It's about the Voth, same as with the Elachi, a species that only appeared once during one episode in the whole Star Trek series. Secondary, they weren't that violent, only doctrinated and willing to defend their ideas.
OK, if I have to stay here for a while, your cieling ... looks idious.:D
It's about the Voth, same as with the Elachi, a species that only appeared once during one episode in the whole Star Trek series. Secondary, they weren't that violent, only doctrinated and willing to defend their ideas.
Thank you. For a while I thought I was the only one making this argument.
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To be honest if it wasn't for the foundry missions I would have stopped playing a long time ago. I dunno why they just invest in it more? Hell even if they put in blank maps that are just rooms and corridors instead of the maps that were taken from other missions would be a huge step forward!
It's a system. When Cryptic puts in a system, it's half-baked and instantly abandoned for the next great half-baked system.
They've been talking about Foundry improvements for a long time. A very long time. It's about 3 years into Beta. A few things here and there, but the Foundry has pretty much been abandoned.
It's still beta. And it's pretty telling that the Foundry stuff feels more like Star Trek when the authors are literally handicapped by a toolset that makes them create maps that look like DOOM, because we can't get decent props, since the art team is making some big new shiny for some new system.
It will be no different in S9. The devs seem most excited right now to port over some NW system features for the Foundry that barely work, rather than maybe giving authors a floor to go with a specific wall.
It doesn't match the "people can't play at all" issue because the game was not utterly packed when I played it. It looked like just another regular day in STO, outside the Dyson sphere as well as inside it. I'd say people couldn't connect due to some server side problem that has nothing to do with server load.
No honestly the issue is that we can't even get into the game period and they know its graphics related, so you can imagine how wide spread that might be as the game is a graphics hog... Also judging by the posts and imagining that many didn't post the problem there were alot of regular players locked out by this issue. Hopefully we can all get in soon... but from what I am hearing it might not be that big of a miss... thanks for the heads up!
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1. No story
2. No difficulty
3. Missions are slow paced and enemies are not threatening
4. Another pointless rep grid without cool missions to make it more palatable
5. Plot is completely nonsensical ... Omega particle ... Voth ... sphere ... This is the season of Voyager because they threw in random elements.
6. Another amazingly agonizing fleet holding for all those fleets struggling to progress
7. Voth ... Who make a single appearance in Voyager ... are the star attraction
8. Dinos with lasers on their heads
9. Domesticated T'rex battling Klinks and Feds with battleths (sp)
It's Cryptic's job to create a quality product that people like to play, that generates revenue. It's prudent as part of their job to take player feedback in order to see what players like and enjoy, and what they do not like and enjoy. And to take constructive feedback under consideration.
It's our job to provide constructive feedback on the forums, but many simply post negative feedback without A) Offering viable solutions or alternatives (I.E. Many people post unrealistic or unrational alternatives or solutions with respect to the game) Being objective and recognizing there's some give and take on both sides (the customer and business, no the customer is not always right and that hasn't been the case for decades in any business).
Cryptic does read the feedback, and I'd like to think they pay more attention to constructive feedback made by an objective perspective, and not blatant whining. It's careful to consider then, that all feedback (whether positive or negative) does dictate the course the game goes into. Which affects us all.
We decide the course the game goes into -- and Season 8 is one part artistic license by Cryptic, and one part feedback from the players.
I think one part people do have legitimate complaints about, but it's important to understand that many things people complain about in STO are the result of being one of many things people complained about STO in the past. And we get the game "we" ask for.
Playing Devil's Advocate, Battlezone was indeed them responding to our feedback regarding Territory control. Unfortunately, it's not Territory Control but a PvE version of Cap and Hold. That's why it's not going to have staying power, because it's the same thing over and over again. In short, they took the easy way and expected it to pay off.
What they really needed to do is make an actual battle front that actually moved and have events change depending on the situation of the front line. And not making it "rat ear" missions to make the war front move. And could easily see the storyline change depending on situation as well.
This season exists in this manner because of us. A while back they did a poll about what show we wanted content from, we voted voyager. the undine and the borg were in the game allready as well as the hirogen.......they didnt have many bad guys left. The voth have the potential to be big bad guys. The devs will buff them up then people will be complaining that they are too hard.
This season exists in this manner because of us. A while back they did a poll about what show we wanted content from, we voted voyager. the undine and the borg were in the game allready as well as the hirogen.......they didnt have many bad guys left. The voth have the potential to be big bad guys. The devs will buff them up then people will be complaining that they are too hard.
Voyager did win, but the follow up race poll was won by the Krenim and not the Voth.
Voyager did win, but the follow up race poll was won by the Krenim and not the Voth.
How bout we finally get the frakking Iconian war going. I mean jesus been hiding in the backround for how long now?
Enough's enough. Bring the war!
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The space adventure zones are just capture the flag isn't it?
pretty much this.
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I wouldn't say the players asked for this.. almost none of it
Were people dying to fight the Voth? No
Was the omega particle on any radar? Definitely not
A new dyson sphere that is magically in the delta quadrant because .. they said it was?
A new holding just like all the other ones? Definitely not
A new rep because WE LOVE TO GRIND? NO
People were asking for new useful ship interiors, which we didn't get
People were asking for real changes to PvP, which didn't happen
People were asking for crafting.. nothing
People were asking for exploration, nope, not even in a dyson sphere
People wanted territory control for pvp, got a grindy easy peasy pve version that can be soloed 95% of the time.
Major long term bugs fixed? Not done
People wanted challenging content? None to be found
People want a fix to the insanity of power creep ruining the game. We got even more power creep.
Not sure how cryptic thinks it can sustain building a game on a broken foundation, but they seem to insist on trying. Its not working
Perhaps it's because I am a lot older than most of you kids (49), but just the thrill of being inside a Dyson Sphere and taking in the awesome visualisation of what this place may actually look like was thrill enough for me.
So many younger people nowadays seem to have a very short appreciation span, I see it with my own kids, show them something new or give them a new toy and they are bored with it within minutes or at most a few hours and then want the next shiny. When I was a kid I had to wait for Christmas or birthdays to get that new toy experience. This meant that I had to use my imagination with the toys I had, it's a valuable life skill and allows you to appreciate the details that are all around you which so many younger people simply do not even see.
Season 8 has so many missions, so many tremendous artworks to take in, new areas for fleets, new weapons and systems to learn about, and a whole race of new (to STO) aliens to discover and conquer (at least at the moment, hoping for a relationship with them later) that a few hours is barely enough time to get more than just the flavour of it.
There are a huge amount of people whining on the forums, well nothing new there of course, but a large number of people, very creative people, have spent a lot of time building this entire adventure zone for us to explore and enjoy, it must be pretty demoralising for them to read the negative comments on this forum.
As an old dude I offer some advice, slow down, look around, try to visualise yourself actually here, explore and read everything before you even begin to fight. If you rush through it all in a few hours then all you have to look forward to is Season 9, which no doubt will generate plenty more whining threads.
I agree so whole heartedly...and if this were facebook... i would give you a like lol!
that being said people just look at this whole game its amazing even with bugs and patches and problems, just the art of creating this game is worthy of praise... if it failed to satisfy some appetites that is always the same world over. I haven't even been able to get into see what anyone is talking about and even though that is so frustrating I think its incredible the imaginations that created new content.... it is big and glorious to accomplish that anyone not satisfied ok i get it but back up and realize how huge this really is in a broader perspective of things!
Sure maybe I can say this because like this op i'm a little older... and besides also I grew up watching TOS on an 18inch black and white set when the weather didn't move the antenae out of line. you can't imagine how we would have laughed to think anyone would ever create something like this game! To us back then it was about as likely to happen as for Gorn to land on earth and attack!
So try to see a new perspective and sharpen the imagination its our only hope for the future!
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This season exists in this manner because of us. A while back they did a poll about what show we wanted content from, we voted voyager. the undine and the borg were in the game allready as well as the hirogen.......they didnt have many bad guys left. The voth have the potential to be big bad guys. The devs will buff them up then people will be complaining that they are too hard.
Actually, people already ARE complaining that they're too hard. :P
KIM: Still, there's a reason why it's Starfleet's General order number one. On the whole, it does a lot more good than harm.
That's not proof, that's a character's opinion with no evidence backing it. He cites no actual examples. (In fairness, neither does Chakotay, but he doesn't have to because instances of his point actually happened on screen.) Characters are eminently fallible. Show me an on-screen example of the Prime Directive actually doing something good instead of being used as an excuse.
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I would log in to try it out but, "There are too many users online. Please try again later."
Lol - wut?
:rolleyes:
There's a cure for that(LTS). I guess that despite all the peeps whining and complaining, this season is as popular as the devs were hoping it'd be. :P
The sad, but cold hard truth is that sitting in the Star Citizen forums is more entertaining than anything Cryptic has don since the LOR Launch. "Sphere of Influence" had some interesting bits with the gateway hub room I'll give it that, but over all the rest of it just turned Worf into a whining *****, and very much felt like a recycled Elachi map.
Let's face it, The engine they use can barely handle a 20v20 map let alone do a convincing Dyson's sphere, some dev has fond memories of watch/playing with their "Dinoriders" toys so they added them to the game, and added the Voth that no one really cares about either way.
Having a poll on season 8 content blatantly contradicts their "we have the storyline all laid out seasons in advance..." constant rhetoric and as others have said it's just more of the same old **** people don't even like in the first place.
Hell just from following the dev blogs there wasn't a single thing from this season that really stood out as interesting or must play to the point that I forgot season 8 was even releasing until I saw it on Facebook. Hell they didn't even bother insulting us by saying our feedback matters by having a test weekend this release.
Cryptic proved they don't care about player feedback with all the outcry from players ovr the way they handled adding the Romulan "faction" to the game and they've proved it more everyday with season 8.
Luckily there are games on the horizon where the devs actually ask for and use player feedback because the catch all draw of the name "Star Trek" isn't working anymore as they continue to get further away from what Star Trek is and more disconnected from the players.
I have to agree with most of you that Season 8 lacks in story. "Sphere of Influence" was not enough for this leap in the story. Two or three missions about what happened from then until would have helped the transition. Just throwing us into "Jurassic Park" to fight for loot isn't really my cup of tea. Don't get me wrong. I like running Defera, helping the Deferi fight the Borg. And I do like that there is such a zone, but I think it could have been implemented differently. Personally, I would have liked the zone to be dark like the subspace place we visited in "Sphere of Influence".
As for "Star Wars" Luke's run on the Voth Star...yup...you heard me...that is somewhat a fun mission, but it really feels more like "The Vault Shuttle". If you are going to rip off that run from "Star Wars", you should have some fighters coming at us like in the Elachi atmosphere run, maybe added some suspense.
If there is one thing I truly like out of Season 8, it is that, when you are at the Command Spire, you can make the flags move when you touch them. I find that to be cool and hope we see more of that.
A lot of people have voiced what I feel towards Season 8, but I wanted to add those to the comments. I will say that I am still looking for "Barney". I do wish I could have my "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" toys to play with against the Voth, as well as have Dinobot from "Beast Wars" tag along with me. Oh well...
Is Season 8 a failure?
It's not as successful as Season 7, but time will tell if it breaks even.
Honestly, I don't have an issue with a more "militaristic" Starfleet. In fact, in light of the various wars that have taken place during the TNG-DS9 time frame, I would expect the Federation to realize that the rest of galaxy doesn't think like them and take the appropriate steps (not abandon their core principles, but be better prepared). But something like this needs to fit in with the story, which brings me to...
My main issue is, as Stan Marsh put it, there seems to be a big gap in information. We go from hinting at Voth involvement with the Iconians and those subspace creatures from "Schisms" to being in a flat out war over Omega Particles in a Dyson Sphere. Technically, we all knew about the sphere but nothing was really hinted in Sphere of Influence that we were inside one (one unfamiliar with the development could just assume we were in that subspace realm seen in "Schisms").
Even though I would expect a more miltaristic Starfleet, I would expect some diplomacy. Truth be told, the Federation could just show the Voth some fossils from Earth and probably end the whole war over night, declare the Voth to be long lost cousins, and hold hands and sing kumbaya.
And for the love of all things sacred, please end the Klingon-Federation War. The Undine were exposed, the Borg are invading left and right, the poor attempt at getting the Jem'Hadar into game (the True Way) were just never convincing, and we have now what amounts to the reformation of the Dominion War's Federation Alliance. At this point, keeping that war going is just demonstrating Cryptic's apathy.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
That's not proof, that's a character's opinion with no evidence backing it. He cites no actual examples. (In fairness, neither does Chakotay, but he doesn't have to because instances of his point actually happened on screen.) Characters are eminently fallible. Show me an on-screen example of the Prime Directive actually doing something good instead of being used as an excuse.
I suppose this is a bad way of looking at it, but TOS has a classic example.
Let's start with Bread and Circuses. Someone uses advanced technology to take over a "primitive" planet.
Sigma Iotia was a case of accidental cultural contamination so severe that the people of the planet took on a new identity.
Part of the purpose of the Prime Directive is to prevent the Federation from abusing less advanced civilizations. Truthfully.... reigning in expansionism is pretty much the only productive use it's been seen to have.
Perhaps it's because I am a lot older than most of you kids (49), but just the thrill of being inside a Dyson Sphere and taking in the awesome visualisation of what this place may actually look like was thrill enough for me.
So many younger people nowadays seem to have a very short appreciation span, I see it with my own kids, show them something new or give them a new toy and they are bored with it within minutes or at most a few hours and then want the next shiny. When I was a kid I had to wait for Christmas or birthdays to get that new toy experience. This meant that I had to use my imagination with the toys I had, it's a valuable life skill and allows you to appreciate the details that are all around you which so many younger people simply do not even see.
Season 8 has so many missions, so many tremendous artworks to take in, new areas for fleets, new weapons and systems to learn about, and a whole race of new (to STO) aliens to discover and conquer (at least at the moment, hoping for a relationship with them later) that a few hours is barely enough time to get more than just the flavour of it.
There are a huge amount of people whining on the forums, well nothing new there of course, but a large number of people, very creative people, have spent a lot of time building this entire adventure zone for us to explore and enjoy, it must be pretty demoralising for them to read the negative comments on this forum.
As an old dude I offer some advice, slow down, look around, try to visualise yourself actually here, explore and read everything before you even begin to fight. If you rush through it all in a few hours then all you have to look forward to is Season 9, which no doubt will generate plenty more whining threads.
I hear ya man. I guess i'm old too cause I get a kick out of playing the game in general. I guess when you've played atari when you're a kid, these online games almost seem like witchcraft:)
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What happened to the diplomatic option? Have any peace delegations tried to open up talks with the Voth and say "please stop harvesting the particle that could ruin everything"? But no. The Federation is all about "Shoot first, don't even bother asking questions". Because the guys making the decisions at Cryptic know that "kill everything" is what sells, except that Trek is about the opposite of "kill everything".
How arrogant is the Federation to go to the other side of the galaxy to impose its will on another sovereign power while having such limited knowledge of what we're dealing with? Maybe the Voth have millions of years of experience with harvesting and using Omega particles? They can build ships the size of small moons. They take centuries to perfect technology before using it. They don't take crazy risks. So maybe they know what the hell they're doing.
Maybe we should ask them! They might be harvesting Omega to fight the Iconians. Maybe if Cryptic thought of creating gameplay other than "fly around and shoot the big dumb object and get a reward", this would feel like Star Trek and not "Generic space action MMO: now with space T-Rexes!".
Yeah sure................ :rolleyes: this coming from the most Militaristic race in the quadrant and i'm not talking about Romulans...... not anymore that is.
That's not proof, that's a character's opinion with no evidence backing it. He cites no actual examples. (In fairness, neither does Chakotay, but he doesn't have to because instances of his point actually happened on screen.) Characters are eminently fallible. Show me an on-screen example of the Prime Directive actually doing something good instead of being used as an excuse.
It's proof that what I said was real. It's not proof that the Prime Directive is this or that, simply that there are those in Starfleet who agree that despite the fact a civilization has to get wiped out every once in a while, overall the non-interference clause has done more good than harm.
It's proof that it's an opinion shared by a few characters on the show. It's not proof that their opinions are right or wrong, simply that they hold those opinions.
My original text was: But they even said so in Voyager on-screen that the Prime Directive has done more good than bad. That's not to say it's perfect. But in the whole grand scheme of probability and calculated risks... obedience to the Prime Directive wins out.
I admit that 'they' was an extremely vague and unspecific number of people. But given that it was held onto by Picard and Archer (who said that despite the fact the Prime Directive doesn't exist yet, he had to make sure he wasn't playing God with the new life and civilizations he was trying to discover), I think it's safe to assume that the Prime Directive is popular enough with morally ethical characters in Starfleet as to be accepted as not perfect -- but "on the whole" has done more good than harm.
To quote Picard: "The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous."
You save a pre-warp civilization which has a naturally self-destructive or warlike tendency, and you end up playing God. Starfleet isn't about playing God. Then that species goes on to meet the rest of the galaxy, but is still violent and warlike. Now you've just inadvertantly given the galaxy another headache in the form of a warlike species.
Or in another case, a war between the Klingons and Romulans. Starfleet has to watch helplessly by because it's an 'internal affair' of another species. You help one side or the other, and you've just made another enemy. And who are you to decide which side is right or wrong when it's not your battle to fight?
The Prime Directive is often bent or broken, and I have no problem admitting that it's an incredibly malleable plot device for Star Trek. But I don't think it's a dogma that should be unquestioned, just obeyed more often than not.
You guys realize there is a reason that the battlezones, both ship and ground have soloable enemies right?
The ground Zone is CAPTUREAND HOLD. All three sections need to be held to start the end part which causes the zone to reset. So 3 sections, 5 players per with 8 subsections.
So you have 15 people placed into 3 sections, subseqeuntly taking over and then running back to subsections to keep them in "good guy" control. Then those 5 players are supposed to converge on the V-Rex, with 3-4 fighting the V-Rex and 1-2 Keeping the scientists off of the Omega unit. Easy? yes, Soloable? yes. Made for One person to be able to do alone? no. You cannot take over 24 subsections and hold them alone, and then fight three V-Rex's ine different sections in the time given. A single person cannot even take a single section completely alone, i have gotten to 7 out of the 8 by myself. But couldn't get the eigth due to constantly running to stop the
Voth from taking something back.
Ship areas are the same, you have HUGE areas to traverse.
Take a step back and really look at this thing they gave us. Its PvE sure. But it requires Tactics and teamwork. You cannot just facerool it unless there is a group working towards a goal. THATS the point, group with a goal.
Try finding all the people in your section and making a team......
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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Well as most members have said everything my pennys worth is just a simple, FAIL!!!!! FAIL!!!! FAIL!!!!! Infact it's nothing but a rushed up peice of old TRIBBLE that had bits taken from every cheap TRIBBLE game that failed, Other franchises ( yea you all know what i mean) Man please the list can just go on and on. You should all be sacked at Cryptic and i really mean this and no wonder Paramount and the other bigwigs who run Star Trek won't let you touch anything that's really important with the Star Trek Universe because they just know you will TRIBBLE it all up. Infact i don't give this game another 2 years before it gets scrapped. It has been nothing but disapointment after disapointment and well to be quite frank it's BULL and defo not Star Trek in the slightest. Boys and girls at Cryptic you should be ashamed of yourselfs as you have become a laughing stock to the real Star Trek community that keeps this game alive!!! Go find a dark room and do one for such a sad sorry season with a sad sorry Voth. You have gone and killed the game with total nonsense!!! Morons!!!!! :eek: It's a game and i want dinosaurs with lazers on there heads!!! Man get a life!!! That will go down in history as one of the most dumbest things ever said and done with Star Trek i mean how the hell do you sleep at night PMSL Well i've had my rant but i still feel disapointed and it still doesnt change the fact that you killed season 8 and are defo killing STO with TRIBBLE!!!
Well as most members have said everything my pennys worth is just a simple, FAIL!!!!! FAIL!!!! FAIL!!!!! Infact it's nothing but a rushed up peice of old TRIBBLE that had bits taken from every cheap TRIBBLE game that failed, Other franchises ( yea you all know what i mean) Man please the list can just go on and on. You should all be sacked at Cryptic and i really mean this and no wonder Paramount and the other bigwigs who run Star Trek won't let you touch anything that's really important with the Star Trek Universe because they just know you will TRIBBLE it all up. Infact i don't give this game another 2 years before it gets scrapped. It has been nothing but disapointment after disapointment and well to be quite frank it's BULL and defo not Star Trek in the slightest. Boys and girls at Cryptic you should be ashamed of yourselfs as you have become a laughing stock to the real Star Trek community that keeps this game alive!!! Go find a dark room and do one for such a sad sorry season with a sad sorry Voth. You have gone and killed the game with total nonsense!!! Morons!!!!! :eek: It's a game and i want dinosaurs with lazers on there heads!!! Man get a life!!! That will go down in history as one of the most dumbest things ever said and done with Star Trek i mean how the hell do you sleep at night PMSL Well i've had my rant but i still feel disapointed and it still doesnt change the fact that you killed season 8 and are defo killing STO with TRIBBLE!!!
This is bad. Your opinion is bad. Your typing is bad. You should feel bad.
Take the time to consider the life choices that led to you regurgitating this awful babbling and go do something else.
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It's about the Voth, same as with the Elachi, a species that only appeared once during one episode in the whole Star Trek series. Secondary, they weren't that violent, only doctrinated and willing to defend their ideas.
Thank you. For a while I thought I was the only one making this argument.
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It's a system. When Cryptic puts in a system, it's half-baked and instantly abandoned for the next great half-baked system.
They've been talking about Foundry improvements for a long time. A very long time. It's about 3 years into Beta. A few things here and there, but the Foundry has pretty much been abandoned.
It's still beta. And it's pretty telling that the Foundry stuff feels more like Star Trek when the authors are literally handicapped by a toolset that makes them create maps that look like DOOM, because we can't get decent props, since the art team is making some big new shiny for some new system.
It will be no different in S9. The devs seem most excited right now to port over some NW system features for the Foundry that barely work, rather than maybe giving authors a floor to go with a specific wall.
No honestly the issue is that we can't even get into the game period and they know its graphics related, so you can imagine how wide spread that might be as the game is a graphics hog... Also judging by the posts and imagining that many didn't post the problem there were alot of regular players locked out by this issue. Hopefully we can all get in soon... but from what I am hearing it might not be that big of a miss... thanks for the heads up!
/nods
Especially #6
Playing Devil's Advocate, Battlezone was indeed them responding to our feedback regarding Territory control. Unfortunately, it's not Territory Control but a PvE version of Cap and Hold. That's why it's not going to have staying power, because it's the same thing over and over again. In short, they took the easy way and expected it to pay off.
What they really needed to do is make an actual battle front that actually moved and have events change depending on the situation of the front line. And not making it "rat ear" missions to make the war front move. And could easily see the storyline change depending on situation as well.
Voyager did win, but the follow up race poll was won by the Krenim and not the Voth.
How bout we finally get the frakking Iconian war going. I mean jesus been hiding in the backround for how long now?
Enough's enough. Bring the war!
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pretty much this.
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Were people dying to fight the Voth? No
Was the omega particle on any radar? Definitely not
A new dyson sphere that is magically in the delta quadrant because .. they said it was?
A new holding just like all the other ones? Definitely not
A new rep because WE LOVE TO GRIND? NO
People were asking for new useful ship interiors, which we didn't get
People were asking for real changes to PvP, which didn't happen
People were asking for crafting.. nothing
People were asking for exploration, nope, not even in a dyson sphere
People wanted territory control for pvp, got a grindy easy peasy pve version that can be soloed 95% of the time.
Major long term bugs fixed? Not done
People wanted challenging content? None to be found
People want a fix to the insanity of power creep ruining the game. We got even more power creep.
Not sure how cryptic thinks it can sustain building a game on a broken foundation, but they seem to insist on trying. Its not working
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I agree so whole heartedly...and if this were facebook... i would give you a like lol!
that being said people just look at this whole game its amazing even with bugs and patches and problems, just the art of creating this game is worthy of praise... if it failed to satisfy some appetites that is always the same world over. I haven't even been able to get into see what anyone is talking about and even though that is so frustrating I think its incredible the imaginations that created new content.... it is big and glorious to accomplish that anyone not satisfied ok i get it but back up and realize how huge this really is in a broader perspective of things!
Sure maybe I can say this because like this op i'm a little older... and besides also I grew up watching TOS on an 18inch black and white set when the weather didn't move the antenae out of line. you can't imagine how we would have laughed to think anyone would ever create something like this game! To us back then it was about as likely to happen as for Gorn to land on earth and attack!
So try to see a new perspective and sharpen the imagination its our only hope for the future!
My character Tsin'xing
Lol - wut?
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My character Tsin'xing
That's not proof, that's a character's opinion with no evidence backing it. He cites no actual examples. (In fairness, neither does Chakotay, but he doesn't have to because instances of his point actually happened on screen.) Characters are eminently fallible. Show me an on-screen example of the Prime Directive actually doing something good instead of being used as an excuse.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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My character Tsin'xing
Let's face it, The engine they use can barely handle a 20v20 map let alone do a convincing Dyson's sphere, some dev has fond memories of watch/playing with their "Dinoriders" toys so they added them to the game, and added the Voth that no one really cares about either way.
Having a poll on season 8 content blatantly contradicts their "we have the storyline all laid out seasons in advance..." constant rhetoric and as others have said it's just more of the same old **** people don't even like in the first place.
Hell just from following the dev blogs there wasn't a single thing from this season that really stood out as interesting or must play to the point that I forgot season 8 was even releasing until I saw it on Facebook. Hell they didn't even bother insulting us by saying our feedback matters by having a test weekend this release.
Cryptic proved they don't care about player feedback with all the outcry from players ovr the way they handled adding the Romulan "faction" to the game and they've proved it more everyday with season 8.
Luckily there are games on the horizon where the devs actually ask for and use player feedback because the catch all draw of the name "Star Trek" isn't working anymore as they continue to get further away from what Star Trek is and more disconnected from the players.
As for "Star Wars" Luke's run on the Voth Star...yup...you heard me...that is somewhat a fun mission, but it really feels more like "The Vault Shuttle". If you are going to rip off that run from "Star Wars", you should have some fighters coming at us like in the Elachi atmosphere run, maybe added some suspense.
If there is one thing I truly like out of Season 8, it is that, when you are at the Command Spire, you can make the flags move when you touch them. I find that to be cool and hope we see more of that.
A lot of people have voiced what I feel towards Season 8, but I wanted to add those to the comments. I will say that I am still looking for "Barney". I do wish I could have my "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" toys to play with against the Voth, as well as have Dinobot from "Beast Wars" tag along with me. Oh well...
Is Season 8 a failure?
It's not as successful as Season 7, but time will tell if it breaks even.
My main issue is, as Stan Marsh put it, there seems to be a big gap in information. We go from hinting at Voth involvement with the Iconians and those subspace creatures from "Schisms" to being in a flat out war over Omega Particles in a Dyson Sphere. Technically, we all knew about the sphere but nothing was really hinted in Sphere of Influence that we were inside one (one unfamiliar with the development could just assume we were in that subspace realm seen in "Schisms").
Even though I would expect a more miltaristic Starfleet, I would expect some diplomacy. Truth be told, the Federation could just show the Voth some fossils from Earth and probably end the whole war over night, declare the Voth to be long lost cousins, and hold hands and sing kumbaya.
And for the love of all things sacred, please end the Klingon-Federation War. The Undine were exposed, the Borg are invading left and right, the poor attempt at getting the Jem'Hadar into game (the True Way) were just never convincing, and we have now what amounts to the reformation of the Dominion War's Federation Alliance. At this point, keeping that war going is just demonstrating Cryptic's apathy.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Let's start with Bread and Circuses. Someone uses advanced technology to take over a "primitive" planet.
Sigma Iotia was a case of accidental cultural contamination so severe that the people of the planet took on a new identity.
Landru enslaved a civilization because it could.
Part of the purpose of the Prime Directive is to prevent the Federation from abusing less advanced civilizations. Truthfully.... reigning in expansionism is pretty much the only productive use it's been seen to have.
My character Tsin'xing
I hear ya man. I guess i'm old too cause I get a kick out of playing the game in general. I guess when you've played atari when you're a kid, these online games almost seem like witchcraft:)
Federation Engineer
Captain of the U.S.S. Bayou La Batre
Yeah sure................ :rolleyes: this coming from the most Militaristic race in the quadrant and i'm not talking about Romulans...... not anymore that is.
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It's proof that what I said was real. It's not proof that the Prime Directive is this or that, simply that there are those in Starfleet who agree that despite the fact a civilization has to get wiped out every once in a while, overall the non-interference clause has done more good than harm.
It's proof that it's an opinion shared by a few characters on the show. It's not proof that their opinions are right or wrong, simply that they hold those opinions.
My original text was: But they even said so in Voyager on-screen that the Prime Directive has done more good than bad. That's not to say it's perfect. But in the whole grand scheme of probability and calculated risks... obedience to the Prime Directive wins out.
I admit that 'they' was an extremely vague and unspecific number of people. But given that it was held onto by Picard and Archer (who said that despite the fact the Prime Directive doesn't exist yet, he had to make sure he wasn't playing God with the new life and civilizations he was trying to discover), I think it's safe to assume that the Prime Directive is popular enough with morally ethical characters in Starfleet as to be accepted as not perfect -- but "on the whole" has done more good than harm.
To quote Picard: "The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous."
You save a pre-warp civilization which has a naturally self-destructive or warlike tendency, and you end up playing God. Starfleet isn't about playing God. Then that species goes on to meet the rest of the galaxy, but is still violent and warlike. Now you've just inadvertantly given the galaxy another headache in the form of a warlike species.
Or in another case, a war between the Klingons and Romulans. Starfleet has to watch helplessly by because it's an 'internal affair' of another species. You help one side or the other, and you've just made another enemy. And who are you to decide which side is right or wrong when it's not your battle to fight?
The Prime Directive is often bent or broken, and I have no problem admitting that it's an incredibly malleable plot device for Star Trek. But I don't think it's a dogma that should be unquestioned, just obeyed more often than not.
The ground Zone is CAPTURE AND HOLD. All three sections need to be held to start the end part which causes the zone to reset. So 3 sections, 5 players per with 8 subsections.
So you have 15 people placed into 3 sections, subseqeuntly taking over and then running back to subsections to keep them in "good guy" control. Then those 5 players are supposed to converge on the V-Rex, with 3-4 fighting the V-Rex and 1-2 Keeping the scientists off of the Omega unit. Easy? yes, Soloable? yes. Made for One person to be able to do alone? no. You cannot take over 24 subsections and hold them alone, and then fight three V-Rex's ine different sections in the time given. A single person cannot even take a single section completely alone, i have gotten to 7 out of the 8 by myself. But couldn't get the eigth due to constantly running to stop the
Voth from taking something back.
Ship areas are the same, you have HUGE areas to traverse.
Take a step back and really look at this thing they gave us. Its PvE sure. But it requires Tactics and teamwork. You cannot just facerool it unless there is a group working towards a goal. THATS the point, group with a goal.
Try finding all the people in your section and making a team......
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This is bad. Your opinion is bad. Your typing is bad. You should feel bad.
Take the time to consider the life choices that led to you regurgitating this awful babbling and go do something else.