Couldn't care less - personally; the Scimitar doesn't really interest me.
And you just KNOW that the Scimitar Fanboys, who are expecting a ship that can do what the one in 'Nemesis' did, will be crying about:
A: The price of the three-pack (which the screenshots in the first post heavily imply)
B: The Turn rate
And after they've used it for a bit,
C: that it's not the 'I win' ship that they wanted it to be.
:rolleyes:
^---this guy gets it...
also it will be nice to finally have an end game science ship that DOESNT require 4 FSMs and a bloody t5 fleet for my rom...
Wonder if it comes with an actual scimitar bridge would suck if you had to buy it separately . Been waiting for this for some time now hope it comes out soon my spending fingers are getting itchy.
No, you're not.
However to be fair, he probably didn't do it all by himself without any design and validation phase or construction plans.
True, he had collaborators. He was a commander in the Dominion War, and perhaps his people managed to gain the know how there, and perhaps Remans participate in ship construction.
It seems clear though that the senate knew nothing of the Scimitar of his.
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"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
True, he had collaborators. He was a commander in the Dominion War, and perhaps his people managed to gain the know how there, and perhaps Remans participate in ship construction.
It seems clear though that the senate knew nothing of the Scimitar of his.
I thought about that too and my best guess would be that while Donatra went off to stop Shinzon, the other Romulans might have tried to get their hands on those construction plans anay way they could before those Remans found out the alliance was broken and deleted those files.
I am not sure I care about the actual cannon truth. I will always think of it as a Reman ship simply because Romulan ships look like birds of prey where the scimitar looks like a giant bat (with which the Remans seem to have things in common.)
Since we have time before the official announcement, I am curious if any of you have tried to speculate what the ship might actually look like on paper? Cryptic has been inconsistent with the carrier line of ships over the years and that makes it harder to see the ship?s niche than with other C Store releases . The Vesta was pretty easy to figure out for example.
This is is an attempt at guessing the Science variant?s details based off of the pattern established by the other more pure carriers with a mark up to C-Store current quality. (The Atrox in retrospect was kind of a sucky release.)
The special consoles are harder to guess for this ship. I predict the tactical version to pack a thayloron gun console, the engineering version to pack a separable ship console, and this science variant to have a console that allows the ship to fire while cloaked for a limited time with a three minute cool down. I have no idea regarding the set bonus.
How do you figure the ship will pan out stat wise?
I am not sure I care about the actual cannon truth. I will always think of it as a Reman ship simply because Romulan ships look like birds of prey where the scimitar looks like a giant bat (with which the Remans seem to have things in common.)
Since we have time before the official announcement, I am curious if any of you have tried to speculate what the ship might actually look like on paper? Cryptic has been inconsistent with the carrier line of ships over the years and that makes it harder to see the ship?s niche than with other C Store releases . The Vesta was pretty easy to figure out for example.
This is is an attempt at guessing the Science variant?s details based off of the pattern established by the other more pure carriers with a mark up to C-Store current quality. (The Atrox in retrospect was kind of a sucky release.)
The special consoles are harder to guess for this ship. I predict the tactical version to pack a thayloron gun console, the engineering version to pack a separable ship console, and this science variant to have a console that allows the ship to fire while cloaked for a limited time with a three minute cool down. I have no idea regarding the set bonus.
How do you figure the ship will pan out stat wise?
As much as I would love that build I do think it would be OP, at the very least I don't think would get SA unless maybe the Sci version gets it and one less tac console (Like the Bort and Oddy.)
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
If I were to quibble balance rather than be optimistic, I might lower the turn rate to 5.5 and change the hull to 40,500k as the Romulans seem weaker there. Every 3 pack C-Store ship is a 10 console ship so I will not slash off one. I tried to put the console layout right between the Bortas and Odyssey with some care given to the Atrox and Vo'quv to create a Romulan niche and not overlap so much. I would continue that to guess at each variant's layout (ie the TAC variant would have 4 tactical consoles and 3 for both science and engineering).
You may be right in slashing off sensor analysis but the Romulans lack a real top end science ship so I made the call to include it for the Science variant as a sell feature. I kept to four officer stations to fit the other faction carriers (and since it will be a C-Store ship) but it is interesting to note that the lock box carriers have had five BOFF stations each. That makes it hard to guess as they are not consistent. If it were lock box I'd guess at a five BOFF layout. Its the only clue for guessing I have.
OP? Maybe but look at the Vesta. There is and will be cash shop power creep in game over time pushing them to make ships people feel are worth the money to buy rather than just a reskin of a free or already existing option. To really sell us on the Scimitar and make money it needs to wow us a bit and I tried to show that without going totally nuts.
But man, that?s just my "guess" at the science variant. Feel free to share yours.
I wish people would stop using Vesta as an example of "OP". The Vesta's supposed "OP" stems from the fact that people compare it to regular science vessels. Compared to non-science vessels, the Vesta is above average at best.
Regardless, your guess is probably close to what the Scimitar will be. The Scimitar is a dreadnaught, and the only other playable dreadnaught in the game has similar stats. (the Vesta's stats don't even come close, fyi)
I've said it before in threads and in chat, I'll say it again.
If that logic applies, every federation ship in the game with the exception of tiny escorts like the Defiant should have a wing of type-8 shuttles. Having small craft does NOT = carrier. The Romulans' small craft just happens to be the Scorpion fighter.
The way i always saw it was fighters are designed to be used in combat, ships with a wing of FIGHTERS are carriers/flightdecks
Shuttles are Auxillary craft for away missions where transporters are usless, not to be flown into a warzone, (how many danubes did you see in DS9's actual 'War' fights?[by war fight i mean planned, not the first occurance of a jemhadar vessel where the danubes just happened to be there])
The best way i could think of comparing it would be a boat seeing a carrier vessel, and ordering the lifeboat be fitted with guns and deployed (very bad methaphor, but it made me giggle inside)
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This was posted in the Romulan Section a few days ago.
If you go to Tribble now the Drone has been removed.
It looks like it was leaked onto Tribble early and quickly removed.
Still, I Can't wait to see what the Scimitar can do!
I'm sure that we'll be seeing a lock box version of a Borg a Fided Scimitar that well be open to all factions has well, there's too much money to be made for Cryptic to pass that chance up
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Thanks for letting me know I did miss it. I am still not used to the forums with a Romulan Shipyard/flotilla section:)
I was wondering why no-one had posted about it.
Anyways I have my 5000 Zen ready and waiting - which makes me wonder- if all the other Romulan ships are only 2000 zen - will they have the 3-pack lower?
2x3 = 6000 zen vs other ships @ 2500 x 3 = 7500 - so there is much more incentive to buy the 3 pack - but at 5000 there is only a possible 1000 saved if you don't want the 3 console bonus??
If I were to quibble balance rather than be optimistic, I might lower the turn rate to 5.5 and change the hull to 40,500k as the Romulans seem weaker there. Every 3 pack C-Store ship is a 10 console ship so I will not slash off one. I tried to put the console layout right between the Bortas and Odyssey with some care given to the Atrox and Vo'quv to create a Romulan niche and not overlap so much. I would continue that to guess at each variant's layout (ie the TAC variant would have 4 tactical consoles and 3 for both science and engineering).
You may be right in slashing off sensor analysis but the Romulans lack a real top end science ship so I made the call to include it for the Science variant as a sell feature. I kept to four officer stations to fit the other faction carriers (and since it will be a C-Store ship) but it is interesting to note that the lock box carriers have had five BOFF stations each. That makes it hard to guess as they are not consistent. If it were lock box I'd guess at a five BOFF layout. Its the only clue for guessing I have.
OP? Maybe but look at the Vesta. There is and will be cash shop power creep in game over time pushing them to make ships people feel are worth the money to buy rather than just a reskin of a free or already existing option. To really sell us on the Scimitar and make money it needs to wow us a bit and I tried to show that without going totally nuts.
But man, that?s just my "guess" at the science variant. Feel free to share yours.
Like its been said, the Vesta isn't really that OP...maybe its OP by science ship standards...but there is only one other science ship that can equip dual cannons...and no others with a hanger bay. Not to mention no other science ship has the tac boff potential of the Vesta.
The layout you propose is a lot different than the Vesta, basically if you want to compare you're giving up the turn rate and some shields for more hull, a 4th forward weapon, a extra hanger, and a better boff seating.
I would say you're getting a lot for a little, now if you think the Vesta is OP then what does this make this Scimitar?
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Well, if I can be honest (and forgive my language) I think it makes the ship a damn good buy on par with everything else they are releasing. Power creep via cash shop and lock box. What?s new?
So it?s OP to you? Honestly, who cares? PVP is an after thought ignored by most of the player population. PVE is easy enough to be irrelevant. The game is a themepark more about the experience than the challenge. If they ever revamp PVP it will likely be to PWE standards and those familiar with their other games automatically understand that means pay to win... It is what it is.
Three little words - dreadnought, warbird, carrier.
First off it is a rather LARGE ship that packs a LOT of firepower itself with quite a bit of defense available without the addition of the hangars.
Second, it's a warbird with all that entails in regards to Romulans and singularity cores.
Thirdly, it will probably have 2 hangars from which to launch frigate-sized combat ships.
I've seen a few ideas tossed around on the console abilities as well as the set bonus. I would think the Tac version to get the Thalaron blast probably on at least a 5-10 min timer. The set bonus will probably be the perfect battle cloak allowing it to fire all weapons from cloak instead of just projectiles like the Advanced battle cloak. The Perfect cloak set bonus could be the big draw for buying the 3-pack.
As for the different career versions, each will have 4 console slots for the primary career of the version. The Sci version probably will have Sensor analysis.
As for the Scimitar being "OP", I will just recite a mantra I've heard attributed to the USMC - adapt, improvise and overcome.
Thanks for letting me know I did miss it. I am still not used to the forums with a Romulan Shipyard/flotilla section:)
I was wondering why no-one had posted about it.
Anyways I have my 5000 Zen ready and waiting - which makes me wonder- if all the other Romulan ships are only 2000 zen - will they have the 3-pack lower?
2x3 = 6000 zen vs other ships @ 2500 x 3 = 7500 - so there is much more incentive to buy the 3 pack - but at 5000 there is only a possible 1000 saved if you don't want the 3 console bonus??
The 3-console set bonus will most likely be the major selling point for the 3-pack to encourage what few Romulan players there are to actually purchase the ships.
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"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
^---this guy gets it...
also it will be nice to finally have an end game science ship that DOESNT require 4 FSMs and a bloody t5 fleet for my rom...
No, you're not.
However to be fair, he probably didn't do it all by himself without any design and validation phase or construction plans.
And the Remans aren't exactly known to be shipbuilders. Between the Romulans and Remans, the Romulans were. The Remans were soldiers or slave labor.
True, he had collaborators. He was a commander in the Dominion War, and perhaps his people managed to gain the know how there, and perhaps Remans participate in ship construction.
It seems clear though that the senate knew nothing of the Scimitar of his.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
I thought about that too and my best guess would be that while Donatra went off to stop Shinzon, the other Romulans might have tried to get their hands on those construction plans anay way they could before those Remans found out the alliance was broken and deleted those files.
Since we have time before the official announcement, I am curious if any of you have tried to speculate what the ship might actually look like on paper? Cryptic has been inconsistent with the carrier line of ships over the years and that makes it harder to see the ship?s niche than with other C Store releases . The Vesta was pretty easy to figure out for example.
This is is an attempt at guessing the Science variant?s details based off of the pattern established by the other more pure carriers with a mark up to C-Store current quality. (The Atrox in retrospect was kind of a sucky release.)
Science Variant
Hull: 42,000
Shields: 6270 (Mk 10)
Shield Modifier: 1.2
Hanger Bays: 2
Crew: 3200
Bridge officers: CMDR Science, LT CMDR Engineering, LT CMDR Tactical, LT Universal.
Device Slots: 4
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft (Can mount dual cannons.)
Consoles: 3 Tactical, 3 Engineering. 4 Science
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Bonus Power: +10 Shields, +10 Auxiliary.
Abilities: Battle Cloak, Launch Scorpion Fighters, Subsystem Targeting, Sensor Analysis, Carrier Commands.
The special consoles are harder to guess for this ship. I predict the tactical version to pack a thayloron gun console, the engineering version to pack a separable ship console, and this science variant to have a console that allows the ship to fire while cloaked for a limited time with a three minute cool down. I have no idea regarding the set bonus.
How do you figure the ship will pan out stat wise?
As much as I would love that build I do think it would be OP, at the very least I don't think would get SA unless maybe the Sci version gets it and one less tac console (Like the Bort and Oddy.)
You may be right in slashing off sensor analysis but the Romulans lack a real top end science ship so I made the call to include it for the Science variant as a sell feature. I kept to four officer stations to fit the other faction carriers (and since it will be a C-Store ship) but it is interesting to note that the lock box carriers have had five BOFF stations each. That makes it hard to guess as they are not consistent. If it were lock box I'd guess at a five BOFF layout. Its the only clue for guessing I have.
OP? Maybe but look at the Vesta. There is and will be cash shop power creep in game over time pushing them to make ships people feel are worth the money to buy rather than just a reskin of a free or already existing option. To really sell us on the Scimitar and make money it needs to wow us a bit and I tried to show that without going totally nuts.
But man, that?s just my "guess" at the science variant. Feel free to share yours.
1)Falchion Drednought Warbird
2)Scimitar Drednought Warbird
3)Tulwar Drednought Warbird
It's a carrier
one drone hanger pet revealed:
Disruptor beam array x3
Plasma torpedoes or photon torpedoes
Multi spectral emitters
Tri-phasic emitters
Beam array overlord 1
FAW 1
EPTS 1
p.s. the Drones are considered frigates
-will there be a 'generic' scimitar like teh oddy/bort
-will the kdf get any more 3packs? (still missing raider/raptor/carrier) where feds have cruiser/escort/sci-carrier hybrid
i very much doubt it , since they were originally designed and released for the event
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I wish people would stop using Vesta as an example of "OP". The Vesta's supposed "OP" stems from the fact that people compare it to regular science vessels. Compared to non-science vessels, the Vesta is above average at best.
Regardless, your guess is probably close to what the Scimitar will be. The Scimitar is a dreadnaught, and the only other playable dreadnaught in the game has similar stats. (the Vesta's stats don't even come close, fyi)
The way i always saw it was fighters are designed to be used in combat, ships with a wing of FIGHTERS are carriers/flightdecks
Shuttles are Auxillary craft for away missions where transporters are usless, not to be flown into a warzone, (how many danubes did you see in DS9's actual 'War' fights?[by war fight i mean planned, not the first occurance of a jemhadar vessel where the danubes just happened to be there])
The best way i could think of comparing it would be a boat seeing a carrier vessel, and ordering the lifeboat be fitted with guns and deployed
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This was posted in the Romulan Section a few days ago.
If you go to Tribble now the Drone has been removed.
It looks like it was leaked onto Tribble early and quickly removed.
Still, I Can't wait to see what the Scimitar can do!
I'm sure that we'll be seeing a lock box version of a Borg a Fided Scimitar that well be open to all factions has well, there's too much money to be made for Cryptic to pass that chance up
The Feds will get ship equivalents and the "exclusive" consoles that come with them.
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=746861
Plenty of speculation already covered there.
Thanks for letting me know I did miss it. I am still not used to the forums with a Romulan Shipyard/flotilla section:)
I was wondering why no-one had posted about it.
Anyways I have my 5000 Zen ready and waiting - which makes me wonder- if all the other Romulan ships are only 2000 zen - will they have the 3-pack lower?
2x3 = 6000 zen vs other ships @ 2500 x 3 = 7500 - so there is much more incentive to buy the 3 pack - but at 5000 there is only a possible 1000 saved if you don't want the 3 console bonus??
Like its been said, the Vesta isn't really that OP...maybe its OP by science ship standards...but there is only one other science ship that can equip dual cannons...and no others with a hanger bay. Not to mention no other science ship has the tac boff potential of the Vesta.
The layout you propose is a lot different than the Vesta, basically if you want to compare you're giving up the turn rate and some shields for more hull, a 4th forward weapon, a extra hanger, and a better boff seating.
I would say you're getting a lot for a little, now if you think the Vesta is OP then what does this make this Scimitar?
So it?s OP to you? Honestly, who cares? PVP is an after thought ignored by most of the player population. PVE is easy enough to be irrelevant. The game is a themepark more about the experience than the challenge. If they ever revamp PVP it will likely be to PWE standards and those familiar with their other games automatically understand that means pay to win... It is what it is.
Those drone ships, like from Enterprise. Ha! I wonder if it'll mimic random ships and their energy types, or will they mimic the ships they encounter.
First off it is a rather LARGE ship that packs a LOT of firepower itself with quite a bit of defense available without the addition of the hangars.
Second, it's a warbird with all that entails in regards to Romulans and singularity cores.
Thirdly, it will probably have 2 hangars from which to launch frigate-sized combat ships.
I've seen a few ideas tossed around on the console abilities as well as the set bonus. I would think the Tac version to get the Thalaron blast probably on at least a 5-10 min timer. The set bonus will probably be the perfect battle cloak allowing it to fire all weapons from cloak instead of just projectiles like the Advanced battle cloak. The Perfect cloak set bonus could be the big draw for buying the 3-pack.
As for the different career versions, each will have 4 console slots for the primary career of the version. The Sci version probably will have Sensor analysis.
As for the Scimitar being "OP", I will just recite a mantra I've heard attributed to the USMC - adapt, improvise and overcome.
The 3-console set bonus will most likely be the major selling point for the 3-pack to encourage what few Romulan players there are to actually purchase the ships.