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This is not resolved. I can't post a thread and neither can I assign my ensign science officer to the ensign slot on my new ship.
My Ship Builds: USS Conqueror, HMS Victorious, HMS Concord, ISS Queen Elizabeth, Black Widow III
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Enjoy it before PVP has it nerfed.
Rather than come up with new builds, new tactics and actually THINK for once they demand that everyone else (the vast majority) cater to them.
Enjoy it while it lasts -- it'll be dumbed down to a fancy grav-well within two patches.
That's not strictly true as I am a PVPer and I have kinda fallen in love with this console, but I totally agree that a lot of the PVP community are whinging to much about the Elarchi Items.
There not willing to look at this new console and go right this is a new hill to climb, they have all dug there little holes and are content to sit in them till the "Rapture" comes, so to speak.
That said however the only problem is, is that console is bugged in a few ways as it completely turns off Captain skills when its only meant to turn off Boff skills and its cause of that players are crying about it.
If this console had made it to the Holo Deck working perfectly to begin with, there would have been less whine about it.
It's easy to say that it will be nerfed down because of us who belong to that group of players of this game.
Perhaps that is true...
Game tactics, boff abilities, captain abilities doesn't really matter when it comes to this console.
You never know when it will be released on you, if you have buffs activated when that black goo is thrown on you, yes that makes it a bit easier, but not always.
9-15 secs on unavailable abilities....
That means a kill.
If everyone in one team has one of those consoles, it's a runover, not even a real pvp fight.
Different builds... Yes, good idea.
Different build or not, that black goo still will do the same, inactivate all boff and captain abilities.
Yes we still have shields...
But having a full team firing on you when you are stuck there, 2secs and you go boom.
You pve players never encounter this console like this.
Perhaps...
Cryptic would install this on every npc ship out there also, that is the best idea so far! :-D
So you PVE players will get to know this console and experience what it does....
Riddle me this, then...
How would you defend against something that shuts down all of your Captain AND BO abilities? Run from it, as the Devs suggested? What about when you've got something that stops your movement (Tractor Beam, Viral, etc)? How would you defend against something that leaves you literally defenseless?
Do you remember the old SNB/VM from when the game launched? They were changed because they were deemed to be horribly OP by the Devs themselves. Not the players (though we agreed)... yet, this console does exactly what they did. Why would that be?
What BOff abilities are causing you such trouble in PvE that you need to shut them down? Any at all?
Do you really need an iWin console?
There are some things that you literally can not build around or adapt your build to. And, if you look at most of the complaints that PvPers have, it's not against single items (though this Console is the exception), it's against stacking.
What do you think happens when you've got a full set of 3 Nanite Disruptor DHCs and turrets proc'ing away and then get hit by an Elachi DBB Beam Overload? How will you escape from a Viral Matrix/EWP/Theta/Tractor Beam/PSW + Subspace Cloud?
Honest question, I want an honest answer.
Answer me this:
How do you effectively, and consistently, counter this console? What abilities, traits, combos, etc, can you use, to keep this console from seeming as powerful as 'PvPers are whining about'?
If PvPers aren't doing as you say, namely 'coming up with new builds, new tactics, and actually THINK for once', then perhaps you can lend your mind to the 'think tank' to help everyone learn how to effectively counter it.
I do mean it, because if you can answer that question to the point that few to no one would disagree, I can assure you PvPers wouldn't 'whine' about it anymore.
So yeah, we are complaining for a legitimate reason.
Let every Elachi, Borg and Tholian NPCs fire this at you and then we can ask you how you adapted.
Please don't QQ when NPCs kill you with it.
Please support this petition here to allow NPCs to use this console :
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=829901
Then you can show us how you come up with new builds to dodge them.
Read: If you can come up with a way that can dodge this thing 100% of the time, I will personally pay you 100 million EC. If not, you should just shut up.
It literally is an I-Win buttong, speaking from personal experience of using it.
And with a cloak capable KDF or Romulan ship its absolutely devestating, as you can pick the exact moment you want to strike, and there wont be a thing the target can do about it.
Guaranteed kill.
I saw someone using it on Donatra with no effect at all, she cloaked and ran away.
Called it.
You folks are pathetic.
You represent a tiny fraction of the playerbase yet you expect the rest of us to cater to your demands.
Absurd.
Your calls for every NPC to be issued this console so "we" can feel your pain?
Absurd.
Not every NPC is exactly the same -- some are harder than others. Some require slightly different tactics to overcome. PVP folks want everything uniform and exactly the same... boring flat bland and predictable. Anything that upsets the status quo is unacceptable.
This time it will be different -- I have an inside line to certain folks at Cryptic and we are pushing to have you folks IGNORED or at least marginalized to the point where you cannot affect the rest of the game.
Good luck, babies. Cry me a river.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Oh yes cry me river, having this on the npc ships wouldn't be so nice would it?
You are using an absurd console that have not much impact on npc on the overall outcome.
That is, and meaning, that you defend something that is absurd for the generality of your gameplay which this console hardly affect.
Now...
Sinking down to calling people "babies" and "go cry me a river"
Chidlish.
An MMO where the pvp'ers get ignored?
Oh come on.
No matter how small our little community is...
PVP IS PART OF THE GAMEPLAY
The Devs play it also....
You were probably one of those people who thought the original iteration of Cloaked Tractor Mines was fine, weren't you? I can't tell if you honestly feel this way or if you're just a troll.
Regardless.
No, sorry, every NPC is pretty much the same. Some may have slightly different buffs/abilities than the others, but you can level from 1-50 (11, if you want to be absolutely correct) by using Scatter Volley and then lobbing off a Torp Spread. It works every time. Sometimes you have to use Omega to break a Tractor, but that's about it. If you get hit by a Viral, chances are the enemy is dead before it has a chance to proc your weapons.
PvPers DO want variety - why else do you think we'd be asking for Sci abilities to get buffed/changed so that Scis don't have to be cookie cutter? Or Engineers to be buffed so that they're not useless?
Ignoring everything else, that doesn't change the fact that this is an iWin console... a console that, as demonstrated by Donatra, doesn't really do much for PvEers but ruins a lot of PvP. If you REALLY need that stun for PvE, just use a PSW or Shockwave Torp.
And I'm sure you have an "inside source." While you're speaking sweet nothings into their ear, could you ask them to fix the "decloak on dialogue" bug that's been around forever? That'll help you PvEers more than us.
People like you are the ones ruining the game - you want something that will do everything for you. You want iWin buttons. Stun the enemy, do damage, make it so they can't defend themselves or attack you. Shall we hope for a console that instakills everything in a 90' arc in front of you from the next Box?
Console+tractor beam= stun lock....
Do you understand that? Pure immobilization from 2 simple abilities. How do you think that's fair? When your tb'd and subspace'd your done
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
you do realize that cryptic ignores us pvp'rs most of the time anyways. no help needed from any "inside" sources.
also, if you dont pvp then you have no idea what its like.
npc's sadly dont have any abilities so they have nothing to complain about.
100% of the enemies in this game can be killed by just shooting it without having to do ANYTHING else.
Do you even Science Bro?
The minute I picked this thing up off the exchange, threw it on a ship and saw it in action I had one instant thought.
"Wow. This is seriously broken."
How they could even thing to release something that powerful which plays havok with everything in the game. This thing stops the spheres dead in ISE, it makes Wave 10 on no win far too easy, and obviously it's going to be incredibly overpowered in PvP.
This is an "I win" button, and I hate "I win" buttons.
When it takes less than 10 seconds to kill somebody/something in this game, you can't have a "you're disabled and can't use any abilities, move or see" ability. That's a stupid idea.
It needs a nerf, sorry, but it does.
All that being said, it won't stop me using it, I've learned to just give up and accept power creep now.
Small Edit: That was my initial reaction, I do know that this thing can be countered if you see it coming, but you really need to see it coming and have the abilities you need off-cooldown, or that's it.
Kirk's Protege.
great ideea, every npc with this console, a STF will be something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPyNas_uABs
Oh reeaaaaahhlllly?
Ok.. here's a situation for you..
Your flying along in a PVP Match, minding your own business when..
SUDDENLY..
You have a decloaking Scimitar using a Borg Tractor beam, Subspace Integeration Circuit, SubNucleonicBeam, Gravity Well on you..
Here is what just happened..
For the next 10 seconds...you are:
Held
No buffs
All Boff abilities save Science and Engineering Team are Disabled
Slowed
"Blinded"
And of course being fired upon and taking damage from the middle of the Gravity Well.
And here's the kicker.. there is no way to clear this off you. Sure you can clear the SNB off, but you have no way out of the Black Baseball of doom. Not with out a prayer and help.
Is that fun for you? How long do you seriously expect to with stand firepower coming at you while you have those effects on you all at once? And now imagine that happening from 4 other players.
So please, before you make absolutely ignorant comments about the Player vs Player community crying you a river about something that actually does need a tweek, use that thing in side the object hovering over your chest called a brain, and consider how a power like that can effect you if you were hit with it. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Since 85-90% of the game is PvE:
What are some realistic suggestions to take the OPness out of the console for PvP yet still allowing it to be a nice purchase for PvE players?
* reduce the stun/Boff power lockout time and allow Sci/Eng Team to clear the hold/stun same as with the Tholian proc and boost the rupture collapse damage perhaps?