Yeah this console is no fun at all. I was up against a premade last night that had multiple users with this. I was in my recluse and have never been killed so quick. There is no way out in a slow ship. It needs at minimum to be sci teamed. Also it could do with being given a cone radius because currently it can be fired at any angle, you can never see it coming. I've never cryed nerf on anything before but this one is ridiculous. I won't be using it in PvP.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Well... maximum aux power, chain EPtA, sensor probe consoles. Those are the ideas that I have when it comes to constant detection.
Less constant methods include chaining CPB, Sensor Scan, and the Nebula consoles. Or the Ionized Gas Sensor.
In the PvP forum, virusdancer calculated it, factoring all possible buff. Long story short, the Romulans with 5 X Super Ops + 5 X subterfuge traits will require you to be right on top of their ship to see it no matter what.
Well... maximum aux power, chain EPtA, sensor probe consoles. Those are the ideas that I have when it comes to constant detection.
Less constant methods include chaining CPB, Sensor Scan, and the Nebula consoles. Or the Ionized Gas Sensor.
Don't misunderstand, I do know about all that. I'm just saying that Romulan BOFFs can stack their Stealth bonuses (which shouldn't happen) and keep a very high level of stealth (compared to the level of stealth detection that can be obtained), for pretty much no cost at all.
Now the high singularity level can hurt into that, but all they need to do is just use a power, like sing. jump, wait a few moments, and re-cloak at full strength.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Good luck easily detecting cloaked Romulans with their stacking Stealth bonuses from their BOFFs.
I saw Sad Pandas doing it yesterday when I was 7 KM away from one of their Wells Timeship who merely used Sensor Scan. My Rom had 4 X Super Ops, 5 X Subterfuge + 1 X Sup. Infiltrator. There was no Nebula console, nothing but sensor scan, at the very beginning of an area match before I even fire any shots (hence singularity = 0)
I said to myself: "Hmm...strange, how did that happen?"
Then later on I knew why. The same Wells performed a disappearing act 5 minutes later, corner by 3 ships, losing shielods (on all facings), tractored, hull dropping fast. Pow, disappear. Reappear 10 secs later, fully shield and healed. :rolleyes:
At that point, I typed in the zone chat, thanks for the game, enjoy your special "in-game programs" then warp out.
To be fair, it was 4 X Sad Panda + 1 other that I don't recognize.
I always heard rumors that Sad Panda used special in-game programs, see it in action is just "breathtaking" but not in a good way.
I saw Sad Pandas doing it yesterday when I was 7 KM away from one of their Wells Timeship who merely used Sensor Scan. My Rom had 4 X Super Ops, 5 X Subterfuge + 1 X Sup. Infiltrator. There was no Nebula console, nothing but sensor scan, at the very beginning of an area match before I even fire any shots (hence singularity = 0)
I said to myself: "Hmm...strange, how did that happen?"
Then later on I knew why. The same Wells performed a disappearing act 5 minutes later, corner by 3 ships, losing shielods (on all facings), tractored, hull dropping fast. Pow, disappear. Reappear 10 secs later, fully shield and healed. :rolleyes:
At that point, I typed in the zone chat, thanks for the game, enjoy your special "in-game programs" then warp out.
To be fair, it was 4 X Sad Panda + 1 other that I don't recognize.
I always heard rumors that Sad Panda used special in-game programs, see it in action is just "breathtaking" but not in a good way.
so logging out is now an "in game program"? you cant be serious dude....
I saw Sad Pandas doing it yesterday when I was 7 KM away from one of their Wells Timeship who merely used Sensor Scan. My Rom had 4 X Super Ops, 5 X Subterfuge + 1 X Sup. Infiltrator. There was no Nebula console, nothing but sensor scan, at the very beginning of an area match before I even fire any shots (hence singularity = 0)
I said to myself: "Hmm...strange, how did that happen?"
Then later on I knew why. The same Wells performed a disappearing act 5 minutes later, corner by 3 ships, losing shielods (on all facings), tractored, hull dropping fast. Pow, disappear. Reappear 10 secs later, fully shield and healed. :rolleyes:
At that point, I typed in the zone chat, thanks for the game, enjoy your special "in-game programs" then warp out.
To be fair, it was 4 X Sad Panda + 1 other that I don't recognize.
I always heard rumors that Sad Panda used special in-game programs, see it in action is just "breathtaking" but not in a good way.
What you described was Temporal Backstep, one of the abilities of the Wells...
Way to throw out pointless accusations based on hearsay.
Called it. This and everything else that has ever been released. "it is the worst thing ever and makes the game too hard for us OMG why why why."
You folks are pathetic.
You represent a tiny fraction of the playerbase yet you expect the rest of us to cater to your demands.
Absurd.
Your calls for every NPC to be issued this console so "we" can feel your pain?
Absurd.
Not every NPC is exactly the same -- some are harder than others. Some require slightly different tactics to overcome. PVP folks want everything uniform and exactly the same... boring flat bland and predictable. Anything that upsets the status quo is unacceptable.
This time it will be different -- I have an inside line to certain folks at Cryptic and we are pushing to have you folks IGNORED or at least marginalized to the point where you cannot affect the rest of the game.
Good luck, babies. Cry me a river.
I think themarie lives under a bridge and tried to eat the three billy goats gruff...
Don't misunderstand, I do know about all that. I'm just saying that Romulan BOFFs can stack their Stealth bonuses (which shouldn't happen) and keep a very high level of stealth (compared to the level of stealth detection that can be obtained), for pretty much no cost at all.
Now the high singularity level can hurt into that, but all they need to do is just use a power, like sing. jump, wait a few moments, and re-cloak at full strength.
I was not aware of that fact.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
(pardon my n00bery, but here goes)
Gotta say, the first time I saw this I literally stopped combat and typed the word ?WHOA.? Into chat. (in an Azure Nebula, so nbd, but still?)
Actually, thats? a lie. Actually, my first thoughts were,
"My, that?s a large gravity well?
Um, what is going on?
That is WAY too big.
Is my monitor melting??
What the hell is,
dammit I can?t see any of the ships?
Too close! Too Close!
WHATTHEHOLY***WOW!
That was coo?
WHOA.
They?re all? gone!
TRIBBLE, do any enemies have that damned thing, and what the hell was it????
So yeah, seriously cool? but my reaction tells me that it?s very likely OP. Keep the visual, though ? serious brain-melt factor.
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
I saw Sad Pandas doing it yesterday when I was 7 KM away from one of their Wells Timeship who merely used Sensor Scan. My Rom had 4 X Super Ops, 5 X Subterfuge + 1 X Sup. Infiltrator. There was no Nebula console, nothing but sensor scan, at the very beginning of an area match before I even fire any shots (hence singularity = 0)
I said to myself: "Hmm...strange, how did that happen?"
Then later on I knew why. The same Wells performed a disappearing act 5 minutes later, corner by 3 ships, losing shielods (on all facings), tractored, hull dropping fast. Pow, disappear. Reappear 10 secs later, fully shield and healed. :rolleyes:
At that point, I typed in the zone chat, thanks for the game, enjoy your special "in-game programs" then warp out.
To be fair, it was 4 X Sad Panda + 1 other that I don't recognize.
I always heard rumors that Sad Panda used special in-game programs, see it in action is just "breathtaking" but not in a good way.
Come on, you have a Wells yourself, you should know how to do that - I know I could. Not to mention he could have popped the Rom T5 right after that - with all the spam flying around, it's not unlikely that you could have missed the symbol.
And.....about the stealth detection thing - were you at full Aux power? Did you have full spec into Stealth? Plus he could have deployed the Neb console at the start - I've seen some players do that. What was your stealth rating, by the way?
Not to mention you're so way off on the 3rd party program thing it's not even funny. Entirely wrong type of program.....
A bit of an unfortunate one since it is technically a bug.
In theory, the Romulan cloaks are good because they have a higher base with no singularity power, which means they can be much harder to detect normally. Especially on someone with a good spec.
However, that bug gives a tremendous amount of stealth easily, which shouldn't stack. Add in a spec and high aux power, and a Romulan ship can be a VERY tough target to find.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
What you described was Temporal Backstep, one of the abilities of the Wells...
Way to throw out pointless accusations based on hearsay.
uh...first of all, I saw it myself - no hearsay necessary. Secondly, I have a Wells, you think I am so new that I don't know what a Temproal Backstep looks like? :rolleyes:
One of those days, I am going to learn how to take video clips in Arena matches. Short of that, the apologists will come up with all sort of non-senses.
Come on, you have a Wells yourself, you should know how to do that - I know I could. Not to mention he could have popped the Rom T5 right after that - with all the spam flying around, it's not unlikely that you could have missed the symbol.
It's possible I could have missed the Quantum Manipulation symbol, never say never, it still doesn't explain the full heal 10 sec later. At the time it disappear, that ship had virtually no shield left on all facings and hull is about 30% left, and far from the rest of its team. Sure, there are all kind of possibilities, but the whole match felt very weird as the Sad Pandas had like 3 Wells. Like I said, only thing to show is it to take video clip so that it can be reviewed in public. Let's just say I have some serious doubts and leave it at that.
And.....about the stealth detection thing - were you at full Aux power?
Don't remember, but on all my builds, I have an emphasis on Aux, especially with Adapted MACO 2 set bonus to Aux.
Did you have full spec into Stealth?
No and unnecessary, stealth is well over 5700
Plus he could have deployed the Neb console at the start - I've seen some players do that. What was your stealth rating, by the way?
Impossible, there was no Nebula in the match. Check out virusdancer's stealth detection thread, at over 5700 stealth, it is mathematically impossible to be detected at 7KM away.
It's possible I could have missed the Quantum Manipulation symbol, never say never, it still doesn't explain the full heal 10 sec later. At the time it disappear, that ship had virtually no shield left on all facings and hull is about 30% left, and far from the rest of its team.
If you've ever played against the Pandas, you know how we love to cross heal. It's fully possible to go from 0-100 in the 5 seconds that you're Rom cloaked. Yesterday I got smacked in the face with 3 Hazards and then some when I got Subspace'd in like 2 seconds.
Last night on TS one of the Dev's in QA indicated that the new Universal console "Subspace Integration Circuit" will most likely be nerfed to remove all it's main powers and just reduced to something that shuts weapons offline for a few seconds.
So if you are a PvE player do you use this? What do you think about spending lots on lock boxes to get something and then have it nerfed because PvP players complain.
Now there is no doubt that this console has caused a lot of problem for elite and hard-core pvp players - as they want their skills and expensive ships and gear to dominate - they don't like a cheap console to give players without the same skill or expensive gear the power to be able to kill them.
So it comes back to a primary problem - anything that is powerful in PvE will be super powerful in PvP - how do you balance that without making new stuff useless?
The effects on the exchange on this news are much like what happens in a stock market when bad news/rumors are released - from $4.5 million to $2.2 million and falling - people trying to dump it as fast as possible.
Regarding PvP balance: I think PvP could be completely removed from STO, PvP balance is not rarely but almost never taken in account and the way the game developed PvP got left behind totally long ago.
They should make these items so that they can't be used in PvP.
There's got to be a way to do this...
Then again, at this point, if They would do ANYTHING with PvP, it would improve it.
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So it comes back to a primary problem - anything that is powerful in PvE will be super powerful in PvP - how do you balance that without making new stuff useless?
While I don't like the extent of the proposed nerf I have to disagree with this statement with regard to this console as for most PvE it was completely useless or didn't do anything a little more DPS wouldn't do as well (if not better).
The only problem PvPers had with it was the boff power lockout, it's other two effects were fine.
Last night on TS one of the Dev's in QA indicated that the new Universal console "Subspace Integration Circuit" will most likely be nerfed to remove all it's main powers and just reduced to something that shuts weapons offline for a few seconds.
So if you are a PvE player do you use this? What do you think about spending lots on lock boxes to get something and then have it nerfed because PvP players complain.
Now there is no doubt that this console has caused a lot of problem for elite and hard-core pvp players - as they want their skills and expensive ships and gear to dominate - they don't like a cheap console to give players without the same skill or expensive gear the power to be able to kill them.
So it comes back to a primary problem - anything that is powerful in PvE will be super powerful in PvP - how do you balance that without making new stuff useless?
The effects on the exchange on this news are much like what happens in a stock market when bad news/rumors are released - from $4.5 million to $2.2 million and falling - people trying to dump it as fast as possible.
This game is full of whiners and complainers no matter what you do...guess the best idea is NOT to waste any real CASH into the Elachi boxes till they decide to do either leave it alone (most unlikely) or nerf it.....I SEE PROFITS TAKING A DUMP real soon for PWE and still there will be countless of people whining no matter what...:D
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You're saying the console's getting nerfed because PvPers complained?
No. It's getting changed because it's broken. The Dev that you're referencing specifically stated that it's not working as intended and that it is OP. I guess you "forgot" to mention that.
Also, read my signature for another comment from a different Dev regarding fixing things.
I've used it. It's a nifty console, but it's definitely getting replaced at some point with something else. Probably switch back to my "get da **** outta here!" Impulse Capacitance Cell.
To those that have extra consoles, better sell them now. :P
Ehm, just shutting down weapons? I hope not, it would make 0 sense for a subspace rift to do that and would make the console suck like a black hole with its 3 minute cooldown. I would support making the effect dispellable, but that sounds like the typical Cryptic overreaction that crippled science. The only thing missing would be only applaying it to newly-opened consoles.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
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I'm the one doing the killing. :P
Then your victims need a better way of detecting you!
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Good luck easily detecting cloaked Romulans with their stacking Stealth bonuses from their BOFFs.
Well... maximum aux power, chain EPtA, sensor probe consoles. Those are the ideas that I have when it comes to constant detection.
Less constant methods include chaining CPB, Sensor Scan, and the Nebula consoles. Or the Ionized Gas Sensor.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
In the PvP forum, virusdancer calculated it, factoring all possible buff. Long story short, the Romulans with 5 X Super Ops + 5 X subterfuge traits will require you to be right on top of their ship to see it no matter what.
Don't misunderstand, I do know about all that. I'm just saying that Romulan BOFFs can stack their Stealth bonuses (which shouldn't happen) and keep a very high level of stealth (compared to the level of stealth detection that can be obtained), for pretty much no cost at all.
Now the high singularity level can hurt into that, but all they need to do is just use a power, like sing. jump, wait a few moments, and re-cloak at full strength.
I saw Sad Pandas doing it yesterday when I was 7 KM away from one of their Wells Timeship who merely used Sensor Scan. My Rom had 4 X Super Ops, 5 X Subterfuge + 1 X Sup. Infiltrator. There was no Nebula console, nothing but sensor scan, at the very beginning of an area match before I even fire any shots (hence singularity = 0)
I said to myself: "Hmm...strange, how did that happen?"
Then later on I knew why. The same Wells performed a disappearing act 5 minutes later, corner by 3 ships, losing shielods (on all facings), tractored, hull dropping fast. Pow, disappear. Reappear 10 secs later, fully shield and healed. :rolleyes:
At that point, I typed in the zone chat, thanks for the game, enjoy your special "in-game programs" then warp out.
To be fair, it was 4 X Sad Panda + 1 other that I don't recognize.
I always heard rumors that Sad Panda used special in-game programs, see it in action is just "breathtaking" but not in a good way.
so logging out is now an "in game program"? you cant be serious dude....
Do you even Science Bro?
What you described was Temporal Backstep, one of the abilities of the Wells...
Way to throw out pointless accusations based on hearsay.
I think themarie lives under a bridge and tried to eat the three billy goats gruff...
I was not aware of that fact.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Gotta say, the first time I saw this I literally stopped combat and typed the word ?WHOA.? Into chat. (in an Azure Nebula, so nbd, but still?)
Actually, thats? a lie. Actually, my first thoughts were,
"My, that?s a large gravity well?
Um, what is going on?
That is WAY too big.
Is my monitor melting??
What the hell is,
dammit I can?t see any of the ships?
Too close! Too Close!
WHATTHEHOLY***WOW!
That was coo?
WHOA.
They?re all? gone!
TRIBBLE, do any enemies have that damned thing, and what the hell was it????
So yeah, seriously cool? but my reaction tells me that it?s very likely OP. Keep the visual, though ? serious brain-melt factor.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
The Elachi in the Romulan Story missions. I forget whether it was a actual weapon or a visual effect, and I also forget where, but I know it's there.
Come on, you have a Wells yourself, you should know how to do that - I know I could. Not to mention he could have popped the Rom T5 right after that - with all the spam flying around, it's not unlikely that you could have missed the symbol.
And.....about the stealth detection thing - were you at full Aux power? Did you have full spec into Stealth? Plus he could have deployed the Neb console at the start - I've seen some players do that. What was your stealth rating, by the way?
Not to mention you're so way off on the 3rd party program thing it's not even funny. Entirely wrong type of program.....
A bit of an unfortunate one since it is technically a bug.
In theory, the Romulan cloaks are good because they have a higher base with no singularity power, which means they can be much harder to detect normally. Especially on someone with a good spec.
However, that bug gives a tremendous amount of stealth easily, which shouldn't stack. Add in a spec and high aux power, and a Romulan ship can be a VERY tough target to find.
uh...first of all, I saw it myself - no hearsay necessary. Secondly, I have a Wells, you think I am so new that I don't know what a Temproal Backstep looks like? :rolleyes:
One of those days, I am going to learn how to take video clips in Arena matches. Short of that, the apologists will come up with all sort of non-senses.
It's possible I could have missed the Quantum Manipulation symbol, never say never, it still doesn't explain the full heal 10 sec later. At the time it disappear, that ship had virtually no shield left on all facings and hull is about 30% left, and far from the rest of its team. Sure, there are all kind of possibilities, but the whole match felt very weird as the Sad Pandas had like 3 Wells. Like I said, only thing to show is it to take video clip so that it can be reviewed in public. Let's just say I have some serious doubts and leave it at that.
Don't remember, but on all my builds, I have an emphasis on Aux, especially with Adapted MACO 2 set bonus to Aux.
No and unnecessary, stealth is well over 5700
Impossible, there was no Nebula in the match. Check out virusdancer's stealth detection thread, at over 5700 stealth, it is mathematically impossible to be detected at 7KM away.
If you've ever played against the Pandas, you know how we love to cross heal. It's fully possible to go from 0-100 in the 5 seconds that you're Rom cloaked. Yesterday I got smacked in the face with 3 Hazards and then some when I got Subspace'd in like 2 seconds.
So if you are a PvE player do you use this? What do you think about spending lots on lock boxes to get something and then have it nerfed because PvP players complain.
Now there is no doubt that this console has caused a lot of problem for elite and hard-core pvp players - as they want their skills and expensive ships and gear to dominate - they don't like a cheap console to give players without the same skill or expensive gear the power to be able to kill them.
So it comes back to a primary problem - anything that is powerful in PvE will be super powerful in PvP - how do you balance that without making new stuff useless?
The effects on the exchange on this news are much like what happens in a stock market when bad news/rumors are released - from $4.5 million to $2.2 million and falling - people trying to dump it as fast as possible.
Regarding PvP balance: I think PvP could be completely removed from STO, PvP balance is not rarely but almost never taken in account and the way the game developed PvP got left behind totally long ago.
There's got to be a way to do this...
Then again, at this point, if They would do ANYTHING with PvP, it would improve it.
:cool:
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
While I don't like the extent of the proposed nerf I have to disagree with this statement with regard to this console as for most PvE it was completely useless or didn't do anything a little more DPS wouldn't do as well (if not better).
The only problem PvPers had with it was the boff power lockout, it's other two effects were fine.
This game is full of whiners and complainers no matter what you do...guess the best idea is NOT to waste any real CASH into the Elachi boxes till they decide to do either leave it alone (most unlikely) or nerf it.....I SEE PROFITS TAKING A DUMP real soon for PWE and still there will be countless of people whining no matter what...:D
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You're saying the console's getting nerfed because PvPers complained?
No. It's getting changed because it's broken. The Dev that you're referencing specifically stated that it's not working as intended and that it is OP. I guess you "forgot" to mention that.
Also, read my signature for another comment from a different Dev regarding fixing things.
To those that have extra consoles, better sell them now. :P
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.