On the upside, I did notice that Dithithium prices towards fleet projects are much, much less than previous holdings; a little over 10,000 Dilithium the first 2 projects I slotted for my fleet, which is fairly achievable by small fleets. But AFAIK, the price'll only go up instead of staying where it's at. We'll see.
That depends if you completed the Dilithum Mine. The two fleets I'm at, just recently completed Tier 2, which is only like 1/2 of the discount. And it's not enough, especially cutting down that insane 1million Dilithium uipgrade projects (which is now like 950000).
Fleet marks aren't the problem, nor are the general commodities needed for base rep projects. It's the dilithium and DOFF requirements IMO.
PWE is hoping people in those small fleets will buy ZEN to convert to dilithium for rep projects rather than grind it out for a decade or so.
Exactly they want us to, but my fleet will not. We refuse to spend real money for bad content. And we have been burnt out on grinding before S8 rolled out, S8 is just a kick in the groin. All we need is someone act as Shang Tsung and say "Finish him!" to deliver the impact.
first huge spike was the F2P launch, next huge Spike was LoR...
and with S8 the numbers are going up again slightly, it is too early to tell how big this spike will be (lets give it a week or two) but so far ... lets zoom in a little on the last few days
i see there is a clear increase from a 3000 average over the last week more towards 4000
so i'd say... roughly 25% increase in Playerbase numbers so far.
Of course there are more players than just Steam, but its a good indication of what is going on percentage wise.
Personally, for a huge Season update, i have not seen everything so far, but this feels rather lackluster so far.
What i really don't get is why Cryptic keeps insisting on creating more of these "Adventure Zones" and Reputation and Fleet Systems... neither Defera, Nukara or New Romulus were really that awesome, granted they are getting better at doing those things, but why keep polishing something that the players don't want anyway?
We want new weekly FE Series, where are those Foundry improvements from Neverwinter... that are being talked about for 2 years now?
The DOff System is stagnating since Heretic left, anything PvP or Exploration would be very welcome too.... nope more Reputation Stuff... more Fleet grind... that i don't even need to participate in because my fleet has the stuff filled while i don't even bother to log in anymore.
The PvE content is so easy mode that i don't need the power creep from the Reputation System anyway and PvP is so dead they could just delete it, i wouldn't notice.
But maybe i'm just burned out after 6000 hrs playtime over 4 years and 11 Characters... i will force myself to log in a few more times to explore a bit more of the new content. But i don't see me getting back into grind mode again.
Because I could actually log into the game and play it within the first hour of release. I don't consider a new expansion to be a success unless I actually have trouble logging in with all the other players stretching the server capacity to its limit. Like with LoR.
Because I can do the Breach on elite once per day and have my reputation projects filled for that day.
Because the Dyson sphere doesn't offer anything beyond "fly around and shoot and grind for marks".
Because Voth ships tank and do nothing else. I took out a fleet of 3 Voth battleships and various frigates by myself in a JHDC and the most annoying part was that it just took a while.
Because I encountered one or two players at the most in every Dyson space map.
Because the control levels in each zone mean nothing and do nothing to advance the allied presence in the Dyson Sphere besides letting me fly around a little faster than usual.
Because the Fleet Spire is just another fleet holding that I can build without doing any of the Season 8 content.
Because the most fun part of Season 8 that I had was Sphere of Influence. Y'know, the only mission that advanced the plot.
But what's worse than Season 8 being a failure is that it is a disappointment.
Here's a TLDR summary of the above that's simpler:
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That depends if you completed the Dilithum Mine. The two fleets I'm at, just recently completed Tier 2, which is only like 1/2 of the discount. And it's not enough, especially cutting down that insane 1million Dilithium uipgrade projects (which is now like 950000).
We haven't even gotten to Tier 2 on the Dilithium Mine, and I'm seeing that all we need to donate Dilithium-wise is a little over 10k, though like I said, I suspect the price'll go up, which is not a good idea IMO.
We haven't even gotten to Tier 2 on the Dilithium Mine, and I'm seeing that all we need to donate Dilithium-wise is a little over 10k, though like I said, I suspect the price'll go up, which is not a good idea IMO.
The thing I have to remember is to not become so attached to things like starbases and other holdings with all the games i've played that are like ghost towns with full this and that but otherwise useless to me now heh. They are nothing more to what is known by many to be the flavor of the month and what pays the bills for cryptic.
So I actually went back and read every single reply. If anybody has refuted even one point I made in my two initial posts, I haven't seen it. And the only counterpoint anybody has made is "Well the visuals are lovely", to which I agree. But nice graphics and beautiful landscapes are not enough to satisfy me. Even an aesthete will get bored of staring at "Starry Night" for 3 hours every day for a year. I must conclude that people haven't put forth any other compelling counter-arguments because they can't, because there are none.
Please, somebody refute these:
- Nothing players do actually makes a difference to territory control or brings our side closer to destroying all the Omega particles.
- There is no plot being advanced.
- There is no thinking of a solution or negotiating for a solution, there's only a firing solution.
- Shoot to get rewards and nothing else.
- Once you're done shooting the big dumb objects, go back and shoot the exact same big dumb objects again for another reward. That's all there is to do.
A cutscene of a diplomatic delegation to the Voth being wiped out would have been nice. Hell, we actually had missions on the Undine front to open diplomatic relations with them. There was a time when Cryptic at least paid lip service to the idea that the Federation is not a gang of intergalactic criminals. A few little extras could have at least justified the sloppy lack of storytelling. I could have forgiven the whole damn season if they had put in that tiny bit of effort.
And so many people who disagree with my argument have either called me a whiner or a Cryptic hater or said they just love the new expansion, so why don't I? To that I say: some people love movies produced by, directed by, and starring the Wayans brothers, but that doesn't make those movies good.
Perhaps it's because I am a lot older than most of you kids (49), but just the thrill of being inside a Dyson Sphere and taking in the awesome visualisation of what this place may actually look like was thrill enough for me.
At 46, I consider eye candy to be icing on the cake.
Problem is, Season 8 is just a thin layer of icing. On nothing. Not one crumb of cake. And I don't care how great the icing is, without the cake it lacks severely.
Lots of eye candy, no substance, no story, no plot- just more of James T's infamous line from Star Trekkin': "We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill...we come in peace, shoot to kill, men!"
KIM: I can't believe they're not going to help us. Some kind of hospitality.
TORRES: Forty thousand light years. Even if that's as far as we could go, it would still knock about four decades off our trip.
CHAKOTAY: And the possibility exists that we could reconfigure the matrix at that point to take us another thirty thousand light years, right into Federation space.
TUVOK: Since they've already said no, this kind of thinking is only going to make you feel worse.
JANEWAY: It's the first time we've been on the other side of the fence.
PARIS: What fence?
JANEWAY: The one that's made of binding principles. We have our own set of rules, which includes the Prime Directive. How many times have we been in the position of refusing to interfere when some kind of disaster threatened an alien culture. It's all very well to say we do it on the basis of an enlightened principle, but how does that feel to the aliens? I'm sure many of them think the Prime Directive is a lousy idea.
PARIS: Even we think so sometimes.
CHAKOTAY: I know of many times when Starfleet personnel have decided on strong ethical grounds to ignore it.
KIM: Still, there's a reason why it's Starfleet's General order number one. On the whole, it does a lot more good than harm.
Personally, I like the sphere. I like the battlezone. I've liked the random missions in the allied zone. Adventure Zones work because they allow you to partcipate in the story without having to tell a story via a mission that you play once. The Deferi zone is well done. New Romulus was well done. This one seems to have less storytelling, but I'm still enjoying it.
MMOs have to go with repeatable content or else no one would play. You'd log on, play a mission or featured episode and then what? How often do you go back and play old missions for no reason? (The lobi even right now, however, is awesome, and should definitely return) It's unreasonable to expect new voice-acted, detailed story missions to keep people logging on and playing.
The "grind" is what it is: a reason to keep playing. I don't mind it because I like my ship and I like the combat. And there's enough vareity now that I don't have to run Borg STFs all day. I certainly hope they'll continue to release story missions--Temporal Ambassador and Sphere of Influence were both well done--but you've got to be honest and say that repeatable content is the model for getting people to continue to play. It kept Diablo II alive for more than a decade . . . .
If only people would actually ROLEPLAY in a roleplaying game, the demand for new dev-created content would not be so high, but I know that's too much to ask.
If only people would actually ROLEPLAY in a roleplaying game, the demand for new dev-created content would not be so high, but I know that's too much to ask.
Just making a toon and doing what you will IS Roleplaying. You are "Filling the role" in which you want that character to be or do. It dosent matter if you are just after PvP or you have intricate RP groups setup to act out ST in a fantasy world. Its "Roleplaying" either way you look at it.
I dont have to RP in a Fantasy concept to enjoy a RPG game.
My only complain it's the lack of challenge with this Season, everything it's too easy to be End Game content.
The Battle Zone it's great, everything it's nicely done, buth the Voth, they are super easy. I can capture territories by my own, seriously. And when you have a full party it's something like "press fire to win".
The queue missiones are okay.
The Art, oh the Art!, it's great!.
And the new rep, i don't mind grinding a new one, but give me a reason to do it!. I mean i can do all the End Game content with just the Omega rep, there's no need in doing the other ones, improve PvP at least so i can take advantage with all the reps, but for the moment there's no need to grind them all to do just PvE, it's too easy.
For me this Season it's not a failure, but neither it's a success, more like a regular one.
Because season 8 is based on a line in a mike meyers comedy so everything else is just relevant
+1 Internet
Also Season 8 is a train wreck in slow motion. GG Devs.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
You?re lucky you?re even getting a Season 8. You should be thankful and stop whining. I'm tired of people like you whining your balls off who can't accept that we have the nicest admins who are trying their best to make these updates for you and all you do is ''WAAAH DIS IZ NUTHIN LIEK TEH SHUW ND CRIPTICZ IZ LIEK SO GREEDEH''. Cryptic?s admins could be spending their time with their family but the admins are nice enough to sit down and update the game for you. If you don't like the game anymore, then don't play it.
You?re lucky you?re even getting a Season 8. You should be thankful and stop whining. I'm tired of people like you whining your balls off who can't accept that we have the nicest admins who are trying their best to make these updates for you and all you do is ''WAAAH DIS IZ NUTHIN LIEK TEH SHUW ND CRIPTICZ IZ LIEK SO GREEDEH''. Cryptic?s admins could be spending their time with their family but the admins are nice enough to sit down and update the game for you. If you don't like the game anymore, then don't play it.
On the flip side, it's their JOB to put out a quality product. Granted it's new and interesting, but there's no meat to the bones.
I think that's the main issue for so many. It's got the ooo and ahhh factor then it's like "that's it?'
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Cryptic's admins could be spending their time with their family
Without a paycheck.
It's Cryptic's job to create a quality product that people like to play, that generates revenue. It's prudent as part of their job to take player feedback in order to see what players like and enjoy, and what they do not like and enjoy. And to take constructive feedback under consideration.
It's our job to provide constructive feedback on the forums, but many simply post negative feedback without A) Offering viable solutions or alternatives (I.E. Many people post unrealistic or unrational alternatives or solutions with respect to the game) Being objective and recognizing there's some give and take on both sides (the customer and business, no the customer is not always right and that hasn't been the case for decades in any business).
Cryptic does read the feedback, and I'd like to think they pay more attention to constructive feedback made by an objective perspective, and not blatant whining. It's careful to consider then, that all feedback (whether positive or negative) does dictate the course the game goes into. Which affects us all.
We decide the course the game goes into -- and Season 8 is one part artistic license by Cryptic, and one part feedback from the players.
I think one part people do have legitimate complaints about, but it's important to understand that many things people complain about in STO are the result of being one of many things people complained about STO in the past. And we get the game "we" ask for.
You?re lucky you?re even getting a Season 8. You should be thankful and stop whining. I'm tired of people like you whining your balls off who can't accept that we have the nicest admins who are trying their best to make these updates for you and all you do is ''WAAAH DIS IZ NUTHIN LIEK TEH SHUW ND CRIPTICZ IZ LIEK SO GREEDEH''. Cryptic?s admins could be spending their time with their family but the admins are nice enough to sit down and update the game for you. If you don't like the game anymore, then don't play it.
You know what? I also could be spending entire days with my family, but I gotta' do this thing....you know, go to work, earn some money...
Oh wait, you thought that the devs. are doing this because they're milionaires bored to death with nothing better to do in their free time?
I'm not saying the devs. aren't nice and all, cause they're cool, but at the end of the day making this game is their job. No Season 8 - no content. No content - no players. No players - no revenue. No revenue - no job.
Then they could spend all the time in the world with their families, but are probably gonna' spend it worrying how to support their families without a job.
1. No story
2. No difficulty
3. Missions are slow paced and enemies are not threatening
4. Another pointless rep grid without cool missions to make it more palatable
5. Plot is completely nonsensical ... Omega particle ... Voth ... sphere ... This is the season of Voyager because they threw in random elements.
6. Another amazingly agonizing fleet holding for all those fleets struggling to progress
7. Voth ... Who make a single appearance in Voyager ... are the star attraction
8. Dinos with lasers on their heads
9. Domesticated T'rex battling Klinks and Feds with battleths (sp)
It's Cryptic's job to create a quality product that people like to play, that generates revenue. It's prudent as part of their job to take player feedback in order to see what players like and enjoy, and what they do not like and enjoy. And to take constructive feedback under consideration.
It's our job to provide constructive feedback on the forums, but many simply post negative feedback without A) Offering viable solutions or alternatives (I.E. Many people post unrealistic or unrational alternatives or solutions with respect to the game) Being objective and recognizing there's some give and take on both sides (the customer and business, no the customer is not always right and that hasn't been the case for decades in any business).
Cryptic does read the feedback, and I'd like to think they pay more attention to constructive feedback made by an objective perspective, and not blatant whining. It's careful to consider then, that all feedback (whether positive or negative) does dictate the course the game goes into. Which affects us all.
We decide the course the game goes into -- and Season 8 is one part artistic license by Cryptic, and one part feedback from the players.
I think one part people do have legitimate complaints about, but it's important to understand that many things people complain about in STO are the result of being one of many things people complained about STO in the past. And we get the game "we" ask for.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
1. No story
2. No difficulty
3. Missions are slow paced and enemies are not threatening
4. Another pointless rep grid without cool missions to make it more palatable
5. Plot is completely nonsensical ... Omega particle ... Voth ... sphere ... This is the season of Voyager because they threw in random elements.
6. Another amazingly agonizing fleet holding for all those fleets struggling to progress
7. Voth ... Who make a single appearance in Voyager ... are the star attraction
8. Dinos with lasers on their heads
9. Domesticated T'rex battling Klinks and Feds with battleths (sp)
I could go on and on ...
See, that's a step in the right direction when it comes to feedback.
Just for the internet record, I have zero interest in anything season 8 related except for the Worf mission. I played it, and it was great.
I haven't seen anything else that remotely resembles a story, but that is from browsing the forums, not playing the content. If anyone could direct me to the parts of season 8 besides the random new enemies to kill in some kind of storyless adventure zone of rinse and repeat, then I'll be happy to play that content.
Something like a no win scenario or scanning rocks on New Romulus sparks zero interest in me. But, yeah, I'm playing a mmo simply because it's star trek when I hate everything about mmos, or at least this one, since I don't play any others.
I don't care about buckets. I don't really care about any amazing artwork done to make random killing fun. So, if anyone can direct me to the parts of season 8 that I might enjoy, then please share. I'm just looking for an actual story.
Just for the internet record, I have zero interest in anything season 8 related except for the Worf mission. I played it, and it was great.
I haven't seen anything else that remotely resembles a story, but that is from browsing the forums, not playing the content. If anyone could direct me to the parts of season 8 besides the random new enemies to kill in some kind of storyless adventure zone of rinse and repeat, then I'll be happy to play that content.
Something like a no win scenario or scanning rocks on New Romulus sparks zero interest in me. But, yeah, I'm playing a mmo simply because it's star trek when I hate everything about mmos, or at least this one, since I don't play any others.
I don't care about buckets. I don't really care about any amazing artwork done to make random killing fun. So, if anyone can direct me to the parts of season 8 that I might enjoy, then please share. I'm just looking for an actual story.
Could not agree more with the sentiments expressed here. Grinds and repetitive gameplay are okay but I need some story carrot to go along with the grind stick.
All grind and no play make Homer go something something ...
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Again on the ground, I was able to solo several of the capture points. Surely this means that the zone's general difficulty level needs to be given a second look?
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I'd agree with this, Doesn't really feel like i'm fighting a war with the voth, its more like Pest control, The combat isn't bad, its just that it could be a little more of a challenge in my opinion
( or is there an elite version of the instance i don't know of?)
There are a huge amount of people whining on the forums, well nothing new there of course, but a large number of people, very creative people, have spent a lot of time building this entire adventure zone for us to explore and enjoy, it must be pretty demoralising for them to read the negative comments on this forum.
As an old dude I offer some advice, slow down, look around, try to visualise yourself actually here, explore and read everything before you even begin to fight. If you rush through it all in a few hours then all you have to look forward to is Season 9, which no doubt will generate plenty more whining threads.
Wait a second, this looks like a thought out and eloquent response, What are you doing on a Forum? Its reserved solely for Complaints and unreasonable requests!
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Just for the internet record, I have zero interest in anything season 8 related except for the Worf mission. I played it, and it was great.
I haven't seen anything else that remotely resembles a story, but that is from browsing the forums, not playing the content. If anyone could direct me to the parts of season 8 besides the random new enemies to kill in some kind of storyless adventure zone of rinse and repeat, then I'll be happy to play that content.
Something like a no win scenario or scanning rocks on New Romulus sparks zero interest in me. But, yeah, I'm playing a mmo simply because it's star trek when I hate everything about mmos, or at least this one, since I don't play any others.
I don't care about buckets. I don't really care about any amazing artwork done to make random killing fun. So, if anyone can direct me to the parts of season 8 that I might enjoy, then please share. I'm just looking for an actual story.
wasn't there meant to be a foundry season?
To be honest if it wasn't for the foundry missions I would have stopped playing a long time ago. I dunno why they just invest in it more? Hell even if they put in blank maps that are just rooms and corridors instead of the maps that were taken from other missions would be a huge step forward!
For me I'm an STF man. The Breach is very cool. (I like the fact beam weapons are the most effective weapon in this stf!) Elachi alert I like (but is a bit simple and lacks variation)
The graphics are fantastic, but its so empty so far I haven seen many people to do the persistent battle zones, I presume that's more to do with time zones.
The new lock box and Voth reputation is worthless to me. Nothing of value there to hold my interest.
The sponsorship tokens, ace idea. I can really catch up with my toons now.
However my opinion is my own.
Monkey see, Monkey do. Monkey flings Feathered Monkey poo...
When they say SEASON, I am expecting a whole arc. I was expecting exploration, maybe some missions working with other factions.
I was literally done with the "season" mission inside of an hour. It's not season worthy, not yet anyways. It's just another grind playground, that's it.
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I guess its a little premature for me to declare it a failure yet. I heard there is a bug that causes procs to activate on yourself so I am going to hold out on doing anything combat related until its fixed. All I have done since S8 launch is just do Spin the Wheel and a few doff missions before logging.
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That depends if you completed the Dilithum Mine. The two fleets I'm at, just recently completed Tier 2, which is only like 1/2 of the discount. And it's not enough, especially cutting down that insane 1million Dilithium uipgrade projects (which is now like 950000).
Exactly they want us to, but my fleet will not. We refuse to spend real money for bad content. And we have been burnt out on grinding before S8 rolled out, S8 is just a kick in the groin. All we need is someone act as Shang Tsung and say "Finish him!" to deliver the impact.
http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=9900&from=1325372400000&to=End+Time
first huge spike was the F2P launch, next huge Spike was LoR...
and with S8 the numbers are going up again slightly, it is too early to tell how big this spike will be (lets give it a week or two) but so far ... lets zoom in a little on the last few days
http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=9900&from=1377986400000&to=End+Time
i see there is a clear increase from a 3000 average over the last week more towards 4000
so i'd say... roughly 25% increase in Playerbase numbers so far.
Of course there are more players than just Steam, but its a good indication of what is going on percentage wise.
Personally, for a huge Season update, i have not seen everything so far, but this feels rather lackluster so far.
What i really don't get is why Cryptic keeps insisting on creating more of these "Adventure Zones" and Reputation and Fleet Systems... neither Defera, Nukara or New Romulus were really that awesome, granted they are getting better at doing those things, but why keep polishing something that the players don't want anyway?
We want new weekly FE Series, where are those Foundry improvements from Neverwinter... that are being talked about for 2 years now?
The DOff System is stagnating since Heretic left, anything PvP or Exploration would be very welcome too.... nope more Reputation Stuff... more Fleet grind... that i don't even need to participate in because my fleet has the stuff filled while i don't even bother to log in anymore.
The PvE content is so easy mode that i don't need the power creep from the Reputation System anyway and PvP is so dead they could just delete it, i wouldn't notice.
But maybe i'm just burned out after 6000 hrs playtime over 4 years and 11 Characters... i will force myself to log in a few more times to explore a bit more of the new content. But i don't see me getting back into grind mode again.
That is pretty much my first impression so far.
Here's a TLDR summary of the above that's simpler:
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
We haven't even gotten to Tier 2 on the Dilithium Mine, and I'm seeing that all we need to donate Dilithium-wise is a little over 10k, though like I said, I suspect the price'll go up, which is not a good idea IMO.
The thing I have to remember is to not become so attached to things like starbases and other holdings with all the games i've played that are like ghost towns with full this and that but otherwise useless to me now heh. They are nothing more to what is known by many to be the flavor of the month and what pays the bills for cryptic.
So I actually went back and read every single reply. If anybody has refuted even one point I made in my two initial posts, I haven't seen it. And the only counterpoint anybody has made is "Well the visuals are lovely", to which I agree. But nice graphics and beautiful landscapes are not enough to satisfy me. Even an aesthete will get bored of staring at "Starry Night" for 3 hours every day for a year. I must conclude that people haven't put forth any other compelling counter-arguments because they can't, because there are none.
Please, somebody refute these:
- Nothing players do actually makes a difference to territory control or brings our side closer to destroying all the Omega particles.
- There is no plot being advanced.
- There is no thinking of a solution or negotiating for a solution, there's only a firing solution.
- Shoot to get rewards and nothing else.
- Once you're done shooting the big dumb objects, go back and shoot the exact same big dumb objects again for another reward. That's all there is to do.
A cutscene of a diplomatic delegation to the Voth being wiped out would have been nice. Hell, we actually had missions on the Undine front to open diplomatic relations with them. There was a time when Cryptic at least paid lip service to the idea that the Federation is not a gang of intergalactic criminals. A few little extras could have at least justified the sloppy lack of storytelling. I could have forgiven the whole damn season if they had put in that tiny bit of effort.
And so many people who disagree with my argument have either called me a whiner or a Cryptic hater or said they just love the new expansion, so why don't I? To that I say: some people love movies produced by, directed by, and starring the Wayans brothers, but that doesn't make those movies good.
You said you'd do it without special grinding, but that is special grinding. It takes away from what you'd have been doing those two hours.
Some of us prefer Ninjak to Turok.
At 46, I consider eye candy to be icing on the cake.
Problem is, Season 8 is just a thin layer of icing. On nothing. Not one crumb of cake. And I don't care how great the icing is, without the cake it lacks severely.
Lots of eye candy, no substance, no story, no plot- just more of James T's infamous line from Star Trekkin': "We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill...we come in peace, shoot to kill, men!"
Voyager episode: Prime Factors
KIM: I can't believe they're not going to help us. Some kind of hospitality.
TORRES: Forty thousand light years. Even if that's as far as we could go, it would still knock about four decades off our trip.
CHAKOTAY: And the possibility exists that we could reconfigure the matrix at that point to take us another thirty thousand light years, right into Federation space.
TUVOK: Since they've already said no, this kind of thinking is only going to make you feel worse.
JANEWAY: It's the first time we've been on the other side of the fence.
PARIS: What fence?
JANEWAY: The one that's made of binding principles. We have our own set of rules, which includes the Prime Directive. How many times have we been in the position of refusing to interfere when some kind of disaster threatened an alien culture. It's all very well to say we do it on the basis of an enlightened principle, but how does that feel to the aliens? I'm sure many of them think the Prime Directive is a lousy idea.
PARIS: Even we think so sometimes.
CHAKOTAY: I know of many times when Starfleet personnel have decided on strong ethical grounds to ignore it.
KIM: Still, there's a reason why it's Starfleet's General order number one. On the whole, it does a lot more good than harm.
MMOs have to go with repeatable content or else no one would play. You'd log on, play a mission or featured episode and then what? How often do you go back and play old missions for no reason? (The lobi even right now, however, is awesome, and should definitely return) It's unreasonable to expect new voice-acted, detailed story missions to keep people logging on and playing.
The "grind" is what it is: a reason to keep playing. I don't mind it because I like my ship and I like the combat. And there's enough vareity now that I don't have to run Borg STFs all day. I certainly hope they'll continue to release story missions--Temporal Ambassador and Sphere of Influence were both well done--but you've got to be honest and say that repeatable content is the model for getting people to continue to play. It kept Diablo II alive for more than a decade . . . .
If only people would actually ROLEPLAY in a roleplaying game, the demand for new dev-created content would not be so high, but I know that's too much to ask.
Then why are you on a thread about it? Obviously it has spoilers..doh!
Just making a toon and doing what you will IS Roleplaying. You are "Filling the role" in which you want that character to be or do. It dosent matter if you are just after PvP or you have intricate RP groups setup to act out ST in a fantasy world. Its "Roleplaying" either way you look at it.
I dont have to RP in a Fantasy concept to enjoy a RPG game.
The Battle Zone it's great, everything it's nicely done, buth the Voth, they are super easy. I can capture territories by my own, seriously. And when you have a full party it's something like "press fire to win".
The queue missiones are okay.
The Art, oh the Art!, it's great!.
And the new rep, i don't mind grinding a new one, but give me a reason to do it!. I mean i can do all the End Game content with just the Omega rep, there's no need in doing the other ones, improve PvP at least so i can take advantage with all the reps, but for the moment there's no need to grind them all to do just PvE, it's too easy.
For me this Season it's not a failure, but neither it's a success, more like a regular one.
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Also Season 8 is a train wreck in slow motion. GG Devs.
- Judge Aaron Satie
On the flip side, it's their JOB to put out a quality product. Granted it's new and interesting, but there's no meat to the bones.
I think that's the main issue for so many. It's got the ooo and ahhh factor then it's like "that's it?'
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Gameplay=terrible
Without a paycheck.
It's Cryptic's job to create a quality product that people like to play, that generates revenue. It's prudent as part of their job to take player feedback in order to see what players like and enjoy, and what they do not like and enjoy. And to take constructive feedback under consideration.
It's our job to provide constructive feedback on the forums, but many simply post negative feedback without A) Offering viable solutions or alternatives (I.E. Many people post unrealistic or unrational alternatives or solutions with respect to the game)
Cryptic does read the feedback, and I'd like to think they pay more attention to constructive feedback made by an objective perspective, and not blatant whining. It's careful to consider then, that all feedback (whether positive or negative) does dictate the course the game goes into. Which affects us all.
We decide the course the game goes into -- and Season 8 is one part artistic license by Cryptic, and one part feedback from the players.
I think one part people do have legitimate complaints about, but it's important to understand that many things people complain about in STO are the result of being one of many things people complained about STO in the past. And we get the game "we" ask for.
You know what? I also could be spending entire days with my family, but I gotta' do this thing....you know, go to work, earn some money...
Oh wait, you thought that the devs. are doing this because they're milionaires bored to death with nothing better to do in their free time?
I'm not saying the devs. aren't nice and all, cause they're cool, but at the end of the day making this game is their job. No Season 8 - no content. No content - no players. No players - no revenue. No revenue - no job.
Then they could spend all the time in the world with their families, but are probably gonna' spend it worrying how to support their families without a job.
1. No story
2. No difficulty
3. Missions are slow paced and enemies are not threatening
4. Another pointless rep grid without cool missions to make it more palatable
5. Plot is completely nonsensical ... Omega particle ... Voth ... sphere ... This is the season of Voyager because they threw in random elements.
6. Another amazingly agonizing fleet holding for all those fleets struggling to progress
7. Voth ... Who make a single appearance in Voyager ... are the star attraction
8. Dinos with lasers on their heads
9. Domesticated T'rex battling Klinks and Feds with battleths (sp)
I could go on and on ...
- Judge Aaron Satie
See, that's a step in the right direction when it comes to feedback.
I haven't seen anything else that remotely resembles a story, but that is from browsing the forums, not playing the content. If anyone could direct me to the parts of season 8 besides the random new enemies to kill in some kind of storyless adventure zone of rinse and repeat, then I'll be happy to play that content.
Something like a no win scenario or scanning rocks on New Romulus sparks zero interest in me. But, yeah, I'm playing a mmo simply because it's star trek when I hate everything about mmos, or at least this one, since I don't play any others.
I don't care about buckets. I don't really care about any amazing artwork done to make random killing fun. So, if anyone can direct me to the parts of season 8 that I might enjoy, then please share. I'm just looking for an actual story.
Could not agree more with the sentiments expressed here. Grinds and repetitive gameplay are okay but I need some story carrot to go along with the grind stick.
All grind and no play make Homer go something something ...
- Judge Aaron Satie
I'd agree with this, Doesn't really feel like i'm fighting a war with the voth, its more like Pest control, The combat isn't bad, its just that it could be a little more of a challenge in my opinion
( or is there an elite version of the instance i don't know of?)
Wait a second, this looks like a thought out and eloquent response, What are you doing on a Forum? Its reserved solely for Complaints and unreasonable requests!
wasn't there meant to be a foundry season?
To be honest if it wasn't for the foundry missions I would have stopped playing a long time ago. I dunno why they just invest in it more? Hell even if they put in blank maps that are just rooms and corridors instead of the maps that were taken from other missions would be a huge step forward!
For me I'm an STF man. The Breach is very cool. (I like the fact beam weapons are the most effective weapon in this stf!) Elachi alert I like (but is a bit simple and lacks variation)
The graphics are fantastic, but its so empty so far I haven seen many people to do the persistent battle zones, I presume that's more to do with time zones.
The new lock box and Voth reputation is worthless to me. Nothing of value there to hold my interest.
The sponsorship tokens, ace idea. I can really catch up with my toons now.
However my opinion is my own.
I was literally done with the "season" mission inside of an hour. It's not season worthy, not yet anyways. It's just another grind playground, that's it.
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