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  • jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 573 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    After playing S8 for a couple of day's,i must say for me its a failure to Star Trek. The idea of Star Trek is pretty much gone from this game. Its like the JJ movies. The Federation has turn into a bunch of thugs. I carry a full ambassador rank yet i don't talk to anyone. The Voth are messing with something that can wipe everything out? They are more advanced than we are and non of our so called leader's want to ask why and wouldn't wipe everything out include them as well. And now I'M taking orders from some Romulan thug sub commander. And of course more grinding for marks. If anything this should TRIBBLE everyone off but i guess no one care's anymore because they are used to it. And Dino's are really stupid. This alliance with the Klingon's and romulan's is turning the federation into thugs. The only good thing i got out of this is the advanced Obelisk Carrier. I'M all done with S8 Back to foundry mission's which are more like Star Trek than this. Thank god for that. I bet they are already working on new marks for S9. Man i keep hoping that they will give me a reason to resub again.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    They were designed for fresh 50s.

    SO CLOSE! So, so close... you almost nailed it. Almost. Man, you came so ridiculously close... it was RIGHT THERE. You just barely grazed it! So freaking close! Omg!

    They were designed for 50s who at least know what the spacebar does, or at least have a really good chance of hitting the spacebar (because it's so big on the keyboard) while rolling their face up and down the keyboard because they like the sound the keys make when playing STO.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    SO CLOSE! So, so close... you almost nailed it. Almost. Man, you came so ridiculously close... it was RIGHT THERE. You just barely grazed it! So freaking close! Omg!

    They were designed for 50s who at least know what the spacebar does, or at least have a really good chance of hitting the spacebar (because it's so big on the keyboard) while rolling their face up and down the keyboard because they like the sound the keys make when playing STO.

    Ahh, my bad my bad. You're right. I blame it on lack of coffee. :P

    Speaking of that, I really should go get some more haha.
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  • radagast75radagast75 Member Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Why is the Federation so TRIBBLE?

    What happened to the diplomatic option? Have any peace delegations tried to open up talks with the Voth and say "please stop harvesting the particle that could ruin everything"? But no. The Federation is all about "Shoot first, don't even bother asking questions". Because the guys making the decisions at Cryptic know that "kill everything" is what sells, except that Trek is about the opposite of "kill everything".

    How arrogant is the Federation to go to the other side of the galaxy to impose its will on another sovereign power while having such limited knowledge of what we're dealing with? Maybe the Voth have millions of years of experience with harvesting and using Omega particles? They can build ships the size of small moons. They take centuries to perfect technology before using it. They don't take crazy risks. So maybe they know what the hell they're doing.

    Maybe we should ask them! They might be harvesting Omega to fight the Iconians. Maybe if Cryptic thought of creating gameplay other than "fly around and shoot the big dumb object and get a reward", this would feel like Star Trek and not "Generic space action MMO: now with space T-Rexes!".

    Indeed.

    There are countless Trek fans out there and propably some million would actually play true Trek game and make it feel much better than random f2p player who just plays for stats and reward plus market in top of that instead of actually playing in Star Trek universe.

    What is this plague with every MMORPG these days? They try to make them for everyone, compromising games/setting's heart in the process. Why do all the games have to try to be big?

    I mean EvE is one that is trying to keep in its core, it still is pretty much what it used to be. It has no big subscriber numbers but it has enough players to develop and stay alive and most importantly stay at least close to what it stands for.

    All the games and especially MMO's todays, should be done for certain group of players instead of "Fit all" games. Every game would have less players but with reaonable motgly sub and quality content they would stay alive and true to their core. All the MMO's of todays are just clones of each other in some degree.

    I wonder what Gene would think of this game :)
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I don't like shooting dino's - I feel sorry for them :(

    If a dinosaur had its way it'd murder you and everyone you've ever loved or cared about in your entire life.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    If a dinosaur had its way it'd murder you and everyone you've ever loved or cared about in your entire life.

    Isn't that a more accurate description of the shark in "Jaws IV" than a dino?;)
  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    Janeway made a 7-year cruise founded on bad decision making. I mean she spit on the Prime Directive to save the Ocampa in the pilot, at the cost of numerous crew members who died throughout the series.

    She isn't exactly someone I think Starfleet should be seeing as a role model. If it was Kirk he'd let the Ocampa die if it meant getting the men and women on board his ship home safely. For all the redshirt deaths in the series, Kirk always put the safety of his crew and ship above all else.

    Janeway was horribly written, like so many other characters on that show. And no, I don't think STO should have taken cues from Voyager in some ways, either. Because the horrible writing of Voyager has unfortunately found its way either directly or indirectly into STO.

    That said, I understand there are many Voyager fans out there (I like some of the episodes but like Star Trek in general, overall the series was bad), and they want their favorite slice of Star Trek in the game too. And I can respect that.
    You don't let an entire species die, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I spit on the prime directive every day, it's the stupidest thing ever.
  • dieutoutpuissantdieutoutpuissant Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I expected monsters to kick me hard in the butt, and i've been able to SOLO ground bosses with my boffs and a couple of starfleet npcs around me.

    I expected the voth ships to tear my hull apart (it's a science vessel, it's rather weak), and it's just a completely passive huge pile of HPs. Voth bosses don't even deserve that name. They're less challenging than a borg sphere.

    I'm still trying to figure out why the ground battlezone hasn't been made for pvp, that's the obvious way to go and yet they put nothing remotely challenging there, at most it's just annoying because they get in your way and aren't a threat at all.

    I miss the huge swarms of tough NPCs in terradome, seriously.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    You don't let an entire species die, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I spit on the prime directive every day, it's the stupidest thing ever.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Voyager is another example of proof.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    You don't let an entire species die, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
    *makes a coughing noise that sounds suspiciously like Insurrection*
    And I spit on the prime directive every day, it's the stupidest thing ever.
    No argument here. I prefer the Kirk-era interpretation that it only applies to non-warp-capable polities.

    For all its flaws, VOY gave us "Prime Factors", whose entire point is showing you what a prick you look like to the person on the receiving end of your "noble principles".
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Voyager is another example of proof.
    Excuse me? The prime directive is an excuse for moral laziness/weakness. They wanted to avoid making tough decisions that really pushed the bounds of acceptance. What about it makes you go to hell by breaking it?
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starswordc wrote: »
    *makes a coughing noise that sounds suspiciously like Insurrection*


    No argument here. I prefer the Kirk-era interpretation that it only applies to non-warp-capable polities.

    I personally prefer the later eras interpretation of it. Which is basically "Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong, and mind your own side of the fence."

    Noone likes a busybody.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    Excuse me? The prime directive is an excuse for moral laziness/weakness. They wanted to avoid making tough decisions that really pushed the bounds of acceptance. What about it makes you go to hell by breaking it?

    Morals based on Federation ideology. Pushing your own morals on another culture or civilization makes you look like a jerk. Doing it with military force backing it makes you something to be hated, shot at, etc.

    The Prime Directive is basically, "Mind your own business, because it's seldomly turned out well to be the judge, jury, and executioner of another culture, race, species, etc."
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  • captainednacaptainedna Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Why?

    Because I could actually log into the game and play it within the first hour of release. I don't consider a new expansion to be a success unless I actually have trouble logging in with all the other players stretching the server capacity to its limit. Like with LoR.

    " you can name the game that had no server problems when released new content then move to it." <<< I always say this to everyone who complain too much about servers when new content is added ...in any game.
  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    I personally prefer the later eras interpretation of it. Which is basically "Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong, and mind your own side of the fence."

    Noone likes a busybody.
    Hey, I'm all for not being the galaxy's policeman, but the penalty of death for saving a species from doom is f^&*ing absurd. Point in case: The TNG episode where picard about PMS'd when data saved a girl from dying and brought her on the enterprise, and then they acted like it was such a huge deal when they saved the planet from destruction. Who gives a TRIBBLE if they don't have warp capabilities, you don't let an entire planet die. That makes you worse than Hitler and Stalin and the like.
  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    Morals based on Federation ideology. Pushing your own morals on another culture or civilization makes you look like a jerk. Doing it with military force backing it makes you something to be hated, shot at, etc.

    The Prime Directive is basically, "Mind your own business, because it's seldomly turned out well to be the judge, jury, and executioner of another culture, race, species, etc."
    I'm not talking about morals, I'm talking about interference, like in the TNG episode afore mentioned, and into darkness when they saved the species on that weird planet, Nibiru iirc.
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I agree with anything the OP said.

    The only really good thing is the new (and surprisingly free) origin Bridge.
    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    I personally prefer the later eras interpretation of it. Which is basically "Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong, and mind your own side of the fence."

    Starfleet: Cool! Wormhole!
    Dominion: **** off.
    Starfleet: Let's keep exploring, I'm sure they won't mind.
    Dominion: *blows stuff up* I said, **** off.
    Starfleet: Maybe we can talk to them?
    Dominion: *blows more stuff up* **** the **** off.
    Starfleet: Maybe they're bluffing.
    Dominion: Okay, you TRIBBLE$holes asked for it.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • themariethemarie Member Posts: 1,055 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    I've been debating on sharing this bit of info for a while now, but since I'm seeing enough comments on how easy the Voth are now, I'll go ahead with it.

    *snip*

    Unfortunately, we weren't successful as you can see. The Voth are still too easy and aren't a challenge even on elite. So that's the core issue here IMO. The Voth were never designed for those of us at the end game. They were designed for fresh 50s.

    This explains why I can roll ships with my XI green gear. :rolleyes: I was hoping it was a simple case of "ok we misjudged the difficulty, adjustment forthcoming."

    After reading the blogs this is a HUGE disappointment as I was lead to believe this would be challenging new content with actual new mechanics.

    Instead we got hull-tanks with three-sided invincibility shields and a ground-zone that can be solo-played up to and past the boss-fights.

    Well.

    I think it's time to reduce my STO experience considerably. I've been disapointed once too often at this point.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    Hey, I'm all for not being the galaxy's policeman, but the penalty of death for saving a species from doom is f^&*ing absurd. Point in case: The TNG episode where picard about PMS'd when data saved a girl from dying and brought her on the enterprise, and then they acted like it was such a huge deal when they saved the planet from destruction. Who gives a TRIBBLE if they don't have warp capabilities, you don't let an entire planet die. That makes you worse than Hitler and Stalin and the like.

    Godwin's Law? Really?

    If a culture is immature and incapable of understanding or harnessing that kind of technology peacefully... then it's probably better to let them go extinct.

    Otherwise you introduce a really destructive race on the rest of the galaxy. Like having a pet monkey. Yeah, at first they're cute and it's so noble to save them from poachers or whatever. But then they grow up and they're aggressive, mean, and they'll mutilate you once they get to that certain age when they stop being cute.

    You have to let nature take its course. That's what the Prime Directive is. If you keep interferring in nature -- it's going to come back to bite you in the aft, and harder than what you originally did. Star Trek has the luxury of being a fictional television series where breaking the Prime Directive has rarely, if ever, had consequences.

    Because the script called for it.

    But in reality it was based on the moral principal that you shouldn't interfere with the natural course of a people, because it's rarely paid off in the end.

    But if you want to invoke Godwin's Law? The Soviets are the ones who got rid of Hitler -- it wasn't America. And we see how that turned out for Stalin -- and us. Road to hell, good intentions, etc.
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  • mcduffie369mcduffie369 Member Posts: 787 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Season 8 Is Great!!!!!!!! I Love All Of It!!!
  • brewtolomusbrewtolomus Member Posts: 277
    edited November 2013
    but I thought the new stuff looks pretty neat.
    I didn't get to play as much as I wanted though, because my friends from that other game I play shamed me into playing the new stuff that came out yesterday as well.

    I saw plenty of other folks flying about in the sphere I was in.

    I don't think it's a failure because it didn't take forever to get in.
    Perhaps, the devs in this game can actually introduce new content without causing a dozen other bugs in the process.
    In DDO, if something ain't broke after a new update, it don't feel right.:D
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    I'm not talking about morals, I'm talking about interference, like in the TNG episode afore mentioned, and into darkness when they saved the species on that weird planet, Nibiru iirc.

    The Prime Directive is both. That's why it evolved from non-interference in non-warp species to "Mind your own business, or someone's going to punch you in the face."

    Voyager had the luxury of being fictional, having plot armor, and a script that did whatever. If you want to look at what Voyager would have really turned out like if it wasn't for plot armor and a script that pandered to an otherwise unlikely situation?

    Year of Hell.

    That was Voyager as how it was originally intended. You try to do something good, and you will pay the price for it.

    And as much as I disliked Voyager as a whole, Year of Hell is one of the few episodes I actually legitimately liked.

    Because it was far more probable and realistic than how the rest of the series was. Replace the Krenim with the Kazon, and rewind back to the first season, and that's pretty much what would have happened to Voyager. One ship without any type of support, with Janeway trying to be Picard when she should have been Kirk. On a moral high horse in an area where noone has even heard of the Federation.

    Like James Cook or Ferdinand Magellan. Visiting Islanders thinking you're superior and everyone should love you... and the next thing you know you're getting speared to death by way more people that hate you than you have muskets and marines.
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  • radagast75radagast75 Member Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Problem with prime directive and you is that you just live on the present. Making decicions on interpretation of present.

    It involves much more, like why this happens, what if we help or interfere, what happens in future if we interfere.

    Starship arrives to planet that is ongoing major natural disaster like our earth in the future may do. They dont know why these things happen and so on, all they see is that there is disaster and heklp is needed.

    It is noble to help, true that but consider why we may end up being in the doomsday natural disaster? By our own action most likely. Not caring of consequencxes of our lifestyles and so on.

    They may prevent the disaster but we would not learn anything most likeoly. We would continue ourt destructive methoids since earth seemed to recover by itself. Almost miraculously.

    In the future we may end up as space faring race that continues this senseless use of resources anywhere we go, like swarm of locusts.

    In the end, saving species like us was noble and had good intention but it lead to even greater threat or in the end, perphaps exhaustion of entire quadrants if not entire galaxts resources.


    Spit on the prime directive?

    "A starship captain's most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive."
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    iconians wrote: »
    The Prime Directive is both. That's why it evolved from non-interference in non-warp species to "Mind your own business, or someone's going to punch you in the face."

    See above post on the Dominion. Starfleet kept antagonizing the Dominion after being told in no uncertain terms to stay the **** out of the Gamma Quadrant, and wound up with the most devastating war in galactic history.

    The Dominion War is either the proof that shows why the Prime Directive is necessary, or it's proof of how thoroughly inconsistently it's applied and why I don't trust anyone who throws it out as a justification for anything after a species can go FTL. They use it as an excuse to avoid action, not a principle that can be admired.
    radagast75 wrote: »
    It is noble to help, true that but consider why we may end up being in the doomsday natural disaster? By our own action most likely. Not caring of consequencxes of our lifestyles and so on.

    They may prevent the disaster but we would not learn anything most likeoly. We would continue ourt destructive methoids since earth seemed to recover by itself. Almost miraculously.

    Self-inflicted problems are one thing. Outside-context problems like planet-killing asteroids or whatever are quite another. Kirk would try to help invisibly. Picard would be fine with committing negligent genocide because of his so-called "noble principle".
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2013
    lomax6996 wrote: »
    Actually one of the BIG reasons is that there are a LOT of us that simply can't get in to the game. There are at least 3 different (yet possibly related) issues that are preventing many from getting in at all... with, so far, no rhyme, reason or pattern to the issues... it's all "under investigation" <sigh>. I've never before had a problem logging in like this. Logged in fine the night before the patch. Since the patch... can't get past the character screen :(


    Im sorry you cant get in game brother, Hopefully that will be fixd ASAP

    We have a few Fleetmates who cant get in as well
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    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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  • starsider32485starsider32485 Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Ok, gonna be honest here...I LIKE season 8. I think the ground and space combat contested zones are fun, the new PvE missions are awesome and, while yes another pain in the but pair of grinds, both the new rep and the fleet holding are really cool.

    My only real disappointment is the story, both the current execution and the lack of it. Ok, the gateway decloaked in Sphere of Influence leads to an Omega particle spouting Dyson sphere. However, since the Sphere is just OLD instead of, ya know, in a million pieces in the middle of a subspace anomaly, this means the particle's it's producing are STABLE. The whole point behind the Omega Directive was because the one time Starfleet tried to make one particle of Omega on their own, it blew up half a sector. However, the Sphere is obviously capable of producing large quantities of stable ones, and the ep that introduced them stated repeatedly that Omega particles could be a potentially infinite energy source...and what's the Joint Operation's main objective? Destroy all the omega particles and shut down the ancient high tech sphere like paranoid idiots.

    Ok...I MIGHT buy that Starfleet/KDF/Republic aren't taking time to rethink the Omega Directive if there were some sign that the Omega Particles were being produced as a weapon by the Iconians or their slave race...but at this point there's no sign of that at all, other than the sphere being the same tech as encountered in the subspace lab from SoI.

    And then there's the Voth. Granted, the Silurian knockoffs have egos the size of, well, dinosaurs when it comes to their Doctrine 'right to rule' stuff, and maybe they're completely unwilling to work with the Joint Command races at all...but we're not SHOWN any of that. By the time your character gets to the Sphere, joint command is apparently signifigantly established to the point of having strong control of a large section of the sphere, and having set up a large minefield/sensor net to protect that control, and are also embroiled in ongoing skirmishes with the Voth over a second section.

    We don't get to see ANY of the initial re-encounters with the Voth, or even the initial forays into the sphere that led to them. We just show up and get told to get out there and enforce our own paranoid Omega Doctrine on them. And if this info turns out to be some 'all there in the manual' story published in Star Trek magazine, I will be royally pissed! The only thing that will mollify me is if completing reputation ranks for the sphere unlocks some story scenes like Romulan reputation did.

    So yeah, Season 8, great action, scenery and rewards...but needs an Obelisk Carrier sized dose of story content to go along with it.
  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Not dead, but not packed either. I even tested by logging out and back in a few times. Never had a problem getting back on. 2000 online accounts isn't that high a number. For comparison, Eve Online currently has 20,000 online accounts right now.

    He was mentioning a specific map he was in... not the entire game. STF's were still going on.... non-level 50 players, other missions/maps/zones.

    Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
  • radagast75radagast75 Member Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    We could have talked to Voth, we could have found out that they have been playing with Omega for centuries and know how to stabilise it. We could have discovered them playing to be allies of Ikonians but in truth, collecting omega for plot against iconians.

    We could have befriended Voth and gone together against Ikonians which were more likely tto be the foe of season 8.

    That would have been much better than just slaying Voth who apparently are trying to protect their scientists.

    Would we not defend our scientists from attacking force?
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Wow, the forum logic is getting dumber everyday.
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