Oh snap. I had the feeling it would be turned into a bloated whale of a carrier, but I was holding out hope that it wouldn't....
One can only hope that at least one of the three is similar to the Armitage, and only has one fighter bay.
I can dream can't I
Yeah, I'm thinking the Scimitar will be the tac, the Falchion will be the eng and the Tulwar will be the Science.
The Scimitar will undoubtably have a better turn-rate than the other two and it's a good possibility it will be like the armitage.
Yeah, I'm thinking the Scimitar will be the tac, the Falchion will be the eng and the Tulwar will be the Science.
The Scimitar will undoubtably have a better turn-rate than the other two and it's a good possibility it will be like the armitage.
I don't think so if they live up to what the other packs have, The ships always had same general stats with turning, hull, shielding, and boff layout (except for the kumari set.)
Yeah, I'm thinking the Scimitar will be the tac, the Falchion will be the eng and the Tulwar will be the Science.
The Scimitar will undoubtably have a better turn-rate than the other two and it's a good possibility it will be like the armitage.
There is no way that one of these is going to have a turn rate of 15, and I really doubt any will have a better turn rate at all.
All the other 3 packs the ships have very similar base stats, its usually the console, power bonus, and boff seating that is different, I don't see why this pack will be any different.
Scimitar and its brothers are all big fat slow Cruiser like Carriers, the sooner you all come to terms the better off you'll be.
I'd expect a turn of 5, 4 Fore/Aft weapons, and boff/power/console layouts that correspond with Tac/Sci/Eng.
Hate to say it to you, but if Cryptic sticks to the usual, the Scimitar will have two hangers, since only two hanger carriers can currently carry frigate class pets, like these drones.
My offical prediction. It will come no sooner than the 20th or 21st. It will be a three pack two hanger carrrier similar to the Jem'Hadar dreadnaught. Turn rate will be 6 ish. The three consoles three set power will be the thalaron blast on a long cooldown, like five minutes, and it won't be an instant kill like the NPC one. I'm betting the 2 set will be some sort of damage proc or some sort of perfect cloak that lets you get away from grav wells, tractors, all the stuff that the NPC ship can get away from. Though it might be interesting if they had a two set collision ability, to let you root an enemy ship with your own ship, and both ships take a chunk of damage or something.
As for the consoles, one might be reverse thrusters, being able to go in reverse at your full forward speed or something. I don't know about the other two.
And I would not be surprised if it had enhanced battle cloak like the B'rel. Maybe even a step above that and be able to fire energy weapons while cloaked, since it could it the movie.
I don't think this is going to be anywhere near the Armitage.
But again, all of the above is IMHO. I'm just putting a guess down to see how close I get.
Why the turnrate of 5 or 6 estimates? It seems matched with the Enterprise E in terms of turnrate in the movie when uncloaked, so at least 7, which would match up with the Kar'fi Battle Carrier.
Firing energy weapons under cloak sounds like it'd be hard to balance for properly, unless it only happened for a limited time like a console ability, or the T5 Rom Rep active does.
I don't think so if they live up to what the other packs have, The ships always had same general stats with turning, hull, shielding, and boff layout (except for the kumari set.)
With that exception being the most current, and being a fair success with as many as I see around, they might try something similar again with this three set.
You could justify the Scimitar variants in story pretty easily, after all I doubt Shinzon shared the specs of his flagship with anyone who wasn't on it when it blew. The Romulans likely reverse engineered what they could, so the cloak wouldn't be perfect.
For consoles I can see the "command" or engineering variant have the thalaron emitter, with tactical getting a 52 disruptor bank death blossom and science getting a secondary shield emitter that automatically repairs any downed facing up to 25% or so once a minute.
I think there's a good chance there may be a special singularity core for this class as well, maybe not, but it seems like the kind of thing to do at this point. The Tal Shiar ships have special M/ARA cores, Scimitars should get special Singularity cores, I think. In fact I'd prefer special singularity cores over consoles. One could give a weapons boost, one could give an aux boost, one could give an overall boost.
Ok here is some info from the movie and sort of a behind the scene's type stuff from the guy who worked on the movie doing models and scenic art.
I have 5 minutes to get a post in so here it is?. This is day 4 of the design images for the Scimitar from Star Trek Nemesis. What you have here is the massive scorpion shuttle bay located on the top/forward section of the main hull. The bay itself is a massive open hanger that houses approx.. 1500 Scorpion fighters. the exterior view undamaged will show the indent for the bay doors, the next image will be the interior of the bay from the back looking towards the bay doors. The next image is an exterior showing the damage from the head-on with the Enterprise E exposing portions of the launch bay shown in the interior view. Also called for were Reman service vehicles that would work in the same respect as an aviation ground crew. OK sorry for the weekday holes in the blog posts this and last week, and hope you have enjoyed the nuts and bolts of the monster known as the Scimitar.
That wouldn't be unreasonable considering what they said in the movie; it also wouldn't be OP because it's not like that thing is going to turn super fast.
That wouldn't be unreasonable considering what they said in the movie; it also wouldn't be OP because it's not like that thing is going to turn super fast.
Kumari has 5 forward 2 rear, so its already in game. Now the Roms and Klinks should get something with 5 forward slots too.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Kumari has 5 forward 2 rear, so its already in game. Now the Roms and Klinks should get something with 5 forward slots too.
As nice as it would be I don't think I would want it to be on the Scimitar...I mean odds are the ship won't have double digits in turning...if something got behind it the thing would be extremely vulnerable and hard of turning.
The Scimitar will undoubtably have a better turn-rate than the other two and it's a good possibility it will be like the armitage.
Not sure why you'd think the ship will be a Heavy Escort Carrier when the description quite clearly says it's going to be a Dreadnought. The only way the Scimitar will differ from the other two versions will be in the special console it carries and maybe the boff seating.
We only need to look as far as here to get a good idea as to the nature of this ship:
Not sure why you'd think the ship will be a Heavy Escort Carrier when the description quite clearly says it's going to be a Dreadnought. The only way the Scimitar will differ from the other two versions will be in the special console it carries and maybe the boff seating.
We only need to look as far as here to get a good idea as to the nature of this ship:
If it ends up similar to the JHDC it'll be a crazy ship.
IMHO it's going to be a 2-hanger slow-turning but tactically-oriented whale just like the Jem Hadar Dreadnought. The Scimitar version's special console will be the Thalaron super-gun. I also expect that you'll get some sort of special bonus for equipping all three special consoles from the Tulwar, Falchion and Scimitar like you do with the other Romulan retrofit ships, like how the D'Deridex and the Dridthau get a turning bonus when you equip their consoles together on the same ship. More incentive for people to buy the 3-pack that way. Just watch.
JHDC = Jem Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier. You two are talking about the same thing.
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IMHO it's going to be a 2-hanger slow-turning but tactically-oriented whale just like the Jem Hadar Dreadnought. The Scimitar version's special console will be the Thalaron super-gun. I also expect that you'll get some sort of special bonus for equipping all three special consoles from the Tulwar, Falchion and Scimitar like you do with the other Romulan retrofit ships, like how the D'Deridex and the Dridthau get a turning bonus when you equip their consoles together on the same ship. More incentive for people to buy the 3-pack that way. Just watch.
Me...I'm kinda hoping for something more like the Kar'fi but if it is gonna have a build like the JHDC I would hope maybe it will be a little more flexible boff seat wise, or at least not a lt cmdr eng...would prefer a sci.
A rommie carrier will be nice, and while not everyone's cup of tea, it will be nice to have one. The three pack could get to be a tight fit, several other consoles are also very nice, plus the base lines you want for damage, armor, slotting can be a real pain, so lets hope the 3 console ability is worth it, and all three consoles are too.
And personally I like my jem dread on my tac, but I'm very used to flying carriers or massive cruisers on my engies. but it is far more squishy then my recluse or my Karfi, and a little lack luster without a frig option unless you own the bug.
That being said I think people need to take pvp out of the picture when they look at ships like this, its not balanced, so trying to balance ships around it just adds to the imbalance. with that in mind, I think we can all admit that low turn ships are a pain, takes a lot of work to get my recluse to a 11, and that's not so bad, so lets just hope it doesn't end up with a 5 base, and ends up with something closer to the Karfi, part of what makes it such a big success.
As for the holo cloak stuff, its probly partially fluff, but if the carrier can launch or keep fighters attacking while cloaked, it could lead to some visual confusion, but that's about it.
Oh and fighters vs shuttles. Scorpions are tiny, they are ment as fighters, and rommies have shuttles. IF that wasn't a fighter bay, which it was, then it would have just had rommie shuttles, which would be much better suited to carting people and things around, and still have some offensive value, like a shuttle does.
Not sure why you'd think the ship will be a Heavy Escort Carrier when the description quite clearly says it's going to be a Dreadnought. The only way the Scimitar will differ from the other two versions will be in the special console it carries and maybe the boff seating.
We only need to look as far as here to get a good idea as to the nature of this ship:
I had worded my post poorly, I merely meant that it's a possibility one of the Scimitars would be themed like an escort carrier, but I don't believe it would turn nearly as well. Perhaps some added firepower but only one hanger or a SLIGHT boost to turn-rate and one hanger.
No a dedicated carrier would have been launching wing after wing of fighters against the Enterprise and the 2 Warbirds it was fighting. The Scimitar never bothered. It is just a Dreadnought with a large shuttlebay.
no shinzon was too stupid too think of that he thought since his ship was bigger that he could take on the Enterprise and the Warbirds without help, he also thought he could out smart Picard because he was his clone.
I like the idea of using it for a Carrier. Since it gives the Romulans a carrier ship to use. Plus it did have tons of those fighters in the hangers ready for action if needed. Granted we didn't see those in action. But back in the Dominion War, I'm sure they was put to use. Since it was noted the ship was in many battles during the war.
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Has anyone checked the Dili-store on Tribble to see if there are Advanced versions?
No, at least not when I checked the other day... The only ones I saw were the normal common/green quality (or was it blue?).
There will undoubtably be uncommon/rare/ultra-rare as with all of the hangar items for these drones. I am assuming though, that the Scimitar/Falchion/Tulwar will be equipped with normal Scorpions to start and would have access to buy the drones.
On another note, there is now a big Zen sale! This makes me believe that the release of the Scimitar bundle is nearing, as they often give sales before big releases.
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Yeah, I'm thinking the Scimitar will be the tac, the Falchion will be the eng and the Tulwar will be the Science.
The Scimitar will undoubtably have a better turn-rate than the other two and it's a good possibility it will be like the armitage.
If it only a flight deck carrier-ish thing, I can forgive the devs for giving it a hanger.
I don't think so if they live up to what the other packs have, The ships always had same general stats with turning, hull, shielding, and boff layout (except for the kumari set.)
There is no way that one of these is going to have a turn rate of 15, and I really doubt any will have a better turn rate at all.
All the other 3 packs the ships have very similar base stats, its usually the console, power bonus, and boff seating that is different, I don't see why this pack will be any different.
Scimitar and its brothers are all big fat slow Cruiser like Carriers, the sooner you all come to terms the better off you'll be.
I'd expect a turn of 5, 4 Fore/Aft weapons, and boff/power/console layouts that correspond with Tac/Sci/Eng.
Hate to say it to you, but if Cryptic sticks to the usual, the Scimitar will have two hangers, since only two hanger carriers can currently carry frigate class pets, like these drones.
My offical prediction. It will come no sooner than the 20th or 21st. It will be a three pack two hanger carrrier similar to the Jem'Hadar dreadnaught. Turn rate will be 6 ish. The three consoles three set power will be the thalaron blast on a long cooldown, like five minutes, and it won't be an instant kill like the NPC one. I'm betting the 2 set will be some sort of damage proc or some sort of perfect cloak that lets you get away from grav wells, tractors, all the stuff that the NPC ship can get away from. Though it might be interesting if they had a two set collision ability, to let you root an enemy ship with your own ship, and both ships take a chunk of damage or something.
As for the consoles, one might be reverse thrusters, being able to go in reverse at your full forward speed or something. I don't know about the other two.
And I would not be surprised if it had enhanced battle cloak like the B'rel. Maybe even a step above that and be able to fire energy weapons while cloaked, since it could it the movie.
I don't think this is going to be anywhere near the Armitage.
But again, all of the above is IMHO. I'm just putting a guess down to see how close I get.
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Firing energy weapons under cloak sounds like it'd be hard to balance for properly, unless it only happened for a limited time like a console ability, or the T5 Rom Rep active does.
With that exception being the most current, and being a fair success with as many as I see around, they might try something similar again with this three set.
For consoles I can see the "command" or engineering variant have the thalaron emitter, with tactical getting a 52 disruptor bank death blossom and science getting a secondary shield emitter that automatically repairs any downed facing up to 25% or so once a minute.
I think there's a good chance there may be a special singularity core for this class as well, maybe not, but it seems like the kind of thing to do at this point. The Tal Shiar ships have special M/ARA cores, Scimitars should get special Singularity cores, I think. In fact I'd prefer special singularity cores over consoles. One could give a weapons boost, one could give an aux boost, one could give an overall boost.
I have 5 minutes to get a post in so here it is?. This is day 4 of the design images for the Scimitar from Star Trek Nemesis. What you have here is the massive scorpion shuttle bay located on the top/forward section of the main hull. The bay itself is a massive open hanger that houses approx.. 1500 Scorpion fighters. the exterior view undamaged will show the indent for the bay doors, the next image will be the interior of the bay from the back looking towards the bay doors. The next image is an exterior showing the damage from the head-on with the Enterprise E exposing portions of the launch bay shown in the interior view. Also called for were Reman service vehicles that would work in the same respect as an aviation ground crew. OK sorry for the weekday holes in the blog posts this and last week, and hope you have enjoyed the nuts and bolts of the monster known as the Scimitar.
http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/bay-b.jpg?w=655&h=339
http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/bayoo.jpg?w=655&h=478
http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/bay-c1.jpg?w=655&h=327
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That wouldn't be unreasonable considering what they said in the movie; it also wouldn't be OP because it's not like that thing is going to turn super fast.
Kumari has 5 forward 2 rear, so its already in game. Now the Roms and Klinks should get something with 5 forward slots too.
I'd prefer if the Rom and KDF ships with 5 forward weapons were escorts, not a Cruiser Carrier.
As nice as it would be I don't think I would want it to be on the Scimitar...I mean odds are the ship won't have double digits in turning...if something got behind it the thing would be extremely vulnerable and hard of turning.
The base versions might have photon then the rare and elite versions upgrade to plasma.
Not sure why you'd think the ship will be a Heavy Escort Carrier when the description quite clearly says it's going to be a Dreadnought. The only way the Scimitar will differ from the other two versions will be in the special console it carries and maybe the boff seating.
We only need to look as far as here to get a good idea as to the nature of this ship:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Jem%E2%80%99Hadar_Dreadnought_Carrier
If it ends up similar to the JHDC it'll be a crazy ship.
IMHO it's going to be a 2-hanger slow-turning but tactically-oriented whale just like the Jem Hadar Dreadnought. The Scimitar version's special console will be the Thalaron super-gun. I also expect that you'll get some sort of special bonus for equipping all three special consoles from the Tulwar, Falchion and Scimitar like you do with the other Romulan retrofit ships, like how the D'Deridex and the Dridthau get a turning bonus when you equip their consoles together on the same ship. More incentive for people to buy the 3-pack that way. Just watch.
You're right, my mistake. Edited my post.
Me...I'm kinda hoping for something more like the Kar'fi but if it is gonna have a build like the JHDC I would hope maybe it will be a little more flexible boff seat wise, or at least not a lt cmdr eng...would prefer a sci.
I already own that ship and dared take it into PvP only once, and never again.
I've flown it three times and have curse myself three times for messing up my JHAS's boff layout.
The JHDC is my number one failed ship, only slightly better than the Veranus.
And personally I like my jem dread on my tac, but I'm very used to flying carriers or massive cruisers on my engies. but it is far more squishy then my recluse or my Karfi, and a little lack luster without a frig option unless you own the bug.
That being said I think people need to take pvp out of the picture when they look at ships like this, its not balanced, so trying to balance ships around it just adds to the imbalance. with that in mind, I think we can all admit that low turn ships are a pain, takes a lot of work to get my recluse to a 11, and that's not so bad, so lets just hope it doesn't end up with a 5 base, and ends up with something closer to the Karfi, part of what makes it such a big success.
As for the holo cloak stuff, its probly partially fluff, but if the carrier can launch or keep fighters attacking while cloaked, it could lead to some visual confusion, but that's about it.
Oh and fighters vs shuttles. Scorpions are tiny, they are ment as fighters, and rommies have shuttles. IF that wasn't a fighter bay, which it was, then it would have just had rommie shuttles, which would be much better suited to carting people and things around, and still have some offensive value, like a shuttle does.
I had worded my post poorly, I merely meant that it's a possibility one of the Scimitars would be themed like an escort carrier, but I don't believe it would turn nearly as well. Perhaps some added firepower but only one hanger or a SLIGHT boost to turn-rate and one hanger.
no shinzon was too stupid too think of that he thought since his ship was bigger that he could take on the Enterprise and the Warbirds without help, he also thought he could out smart Picard because he was his clone.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
No, at least not when I checked the other day... The only ones I saw were the normal common/green quality (or was it blue?).
There will undoubtably be uncommon/rare/ultra-rare as with all of the hangar items for these drones. I am assuming though, that the Scimitar/Falchion/Tulwar will be equipped with normal Scorpions to start and would have access to buy the drones.
I know I'm stocking up!