FAW is not suposed to strip shield and do insane doamge to hull whe all resist buff are activated with some neutronium and fleet shield ..i mean in a 1v1 situation ..
thats exactly what beams are supposed to do. arrays have always been the strongest 1v1 weapon
thats exactly what beams are supposed to do. arrays have always been the strongest 1v1 weapon
i can say, i have won all my duel agaist beam boat ... but i saw some do nice domage, so thats dont explain why faw do alote domage like a beam ripid fire lol
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i can say, i have won all my duel agaist beam boat ... but i saw some do nice domage, so thats dont explain why faw do alote domage like a beam ripid fire lol
So wait Zelda, if anyone beats you with beams in 1 v 1, thats imbalanced?
Notice the pattern forming? Anything that beats the classic 4 dual heavy cannon build is OP so it has to have a nerf bat. Is that what your saying Zelda?
Same group crying foul again. Take your losses like the rest of us do, move on. someone has to die in PvP.
On my healer I started using APD and FBP when I start taking damage. It is kind of funny because really aware players will stop shooting me and everyone else just starts killing themselves.
Before I used this I would almost always be 5th in damage maybe if someone was sleeping I would get 4th. Now I get 2nd and 3rd most of the time and once in a while 1st! Which is a really odd feeling.
Also I know hull damage resistance has diminishing returns but the higher you get your damage resistance the bigger your buffer will be for when people put negative resistance on you.
On my healer I started using APD and FBP when I start taking damage. It is kind of funny because really aware players will stop shooting me and everyone else just starts killing themselves.
Before I used this I would almost always be 5th in damage maybe if someone was sleeping I would get 4th. Now I get 2nd and 3rd most of the time and once in a while 1st! Which is a really odd feeling.
Also I know hull damage resistance has diminishing returns but the higher you get your damage resistance the bigger your buffer will be for when people put negative resistance on you.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
It's also not the first "X has killed me and is broken!!" thread in the past couple of months either.
Well, first let me say this - I'm nobody special, my opinion doesn't matter more than anybody else, etc, etc, etc....
So while Zel's post may have been a bit...hyper-excited...so to speak, it did demonstrate a certain willingness to be open to an explanation for what's going, no?
Most of the threads that generally come up...I despise with a passion. They tend to distract from any actual issues that may exist and they also turn the general public against looking at anything...everything gets lumped in together, so if there are actual issues - they're ignored.
The first incarnation of this thread didn't stand a chance - it got trolled hard right off the back. This one, while there are those that are trying to troll it as well...the thread is also serving a source of information that could help explore any potential issues while also providing information that might reduce the number of herpderpXkilledme TRIBBLE in the future...no?
I agree with Virus. I made my cute quip up above, but I've actually seen a similar thing to this a couple weeks ago. A guy in OPvP I believe said his hull just seemed to be melting out of thin air, and DEM seemed to be a part of it.
I tested DEM 1, 2, and 3 rather well, and nothing seemed off. So I moved on, figuring that there was some other factor added in, or he just simply was a squishy target.
Maybe that's all it is. I don't know. But I have heard a similar thing due to that guy, and now I've heard about it again here in this thread. So maybe there might be something worth looking into.
The OP should calm down, I agree as well, but to the others, it is wise to look into it a bit more than most of the 'x killed me, i hate it' threads we usually have. I have a feeling that there's either nothing wrong at all, or there's something that we haven't noticed that some other folks might have and are now using.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Well, the new rep system has a scaling damage resistance based on health (maxing out at +75 all resist) so that's a bit of a nerf to pressure damage right there.
Ok pun aside, I think as alluded to earlier when testing dem wasn't so bad, but what happens if you start stacking resist debuffs and then tactical captains doing what they do best an buffing DEM by 50%? Now add in 5 people doing it with nifty flying to keep 2-3 targets in range rather than 5.
I mean there are counters,ams, scramble, feedback pulse and draining weapons power as it's all scaled off that. Seems to me the counter is a commander science boff slot, unfortunately there's very little you can do when in the game as you cannot simply change ships like you can boffs.
Oh I've FAWgotten subnuc the be all and end all of OP debuffs.
Also was Zelda using his JHAS with 5 veteran boffs or was it the Rommy with 5 superior operative boffs?
From the threads on the forum in the last 60 days...
- Marion is OP
- TIF is OP
- Aceton Assimilators are OP
- Escorts are OP
- BO is OP
- DHCs are OP
- BFAW is OP
- BOPs are OP
- Romulans are OP
- Elite Fleet Shields are OP
- Rep is OP
- APA is OP
- APO is OP
- APB is OP
- Everything tactical is OP
- Subnuke is OP
- Tykens Rift is OP
- Drain builds are OP
So... in order to PvP in this game without causing a thread to show up on these forums, one must be in a free level 40 neghvar with an engineer captain specced for cannons, using the 180 degree singles, white base gear, a bunch of biologist duty officers, not a member of a fleet, that has never done the rep system
Did I miss anything?
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wait there's another way to play other than in a free level 40 neghvar with an engineer captain specced for cannons, using the 180 degree singles, white base gear, a bunch of biologist duty officers, not a member of a fleet, that has never done the rep system?!?!
From the threads on the forum in the last 60 days...
- Marion is OP
- TIF is OP
- Aceton Assimilators are OP
- Escorts are OP
- BO is OP
- DHCs are OP
- BFAW is OP
- BOPs are OP
- Romulans are OP
- Elite Fleet Shields are OP
- Rep is OP
- APA is OP
- APO is OP
- APB is OP
- Everything tactical is OP
- Subnuke is OP
- Tykens Rift is OP
- Drain builds are OP
So... in order to PvP in this game without causing a thread to show up on these forums, one must be in a free level 40 neghvar with an engineer captain specced for cannons, using the 180 degree singles, white base gear, a bunch of biologist duty officers, not a member of a fleet, that has never done the rep system
Did I miss anything?
Tellin ya man, Elite Mk XII handbags at a T5 starbase FAW sure....
On topic though I do think it's not very sustainable the way things are balanced. I mean if DEM is causing problems with 5 people spamming it then it will get nerfed.
This will make it mostly unused again but also very few people will ever use it without the doff, even then it's debatable if it would get used.
I tested out a DEM build, without Marion sadly, on a DC/quad escort. If you can hold the target for acc with the quads then you get a lot of dem hits. Might be something for people to look into as I could only really burn my target down 70% on my own.
Bpharma, DEM isnt so much the issue. What the real issue is are these damned DOFFs they keep putting in. Its like the devs dont understand power interactions. Marion alone is nothing special. But coupled with the BO DOFF and maybe technicians for an A2B build, it becomes devastating.
Its like anything else. Singularly they arent anything really. But stack them up...
its like my power doffs coupled with leech I use on Rylana. (one procs the +20 shield power on every energy weapon firing, one is the +25 to every subsystem on each use of a EPtX power). I literally sit at 90+ power on every subsystem when they proc (which is very frequently - 5% chance per weapon activation and 25% chance i think per EPtX), and I dont use aux to bat. How should that even be possible? If i pop a lobi battery I then have 125/130/125/130 for almost 20 seconds!! (i do this build to guarantee myself 4 subsystem AMP synergy at nearly 100 percent uptime)
Game mechanics are broken as hell.
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Having workshopped your post to try to translate it from whatever moon tongue it was penned in to regular English, I think you're complaining that you got killed with your shield power on 130?
Because, assuming this is the C&H you ragequit from, I was one of the people who got to make this happen. It isn't because anything's OP, it's just because you're miserable at this game. And because you're evidently terrible at recognizing that you've had your buffs stripped.
As an aside, you describe yourself as a "healer" when this happened, and then go on to talk about having 130 shield power. While I'll be the first to admit that this is better than your usual max-engines, impulse burst to safety build it's still not quite there. Still, I'd like to commend you for trying something other than running away for a change - with time and practice you might even become relevant to PvP in this game.
TL;DR: Everything's working as intended, getting space-killed is to be expected when you fight competent people.
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thats exactly what beams are supposed to do. arrays have always been the strongest 1v1 weapon
i can say, i have won all my duel agaist beam boat ... but i saw some do nice domage, so thats dont explain why faw do alote domage like a beam ripid fire lol
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Some players just can't accept defeat, regardless of the method.
It's not the first FAW "issue" thread in the past couple of months.
So wait Zelda, if anyone beats you with beams in 1 v 1, thats imbalanced?
Notice the pattern forming? Anything that beats the classic 4 dual heavy cannon build is OP so it has to have a nerf bat. Is that what your saying Zelda?
Same group crying foul again. Take your losses like the rest of us do, move on. someone has to die in PvP.
Meh.. I think I'll wait till the smoke and mud have cleared before I care about that.
Ok that and the new Fleet Tac consoles I guess.. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
On my healer I started using APD and FBP when I start taking damage. It is kind of funny because really aware players will stop shooting me and everyone else just starts killing themselves.
Before I used this I would almost always be 5th in damage maybe if someone was sleeping I would get 4th. Now I get 2nd and 3rd most of the time and once in a while 1st! Which is a really odd feeling.
Also I know hull damage resistance has diminishing returns but the higher you get your damage resistance the bigger your buffer will be for when people put negative resistance on you.
FAWgiven...
And if that doesn't help, bring a few Scimitars with Drones to apply more Scrambles.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
It's also not the first "X has killed me and is broken!!" thread in the past couple of months either.
Jeez Naz, the guy posts a thread and all you can do is make 'FAW' puns. I expected better of you of all people.
If this keeps up, I'm going to quit STO for good and go play 'FAWout 3'.
You would have more fun in Fawderland 3... its a cell shaded world war 2 epic.
Well, first let me say this - I'm nobody special, my opinion doesn't matter more than anybody else, etc, etc, etc....
So while Zel's post may have been a bit...hyper-excited...so to speak, it did demonstrate a certain willingness to be open to an explanation for what's going, no?
Most of the threads that generally come up...I despise with a passion. They tend to distract from any actual issues that may exist and they also turn the general public against looking at anything...everything gets lumped in together, so if there are actual issues - they're ignored.
The first incarnation of this thread didn't stand a chance - it got trolled hard right off the back. This one, while there are those that are trying to troll it as well...the thread is also serving a source of information that could help explore any potential issues while also providing information that might reduce the number of herpderpXkilledme TRIBBLE in the future...no?
I agree with Virus. I made my cute quip up above, but I've actually seen a similar thing to this a couple weeks ago. A guy in OPvP I believe said his hull just seemed to be melting out of thin air, and DEM seemed to be a part of it.
I tested DEM 1, 2, and 3 rather well, and nothing seemed off. So I moved on, figuring that there was some other factor added in, or he just simply was a squishy target.
Maybe that's all it is. I don't know. But I have heard a similar thing due to that guy, and now I've heard about it again here in this thread. So maybe there might be something worth looking into.
The OP should calm down, I agree as well, but to the others, it is wise to look into it a bit more than most of the 'x killed me, i hate it' threads we usually have. I have a feeling that there's either nothing wrong at all, or there's something that we haven't noticed that some other folks might have and are now using.
Watching beamboats kill one another... Priceless!
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Well EXCUSE me FAW having a little bit of fun :P
Ok pun aside, I think as alluded to earlier when testing dem wasn't so bad, but what happens if you start stacking resist debuffs and then tactical captains doing what they do best an buffing DEM by 50%? Now add in 5 people doing it with nifty flying to keep 2-3 targets in range rather than 5.
I mean there are counters,ams, scramble, feedback pulse and draining weapons power as it's all scaled off that. Seems to me the counter is a commander science boff slot, unfortunately there's very little you can do when in the game as you cannot simply change ships like you can boffs.
Oh I've FAWgotten subnuc the be all and end all of OP debuffs.
Also was Zelda using his JHAS with 5 veteran boffs or was it the Rommy with 5 superior operative boffs?
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
- Marion is OP
- TIF is OP
- Aceton Assimilators are OP
- Escorts are OP
- BO is OP
- DHCs are OP
- BFAW is OP
- BOPs are OP
- Romulans are OP
- Elite Fleet Shields are OP
- Rep is OP
- APA is OP
- APO is OP
- APB is OP
- Everything tactical is OP
- Subnuke is OP
- Tykens Rift is OP
- Drain builds are OP
So... in order to PvP in this game without causing a thread to show up on these forums, one must be in a free level 40 neghvar with an engineer captain specced for cannons, using the 180 degree singles, white base gear, a bunch of biologist duty officers, not a member of a fleet, that has never done the rep system
Did I miss anything?
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
also, that single cannon spec might be too op. we need to use 4 fore and 4 aft chroniton torps
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Tellin ya man, Elite Mk XII handbags at a T5 starbase FAW sure....
On topic though I do think it's not very sustainable the way things are balanced. I mean if DEM is causing problems with 5 people spamming it then it will get nerfed.
This will make it mostly unused again but also very few people will ever use it without the doff, even then it's debatable if it would get used.
I tested out a DEM build, without Marion sadly, on a DC/quad escort. If you can hold the target for acc with the quads then you get a lot of dem hits. Might be something for people to look into as I could only really burn my target down 70% on my own.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
I demand supper now.
Back on topic
Bpharma, DEM isnt so much the issue. What the real issue is are these damned DOFFs they keep putting in. Its like the devs dont understand power interactions. Marion alone is nothing special. But coupled with the BO DOFF and maybe technicians for an A2B build, it becomes devastating.
Its like anything else. Singularly they arent anything really. But stack them up...
its like my power doffs coupled with leech I use on Rylana. (one procs the +20 shield power on every energy weapon firing, one is the +25 to every subsystem on each use of a EPtX power). I literally sit at 90+ power on every subsystem when they proc (which is very frequently - 5% chance per weapon activation and 25% chance i think per EPtX), and I dont use aux to bat. How should that even be possible? If i pop a lobi battery I then have 125/130/125/130 for almost 20 seconds!! (i do this build to guarantee myself 4 subsystem AMP synergy at nearly 100 percent uptime)
Game mechanics are broken as hell.
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Is FAW a FAWce multiplier?
Because, assuming this is the C&H you ragequit from, I was one of the people who got to make this happen. It isn't because anything's OP, it's just because you're miserable at this game. And because you're evidently terrible at recognizing that you've had your buffs stripped.
As an aside, you describe yourself as a "healer" when this happened, and then go on to talk about having 130 shield power. While I'll be the first to admit that this is better than your usual max-engines, impulse burst to safety build it's still not quite there. Still, I'd like to commend you for trying something other than running away for a change - with time and practice you might even become relevant to PvP in this game.
TL;DR: Everything's working as intended, getting space-killed is to be expected when you fight competent people.