Dinosaurs with lasers is the last thing that comes to my mind when I think of Star Trek...
Seems more like Halo or Mass Effect, looking at the screenshots.
All I want is some freaking sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads. LOL. Yea, laser-wielding dinos will be interesting. But it may be better than a Giant Gorn picking up a chunk of dirt in the middle of a metal hallway...
Very excited at the new Dino Trek Online, really, the artwork now looks awesome and these guys look like a formidable challenge to fight, nice work indeed.
A bit disappointed at the reaction of a few people, seem to be a little closed minded imo. This is a big galaxy, there's room for all sorts of strange things in it, the story so far makes sense based on the little we saw of the Voth in Voyager. Far better than the hippies in TOS I suffered this evening on TV.
Any news on when it all hits holodeck?
And I mean think of it, we could be stuck with a season based on ferengi or pakleds *flees*
I'll take voth anyday.
But heres a tiny hint I would like to see the Krenim and Devore at some point please
Your version of the Voth does not feel defensive. Sending genetically engineered dinosaurs into battle makes them look like savages, not scientists. That's the sort of thing you've expect the Gorn to do, not the Voth.
If you want defensive, try giving them some uber-powerful defense shield or something that you have to actually think your way through.
I do not think it makes them look savage. Does the Jem'hadar make the Dominion look like savages? No, it makes them look crazy smart (allbeit morally grey). Why send real people into combat when you can genetically engineer disposable clones? In this case the voth are doing the same thing, only they are adding the shock and awe factor of a freakin' dino with lasers on it's head!
Plus, sending in fodder is in a way a very defensive move. It's kind of like during the Siege of AR-558 with the Jem'Hadar holograms. The Voth send in a few test tube dinos with lasers. The dinos might lose, but you know how strong your opponent is, you probably did some serious damage without risking "real" assets, and as an added bonus your oppenents just wet their pants.
I also think it's odd that people are complaining about the dinosaurs, but no one questioned the Klingon targ handlers who continuously beam down more targs as you kill them... the only difference with the Voth is they were smart enough to arm and armor their version so that it's not just an alien puppy getting blasted to death with a phaser.
I for one want to tell the devs how awesome the Voth are looking. They seem like they are going to be awesome. When I first heard they were adding the Voth I was worried they would end up like the Borg, suposedly really powerful, yet we don't really have that much trouble with them. The proof will be in trying it out, but so far the Voth are looking to live up to the fact they are crazy far ahead of the Apha Quadrent powers in terms of technology. My only worry would be that it might end up being too easy to fight the Voth. They should be able to kick our butts.
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considering that they either stab and gut you or shoot you with a gun that uses anti-coagulants to make you bleed out to death in the most slow painful way possible
YES!
But no aside from crimes against the universe here and there their "just some good ol boys never meaning no harm" :P ((lol sorry I had to go there but I got this image of two jem'hadar in the general lee))
One thing that hasn't been touched on; what is the current "geopolitical" situation in the Delta Quadrant? The only thing we know for certain is that a resurgent Borg collective have struck back more aggressive than ever, having seemingly assimilated the machine world that V'Ger came from. As Arturis' species can attest to, after Species 8472, the Borg often come back swinging when they're on the back foot, so the current landscape that the Voth occupy may have changed more dramatically than first thought since Voyager encountered them last.
I'm going to be honest, Season 8 looks like it is terrible.
Every ground enemy we've ever faced is dumb as a rock, so did cryptic fix their horrible AI? I doubt it, if they did they could make the rest of the game's AI actually decent instead of introducing a new species seen just once.
We'll be soloing laser welding Trexs in no time, its how it is.
Captains, I encourage you to read the blog first, instead of looking at images and basing judgement off them only. The Voth bio-engineered these Dinosaurs; considering their history and origins, they wouldn't be bio-engineering dogs and cats.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Why didn't they bio-engineer a freakin blue whale so it could fly and drop bombs on people? or make a prehistoric mobile man eating tree with a rocket launcher while they were at it?
And I mean think of it, we could be stuck with a season based on ferengi or pakleds *flees*
I'll take voth anyday.
But heres a tiny hint I would like to see the Krenim and Devore at some point please
Or fighting against Kazon on the Dyson Sphere.
I see Season 8 as the way we get into the Delta Quadrant so various Delta Quadrant species will be introduced eventually. Maybe in Season 9 do a mission so that we can escape the Dyson Sphere. As far as the Krenim goes, it is tough to judge whether they would be an enemy or not. As far as the Federation knows, they had a 10 second conversation with Voyager and it was a friendly interaction.
Unfortunately that is just the downside of game development, this would be the case no matter what "unusual" enemy type they wanted to add to the game, be it cowboys, TRIBBLE or Neelix. If all we did was say I don't want "X" enemy group because they're silly, or I don't like them, because we'll be fighting them for the next six months, then we'd probably only ever add in the relatively "mundane" aspects from the show, which in the long run would be a shame. Star Trek was always entertaining in that it could go from serious drama to batsh*t insanity from one week to the next.
I don't disagree but I'll reiterate that I think a season spent on ship interiors, building them as a versatile set or even a season spent on the Enterprise-F as an adventure zone or the like would be solid. I think they need a set that functions as a gateway for budget content and have a couple people on the content team doing that alongside the larger focus on big season events so that we can go back and forth between the big twice a year gimmicks and a standard, fairly recognizable Star Trek setting that can act as a contrast to the big brain breaking gimmicks.
Games like WoW may have big new dungeons all the time but they also tend to trickle content either into established zones or at least existing zones.
I think it added something to Wrath of the Lich King that missions would take you to Stormwind and Orgrimarr and Ungoro crater or even in Cataclysm that the new zones were situated around familiar places that you have to pass through. It lets people build psychological associations. This place is where that thing happened and now I'm going back by there. Places become home.
And it would be doubly meaningful to have that in very Trek distinct settings.
I am beginng to get used to the idea... but somehow I could have lived better with a Great Knarloc then a T Rex. It's too iconic. There are things that shouldn't be touched in a certain scenario.
I am actually surprised the Devs, as professionals, didn't see that T Rex and Star Trek aren't brought together that easily.
One thing that hasn't been touched on; what is the current "geopolitical" situation in the Delta Quadrant? The only thing we know for certain is that a resurgent Borg collective have struck back more aggressive than ever, having seemingly assimilated the machine world that V'Ger came from. As Arturis' species can attest to, after Species 8472, the Borg often come back swinging when they're on the back foot, so the current landscape that the Voth occupy may have changed more dramatically than first thought since Voyager encountered them last.
Well considering considering of the only two Federation Starships the races of the Delta quadrant have encountered one ship left behind a trail of bodies, lied to other races, invaded others territory, stole technology and committed and or allowed genocide all in an attempt to get home (the other ship being the poor unequipped USS Equinox) I imagine the races of the Delta Quadrant are arming themselves like crazy just in case more Starfleet show up.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
Something tells me you haven't fought the Voth yet.
...Guilty as charged. Being a Silver player, I've not yet had the chance to give 'em a spin; however, that doesn't change the fact that I think trained Dinos are a bad idea for a "defensive" race.
And consider for a moment, this is coming from a guy who has a Dino in his very username.
Well considering considering of the only two Federation Starships the races of the Delta quadrant have encountered one ship left behind a trail of bodies, lied to other races, invaded others territory, stole technology and committed and or allowed genocide all in an attempt to get home (the other ship being the poor unequipped USS Equinox) I imagine the races of the Delta Quadrant are arming themselves like crazy just in case more Starfleet show up.
And for all that Starfleet promoted Janeway to vice admiral. And people wonder how there can be so many "insane admirals" in Starfleet. :P
Well considering considering of the only two Federation Starships the races of the Delta quadrant have encountered one ship left behind a trail of bodies, lied to other races, invaded others territory, stole technology and committed and or allowed genocide all in an attempt to get home (the other ship being the poor unequipped USS Equinox) I imagine the races of the Delta Quadrant are arming themselves like crazy just in case more Starfleet show up.
Really though you must have been watching some crazy mirror universe version cause the only ship and crew that fits the bad description is the Equinox.
Really though you must have been watching some crazy mirror universe version cause the only ship and crew that fits the bad description is the Equinox.
Voyager did do things that, looking back, weren't what I'd imagine Starfleet would've put up with from ships operating in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Voyager often violated other species territory to get home which itself is a violation of the Prime Directive they so often liked to quote from.
And even when they did get permission to cross it, they usually found a way to break said civilisations laws in some fashion, yet shrug it off as a justification for getting home quicker, or just projecting their views onto other cultures, which I might add they had no right to do, no matter how much they may have disagreed with them.
In the second paragraph you stated that the Voth's "...cloaking technology was an advanced form of phasing not seen in the Alpha Quadrant". I hope and suspect that you are aware of the fact that Starfleet secretly developed the 'Phasing Cloak' device which of course was in breach of the treaty of Algeron.
As for the Voth species, they are largely xenophobic, very proud of their abilities & achievements, highly ritualistic and of course follow a matriarchal structure (to borrow a phrase from the show)...Thus their technology has evolved in that manner. For them to use dinosaurs as foot soldiers is like humans using cavemen as cannon fodder...AND it would PROVE the "Distant Origin" theory to be true; which the Voth council is VERY much against validating.
IF, and I do say IF; these Voth were a splinter group from the main Voth species (that believe in Distant Origin), then it MAY be feasible for this group to use such creations like dinosaurs to fight...considering a splinter group would be smaller in size from the main group that are against 'distant origin' and would therefore be more open minded in using different methods for defence and attack.
Otherwise, keep up the great work. I look forward to playing season 8. Cheers.
Kindest Regards,
I'll be blankly honest, the dinosaur thing is an issue that will most likely result in me uninstalling STO and leaving the game, which is sad, since I've been here since closed beta. As some others pointed out earleir in this thread, if they were in 1 episode in the game it wouldn't be so bad, but when they are going to be the primary content in the game for the next 6 months it just becomes too much. Sure, TOS had some crazy themes, such as space TRIBBLE, but it was 1 episode, it wasn't what the focus of the series was on, with the Voth however, the focus of the game will primarily be fighting dinosaurs, it just doesn't feel Trek to me, just as it doesn't feel Trek to me to goto Earth Spacedock and see Starfleet fleets made up of more non-faction ships than faction ships, this to me, is just a tipping point.
If it is absolutley needed to have the dinosaurs in the game, then I'd remove the armour from them. I think I could actually handle seeing raptors and T-rex's with the Voth, I'm not arguing that it is not possable due to thier origins, what is rubbing me up the wrong way is them been covered with armour and firing lasers from thier heads, it's overkill and whilst it may be awesome in other IP's, it just pushs the game past the tipping point for me :-(
Very well put. I agree on everything. I have been playing for awhile also. And although I think adding the Voth is a unique idea, one that I do not disagree with. The whole fighting dinosaurs is kinda ughh for me. Not because they are dinosaurs but it just does not feel like Trek at all. Not only that but, to me the Voth seemed so far beyond having to engineer creatures to do their bidding. I mean didnt they even neglect the fact of the Distant Origin Theory? Why would they go back to that very same theory and basically upend their own culture by saying, "oh yea these bio-engineered dinosaurs that kinda sorta look like our ancestors!? Pay no attention to them. Just do your duty."
To me there was always a certain air of difference to Trek that no other series had. The nuances. Yes, there were definitely a few wtf episodes here and there.
I also agree with you about the warping into ESD and seeing Romulan, Reman, Dominion, Elachi, etc.. This game is really close to me uninstalling and calling it a day.
"Diplomacy! The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank!"
In the second paragraph you stated that the Voth's "...cloaking technology was an advanced form of phasing not seen in the Alpha Quadrant". I hope and suspect that you are aware of the fact that Starfleet secretly developed the 'Phasing Cloak' device which of course was in breach of the treaty of Algeron.
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So? The Voth's cloak is still beyond the wildest dreams of Federation science.
The Feds tried to develop a phase cloak, so did the Romulans.
Both attemps didn't exactly suceed, and even if they did up to 2409, the technology is still inferior to the Voth's 20 million or so years perfected phase cloaks.
As for the Voth species, they are largely xenophobic, very proud of their abilities & achievements, highly ritualistic and of course follow a matriarchal structure (to borrow a phrase from the show)...Thus their technology has evolved in that manner. For them to use dinosaurs as foot soldiers is like humans using cavemen as cannon fodder...AND it would PROVE the "Distant Origin" theory to be true; which the Voth council is VERY much against validating.
The two things aren't necessarily connected.
The Voth themselves are as much proof as their battle Dinosaurs. They are just acting on the basis that the entire evolution of their species took place on another world (in the Delta Quadrant).
Dinosaurs they may have taken with them from Earth (or maybe the Preservers transplanted them with an entire ecosystem?) belong to this very concept.
So for the Voth, the dinosaurs are no problem at all. Not any more or less then themselves.
I'm a lifer and have been playing since the game came out. This game has tended to drift away from Star Trek and into realms that have been previously mentioned on this thread and others. I want to keep an open mind because I love this game and Star Trek, but...
Dinosaurs with frikken laser beams on the heads??? Oh come on, please! What the heck are you doing to our game???
Of all the species, or all the alien creatures, of all scenes of Voth in Voyager, where the TRIBBLE is this coming from and couldn't you have chosen a more Star Trek oriented opponent without turning this into a joke or a child's game? Season 7 was great; Season 8 looks and sounds ridiculous.
Please, please change it now before it's too late! :eek::(
One thing that hasn't been touched on; what is the current "geopolitical" situation in the Delta Quadrant? The only thing we know for certain is that a resurgent Borg collective have struck back more aggressive than ever, having seemingly assimilated the machine world that V'Ger came from. As Arturis' species can attest to, after Species 8472, the Borg often come back swinging when they're on the back foot, so the current landscape that the Voth occupy may have changed more dramatically than first thought since Voyager encountered them last.
The Voth were said to be one of two species the Q Continuum was thinking of setting up to fight the Borg Collective. Guess who the other one was? *Whistles while pointing at Earth*
I doubt much as changed as it seems the Borg have their sights set firmly on the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...probably because Starfleet keeps throwing new tricks at them that stump the Borg and the Collective just can't seem to figure out how a bunch of individual minds are beating back their power. Resistance is supposed to be futile dang it! :P Poor Borg.
Also, it would make sense. The best defense is a good offense and The Voth may use them as Shocktroops to either test a new foe to see what they bring or to scare them off. I am willing to bet the Hirogen steer clear of Voth ships and outposts for this very reason. Their tech is far behind the Voth.
If I may ask the Devs (DStalh or someone else)...did the Voth have anything to do with the fall of the Iconians? I could easily see the Iconians pushing themselves too far and running into The Voth and that started up a massive Galaxy-wide War that saw the Voth punishing the Iconians with the fall of their homeworld via Orbital Bombardment and sending them running to the far ends of the Galaxy or beyond. Would go a long way towards cementing the idea that the Voth are defensive fighters if they were attacked by the Iconians and after that war decided to change and never get into that kind of conflict again without a very good reason. Instead of attacking to destroy...attacking to scare and make someone back off.
EDIT: Also, I want the T-rex as a combat pet...and a Mecha as something I can use in ground maps.
Voyager did do things that, looking back, weren't what I'd imagine Starfleet would've put up with from ships operating in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Voyager often violated other species territory to get home which itself is a violation of the Prime Directive they so often liked to quote from.
And even when they did get permission to cross it, they usually found a way to break said civilisations laws in some fashion, yet shrug it off as a justification for getting home quicker, or just projecting their views onto other cultures, which I might add they had no right to do, no matter how much they may have disagreed with them.[/QUOTE]
I give this warning before my response it is long but warrented with proof
Holy wall of text Batman!
without going off this topic too much. I have to agree to disagree with those points as they seem to be personal opinion without links to back up said claim.
the episode (caretaker) the array was destroyed, was it the federations no, but it didn't belong to the kazon either. In the episode (alliances)they tried to forge a alliance with the trabe since all the kazon wanted was to take voyagers technology to rule the quadrent. they didn't know that the trabe were no better. when they found out the setup of the trabe they warned the kazon and told the trabe to take a flying leap.
In ('Scorpion, Scorpion Part II) Voyager made a alliance with the borg since 8472 tried to kill them both which the borg broke when they tried to assimilate voyager. In (Dark Frontier) they "stole a transwarp coil from a damaged borg ship yes I would too considering the borg like to take people and put gears in their heads I don't feel a shread of sorrow. :P In (The Voyager Conspiracy). they used alien tech with permission to cut down time
(Concerning Flight) they went to a alien planet to retrieve their ships computer which had been stolen. (the chute) Yes they invaded another species space but their crew had been wrongly convicted by a dictatorship. I ask which captain would not do the same to save his/her crew.
Yes in (counterpoint) they violated the law of another culture that said telepaths were dangerous and evil cause that could read minds and needed to be killed aka genocide by hiding tuvok and other alien telepaths in transporter stasis but really who would turn over his crew member to someone like that? you got to be ridiculous to base a whole opinion on one episode. And yes they killed some borg along the way, yes they invaded the borgs transwarp hub in (endgame) and blew up a bunch of their ships destroyed their hub and their queen. But really give me a break the borg have no legs to stand on for invading someone elses space.
In the episode (30 days) paris was confined to the brig and reduced in rank for violating the prime directive to try to save a planet from pollution so again don't see that no discipline was given there are other instances of crew being disciplined for trying to do things like this. In (year of hell part 2) the ending they were denied passage through krenim space and they listened
In (Persistence of Vision) they left bothan space after they tried to lure voyager on false pretences
and look up all the names of these episodes on memory alpha the facts are there
End of story got proof of genocide, invading other planets, killing needlessly, or violating the rights of others show proof and the whole story or go home :cool:
I'm not really sure what the problem with "dinosaurs in space" is when the Voth are basically evolved dinosaurs in space. Seriously.
As everyone else who had ever seen Star Trek has pointed out, this is probably one of the lesser of the so-called silly things you could see in Star Trek, and we might have seen something like it sooner if not for Star Trek's limited budget on TV.
My only criticism might be that they look *too* close to how we perceive dinosaurs to have looked like in our reality's past, but then again it's also for fun, which I think a few of you take far too seriously.
In the end, "I'm leaving this game over dinosaurs in space!" is probably even sillier. Star Trek is about a lot of things, but one of the running themes is "infinite diversity breeds infinite combinations," which suggests that ANYTHING is possible. Open up your imagination and relax...it's Star Trek.
just as it doesn't feel Trek to me to goto Earth Spacedock and see Starfleet fleets made up of more non-faction ships than faction ships, this to me, is just a tipping point.
it's overkill and whilst it may be awesome in other IP's, it just pushs the game past the tipping point for me :-(
Totally agree. Ships are a big problem now. Imagine if they give away a T-Rex pet and you have about 40 T-Rex's running around taking a **** all over ESD's interior. STO was over the line already but this is ridiculous now.
I'll be blankly honest, the dinosaur thing is an issue that will most likely result in me uninstalling STO and leaving the game, which is sad, since I've been here since closed beta. As some others pointed out earleir in this thread, if they were in 1 episode in the game it wouldn't be so bad, but when they are going to be the primary content in the game for the next 6 months it just becomes too much. Sure, TOS had some crazy themes, such as space TRIBBLE, but it was 1 episode, it wasn't what the focus of the series was on, with the Voth however, the focus of the game will primarily be fighting dinosaurs, it just doesn't feel Trek to me, just as it doesn't feel Trek to me to goto Earth Spacedock and see Starfleet fleets made up of more non-faction ships than faction ships, this to me, is just a tipping point.
If it is absolutley needed to have the dinosaurs in the game, then I'd remove the armour from them. I think I could actually handle seeing raptors and T-rex's with the Voth, I'm not arguing that it is not possable due to thier origins, what is rubbing me up the wrong way is them been covered with armour and firing lasers from thier heads, it's overkill and whilst it may be awesome in other IP's, it just pushs the game past the tipping point for me :-(
*nods*
Ironically I will be upgrading my system to Windows 8.1 on Thursday; therefore, "Star Trek: Online" will be automatically uninstalled during the process. When I saw the article with the armored dinosaurs, the last of my passion for "Star Trek: Online" faded into oblivion. I have become disillusioned by the endless grinding, high requirements needed for buying gear, 20 hour long cool down timers, etc... Since my attention has been waning for some time, I forgot when I last had fun in "Star Trek: Online". Cryptic adding dinos in space is making me cringe.
Even though some episodes of "Star Trek: TOS" contained weird species, the reality is that they didn't necessarily work out well. I think many of the other "Star Trek" series also contained hit or miss concepts. When something won over the fan base, the writers would bring the concept back again. Out of all the species that were created, the Vulcans, Klingons, and Romulans were the only ones that made it to "The Next Generation" era. We never saw the Andorians, Tholians, Gorn, and Abraham Lincoln ever again.
...and, that is also why "Star Trek" should not have been rebooted.
I'm not really sure what the problem with "dinosaurs in space" is when the Voth are basically evolved dinosaurs in space. Seriously.
As everyone else who had ever seen Star Trek has pointed out, this is probably one of the lesser of the so-called silly things you could see in Star Trek, and we might have seen something like it sooner if not for Star Trek's limited budget on TV..
Star Trek had some bad episodes, raptors with laser beams and armor is about as bad as Janeway turning into a salamander catfish hybrid and some how being restored back to normal afterwards.
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All I want is some freaking sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads. LOL. Yea, laser-wielding dinos will be interesting. But it may be better than a Giant Gorn picking up a chunk of dirt in the middle of a metal hallway...
And I mean think of it, we could be stuck with a season based on ferengi or pakleds *flees*
I'll take voth anyday.
But heres a tiny hint I would like to see the Krenim and Devore at some point please
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I do not think it makes them look savage. Does the Jem'hadar make the Dominion look like savages? No, it makes them look crazy smart (allbeit morally grey). Why send real people into combat when you can genetically engineer disposable clones? In this case the voth are doing the same thing, only they are adding the shock and awe factor of a freakin' dino with lasers on it's head!
Plus, sending in fodder is in a way a very defensive move. It's kind of like during the Siege of AR-558 with the Jem'Hadar holograms. The Voth send in a few test tube dinos with lasers. The dinos might lose, but you know how strong your opponent is, you probably did some serious damage without risking "real" assets, and as an added bonus your oppenents just wet their pants.
I also think it's odd that people are complaining about the dinosaurs, but no one questioned the Klingon targ handlers who continuously beam down more targs as you kill them... the only difference with the Voth is they were smart enough to arm and armor their version so that it's not just an alien puppy getting blasted to death with a phaser.
I for one want to tell the devs how awesome the Voth are looking. They seem like they are going to be awesome. When I first heard they were adding the Voth I was worried they would end up like the Borg, suposedly really powerful, yet we don't really have that much trouble with them. The proof will be in trying it out, but so far the Voth are looking to live up to the fact they are crazy far ahead of the Apha Quadrent powers in terms of technology. My only worry would be that it might end up being too easy to fight the Voth. They should be able to kick our butts.
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I will be playing this theme while fighting those robo-dinos and you can't stop me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9Wg03arxQ
Every ground enemy we've ever faced is dumb as a rock, so did cryptic fix their horrible AI? I doubt it, if they did they could make the rest of the game's AI actually decent instead of introducing a new species seen just once.
We'll be soloing laser welding Trexs in no time, its how it is.
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Why didn't they bio-engineer a freakin blue whale so it could fly and drop bombs on people? or make a prehistoric mobile man eating tree with a rocket launcher while they were at it?
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Or fighting against Kazon on the Dyson Sphere.
I see Season 8 as the way we get into the Delta Quadrant so various Delta Quadrant species will be introduced eventually. Maybe in Season 9 do a mission so that we can escape the Dyson Sphere. As far as the Krenim goes, it is tough to judge whether they would be an enemy or not. As far as the Federation knows, they had a 10 second conversation with Voyager and it was a friendly interaction.
I don't disagree but I'll reiterate that I think a season spent on ship interiors, building them as a versatile set or even a season spent on the Enterprise-F as an adventure zone or the like would be solid. I think they need a set that functions as a gateway for budget content and have a couple people on the content team doing that alongside the larger focus on big season events so that we can go back and forth between the big twice a year gimmicks and a standard, fairly recognizable Star Trek setting that can act as a contrast to the big brain breaking gimmicks.
Games like WoW may have big new dungeons all the time but they also tend to trickle content either into established zones or at least existing zones.
I think it added something to Wrath of the Lich King that missions would take you to Stormwind and Orgrimarr and Ungoro crater or even in Cataclysm that the new zones were situated around familiar places that you have to pass through. It lets people build psychological associations. This place is where that thing happened and now I'm going back by there. Places become home.
And it would be doubly meaningful to have that in very Trek distinct settings.
I am actually surprised the Devs, as professionals, didn't see that T Rex and Star Trek aren't brought together that easily.
In my opinion, it's just bad taste.
Well considering considering of the only two Federation Starships the races of the Delta quadrant have encountered one ship left behind a trail of bodies, lied to other races, invaded others territory, stole technology and committed and or allowed genocide all in an attempt to get home (the other ship being the poor unequipped USS Equinox) I imagine the races of the Delta Quadrant are arming themselves like crazy just in case more Starfleet show up.
And consider for a moment, this is coming from a guy who has a Dino in his very username.
And for all that Starfleet promoted Janeway to vice admiral. And people wonder how there can be so many "insane admirals" in Starfleet. :P
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Captain ransom? I didn't know you survived. :P
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Really though you must have been watching some crazy mirror universe version cause the only ship and crew that fits the bad description is the Equinox.
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Voyager did do things that, looking back, weren't what I'd imagine Starfleet would've put up with from ships operating in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Voyager often violated other species territory to get home which itself is a violation of the Prime Directive they so often liked to quote from.
And even when they did get permission to cross it, they usually found a way to break said civilisations laws in some fashion, yet shrug it off as a justification for getting home quicker, or just projecting their views onto other cultures, which I might add they had no right to do, no matter how much they may have disagreed with them.
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In the second paragraph you stated that the Voth's "...cloaking technology was an advanced form of phasing not seen in the Alpha Quadrant". I hope and suspect that you are aware of the fact that Starfleet secretly developed the 'Phasing Cloak' device which of course was in breach of the treaty of Algeron.
As for the Voth species, they are largely xenophobic, very proud of their abilities & achievements, highly ritualistic and of course follow a matriarchal structure (to borrow a phrase from the show)...Thus their technology has evolved in that manner. For them to use dinosaurs as foot soldiers is like humans using cavemen as cannon fodder...AND it would PROVE the "Distant Origin" theory to be true; which the Voth council is VERY much against validating.
IF, and I do say IF; these Voth were a splinter group from the main Voth species (that believe in Distant Origin), then it MAY be feasible for this group to use such creations like dinosaurs to fight...considering a splinter group would be smaller in size from the main group that are against 'distant origin' and would therefore be more open minded in using different methods for defence and attack.
Otherwise, keep up the great work. I look forward to playing season 8. Cheers.
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Neil M
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Very well put. I agree on everything. I have been playing for awhile also. And although I think adding the Voth is a unique idea, one that I do not disagree with. The whole fighting dinosaurs is kinda ughh for me. Not because they are dinosaurs but it just does not feel like Trek at all. Not only that but, to me the Voth seemed so far beyond having to engineer creatures to do their bidding. I mean didnt they even neglect the fact of the Distant Origin Theory? Why would they go back to that very same theory and basically upend their own culture by saying, "oh yea these bio-engineered dinosaurs that kinda sorta look like our ancestors!? Pay no attention to them. Just do your duty."
To me there was always a certain air of difference to Trek that no other series had. The nuances. Yes, there were definitely a few wtf episodes here and there.
I also agree with you about the warping into ESD and seeing Romulan, Reman, Dominion, Elachi, etc.. This game is really close to me uninstalling and calling it a day.
So? The Voth's cloak is still beyond the wildest dreams of Federation science.
The Feds tried to develop a phase cloak, so did the Romulans.
Both attemps didn't exactly suceed, and even if they did up to 2409, the technology is still inferior to the Voth's 20 million or so years perfected phase cloaks.
The two things aren't necessarily connected.
The Voth themselves are as much proof as their battle Dinosaurs. They are just acting on the basis that the entire evolution of their species took place on another world (in the Delta Quadrant).
Dinosaurs they may have taken with them from Earth (or maybe the Preservers transplanted them with an entire ecosystem?) belong to this very concept.
So for the Voth, the dinosaurs are no problem at all. Not any more or less then themselves.
Dinosaurs with frikken laser beams on the heads??? Oh come on, please! What the heck are you doing to our game???
Of all the species, or all the alien creatures, of all scenes of Voth in Voyager, where the TRIBBLE is this coming from and couldn't you have chosen a more Star Trek oriented opponent without turning this into a joke or a child's game? Season 7 was great; Season 8 looks and sounds ridiculous.
Please, please change it now before it's too late! :eek::(
Gotta stop now, getting disgusted.
TEAM ROCKET BLAST OFF AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT!
Thank you! So do I with the whiners.
The Voth were said to be one of two species the Q Continuum was thinking of setting up to fight the Borg Collective. Guess who the other one was? *Whistles while pointing at Earth*
I doubt much as changed as it seems the Borg have their sights set firmly on the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...probably because Starfleet keeps throwing new tricks at them that stump the Borg and the Collective just can't seem to figure out how a bunch of individual minds are beating back their power. Resistance is supposed to be futile dang it! :P Poor Borg.
Also, it would make sense. The best defense is a good offense and The Voth may use them as Shocktroops to either test a new foe to see what they bring or to scare them off. I am willing to bet the Hirogen steer clear of Voth ships and outposts for this very reason. Their tech is far behind the Voth.
If I may ask the Devs (DStalh or someone else)...did the Voth have anything to do with the fall of the Iconians? I could easily see the Iconians pushing themselves too far and running into The Voth and that started up a massive Galaxy-wide War that saw the Voth punishing the Iconians with the fall of their homeworld via Orbital Bombardment and sending them running to the far ends of the Galaxy or beyond. Would go a long way towards cementing the idea that the Voth are defensive fighters if they were attacked by the Iconians and after that war decided to change and never get into that kind of conflict again without a very good reason. Instead of attacking to destroy...attacking to scare and make someone back off.
EDIT: Also, I want the T-rex as a combat pet...and a Mecha as something I can use in ground maps.
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As everyone else who had ever seen Star Trek has pointed out, this is probably one of the lesser of the so-called silly things you could see in Star Trek, and we might have seen something like it sooner if not for Star Trek's limited budget on TV.
My only criticism might be that they look *too* close to how we perceive dinosaurs to have looked like in our reality's past, but then again it's also for fun, which I think a few of you take far too seriously.
In the end, "I'm leaving this game over dinosaurs in space!" is probably even sillier. Star Trek is about a lot of things, but one of the running themes is "infinite diversity breeds infinite combinations," which suggests that ANYTHING is possible. Open up your imagination and relax...it's Star Trek.
Totally agree. Ships are a big problem now. Imagine if they give away a T-Rex pet and you have about 40 T-Rex's running around taking a **** all over ESD's interior. STO was over the line already but this is ridiculous now.
Ironically I will be upgrading my system to Windows 8.1 on Thursday; therefore, "Star Trek: Online" will be automatically uninstalled during the process. When I saw the article with the armored dinosaurs, the last of my passion for "Star Trek: Online" faded into oblivion. I have become disillusioned by the endless grinding, high requirements needed for buying gear, 20 hour long cool down timers, etc... Since my attention has been waning for some time, I forgot when I last had fun in "Star Trek: Online". Cryptic adding dinos in space is making me cringe.
Even though some episodes of "Star Trek: TOS" contained weird species, the reality is that they didn't necessarily work out well. I think many of the other "Star Trek" series also contained hit or miss concepts. When something won over the fan base, the writers would bring the concept back again. Out of all the species that were created, the Vulcans, Klingons, and Romulans were the only ones that made it to "The Next Generation" era. We never saw the Andorians, Tholians, Gorn, and Abraham Lincoln ever again.
...and, that is also why "Star Trek" should not have been rebooted.
What can I say? I hate the dinos.
Star Trek had some bad episodes, raptors with laser beams and armor is about as bad as Janeway turning into a salamander catfish hybrid and some how being restored back to normal afterwards.
Just bad writing, bad ideas, bad bad bad.
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