Space TRIBBLE, space Romans, space gangsters, space Greek gods, Kirk being rode like a horse, a virus that gets you drunk, a virus that turns you old, space hippies, a probe that talks to whales, Spock having no brain...not silly :rolleyes:
:cool:
Dinosaurs with lasers are a perfect fitting for StarTrek.
If you don't think so than you aren't a ST fan and should watch more episodes of STclassic
I am ok with the Voth per se, but the raptors and especially the exosuits are just too much.
It feels more like some silly cartoonish WOW thing than Star Trek IMO.
But i am sure if a dev would be adressed about it, they wouldn't see any problem with it.
We look forward to seeing what strategies you' will come up with when fighting Voth...
The only thing i will probably try to do is to avoid them altogether...
I would have liked to see the Voth to be a mini faction of peaceful Explorers.
Unlike the Federation in STO which is too much militarized, they could have been a science heavy faction, with some really nice looking but combat heavy ships.
(similar to how the Federation was shown in early TNG)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
This is not star trek and no one can tell me otherwise
And we have Gene Roddenberry with us. So Gene, explain to us what exactly your vision for what Star Trek is and is not, because I think a number of us are simply confused. I know, you seem to think if we disagree with you, we're just Cryptic fangrrls, and we'll accept anything and we can't think for ourselves and think maybe this is Star Trek and all but I'm confused.
Please tell me at what point even you thought some things may be too outlandish, because after watching TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9, (oh and the cartoons as well) and seeing everything that you and you're inheritors have thrown at us, I'd love to know why you think this is too outlandish.
If you force feed people garbage long enough they will convince themselves they actually like it and will not ask for anything more then they are given.
Few see the stupidity of the dinos in space them of season 8 everyone else has convinced themselves this is great.
because cryptic has force fed them so much garbage over the years they have become accustomed to it and convince themselves its great when it is not.
when a community gets to the point where they accept anything given them no matter how crappy it is thats when stuff like this starts coming out.
This is not star trek and no one can tell me otherwise before i started playing this game i was told it was not trek at all i did not beleive the people who told me...i do now.
So you don't like it and that's your opinion, but people that do genuinely like it are wrong and just brainwashed into liking it?
get off your high horse...or at least your high dino
Your version of the Voth does not feel defensive. Sending genetically engineered dinosaurs into battle makes them look like savages, not scientists. That's the sort of thing you've expect the Gorn to do, not the Voth.
Hey! As a part time Gorn player, I take offense at this statement. Gorn are in fact the brains of the KDF. Why do you think all KDF science ships are Gorn ships?
Hmm the Voth became an intelligent species around 60 million years ago. Their tech is far more advanced than anything the Feds or Klingons can come up with. And yet you are supposed to fight them... and win. To me this is far more unrealistic and silly than bio engineered dinosaurs firing laser beams from their heads.
Wasn't one the films focused around going back in time to save whales, In order to communicate with a space probe that threatened to destroy earth unless a whale spoke to it?
Hmm the Voth became an intelligent species around 60 million years ago. Their tech is far more advanced than anything the Feds or Klingons can come up with. And yet you are supposed to fight them... and win. To me this is far more unrealistic and silly than bio engineered dinosaurs firing laser beams from their heads.
The devs mentioned it in a blog, and it was mentioned briefly in Voyager, but while they've been around 60 million years, their Doctrine does not allow them to progress quickly. Each and every advance needs to be balanced and argued theologically before it's even considered to go towards the drawing board.
During Voyager, they were more advanced, but not unbelievably so when compared to Starfleet Tech. It kind of makes sense that if Starfleet was slightly less advanced 100 years ago, they'd be roughly equal now, considering how fast Starfleet and the KDF advance tech.
This is probably what annoys me the most about this whole scenario.
I mean, okay, STO's Starfleet has progressed technologically, but I've seen no evidence that their tech is as advanced as the Voth's - we certainly can't transport entire Starships!
What weapons do their ships use? What energy type? We didn't find out in 'Distant Origin' because they didn't use said weapons. And why was that? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO! It would have been a waste of their time and energy. This is a race that beamed an entire STARSHIP into a 'hold' on their city ship and then rendered it completely powerless.
Seriously - the Voth should be laughing at us, because IF they still had the abilities that they had in 'Distant Origin' Starfleet really wouldn't be much of, if any, threat to them at all.
Agreed, they pretty much ignored Voyagers shields, beamed her into their ship and then rendered her useless by taking over the ship remotely..
Not one weapon was fired, and Voyager was defenceless. I very much doubt Federation tech has moved on enough to beat that lol
Agreed, they pretty much ignored Voyagers shields, beamed her into their ship and then rendered her useless by taking over the ship remotely..
Not one weapon was fired, and Voyager was defenceless. I very much doubt Federation tech has moved on enough to beat that lol
And the Federation taking on vastly more advanced civilizations in war, and winning never made it into anything canon. It's not like Voyager didn't destroy the Borg queen, the Enterprise took on Nero's ship, oh lets not forget not only beating the Borg once, but multiple times in both the series and movies, oh and of course the Dominion war as well. It's probably why it's not a Federation task to fight the Voth, but an alliance of Federation, Klingon, and Romulan, an alliance that was capable of fighting off a vastly superior technological and military Dominion, and the Dominion wanted to win. The Voth just want us to leave them alone.
Plus, Voyager made it home, with its database intact, which means the Federation has probably been working on ways to counter the Voth and what the Voyager went through, so it's not like the Federation isn't aware of what the Voth can do.
And that's just canon. Lets not even add in the Elachi, continual contact with the Borg and the addition of Borg technology in almost every Federation ship out there, the Undine threat, the Iconians being even more of a pain in the neck, the return of the Dominion and the return of minor diplomatic ties with them that has been introduced in STO.
So actually, considering it's been a known Star Trek theme that the Federation always wins against greater odds, and the technological advances that the Federation and the KDF has experienced, as well as it's an alliance against the Voth, not just the Federation, an alliance that in canon was pretty much able to defeat almost anything thrown against it, why is this such a stretch?
I want to fight Dinos more than I wanted NR in the game.
I thinking I will be needing one of those Mechanical Exosuits.
The experience needs to be something like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaBHCuxqhA
So I saw somewhere season 9 is going to introduce a planet named morder and during our missions there we have to steal the 1.1 ring and help a buncha hubbets
ya know that's what I heard ........:P
but seriously in trek almost anything is possible and before you pass judgement try the content out and as they say no one is holding phaser to your head makingyou play the game afterall
C`mon first its about crossfaction ships with breen 1st officers and jemhadar boffs and an unrealistic aproach to the war between feds and klinks who suddenly join agains a bigger threat while keeping ion fighting each other and now your comming up with dinosaurs???
I have to say it bluntly, i hate the idea. Trek was about exploration, space battles and moral discussion where you learnt something new everyday, the joy was in understanding and striving for a greater cause while trying to get away from thenbegative side in all of us.
Sure it sounds a bit dull but thats what made trick big. Sci fi effects and moral plays in a starship.
I know today things have to be darker and more combat centric as this sells best asfar as were being told by basicly all games on the market now and movies.
However, that game, that sto thing used to be fun, now it more and more degenerates into something utterly childish.
This isnt star wars with magic forces and little kids wielding glowsticks and jumping 50 foot gaps.
This is meant to be star trek, you know , the sci fi for grown ups, you know those who ave jobs and earmn money to spend on a game like sto.
Alot of your paying customers arent 12 anymore.
While im all for creativity, this is unoriginal and fails to give the voth uniqueness, it just makes them silly.
I know its a game, and it isnt there to be taken too seriously, sure, i get that.
We come here to have fun, and most seem to have fun blowing things up in space, enjoying an episode or a nice little foundry mission. Some dig the grinding because theywant the best stuff available.
Some have fun in pvp blowing each other up. So what, lots of fun in all of those.
Fun would be a game with less bugs, a wee bit more customization on the things that actually matter for gameplay and well thought out stories that not only tickles the trigger finger but also the mind.
I will give it a try but im quite upset about this stuff so i doubt i can enjoy it enough to play it more than once. My Zen will definitly only go to ships or dill for other stuff than this or as tips for some well made foundry missions.
Captains, I encourage you to read the blog first, instead of looking at images and basing judgement off them only. The Voth bio-engineered these Dinosaurs; considering their history and origins, they wouldn't be bio-engineering dogs and cats.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
My personal issue is it feels like a race as advanced as the Voth wouldn't have any requirement to engage in a conventional military sense especially to combat 'lower lifeforms', and this may have been an interesting thing to encounter. And then on top of this, the idea they'd use animals in combat seems terribly inefficient, as pointed out, its like Starfleet breeding war monkeys. Even when getting their hands dirty, there was no hint of a military, this seems like a very strange extrapolation.
On the other hand, we have limited knowledge of the Voth, and Doctrine and all that may dictate that they combat foes in such a way. Also, the whole plot (and its holes) were pretty mad anyway and most importantly, I'm really interested to see what you guys are able to do with them.
Hmm the Voth became an intelligent species around 60 million years ago. Their tech is far more advanced than anything the Feds or Klingons can come up with. And yet you are supposed to fight them... and win.
This is probably what annoys me the most about this whole scenario.
I mean, okay, STO's Starfleet has progressed technologically, but I've seen no evidence that their tech is as advanced as the Voth's - we certainly can't transport entire Starships!
What weapons do their ships use? What energy type? We didn't find out in 'Distant Origin' because they didn't use said weapons. And why was that? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO! It would have been a waste of their time and energy. This is a race that beamed an entire STARSHIP into a 'hold' on their city ship and then rendered it completely powerless.
Seriously - the Voth should be laughing at us, because IF they still had the abilities that they had in 'Distant Origin' Starfleet really wouldn't be much of, if any, threat to them at all.
Nothing about "...Dinosaurs with frikkin' Lazers on Their Heads..." screams a well thought out translation of the Voyager epsiode.
"While they vastly outstripped Voyager?s level of technology,..." and still you will deteriorate them to another NPC-Rubbish.
Furthermore:
"Not all combatants in the Voth force are so mundane, however! The Voth have bred and trained creatures we would only recognize as dinosaurs to use on the field of battle:"
You said you have watched the episode?! And still you think they would breed mentally deficient dinosaurs for combat? THAT DOES NOT FIT THE VOTHS DOCTRINE OF BEING THE SUPERIOR SPECIES IN THE QUADRANT.
And still i have to wonder how someone can have the idea to implement combat dinosaur with lasers mounted to their head to a Star Trek game...*sigh
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Can we get energy type specific fleet tactical consoles? Please give them to us.
Will we get dinosaur pets with the inevitable Voth Lockbox? Yes, it is coming.
Oh! Will the Voth rep have special antiproton weapons?
Also, Dinosaurs with laser beams on their heads. Dr Evil will be proud.
But...the Voth do share a little similiarities with the Tau, as pointed above.
Plus some of their ships resemble the cruisers of Chaos a little, just melted and without the razor edges.
I wonder if they'll say "For the Greater Goooooood!" when I shoot them.
On the terms of IP, Star Trek is all about crazy dumb things on TV with technobabble. Whale probes, Spock's brain, space TRIBBLE, cat people, Picard not killing the borg when he could do it, even if it would have saved a bazillion lives.... so dinosaurs with lazers on their heads is nothing out of the ordinary.
Anyway, pretty cool season so far. The people who say this is too ludicrous for Star Trek obviously need to watch more of it.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
This is amazing and star trek has always had silly episodes in every serise this is trying to be ground and a little over the top at the same time, now the laser dinos may be a little extreem but also they're amazingly badass.
Cannot wait, cannon logics for this are streching it a bit but hey its new and fun looknig and i'm game.
But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet, Tread softly because you tread on my dreams
W.B. Yeats Lifer since beta its never been so good! So now can everyone chill this game is going in the right direction :P
Captains, I encourage you to read the blog first, instead of looking at images and basing judgement off them only. The Voth bio-engineered these Dinosaurs; considering their history and origins, they wouldn't be bio-engineering dogs and cats.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Regardless of people's personal opinions, for those that will stick around and play the game after the Season 8 launch, if we are going to grind out the rep for this, we will have to face the Voth. Reading the blog, I begin to wonder how the hell this is going to happen with all the tools at their disposal. Somehow I keep missing what we have that will counter this tech, or this force.
That said, if these new foes have indeed reptile like qualities, wouldn't they be affected by cryo devices? For example, would using Cryo Grenades, slow down these troops (all that are not in the mech suits), or cause additional damage (i/e lower defense properties?). Thinking about current reptiles on Earth... They are not very fond of the cold. Have we factored this into the development of this new enemy?
All I want is some freaking sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads. LOL. Yea, laser-wielding dinos will be interesting. But it may be better than a Giant Gorn picking up a chunk of dirt in the middle of a metal hallway...
Lol thats always made me laugh when i see it
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Captains, I encourage you to read the blog first, instead of looking at images and basing judgement off them only. The Voth bio-engineered these Dinosaurs; considering their history and origins, they wouldn't be bio-engineering dogs and cats.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Except the Voth never accepted that they came from Earth and got rid of evidence that they came from Earth when they adopted their current dogma sooo where did they get their dino DNA from?? I doubt Timmy Voth left Earth with is trusty pet T-Rex and his council of philosoraptors.
This is just a turn your brain off thing isn't it?
Soooo... it would be like humans bio-engineering battle monkeys?
I really like it...bold and different. Imagine what the dinosaurs would say about monkeys with laser on their heads....they would find that amusing from a saurus perspective.
Let's be more open minded and welcome ALL aliens....how far fetched were the aquatics from ENT when they had those mega ships and WHALES piloting it. Humans or bipedals is not the only race in a real Star Trek environment...let's not be egocentric...after all this is StraTrek not the Confedarate southern states of America
These look awesome, and i look forward to seeing them in action.
I would love to know why trek fans are so opposed to anything different or out of the norm though?
an alien race is doing something that seems totally alien to us. something we would never consider. so its clearly not star trek? i guess everyone just wants a human with a prosthetic forehead slapped onto them that acts like humans.
Cryptic, please continue to give us things we have not seen before. I for one enjoy pushing things beyond the established norm.
Is this the tech from Neverwinter? Are we getting dinosaur mounts? I for one don't want dinosaur mounts. If this game was for kids I could understand adding the dinosaurs, kids love dinosaurs, but really dinosaurs! Perhaps we need someone running STO that knows Star Trek and likes it. These stupid ideas are making STO a laughing stock. Judging by the "Storming the Spire" event on Tribble, btw Elite mode, any ground combat will be a total yawnfest. Season 8 : The spire more like Season 8 : The Stupid. :(:(
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Dinosaurs with lasers are a perfect fitting for StarTrek.
If you don't think so than you aren't a ST fan and should watch more episodes of STclassic
It feels more like some silly cartoonish WOW thing than Star Trek IMO.
But i am sure if a dev would be adressed about it, they wouldn't see any problem with it.
The only thing i will probably try to do is to avoid them altogether...
I would have liked to see the Voth to be a mini faction of peaceful Explorers.
Unlike the Federation in STO which is too much militarized, they could have been a science heavy faction, with some really nice looking but combat heavy ships.
(similar to how the Federation was shown in early TNG)
And we have Gene Roddenberry with us. So Gene, explain to us what exactly your vision for what Star Trek is and is not, because I think a number of us are simply confused. I know, you seem to think if we disagree with you, we're just Cryptic fangrrls, and we'll accept anything and we can't think for ourselves and think maybe this is Star Trek and all but I'm confused.
Please tell me at what point even you thought some things may be too outlandish, because after watching TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9, (oh and the cartoons as well) and seeing everything that you and you're inheritors have thrown at us, I'd love to know why you think this is too outlandish.
So you don't like it and that's your opinion, but people that do genuinely like it are wrong and just brainwashed into liking it?
get off your high horse...or at least your high dino
Or even as a c-store item. I'd buy it.
But dinosaurs? THAT'S JUST ABSURD!
The devs mentioned it in a blog, and it was mentioned briefly in Voyager, but while they've been around 60 million years, their Doctrine does not allow them to progress quickly. Each and every advance needs to be balanced and argued theologically before it's even considered to go towards the drawing board.
During Voyager, they were more advanced, but not unbelievably so when compared to Starfleet Tech. It kind of makes sense that if Starfleet was slightly less advanced 100 years ago, they'd be roughly equal now, considering how fast Starfleet and the KDF advance tech.
Agreed, they pretty much ignored Voyagers shields, beamed her into their ship and then rendered her useless by taking over the ship remotely..
Not one weapon was fired, and Voyager was defenceless. I very much doubt Federation tech has moved on enough to beat that lol
And the Federation taking on vastly more advanced civilizations in war, and winning never made it into anything canon. It's not like Voyager didn't destroy the Borg queen, the Enterprise took on Nero's ship, oh lets not forget not only beating the Borg once, but multiple times in both the series and movies, oh and of course the Dominion war as well. It's probably why it's not a Federation task to fight the Voth, but an alliance of Federation, Klingon, and Romulan, an alliance that was capable of fighting off a vastly superior technological and military Dominion, and the Dominion wanted to win. The Voth just want us to leave them alone.
Plus, Voyager made it home, with its database intact, which means the Federation has probably been working on ways to counter the Voth and what the Voyager went through, so it's not like the Federation isn't aware of what the Voth can do.
And that's just canon. Lets not even add in the Elachi, continual contact with the Borg and the addition of Borg technology in almost every Federation ship out there, the Undine threat, the Iconians being even more of a pain in the neck, the return of the Dominion and the return of minor diplomatic ties with them that has been introduced in STO.
So actually, considering it's been a known Star Trek theme that the Federation always wins against greater odds, and the technological advances that the Federation and the KDF has experienced, as well as it's an alliance against the Voth, not just the Federation, an alliance that in canon was pretty much able to defeat almost anything thrown against it, why is this such a stretch?
I thinking I will be needing one of those Mechanical Exosuits.
The experience needs to be something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaBHCuxqhA
How close are we going to get?
On topic, not crazy about Dinosaurs with lasers on their heads. It feels sort of like kung fu pandas in another popular game.
ya know that's what I heard ........:P
but seriously in trek almost anything is possible and before you pass judgement try the content out and as they say no one is holding phaser to your head makingyou play the game afterall
I have to say it bluntly, i hate the idea. Trek was about exploration, space battles and moral discussion where you learnt something new everyday, the joy was in understanding and striving for a greater cause while trying to get away from thenbegative side in all of us.
Sure it sounds a bit dull but thats what made trick big. Sci fi effects and moral plays in a starship.
I know today things have to be darker and more combat centric as this sells best asfar as were being told by basicly all games on the market now and movies.
However, that game, that sto thing used to be fun, now it more and more degenerates into something utterly childish.
This isnt star wars with magic forces and little kids wielding glowsticks and jumping 50 foot gaps.
This is meant to be star trek, you know , the sci fi for grown ups, you know those who ave jobs and earmn money to spend on a game like sto.
Alot of your paying customers arent 12 anymore.
While im all for creativity, this is unoriginal and fails to give the voth uniqueness, it just makes them silly.
I know its a game, and it isnt there to be taken too seriously, sure, i get that.
We come here to have fun, and most seem to have fun blowing things up in space, enjoying an episode or a nice little foundry mission. Some dig the grinding because theywant the best stuff available.
Some have fun in pvp blowing each other up. So what, lots of fun in all of those.
Fun would be a game with less bugs, a wee bit more customization on the things that actually matter for gameplay and well thought out stories that not only tickles the trigger finger but also the mind.
I will give it a try but im quite upset about this stuff so i doubt i can enjoy it enough to play it more than once. My Zen will definitly only go to ships or dill for other stuff than this or as tips for some well made foundry missions.
This dino thing feels like kindergarten.
My personal issue is it feels like a race as advanced as the Voth wouldn't have any requirement to engage in a conventional military sense especially to combat 'lower lifeforms', and this may have been an interesting thing to encounter. And then on top of this, the idea they'd use animals in combat seems terribly inefficient, as pointed out, its like Starfleet breeding war monkeys. Even when getting their hands dirty, there was no hint of a military, this seems like a very strange extrapolation.
On the other hand, we have limited knowledge of the Voth, and Doctrine and all that may dictate that they combat foes in such a way. Also, the whole plot (and its holes) were pretty mad anyway and most importantly, I'm really interested to see what you guys are able to do with them.
QFT
Nothing about "...Dinosaurs with frikkin' Lazers on Their Heads..." screams a well thought out translation of the Voyager epsiode.
Agree
Ex-CoH players, Please add the chat channel "CoX STO"
Can we get energy type specific fleet tactical consoles? Please give them to us.
Will we get dinosaur pets with the inevitable Voth Lockbox? Yes, it is coming.
Oh! Will the Voth rep have special antiproton weapons?
Also, Dinosaurs with laser beams on their heads. Dr Evil will be proud.
But...the Voth do share a little similiarities with the Tau, as pointed above.
Plus some of their ships resemble the cruisers of Chaos a little, just melted and without the razor edges.
I wonder if they'll say "For the Greater Goooooood!" when I shoot them.
On the terms of IP, Star Trek is all about crazy dumb things on TV with technobabble. Whale probes, Spock's brain, space TRIBBLE, cat people, Picard not killing the borg when he could do it, even if it would have saved a bazillion lives.... so dinosaurs with lazers on their heads is nothing out of the ordinary.
Anyway, pretty cool season so far. The people who say this is too ludicrous for Star Trek obviously need to watch more of it.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Voth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjuptfaTqyo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant_Origin
Cannot wait, cannon logics for this are streching it a bit but hey its new and fun looknig and i'm game.
W.B. Yeats
Lifer since beta its never been so good! So now can everyone chill this game is going in the right direction :P
The Galactic PEDA is gonna be all over this!
Regardless of people's personal opinions, for those that will stick around and play the game after the Season 8 launch, if we are going to grind out the rep for this, we will have to face the Voth. Reading the blog, I begin to wonder how the hell this is going to happen with all the tools at their disposal. Somehow I keep missing what we have that will counter this tech, or this force.
That said, if these new foes have indeed reptile like qualities, wouldn't they be affected by cryo devices? For example, would using Cryo Grenades, slow down these troops (all that are not in the mech suits), or cause additional damage (i/e lower defense properties?). Thinking about current reptiles on Earth... They are not very fond of the cold. Have we factored this into the development of this new enemy?
"Oh Lord, Please don't let me F-up"
Woohoo..the Tao empire will rise again
Lol thats always made me laugh when i see it
Except the Voth never accepted that they came from Earth and got rid of evidence that they came from Earth when they adopted their current dogma sooo where did they get their dino DNA from?? I doubt Timmy Voth left Earth with is trusty pet T-Rex and his council of philosoraptors.
This is just a turn your brain off thing isn't it?
I really like it...bold and different. Imagine what the dinosaurs would say about monkeys with laser on their heads....they would find that amusing from a saurus perspective.
Let's be more open minded and welcome ALL aliens....how far fetched were the aquatics from ENT when they had those mega ships and WHALES piloting it. Humans or bipedals is not the only race in a real Star Trek environment...let's not be egocentric...after all this is StraTrek not the Confedarate southern states of America
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