I see it this way, the "battlezone story" is what people complained about, they where tired of having the story handed to them it wasnt "immersive" enough, now that you have to learn the story on your own your mad about that.
There is literally no pleasing you people. Season 8 and the Battlezones are great and exactly what people asked for.
The rep is easier, marks and dil flow in like nobodies business. It is after all a game, and so it plays by rules the DEVs make, and all your complaining about how they do their jobs, makes them less enthusiastic to do it.
So suck it up and be glad.
Quoted for truth! I pray Cryptic ignores the idiots on the forum complaining. They are the same people who complained that the rep before was to grindy. Now that its ten times easier they complain about the story. You complainers=fail.
For those complaining about a lack of story behind this season, there are missions that you get for tiering up the Dyson rep (like the romulan rep) that advance the story. I've only done the 1st one so far but they do add a bit more background info.
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I think you guys may be trying too hard to see something coherent and plausible. From what I've read so far, I don't see much of a coherent story based on little hints about a hidden story. Please keep sharing, because it's slowly peaking my interest. But I would like a coherent explanation for how the following stuff is connected with a coherent plot. Can you please summarize:
Dinos with lasers, the clicker body snatchers, Iconians, Dyson sphere, and let's not forget those pesky Undine.
I'm not trying to diss the nice STO writer, but I feel like her job must be incredibly difficult when she probably gets instructions like: "We're going to make a Dyson sphere and dinos with lasers... Oh and somehow work in something neat about this new shiny that we're selling. Oh, and here is a new set of buckets and buckets surrounding a new fleet holding. Connect the story to the buckets as well."
Season 8 is the result of that: A great story-rich FE and a bunch of "adventure zone" stuff and new buckets that leaves everyone grasping at clues to make some weird connections.
Challenge accepted!
The Solanagen aliens(aka "clicker body snatchers") are minions of the Iconians. This is apparently how the Elachi(established as minions of the Iconians in the RR storyline) have their transporter tech.
It's also why you fight them in the FE. They're acting as caretakers for the Iconians. In one of the computer terminals you find in the FE, it talks about how the Iconians(or minions thereof) managed to covertly abduct one of the Romulan scientists from Mol'Rihan.
Shon finds some sort of weird teleporter device, and when you examine it you find out that it uses a six dimensional coordinate system and, without knowing how to set the coordinates, it's unusable. Shon was abducted and taken to the examination room while looking at this device, which suggests that it is the abduction device used by the Solanagen aliens.
The interior space that the FE takes place in is apparently something built by the "Solanae" race. But... this may or may not be the same race as the Solanagen aliens.
The Solanae were a servant race of the Iconians but later rebelled. (this is not seen in the FE, but comes from one of the consoles in the ground battle zone.) The Solanae also designed and built the Obelisk Carrier.
Or were you talking about the Voth side of the story? I'm still working on collecting that side.
Quoted for truth! I pray Cryptic ignores the idiots on the forum complaining. They are the same people who complained that the rep before was to grindy. Now that its ten times easier they complain about the story. You complainers=fail.
Throwing out insults always helps to get your point across! :rolleyes:
Quoted for truth! I pray Cryptic ignores the idiots on the forum complaining. They are the same people who complained that the rep before was to grindy. Now that its ten times easier they complain about the story. You complainers=fail.
From an Ensign=Free Player... really impressive. Yeah, I said it.
The Solanagen aliens(aka "clicker body snatchers") are minions of the Iconians. This is apparently how the Elachi(established as minions of the Iconians in the RR storyline) have their transporter tech.
It's also why you fight them in the FE. They're acting as caretakers for the Iconians. In one of the computer terminals you find in the FE, it talks about how the Iconians(or minions thereof) managed to covertly abduct one of the Romulan scientists from Mol'Rihan.
Shon finds some sort of weird teleporter device, and when you examine it you find out that it uses a six dimensional coordinate system and, without knowing how to set the coordinates, it's unusable. Shon was abducted and taken to the examination room while looking at this device, which suggests that it is the abduction device used by the Solanagen aliens.
The interior space that the FE takes place in is apparently something built by the "Solanae" race. But... this may or may not be the same race as the Solanagen aliens.
The Solanae were a servant race of the Iconians but later rebelled. (this is not seen in the FE, but comes from one of the consoles in the ground battle zone.) The Solanae also designed and built the Obelisk Carrier.
Or were you talking about the Voth side of the story? I'm still working on collecting that side.
Sorry Mark, but this kind of reads like random trivia, not something resembling a coherent story. I give you props for trying to sort it out, but it's not really saying anything. I don't see a plot, especially in relation to most of season 8 post Sphere of Influence stuff. Please update me with more information about the reputation cutscenes, since I won't be doing them.
How does the Dyson sphere and the Voth advance the plot of sphere of influence? If you were pitiching season 8 as a continuation of the overall story, what would that pitch be?
From an Ensign=Free Player... really impressive. Yeah, I said it.
Or just doesnt post much/ new join of the forum. I was on the game a year before i actually signed up for the forum.
But if a new person can see that people are whiner babies and never happy, then us jaded old people should have already jumped on that band wagon......
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Or just doesnt post much/ new join of the forum. I was on the game a year before i actually signed up for the forum.
But if a new person can see that people are whiner babies and never happy, then us jaded old people should have already jumped on that band wagon......
People who are actively enjoying STO generally spend time playing the game they enjoy, and don't post often on the forums.
People who don't play the game because they hate it spend time on the forums complaining about it.
Then there are people who like me who like posting on the forums during his downtime while playing the game to introduce reality and facts into the threads as a public service.
What happened to the diplomatic option? Have any peace delegations tried to open up talks with the Voth and say "please stop harvesting the particle that could ruin everything"? But no. The Federation is all about "Shoot first, don't even bother asking questions". Because the guys making the decisions at Cryptic know that "kill everything" is what sells, except that Trek is about the opposite of "kill everything".
How arrogant is the Federation to go to the other side of the galaxy to impose its will on another sovereign power while having such limited knowledge of what we're dealing with? Maybe the Voth have millions of years of experience with harvesting and using Omega particles? They can build ships the size of small moons. They take centuries to perfect technology before using it. They don't take crazy risks. So maybe they know what the hell they're doing.
Maybe we should ask them! They might be harvesting Omega to fight the Iconians. Maybe if Cryptic thought of creating gameplay other than "fly around and shoot the big dumb object and get a reward", this would feel like Star Trek and not "Generic space action MMO: now with space T-Rexes!".
Learn to use the eidt button instead of double posting.
The Federation shooting first that is at 23rd century Kirks time not Picard who changed all that.Sisko shot first himself why becasue him and Kirk are both Tac.s unlike Janeway and Picard beinf Science.
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People who are actively enjoying STO generally spend time playing the game they enjoy, and don't post often on the forums.
People who don't play the game because they hate it spend time on the forums complaining about it.
Then there are people who like me who like posting on the forums during his downtime while playing the game to introduce reality and facts into the threads as a public service.
Thats what i do essentially. I was looking for info so signed up so i could reply and ask questions.
When i play i play, when i cant play i troll the forums (and thats troll as in search[fishing term] not troll as in grief)
I try not to complain to much, minus bugs and the like, and to focus on things i like and enjoy. Excpet for ship layouts those i love to B****h about
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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Or just doesnt post much/ new join of the forum. I was on the game a year before i actually signed up for the forum.
But if a new person can see that people are whiner babies and never happy, then us jaded old people should have already jumped on that band wagon......
I rarely post here, but it just seems to me that the Devs have absolutely no plot outline at all to work off of.
They jump from one "plot" area to another in a totally disjointed way, with no continuity bridges to make any of it believable. In example I will use the original Romulan story arc...
And let me state that the Romulan story line, from the beginning, was IMHO, the best thought out, and most absorbing one in the history of this title...
So, I was totally invested in it, loved the missions, etc... then... Sorry, off to DS9 with you, we are done here.
Huh?
It was like having the floor fall out from under you. And every new season since has been the same way. This isn't Star Trek, it's Short Attention Span Theatre, with pew pew guns.
There is enough fodder in any of the original story lines, be it Fed vs. Klingons, the Romulans, the whole DS9 can of worms, that you could pick ONE of them and develop it out for years. But no, they have to skip all over the place, yanking us around with them on their A.D.D. romp through the universe.
Fits in with the times. This is definitely the ADHD generation and the content is center around that. I agree with you that Rom mission arc was the most cohesive though it too had some major issue like why exactly would the Tal Shiar help the Iconians blow up Romulus.
Sad to say it is all about the bling now (shiny lock boxes, consoles and holdings) and not substance. Maybe they will throw us a few more bones now that Dorn has recorded some lines.
I rarely post here, but it just seems to me that the Devs have absolutely no plot outline at all to work off of.
They jump from one "plot" area to another in a totally disjointed way, with no continuity bridges to make any of it believable. In example I will use the original Romulan story arc...
And let me state that the Romulan story line, from the beginning, was IMHO, the best thought out, and most absorbing one in the history of this title...
So, I was totally invested in it, loved the missions, etc... then... Sorry, off to DS9 with you, we are done here.
Huh?
It was like having the floor fall out from under you. And every new season since has been the same way. This isn't Star Trek, it's Short Attention Span Theatre, with pew pew guns.
There is enough fodder in any of the original story lines, be it Fed vs. Klingons, the Romulans, the whole DS9 can of worms, that you could pick ONE of them and develop it out for years. But no, they have to skip all over the place, yanking us around with them on their A.D.D. romp through the universe.
It's sad really.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Thank you. I am glad someone else is saying this too. Just because you can come up with weird connections between totally random and unrelated events doesn't make it cohesive or thought out. It is like people who see patterns in the noise or those who see conspiracy theories everywhere.
Frankly, it doesn't make sense for all the empire to attack the Federation. If you study history you will see that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" held quite a bit. The Federation is not the center of the universe and borders everyone else. Those who border the Federation and are hostile to it ... also border other states who may be hostile to them. Those other powers are natural allies of the Feds. So we should have alliances slugging it out across space.
Anyways, to make this happen we would need some coherent plan to emerge and I don't think it exists. Iconians are just the convenient bad mysterious bad guys behind it all. Btw, in TNG the Iconians are not portrayed as evil or hostile and even Data and Picard come to the conclusion that "history was written by the victors". So another canon source is thrown out the door.
Sorry Mark, but this kind of reads like random trivia, not something resembling a coherent story. I give you props for trying to sort it out, but it's not really saying anything. I don't see a plot, especially in relation to most of season 8 post Sphere of Influence stuff. Please update me with more information about the reputation cutscenes, since I won't be doing them.
How does the Dyson sphere and the Voth advance the plot of sphere of influence? If you were pitiching season 8 as a continuation of the overall story, what would that pitch be?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Fits in with the times. This is definitely the ADHD generation and the content is center around that. I agree with you that Rom mission arc was the most cohesive though it too had some major issue like why exactly would the Tal Shiar help the Iconians blow up Romulus.
Sad to say it is all about the bling now (shiny lock boxes, consoles and holdings) and not substance. Maybe they will throw us a few more bones now that Dorn has recorded some lines.
I personally feel like it's wrong to fault the writer but right to fault the process. How can any writer work under conditions that ask him or her to keep some kind of coherency going to a game that is constantly shifting gears and characters, thinking of the next new and different (thus unrelated) front, while offering new ships and new aliens of the week?
LoR was successful because it provided for a beginning and end with a stable context and the opportunity for characters. S8 is so far removed from any of that, it's silly.
If the writer could develop the characters that experience those new fronts and aliens of the week, it can work. If the writer can only deal with some weird overarching plot that connects what are essentially random and unrelated events... well, it's an exercise in futility.
The problem is that the story is not central. Rather, some random new system or cool thing is central and the writer has to deal with the constant adhd of system designers.
Btw, in TNG the Iconians are not portrayed as evil or hostile and even Data and Picard come to the conclusion that "history was written by the victors". So another canon source is thrown out the door.
Yeah, I agree. STO is going to base its overarching plot on some mysterious Iconian connection, yet throw out canon when it comes to Iconians. It's like creating a mystery that revolves around something that contradicts the show, in a game about the show.
I personally feel like it's wrong to fault the writer but right to fault the process. How can any writer work under conditions that ask him or her to keep some kind of coherency going to a game that is constantly shifting gears and characters, thinking of the next new and different (thus unrelated) front, while offering new ships and new aliens of the week?
LoR was successful because it provided for a beginning and end with a stable context and the opportunity for characters. S8 is so far removed from any of that, it's silly.
If the writer could develop the characters that experience those new fronts and aliens of the week, it can work. If the writer can only deal with some weird overarching plot that connects what are essentially random and unrelated events... well, it's an exercise in futility.
The problem is that the story is not central. Rather, some random new system or cool thing is central and the writer has to deal with the constant adhd of system designers.
Agree 100%. I wish more players were as thoughtful with their analysis. I am glad I am not the only Trekkie around.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Yeah, I agree. STO is going to base its overarching plot on some mysterious Iconian connection, yet throw out canon when it comes to Iconians. It's like creating a mystery that revolves are something that contradicts the show, in a game about the show.
Well, Picard and Data were engaging in idle speculation as to the nature of the Iconians. They had no PROOF either way.... Therefore we cannot say that it's canon that the Iconians were peaceful.
Well, Picard and Data were engaging in idle speculation as to the nature of the Iconians. They had no PROOF either way....
But their approach is the Fed way of doing things. They investigate and reason through the evidence and approach things with an open mind. Here it is more "fire first ... negotiate later" kind of deal. I guess the same thing applies to the new JJ movies also. It is a different era both in movies and real world and those of us who appreciated the more cerebral aspect of Trek miss it.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
But their approach is the Fed way of doing things. They investigate and reason through the evidence and approach things with an open mind. Here it is more "fire first ... negotiate later" kind of deal. I guess the same thing applies to the new JJ movies also. It is a different era both in movies and real world and those of us who appreciated the more cerebral aspect of Trek miss it.
They didn't reason through much of anything except how to disable the Iconian technology they found. As for the motives of the Iconians, they were just guessing.
Agree completely. Btw, awesome idea here. Kind of reminds of the spheres in Enterprise and could see a hostile alien inhabiting the spheres and not being too happy at the uninvited visitors. But they had to do dinos.
This is why people are calling you a apologist and cheerleader.
In TNG we had no shortage of evil beings, we even had Lore ... yet Cryptic picked the Iconians and instead of doing something interesting with them (as Picard and Data being correct and Iconian technology being used by a 3rd party) they just made it strait, they are Evil.
Lets take Season 8, we had a Dyson Sphere so instead of exploring and making it like New Romulus area they had to thrown in the Voth, the Voth are not needed and are a sore thumb because the Dyson Sphere could very well have defensive systems, in fact it DOES have them so they could just create a entire new enemy (Dyson Sphere automated defense system) without having to go around picking on some race to make them the target, in fact the Voth here are pretty much only in name and nothing interesting was done with them, as usual.
Cryptic seems to be just throwing stuff in and fear create anything new, this is being creative bankrupt because they appear to be unable to create anything without a crutch, if they fear players responses because "its not in Trek" I rather have something new that something I know being altered to the point of ridicule because hey are too afraid to CREATE something.
And granted, its not as if the forums dont given then reasons but when forums complains are ignored and ignored and ignored I cannot see that as being a factor.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
This is why people are calling you a apologist and cheerleader.
In TNG we had no shortage of evil beings, we even had Lore ... yet Cryptic picked the Iconians and instead of doing something interesting with them (as Picard and Data being correct and Iconian technology being used by a 3rd party) they just made it strait, they are Evil.
Lets take Season 8, we had a Dyson Sphere so instead of exploring and making it like New Romulus area they had to thrown in the Voth, the Voth are not needed and are a sore thumb because the Dyson Sphere could very well have defensive systems, in fact it DOES have them so they could just create a entire new enemy (Dyson Sphere automated defense system) without having to go around picking on some race to make them the target, in fact the Voth here are pretty much only in name and nothing interesting was done with them, as usual.
Cryptic seems to be just throwing stuff in and fear create anything new, this is being creative bankrupt because they appear to be unable to create anything without a crutch, if they fear players responses because "its not in Trek" I rather have something new that something I know being altered to the point of ridicule because hey are too afraid to CREATE something.
And granted, its not as if the forums dont given then reasons but when forums complains are ignored and ignored and ignored I cannot see that as being a factor.
Can't take the truth? Here's the thing.... That's your personal view of what the game should be. Nothing more. As for forum complaints, I and many others have pointed out that people literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING!
Players have indeed complained every time the Devs make up their own stuff. And here you are complaining when they DON'T. There is no way to please everyone, especially people who seem to be unpleaseable.
The big differences between the Iconians and most of the other bad guys in TNG is that most of the TNG villains of the week weren't something that could pose a threat to the entire galaxy. The Iconians were a rare exception to this. And the Voth? the Voth were one of the most formidable enemies Voyager encountered. what would you rather fight? the Kazon? The Vidiians perhaps? Or maybe the Malon?
I am okay with fighting the Voth ... but not T'Rex with lasers on their frikkin' head (TM). It is totally inconsistent with the IP and scifi settings.
Think about the tech in Trek and about domesticating T'Rexes and equipping them with lasers. If that doesn't register a 10 on the Richter Scale of Stupid ... then I don't know what else to say to you about this.
Can't take the truth? Here's the thing.... That's your personal view of what the game should be. Nothing more. As for forum complaints, I and many others have pointed out that people literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING!
Players have indeed complained every time the Devs make up their own stuff. And here you are complaining when they DON'T. There is no way to please everyone, especially people who seem to be unpleaseable.
The big differences between the Iconians and most of the other bad guys in TNG is that most of the TNG villains of the week weren't something that could pose a threat to the entire galaxy. The Iconians were a rare exception to this. And the Voth? the Voth were one of the most formidable enemies Voyager encountered. what would you rather fight? the Kazon? The Vidiians perhaps? Or maybe the Malon?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Well, Picard and Data were engaging in idle speculation as to the nature of the Iconians. They had no PROOF either way.... Therefore we cannot say that it's canon that the Iconians were peaceful.
No but we can say with certainty that BOTH time Iconian gates were built, they were not in military facilities. One was a lone building in the middle of a forest so that can hardly be considered secure. Besides, I would rather believe Picard and Data, characters written by the creators of Star Trek then some backwater gaming company.
I am okay with fighting the Voth ... but not T'Rex with lasers on their frikkin' head (TM). It is totally inconsistent with the IP and scifi settings.
Think about the tech in Trek and about domesticating T'Rexes and equipping them with lasers. If that doesn't register a 10 on the Richter Scale of Stupid ... then I don't know what else to say to you about this.
Bio-Engineered V-Rex's wih LAZORS on their Frikkin' heads.
That being said, think of them like Living tanks with a Big head and Tiny arms. Now as always when trying to figure out what the dev folk are thinking i use a heavy amount of assumption.
So they are Bio-Engineered, when engineering anything you have to take control into mind. So that means i assume they enginnered these suckers for that purpose. Also you have to note that the Voth are masters of hiding. Also assuming it has Cybernetic Implants in it, it is programmed not to target Voth. It is a big, tough, angry and mobile Angry artillery piece.
Essentially this isnt an ill-tempered seabass. This is a Shark with Frikkin laser beams on its head.
If you got one youd laugh maniaclly as you sent it out on a PvP field......
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No but we can say with certainty that BOTH time Iconian gates were built, they were not in military facilities. One was a lone building in the middle of a forest so that can hardly be considered secure. Besides, I would rather believe Picard and Data, characters written by the creators of Star Trek then some backwater gaming company.
ORLY? The first one was a bombed out ruin that was launching probes that either crippled or destroyed starships. Sounds pretty military to me....
The second.... was a ruin overgrown due to millennia of neglect, we have no way to know what it looked like when the Iconians were using it.
Even Picard and Data added a caveat that they weren't sure if the Iconians were peaceful or not.
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The Solanagen aliens(aka "clicker body snatchers") are minions of the Iconians. This is apparently how the Elachi(established as minions of the Iconians in the RR storyline) have their transporter tech.
It's also why you fight them in the FE. They're acting as caretakers for the Iconians. In one of the computer terminals you find in the FE, it talks about how the Iconians(or minions thereof) managed to covertly abduct one of the Romulan scientists from Mol'Rihan.
Shon finds some sort of weird teleporter device, and when you examine it you find out that it uses a six dimensional coordinate system and, without knowing how to set the coordinates, it's unusable. Shon was abducted and taken to the examination room while looking at this device, which suggests that it is the abduction device used by the Solanagen aliens.
The interior space that the FE takes place in is apparently something built by the "Solanae" race. But... this may or may not be the same race as the Solanagen aliens.
The Solanae were a servant race of the Iconians but later rebelled. (this is not seen in the FE, but comes from one of the consoles in the ground battle zone.) The Solanae also designed and built the Obelisk Carrier.
Or were you talking about the Voth side of the story? I'm still working on collecting that side.
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I am no such thing!!!
I tak issues with Bugs, Lag and all that fun jazz. You know the real problems that should be focused on?
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Throwing out insults always helps to get your point across! :rolleyes:
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From an Ensign=Free Player... really impressive. Yeah, I said it.
Sorry Mark, but this kind of reads like random trivia, not something resembling a coherent story. I give you props for trying to sort it out, but it's not really saying anything. I don't see a plot, especially in relation to most of season 8 post Sphere of Influence stuff. Please update me with more information about the reputation cutscenes, since I won't be doing them.
How does the Dyson sphere and the Voth advance the plot of sphere of influence? If you were pitiching season 8 as a continuation of the overall story, what would that pitch be?
Or just doesnt post much/ new join of the forum. I was on the game a year before i actually signed up for the forum.
But if a new person can see that people are whiner babies and never happy, then us jaded old people should have already jumped on that band wagon......
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
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People who are actively enjoying STO generally spend time playing the game they enjoy, and don't post often on the forums.
People who don't play the game because they hate it spend time on the forums complaining about it.
Then there are people who like me who like posting on the forums during his downtime while playing the game to introduce reality and facts into the threads as a public service.
The Federation shooting first that is at 23rd century Kirks time not Picard who changed all that.Sisko shot first himself why becasue him and Kirk are both Tac.s unlike Janeway and Picard beinf Science.
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Thats what i do essentially. I was looking for info so signed up so i could reply and ask questions.
When i play i play, when i cant play i troll the forums (and thats troll as in search[fishing term] not troll as in grief)
I try not to complain to much, minus bugs and the like, and to focus on things i like and enjoy. Excpet for ship layouts those i love to B****h about
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
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My character Tsin'xing
They jump from one "plot" area to another in a totally disjointed way, with no continuity bridges to make any of it believable. In example I will use the original Romulan story arc...
And let me state that the Romulan story line, from the beginning, was IMHO, the best thought out, and most absorbing one in the history of this title...
So, I was totally invested in it, loved the missions, etc... then... Sorry, off to DS9 with you, we are done here.
Huh?
It was like having the floor fall out from under you. And every new season since has been the same way. This isn't Star Trek, it's Short Attention Span Theatre, with pew pew guns.
There is enough fodder in any of the original story lines, be it Fed vs. Klingons, the Romulans, the whole DS9 can of worms, that you could pick ONE of them and develop it out for years. But no, they have to skip all over the place, yanking us around with them on their A.D.D. romp through the universe.
It's sad really.
Sad to say it is all about the bling now (shiny lock boxes, consoles and holdings) and not substance. Maybe they will throw us a few more bones now that Dorn has recorded some lines.
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Frankly, it doesn't make sense for all the empire to attack the Federation. If you study history you will see that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" held quite a bit. The Federation is not the center of the universe and borders everyone else. Those who border the Federation and are hostile to it ... also border other states who may be hostile to them. Those other powers are natural allies of the Feds. So we should have alliances slugging it out across space.
Anyways, to make this happen we would need some coherent plan to emerge and I don't think it exists. Iconians are just the convenient bad mysterious bad guys behind it all. Btw, in TNG the Iconians are not portrayed as evil or hostile and even Data and Picard come to the conclusion that "history was written by the victors". So another canon source is thrown out the door.
- Judge Aaron Satie
I personally feel like it's wrong to fault the writer but right to fault the process. How can any writer work under conditions that ask him or her to keep some kind of coherency going to a game that is constantly shifting gears and characters, thinking of the next new and different (thus unrelated) front, while offering new ships and new aliens of the week?
LoR was successful because it provided for a beginning and end with a stable context and the opportunity for characters. S8 is so far removed from any of that, it's silly.
If the writer could develop the characters that experience those new fronts and aliens of the week, it can work. If the writer can only deal with some weird overarching plot that connects what are essentially random and unrelated events... well, it's an exercise in futility.
The problem is that the story is not central. Rather, some random new system or cool thing is central and the writer has to deal with the constant adhd of system designers.
Yeah, I agree. STO is going to base its overarching plot on some mysterious Iconian connection, yet throw out canon when it comes to Iconians. It's like creating a mystery that revolves around something that contradicts the show, in a game about the show.
Agree 100%. I wish more players were as thoughtful with their analysis. I am glad I am not the only Trekkie around.
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But their approach is the Fed way of doing things. They investigate and reason through the evidence and approach things with an open mind. Here it is more "fire first ... negotiate later" kind of deal. I guess the same thing applies to the new JJ movies also. It is a different era both in movies and real world and those of us who appreciated the more cerebral aspect of Trek miss it.
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As i am a huge fan of Halo i dont really mind
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Players have indeed complained every time the Devs make up their own stuff. And here you are complaining when they DON'T. There is no way to please everyone, especially people who seem to be unpleaseable.
The big differences between the Iconians and most of the other bad guys in TNG is that most of the TNG villains of the week weren't something that could pose a threat to the entire galaxy. The Iconians were a rare exception to this. And the Voth? the Voth were one of the most formidable enemies Voyager encountered. what would you rather fight? the Kazon? The Vidiians perhaps? Or maybe the Malon?
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Think about the tech in Trek and about domesticating T'Rexes and equipping them with lasers. If that doesn't register a 10 on the Richter Scale of Stupid ... then I don't know what else to say to you about this.
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No but we can say with certainty that BOTH time Iconian gates were built, they were not in military facilities. One was a lone building in the middle of a forest so that can hardly be considered secure. Besides, I would rather believe Picard and Data, characters written by the creators of Star Trek then some backwater gaming company.
Bio-Engineered V-Rex's wih LAZORS on their Frikkin' heads.
That being said, think of them like Living tanks with a Big head and Tiny arms. Now as always when trying to figure out what the dev folk are thinking i use a heavy amount of assumption.
So they are Bio-Engineered, when engineering anything you have to take control into mind. So that means i assume they enginnered these suckers for that purpose. Also you have to note that the Voth are masters of hiding. Also assuming it has Cybernetic Implants in it, it is programmed not to target Voth. It is a big, tough, angry and mobile Angry artillery piece.
Essentially this isnt an ill-tempered seabass. This is a Shark with Frikkin laser beams on its head.
If you got one youd laugh maniaclly as you sent it out on a PvP field......
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As these two cutscenes show , that's not true .
The only problem is that these things will be forgotten by the next season .
And the Iconians will never invade !
The second.... was a ruin overgrown due to millennia of neglect, we have no way to know what it looked like when the Iconians were using it.
Even Picard and Data added a caveat that they weren't sure if the Iconians were peaceful or not.
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