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FAW is broken or somthing that make it supper BOSTED (closed, necro)

nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
edited January 2014 in PvP Gameplay
whats explain the thing that strip the shield very fast with all resist imaginable activated when somone is using FAW?
some say faw is not broken its DEM + APB the probleme it destroy your hull in a few seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLUS we lost resistence cause of the defence from Subterfuge space trait dont sack anymore for some reason
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Could you make sense please?
  • iceroidiceroid Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Could you make sense please?

    ^ this
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    whats explain the thing that strip the shield very fast with all resist imaginable activated ?

    A mix of multiple high spec tet gliders and sheer damage output. Gliders are more powerful than they used to be because power creep has made it possible to maintain very high weapons power which boosts glider damage. Same goes for DEM. Being able to easily maintain very high weapons power has boosted suppression builds in general.

    You are correct that pressure builds have been artificially boosted by the broken Subterfuge boffs. Once they are fixed that should go away a bit.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lol I get it now someone perhaps ran into some of the DPS PvE kids ?

    My guess.... welcome to fully a rigged PvE DEM 3 **** build with the new -25% weapon drain aura.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    whats explain the thing that strip the shield very fast with all resist imaginable activated when somone is using FAW?

    Is it actually popping shields or is it popping hull regardless of shields?
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    some say faw is not broken its DEM + APB the probleme it destroy your hull in a few seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sounds more like a combination of folks working in tandem to optimize certain abilities with BOFFs from that. The PvP folks have been speaking to the PvE folks, putting their noggins together...and yeah...
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    PLUS we lost resistence cause of the defence from Subterfuge space trait dont sack anymore for some reason

    Acknowledged as a bug - no idea when they're going to fix it.
  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Could you make sense please?


    say the guy who make a premade 3 tac with faw ...
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    [System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.

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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The defense bug is just an aside anyway.... if it is FAW+weapon drain auroa powered hull burning that is killing him... the defense won't save him anyway.

    Even if 5-10% more of the strikes miss it won't save him. DEM doesn't crit its just a hit or not. So defense really won't cut that dmg down much.
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  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    The defense bug is just an aside anyway.... if it is FAW+weapon drain auroa powered hull burning that is killing him... the defense won't save him anyway.

    Even if 5-10% more of the strikes miss it won't save him. DEM doesn't crit its just a hit or not. So defense really won't cut that dmg down much.
    whats explain faw makee 10k domage a single shot ... its like doing more big crit with cannons valey then cannon rapid fire ..
    [System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
    [System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.

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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    whats explain faw makee 10k domage a single shot ...

    I did say if it was dem.

    No can't think of anything being 10k in a single shot... unless you got hit with an elachi overload or a overload penetrate doff of something.

    Would be interesting to see the data from your log that details what it is that hit you.
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  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    pvp is turning into a 4-5 fawboats team, at that point i will stop playing sto. Is boring and removes the most part of the teamwork factor from the game. I been using aux2bat+faw boat for a long time, im not agaisnt aux2bat or faw in general, but as always in this game, 5 of something is a problem, and 5 of this ships are way to effective now.

    You can counter with several things (like ES, ams, etc), but every day that pass this builds are getting better and better (0 energy drain, apb3 stacking pets, etc..), and more teams are starting to migrate to a full premade of this things. In the past i was sceptical about the viability of full faw teams with aux2bat, but now ...

    The main problem is that this is the base of most of the PvE builds, so we can forget about any changes.
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    say the guy who make a premade 3 tac with faw ...

    Awww, FAW has been around long before we started using it. Has it made your 4 Heavy cannon builds useless again?
  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    got killed by a captain kirk guy lol i was not able to keep my shield on with 130 power with epts, tss, tt ....
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ~1300 unbuffed
    ~2500 buffed
    ~7-8k crit
    Add in stacked debuffs and some stuff I've probably forgotten about - including Accuracy Overflow because of dorked Subterfuge, and yeah...could see folks pulling off 10k+ Array hits from FAW...

    Course, it seems off based on folks talking about 30k DPS parses - then again, with the new Paladin Auras...hrmmm.
  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Awww, FAW has been around long before we started using it. Has it made your 4 Heavy cannon builds useless again?


    .. when we fighted i was on my healer ...just saying !!
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    [System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.

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  • mdwgardiner1701mdwgardiner1701 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I do think it's overpowered at the moment personally. The reasons for this I'm sure are going to be debated back and forth.

    Maybe the elephant in the room, as always IMO, is the power creep.

    So many of these basic BOFF powers can be augmented in ways that can become unsporting. Not to mention also making the entry level for new pvpers even higher.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mdwgardiner1701 wrote: »
    Not to mention also making the entry level for new pvpers even higher.

    Yeah, I'm trying to picture the guy that decides to start PvP next Feb or so with all the S8 stuff they just put in the notes on Tribble...
  • omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Tsi use to run faw builds. faw it self is not broken and does not have 100% acc any more. As far as it draining shields beam ships can drain shields realty well if one is using target shields 2 and 3 plus faw ships using glider.
  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    omgrandalthor wrote: »
    Tsi use to run faw builds. faw it self is not broken and does not have 100% acc any more. As far as it draining shields beam ships can drain shields realty well if one is using target shields 2 and 3 plus faw ships using glider.


    the guy was using plasma, with only faw 2-3 for attack ..boosted with glider and dem ..and it not the only one like that i saw ..
    [System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
    [System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.

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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    playhard88 wrote: »
    pvp is turning into a 4-5 fawboats team [...] as always in this game, 5 of something is a problem, and 5 of this ships are way to effective now.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    the guy was using plasma, with only faw 2-3 for attack ..boosted with glider and dem ..and it not the only one like that i saw ..

    Possible Rom Sci [Pla] consoles...knew I was forgetting something in my earlier post. Likely Flow Cap [Pla], eh?
  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nebulgamnezar wrote: »
    whats explain the thing that strip the shield very fast with all resist imaginable activated when somone is using FAW?
    some say faw is not broken its DEM + APB the probleme it destroy your hull in a few seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PLUS we lost resistence cause of the defence from Subterfuge space trait dont sack anymore for some reason




    Cool story brah, what are the acceptable ways to kill people then?
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  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited October 2013
    aldo1raine wrote: »
    Cool story brah, what are the acceptable ways to kill people then?

    Scramble with cheese doffs obviously. Maybe the occasional TIF on top? :P
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  • ocp001ocp001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    This brings up an interesting thing I have noticed lately in the ques. On occassion by some veteran PvP escorts I have been killed by massive bleed through. Literally in seconds. Fast enough that a full Aux HE2 couldn't mitigate the hits. Bypassed my fleet elite shields like they were nothing. Nothing like dying with full shields and resist buffs in a 1 on 1 to energy weapons.

    The logs were unusual too, basically showing a 1 to 1 ratio in terms of damage absorbed vs damage dealt. I am at a loss to explain it other than it was like my opponent had 100% bleed through.

    Not to thread jack, but i wonder if this is a similar situation only using FAW instead of cannons.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    if pvp devolves into nothing but 5 FAW cruisers vs 5 FAW cruisers, hopefully that causes them to just turn FAW into a single target skill.
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  • nebulgamnezarnebulgamnezar Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    aldo1raine wrote: »
    Cool story brah, what are the acceptable ways to kill people then?

    FAW is not suposed to strip shield and do insane doamge to hull whe all resist buff are activated with some neutronium and fleet shield ..i mean in a 1v1 situation ..
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    [System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.

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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So we're going back to 2011 with added flavor, huh? :)
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  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax
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    edited October 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    if pvp devolves into nothing but 5 FAW cruisers vs 5 FAW cruisers, hopefully that causes them to just turn FAW into a single target skill.

    like beam rapid fire? heheh
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Hrmmm, I wonder...I wonder.

    So uh, you know how you can SNB Immunities off (Phaser, Placate)...

    SNB DOFFs, Elachi Disruptors...?

    Can the Elachi immunity be SNB'd off too? I've never tried that one.
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    The defense bug is just an aside anyway.... if it is FAW+weapon drain auroa powered hull burning that is killing him... the defense won't save him anyway.

    Even if 5-10% more of the strikes miss it won't save him. DEM doesn't crit its just a hit or not. So defense really won't cut that dmg down much.

    DEM crits.

    Yah! Yah!

    DEM crits!:)
  • omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    From the sounds of it you all just need to put some resistance on your ships! Speck into plating and stuff put resistance consoles in your eng slots instead of cheese consoles... I have 54 resistance base before the BO skills I have on my ship to buff it. I have not ran into this panda premade but I do have a deadly faw/beam target ship i run in karrat and i have fought beam faw ships and they don't do all that much if you pay attention unless my target has no resistance then i usually kill them through their shields or strip their shields off.
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