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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    More like:

    Voth: "run for your lives or die!"

    Well, from the "data logs" I've found in the Battlezone, the Voth seem really worried that "the mammals will figure out what we are doing with the Omega Particles" so "force is the only option".

    I have not read anything that directly says "diplomacy failed", but the Voth are definitely channeling a Tholian "keel da mammalz!!!" vibe. I have no issue nuking them from orbit.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    redvenge wrote: »

    I have not read anything that directly says "diplomacy failed", but the Voth are definitely channeling a Tholian "keel da mammalz!!!" vibe. I have no issue nuking them from orbit.

    It's the only way to be sure
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  • kirkson2kirkson2 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The sad fact is that players will always demand more than what the devs CAN deliver. ALWAYS, and if you think Star Citizen will be any different, then I have a bridge on Galorndon Core to sell you....

    All i demand is that they patch the servers to where people can get on.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I agree with you "azurianstar" with the size of dyson sphere. If this was an actual dyson sphere then would not see the back side of the interior. Also one thing I noticed. In TV series Star Trek The next Generation Season 6 Episode 4 "Relic". The enterprise discovers the dyson sphere. Inside the dyson sphere interior there was an unstable sun. So where is the sun.
    adverbero wrote: »
    Your not seeing the back of it, thats the bit your on curving upward

    Have you not looked up? tryit, See that glowing orb that looks familiarly like a Sun? thats the mid point, the other side of the sphere is obscured by the internal atmosphere

    You might have a point, except that the curvature (appears to be) all wrong for a location of this immensity. You shouldn't be able to see it distinctly, any more than you can make out a Martian canal with the naked eye or see individual craters on the Moon without a powerful telescope.

    I'm not knocking the artists... they have to represent it somehow and I'm sure it looks gorgeous (still waiting to play it). But in reality, you would most likely see the "horizon" blending in with the "sky" and not be able to make out anything like the continents we see in the screenshots. They'd be stretched out, hazy, and look like anything but an inside out globe.

    That's the real reason it looks like it does... because if they had to represent what it would really look like to the naked eye, it would (probably) be utterly boring to look at.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    You might have a point, except that the curvature (appears to be) all wrong for a location of this immensity. You shouldn't be able to see it distinctly, any more than you can make out a Martian canal with the naked eye or see individual craters on the Moon without a powerful telescope.

    I'm not knocking the artists... they have to represent it somehow and I'm sure it looks gorgeous (still waiting to play it). But in reality, you would most likely see the "horizon" blending in with the "sky" and not be able to make out anything like the continents we see in the screenshots. They'd be stretched out, hazy, and look like anything but an inside out globe.

    That's the real reason it looks like it does... because if they had to represent what it would really look like to the naked eye, it would (probably) be utterly boring to look at.

    indeed, i recall a dev forum post mentioning that they intentionally made it unrealistic to make it more visually interesting, though i can't for the life of me remember which dev said it when or where
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  • kirkson2kirkson2 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adverbero wrote: »
    indeed, i recall a dev forum post mentioning that they intentionally made it unrealistic to make it more visually interesting, though i can't for the life of me remember which dev said it when or where

    If devs could work on getting people who cant get into the game into the game without crashing at loading screen i would be happy..
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    After careful deliberation of this thread, I believe I have captured the essence of the communities feelings in the matter :)

    It went from this to this, and I'm not sure but somewhere in the middle did this. :) To be sure I don't know what to make of all this. Total conundrum is what it is.
  • knucklesstarknucklesstar Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I do not understand where all these people are going. "WoW has this problem, so does EvE etc"... The things that WoW does better then STO... Shall I list them.

    1) Blizzard don't actually ignore their playerbase, they see them as active members of a community and NEEDED for the game to prosper. Cryptic see you as walking debit cards.

    2) WoW does HUGE content EXPANSION PACKS. Yes, you need to pay for them but you get HUGE amounts of new content with the occasional dungeon thrown in the updates and bug fixes. Would people be as annoyed IF Cryptic had released Season 8, LoR and the Fleet Starbases as one big expansion pack? Like Cataclysm or Burning Crusade?

    THEN they would have the gap while people are playing to do bug-fixes. LOOK at WoW's previous patches and you will find that ALL of the patch notes contain bug fixes or tweaks. Infact 80% of between Expansion Pack patches DO NOT contain new content except of the odd dungeon or raid boss.

    Its not Cryptic that has destroyed STO and made it a mess. Its the greed associated with Free-2-Play... Free To Play is the problem and this is why subscriptions are the bigger and most successful titles in the industry.

    This game made its grave a long long time ago...
  • carlosbflycarlosbfly Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm writing it off as a failure mainly because I can barely play the bloody thing! Maybe its just me (I hope not) but the freezing and lag around the whole Dyson Sphere makes the whole area unplayable. Battlezone is just my character frozen solid.

    I don't know, the whole thing seems badly thought out despite some interesting ideas.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I do not understand where all these people are going. "WoW has this problem, so does EvE etc"... The things that WoW does better then STO... Shall I list them.

    1) Blizzard don't actually ignore their playerbase, they see them as active members of a community and NEEDED for the game to prosper. Cryptic see you as walking debit cards.

    2) WoW does HUGE content EXPANSION PACKS. Yes, you need to pay for them but you get HUGE amounts of new content with the occasional dungeon thrown in the updates and bug fixes. Would people be as annoyed IF Cryptic had released Season 8, LoR and the Fleet Starbases as one big expansion pack? Like Cataclysm or Burning Crusade?

    THEN they would have the gap while people are playing to do bug-fixes. LOOK at WoW's previous patches and you will find that ALL of the patch notes contain bug fixes or tweaks. Infact 80% of between Expansion Pack patches DO NOT contain new content except of the odd dungeon or raid boss.

    Its not Cryptic that has destroyed STO and made it a mess. Its the greed associated with Free-2-Play... Free To Play is the problem and this is why subscriptions are the bigger and most successful titles in the industry.

    This game made its grave a long long time ago...

    to paraphrase.....dooooooooom? But in all seriousness, theres only a minor relevance comparing other business models for games, What works there doesn't necessarily work here

    on another note, subscription games, totalling hundreds of ?/$ over the years, I'm not sure you get value for money in all honesty,

    Free to play, no money down, your getting massive value for your money, it may not be as good perhaps, but your getting something for nothing, which in my opinion, is not something to complain about
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  • knucklesstarknucklesstar Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adverbero wrote: »
    to paraphrase.....dooooooooom? But in all seriousness, theres only a minor relevance comparing other business models for games, What works there doesn't necessarily work here

    on another note, subscription games, totalling hundreds of ?/$ over the years, I'm not sure you get value for money in all honesty,

    Free to play, no money down, your getting massive value for your money, it may not be as good perhaps, but your getting something for nothing, which in my opinion, is not something to complain about

    Yes, because this game is so brimming with new, exciting, thoughtful content and not just a salesroom for ships and items. /sarcasm.
  • newsinsnewsins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    What I do know so far, is as you get further in the rank you get more story. With each Rep rank gained there is a cut scene. Hopefully it goes somewhere.
  • ask4spock1ask4spock1 Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm sorry to say this and a little sad as well.



    I'm not impressed with this new season.



    Cool? Yes


    Impressive? No


    No real story line to keep me interested.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Im beginning of getting sick and tired of logging in everyday to see the launcher updating, and finding more and more bugs. I'm trying to level up my Reman char, and all what happens is that I get stuck on level impasses, like now, I have gotten stuck on "Mine Enemy", as you open the hidden door in the mine, the objective does not progress.

    Some will say that I should report this bug, but I'm reporting bugs DAILY. This really has to stop as it is really 'extracting the urine'.
  • kimonykimony Member Posts: 571 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I really want to love season 8 but I just can't it's just so boring. It's like a theme park episode with little story and boring rewards. I was at least expecting the fleet carriers to get a few model changes but other than a new skin it seems to be nothing more than a grind for a stat boost.


    Just think of it as Star Wars Land.

    :(

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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kimony wrote: »
    Just think of it as Star Wars Land.

    :(

    Be realistic...just call it Star Trek Does Jurassic Park? and get it over with.

    Hope all you clowns who voted "OMG yes liek moar Voyager lol" are happy now. :P
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Hope all you clowns who voted "OMG yes liek moar Voyager lol" are happy now. :P

    by the looks of it no matter what you voted would have not happen for the voth :)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • tarrennistarrennis Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I have not been able to get on since season 8 because the game keeps crashing. Season 8 is a waste.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Hope all you clowns who voted "OMG yes liek moar Voyager lol" are happy now. :P

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The Votes were after the Voth were announced...but sorry i forget that ruins rants sorry ;)
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The Votes were after the Voth were announced...but sorry i forget that ruins rants sorry ;)

    really i thought they came after?
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • abfabfleetabfabfleet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    As a player on all factions one thing comes to mind:

    NO MORE GRINDING!

    How do they expect smaller fleets to even catch up? Ohh wait, S8 was to open something more for those fleets done in the T5 progression.

    I am not entirely happy with S8, but it's there. Now can we concentrate on:

    1. Fixing Bugs across the board for all factions.
    2. Give Klink some love.
    3. Provide some type of assistance for progression for smaller fleets.

    Then start polling for what is next instead of adding to items that are broken.

    I say these ultimately, because it's tiresome and getting completely worn out.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    abfabfleet wrote: »
    How do they expect smaller fleets to even catch up?

    this could just be me thinking this but PWE/cryptic dont care about small 5/10/15 man fleets
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    abfabfleet wrote: »
    As a player on all factions one thing comes to mind:

    NO MORE GRINDING!

    How do they expect smaller fleets to even catch up? Ohh wait, S8 was to open something more for those fleets done in the T5 progression.

    I am not entirely happy with S8, but it's there. Now can we concentrate on:

    1. Fixing Bugs across the board for all factions.
    2. Give Klink some love.
    3. Provide some type of assistance for progression for smaller fleets.
    Then start polling for what is next instead of adding to items that are broken.

    I say these ultimately, because it's tiresome and getting completely worn out.

    For the above bolded statement you could always recruit more people into your small fleet, and use the restrictions to restrict people from stealing from the bankd and using fleet stores, jacking all your stuff and leaving..... my fleet isnt large maybe 50 people + alts, we are almost T5 in our Starbase, T3 in both the embassy and mine, and already T1 in the spire. But we have rather dedicated players.

    Or do you have a tiny fleet? like 10-15 people, more a convoy or a flotilla......
    Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    this could just be me thinking this but PWE/cryptic dont care about small 5/10/15 man fleets

    Who cares about people wanting to be in small fleet of friends and family. How dare they! STO is full of Large Fleet content that keeps them busy for days on end! :rolleyes:


    (For those who don't get it, it's called sarcasm. ;) )
  • undyingzeroundyingzero Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Be realistic...just call it Star Trek Does Jurassic Park? and get it over with.

    Hope all you clowns who voted "OMG yes liek moar Voyager lol" are happy now. :P

    I am happy! I like this Season, so yeah :D
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    abfabfleet wrote: »
    Now can we concentrate on:

    1. Fixing Bugs across the board for all factions.
    2. Give Klink some love.
    3. Provide some type of assistance for progression for smaller fleets.

    The previous 7 seasons and one expansion pack should have already taught you that they don't prioritize bug fixes, the KDF faction or smaller fleets very highly on any "to do" list.
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  • elemberq333elemberq333 Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    :mad:
    Why is the Federation so TRIBBLE?

    What happened to the diplomatic option? Have any peace delegations tried to open up talks with the Voth and say "please stop harvesting the particle that could ruin everything"? But no. The Federation is all about "Shoot first, don't even bother asking questions". Because the guys making the decisions at Cryptic know that "kill everything" is what sells, except that Trek is about the opposite of "kill everything".

    How arrogant is the Federation to go to the other side of the galaxy to impose its will on another sovereign power while having such limited knowledge of what we're dealing with? Maybe the Voth have millions of years of experience with harvesting and using Omega particles? They can build ships the size of small moons. They take centuries to perfect technology before using it. They don't take crazy risks. So maybe they know what the hell they're doing.

    Maybe we should ask them! They might be harvesting Omega to fight the Iconians. Maybe if Cryptic thought of creating gameplay other than "fly around and shoot the big dumb object and get a reward", this would feel like Star Trek and not "Generic space action MMO: now with space T-Rexes!".

    I totally agree with this and everything the OP said, STO is getting way beyond everything Star Trek stands for and I can not for the life of me see how CBS can not see how PWE/Cryptic is completely abolishing the Prime Directive and replacing it with the Dictatorship Directive....Are we part of the Mirror Universe now did we cross over in the Sphere of Influence Mission and somehow not even realize we have become what we were fighting against?

    Time to find a new game to play I think, cause this one is screwed.:mad:
  • lored2deathlored2death Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    carlosbfly wrote: »
    I'm writing it off as a failure mainly because I can barely play the bloody thing! Maybe its just me (I hope not) but the freezing and lag around the whole Dyson Sphere makes the whole area unplayable. Battlezone is just my character frozen solid.

    I don't know, the whole thing seems badly thought out despite some interesting ideas.

    The rubberbanding has made the new zone unplayable for me.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The rubberbanding has made the new zone unplayable for me.

    man that bug takes me back to open beta :)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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