped by most people is a tac team or rsp anyways so it's not much use there. You either have battlecloak or nothing. How many kdf use the cloak in pvp matches? Maybe for the first shot then not again. It's just a waste.
Personally I don't care one way or the other If they made it a device as I indicated the standard cloak is mostly just a gimmick, however, this request has been going on now for years and has lead to no changes. It's beating the dead horse again - sadly cryptic dragged it out of the barn for another beating with the Avenger. Not once have I equipped the cloak on my avenger - and not more than a few times on my defiant.
Damn it man, we will beat that horse till they bring us a new one. (sarcasm)
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Fixed that for you, hope you don't mind. :P
They (Cryptic) keep giving these 'dead horses' new life with each can of worms. KDF has it's herd of pummeled equine cadavers as well. With this one, it has basically been said that standard cloaking is tactically minute enough that it doesn't cost anything, if you are a Klink. Then in the same statement, it is indicated that for Starfleet, the same 'worthless' cloaking carries a price of a console slot and if it didn't, it would be a 'slippery slope'. In a game were powercreep has made console slots incredibly valuable, and the counterpart vessel has zero trade-offs and is outright superior, this is an concerning double-standard. Additionally there is the requirement of a monetary investment to buy a ship that can cloak for Starfleet characters; or in the Avenger's case, the cost of two ships for cloaking as that is what it takes.
It's an even more alarming critical double-standard when it leaves the realm of game mechanics, and becomes a monetary case of 'You Blue team guys have to pay twice as much for the same level of functionality as Red team for the exact same ship'
Uh, have you ever fought a cannon/turret armed Scimitar with a Reman Tac captain? That 15% goes up to around 45%, which is actually pretty big when you do the math.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'