It has a 12 second charge time before it can fire. If this works anything like Donatra where it just sits there to get the TRIBBLE kicked out of it while it fires, I don't see this being used very often, if at all. Maybe in PvE, but again, sitting still for 12 seconds on an Elite STF is suicide in my opinion. I don't see this being used at all in PvP. It's too easy for some guy in a JHAS or some other escort to come up from behind and give the poor guy trying to use his new toy an epic TRIBBLE kicking. 12 seconds in PvP is enough time for some of these players to kill a Scimitar three times over. Now if it can move while it's charging the blast, there may be more of a reason to use it, but other than that, I don't see it being used very often. Will I be purchasing the set? Damn right I will, as soon as I get enough zen saved up anyway. My Romulan needs some love, and what better way to show it than to get him a brand new Dreadnought complete with all the bells and whistles and that new car smell.
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I don't want to play a game where something that was written as completely morally unacceptable is now just a toy that people use all the time. It's completely bonkers.
SWTOR doesn't have a playable death star, for pete's sake.
My Romulan needs some love, and what better way to show it than to get him a brand new Dreadnought complete with all the bells and whistles and that new car smell.
Maybe some new dud's a nice filet Mignon Dinner with whine and wild mushroom sauce.. thats to go along with that new car smell .. I hear and agree whole heartedly..
I don't see the big problem. We are starship captains who are already entrusted with the sole authority for strategic weapons release. We command ships that possess firepower which is fully capable of glassing a planet. Why should the type of firepower determine the ethics of using it?
When you stop being retentive about adhering to canon, the game becomes less stressful, and sometimes quite enjoyable.
At this point, if you don't have an imagination and a suspension of disbelief while playing STO, there's really no point in playing. Just go sit in a corner and wait until someone else makes a strictly canon Star Trek game.
I don't see the big problem. We are starship captains who are already entrusted with the sole authority for strategic weapons release. We command ships that possess firepower which is fully capable of glassing a planet. Why should the type of firepower determine the ethics of using it?
Unlike Photon torpedoes, The very act of using Thalaron weapons is a depraved act. There really isn't much that anyone can point to as an 'ethical use' of Thalaron weaponry aside from possibly the borg. Unlike 'glassing a planet'-something that Fed and KDF players never have the option of doing with their conventional weapons-every time a Rommie fires up that Thalaron burst they are committing an ethically challenged act. There are 'humane' applications for Photon torpedoes, the same does not hold true for Thalaron weapons.
The Republic did not want the Star Empire to use the weapon, and when the Remans joined us we did not tell Obisek to stop using them, nor did we give the Federation or Empire access to the Vault...We just did not want the Star empire to have it
If Star Fleet or the Empire wish our Thalaron weapons gone ...then by all means... COME AND GET THEM
Unless the Humans wish to feel how it is to lose a Home world, then I would drop this subject at once.:D
The Republic did not want the Star Empire to use the weapon, and when the Remans joined us we did not tell Obisek to stop using them, nor did we give the Federation or Empire access to the Vault...We just did not want the Star empire to have it
If Star Fleet or the Empire wish our Thalaron weapons gone ...then by all means... COME AND GET THEM
Unless the Humans wish to feel how it is to lose a Home world, then I would drop this subject at once.:D
And how do you intend to get your puny republic to stand on its own two feet by making enemies of the KDF and Federation in addition to the Romulan Star Empire? That is a wonderfully shortsighted plan, and not at all something I imagine D'Tan would find remotely acceptable.
If the weapon actually destroyed weapons in game, I would agree with your point.
If this was a TV series or book, I would agree with your point on canon.
Since neither of these things are true, I believe your points to be secondary to making a game that people enjoy to play and to making c-store items that people would like to purchase.
Yup it just might be...but it's not forbidden to wipe out an entire peaceful science station based solely on the wild rantings of some demented admiral. :rolleyes:
Yup it just might be...but it's not forbidden to create a device that can totally destroy an old planets surface while building a new planet's surface in the ashes of the old. :rolleyes:
Yup it just might be...but it's not forbidden to deliver a deadly virus into a network of collective mentalities. :rolleyes:
Should we continue with the discussion about forbidden things?
It's also useful to remember the difference between wiping out civilians just because you can and killing your enemy in battle. The first is a very bad use for any weapon, and truthfully.... Thalaron exposure kills quicker than some real world weapons.
We can use heavily banned weapons that are capable of destroying worlds and yet...
...we can't wear bikinis and have bare feet in all costumes?
LOL that's a good one. Probably better than the one I was thinking of.
I was thinking about how Cryptic went back and rescaled the Warp scale to adhere more to canon. Then they turn around and are like "Sup dudes. Have some illegal banned weapons that were made very clear to be illegal weapons in both the game and Trek canon." So it's like they cared enough about canon to make changes to better reflect it, but then turned around and threw it out the window again. Do not get.
I can understand they put the Thalaon Pulse on the playable Scimitar, because it's the defining trait of the Scimitar-class. And surely players would've asked "why don't it have the Thalaron Device" if they did leave it off.
But it is ironic that in the Federation, Klingon, and especially the Romulan storylines, we get "Thalaron = EVIL!" And yet, the Romulan Republic is willingly having their captains have it available.
I can understand they put the Thalaon Pulse on the playable Scimitar, because it's the defining trait of the Scimitar-class. And surely players would've asked "why don't it have the Thalaron Device" if they did leave it off.
But it is ironic that in the Federation, Klingon, and especially the Romulan storylines, we get "Thalaron = EVIL!" And yet, the Romulan Republic is willingly having their captains have it available.
Oh well, Catch-22.
It reminds me of a certain empire... er... republic... I know in the real world.
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I can understand they put the Thalaon Pulse on the playable Scimitar, because it's the defining trait of the Scimitar-class. And surely players would've asked "why don't it have the Thalaron Device" if they did leave it off.
But it is ironic that in the Federation, Klingon, and especially the Romulan storylines, we get "Thalaron = EVIL!" And yet, the Romulan Republic is willingly having their captains have it available.
Oh well, Catch-22.
Exactly. It doesn't make much sense. All of that "Obisek, you are evil! Thalaron weapons are too dangerous for you!" seems to have disappeared.
Cryptic should implement a firing code system. You get authorization to eradicate Borg, you use the weapon. You don't get authorization to fire on allied ships in a war game, you can't use the weapon.
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I admit, I hate the desicion Lore wise, as it just seems wrong. I actually care about the world in the MMO's I play, thats why I keep playing. But when the buildup has always been: Thalaron is Doomsday device, then why are the Romulan Republic, a faction I have loved seeing grow and get on its own two feet, suddenly taken such a idiotic move? Now look, I understand the gameplay prospect and marketing of it, its a dreadnaught with a really really big gun to match, but its almost like at this point, they don't care about the own lore they just told us. So personally? I hate the idea. Not often I talk about lore in these forums, but here they just went a little too far.
Exactly. It doesn't make much sense. All of that "Obisek, you are evil! Thalaron weapons are too dangerous for you!" seems to have disappeared.
Cryptic should implement a firing code system. You get authorization to eradicate Borg, you use the weapon. You don't get authorization to fire on allied ships in a war game, you can't use the weapon.
Who is wondering how on earth Cryptic/PWE got the ok to make thaleron weapons usable in this game.
No bikini's.
No T5 Connie , Miranda, and NX.
Yet here we are, with the ST equivalent to the Death Star in destruction capability, and that's alright? Forget Cryptic, I think everyone should be a bit annoyed with the guy(s) in charge of okaying this stuff at CBS.
Seriously, did you guys at cryptic just forget t mention this or something? Is that how you got it through?
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So you approve of a lethal radiation weapon being used against friendlies in a war game?
That's the equivalent of having a paintball fight, and someone brings in the mustard gas.
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So you approve of a lethal radiation weapon being used against friendlies in a war game?
That's the equivalent of having a paintball fight, and someone brings in the mustard gas.
Yes I approve of it.....when Captains stop opening rifts in space, Gravity wells then maybe I will agree with a so called doomsday weapon being used especially since Every weapon in trek is a doomsday weapon.
Yes I approve of it.....when Captains stop opening rifts in space, Gravity wells then maybe I will agree with a so called doomsday weapon being used especially since Every weapon in trek is a doomsday weapon.
Have you even been playing the same game as us? We're told in the Romulan mystery Episode that Thalaron is basically a life eraser.
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I don't want to play a game where something that was written as completely morally unacceptable is now just a toy that people use all the time. It's completely bonkers.
SWTOR doesn't have a playable death star, for pete's sake.
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Maybe some new dud's a nice filet Mignon Dinner with whine and wild mushroom sauce.. thats to go along with that new car smell .. I hear and agree whole heartedly..
LOL ... this comment reminds me...how did that old joke over on the COH forums go?
Every creature in Australia falls into one or more of three categories: 1. predator, 2. poisonous, 3. sheep.
THATS h9ow thalerons work!! I would have never thought of it.. They eliminate our sacred bodily fluids.. YEAH!! Love it.
thats only because it's 1700 years before the death star was created.
At this point, if you don't have an imagination and a suspension of disbelief while playing STO, there's really no point in playing. Just go sit in a corner and wait until someone else makes a strictly canon Star Trek game.
If Star Fleet or the Empire wish our Thalaron weapons gone ...then by all means... COME AND GET THEM
Unless the Humans wish to feel how it is to lose a Home world, then I would drop this subject at once.:D
If this was a TV series or book, I would agree with your point on canon.
Since neither of these things are true, I believe your points to be secondary to making a game that people enjoy to play and to making c-store items that people would like to purchase.
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An excellent question.
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LOL that's a good one. Probably better than the one I was thinking of.
I was thinking about how Cryptic went back and rescaled the Warp scale to adhere more to canon. Then they turn around and are like "Sup dudes. Have some illegal banned weapons that were made very clear to be illegal weapons in both the game and Trek canon." So it's like they cared enough about canon to make changes to better reflect it, but then turned around and threw it out the window again. Do not get.
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Its only a game!
If you feel that bad about it report Cryptic to the war crimes tribunal at the Hague!
I'm going to have lots of fun with the Scimitar.
Nukem til they glow then shoot them while cloaked!
But it is ironic that in the Federation, Klingon, and especially the Romulan storylines, we get "Thalaron = EVIL!" And yet, the Romulan Republic is willingly having their captains have it available.
Oh well, Catch-22.
It reminds me of a certain empire... er... republic... I know in the real world.
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Exactly. It doesn't make much sense. All of that "Obisek, you are evil! Thalaron weapons are too dangerous for you!" seems to have disappeared.
Cryptic should implement a firing code system. You get authorization to eradicate Borg, you use the weapon. You don't get authorization to fire on allied ships in a war game, you can't use the weapon.
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No they shouldn't
Why not? I actually agree with the feds on this one.
No bikini's.
No T5 Connie , Miranda, and NX.
Yet here we are, with the ST equivalent to the Death Star in destruction capability, and that's alright? Forget Cryptic, I think everyone should be a bit annoyed with the guy(s) in charge of okaying this stuff at CBS.
Seriously, did you guys at cryptic just forget t mention this or something? Is that how you got it through?
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
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So you approve of a lethal radiation weapon being used against friendlies in a war game?
That's the equivalent of having a paintball fight, and someone brings in the mustard gas.
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Yes I approve of it.....when Captains stop opening rifts in space, Gravity wells then maybe I will agree with a so called doomsday weapon being used especially since Every weapon in trek is a doomsday weapon.
Have you even been playing the same game as us? We're told in the Romulan mystery Episode that Thalaron is basically a life eraser.