New ship or not wont change bad players in STFs. I just did KA elite. 4 guys on 1 side, me alone in my all cannon mogai on the other. I kill both my transformers and cubes, then had to go all the way to the other side and kill one of their cubes for them. Whole time catching my own probes.
4 people on 1 side! And they still let 5 probes through /facepalm. Scimitar wont change any of that bro.
I feel your pain, happened to me too once.
And I said that I would personally be happy if PVP were removed, which is a personal opinion.
I did not say Cryptic should do it, I just said it would benefit me.
They let you play with the Bortas and the Odyssey, which does seem to be giant new I win ships too.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I am disappointed that the Scimitar is (allegedly) being used as the Romulan flagship. IMHO it would have been the perfect Romulan answer to the Galaxy Dread / Garumba. I would rather the Romulan Flagship be a new and original design like the Odyssey / Bortasq. I am also disappointed that we do not have any Reman ships usable in game with the exception of the Scorpion Fighter (stolen by the Romulans). Romulans need their own unique fighters and Remans need their own unique ships.
But it isn't though, they already said it isn't and just because its going to be a three pack doesn't make it the flagship.
I am disappointed that the Scimitar is (allegedly) being used as the Romulan flagship. IMHO it would have been the perfect Romulan answer to the Galaxy Dread / Garumba. I would rather the Romulan Flagship be a new and original design like the Odyssey / Bortasq. I am also disappointed that we do not have any Reman ships usable in game with the exception of the Scorpion Fighter (stolen by the Romulans). Romulans need their own unique fighters and Remans need their own unique ships.
Education time... :rolleyes:
The Scimitar IS a REMAN designed, built and crewed ship.
Shinzon was raised as a Reman. Remans designed and built the Scimitar. Remans crewed the Scimitar. Remans died with the Scimitar.
If that doesn't make the Scimitar enough of a Reman ship for you, I don't know what will.
Cryptic seems to be going the easy way by introducing the Scimitar as a playable ship for Romulans. By bringing it in as a 3-pack C-Store dreadnought AND as a carrier, the devs kill 2 birds, err issues, with 1 ship.
The Remen were in Remus, a planet that was just mined so how exactly they without any education and facilities managed to build a starship, one that is more capable that any Romulan ship in service, as they were slaves?
I suppose the Klingons should count themselves lucky that Kirk escaped because he would have build a Death Star in Rura Penthe according to that "logic".
The Scimitar is a Romulan ship because logical its the only thing it can be.
On the subject of it being a carrier, or a 3 pack ship for that matter ...
Considering Shinzon's Viceroy announced it like so - "Enterprise. We are the Reman Warbird Scimitar" - kinda disputes your arguement. If the guys who built it say its Reman, then its Reman, doesn't matter how they built it, they found a way and its irrelevent.
Check the movie if you don't believe me.
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I'm under the impression it's of Romulan design, the non canon books seem to want to go that way. The original ship design is quoted to be:
"Our first sight of this incredible ship is absolutely breathtaking. Shinzon's vessel combines the clean lines of the traditional Romulan Warbird with unique weaponry and styling."
I'm under the impression it's of Romulan design, the non canon books seem to want to go that way. The original ship design is quoted to be:
"Our first sight of this incredible ship is absolutely breathtaking. Shinzon's vessel combines the clean lines of the traditional Romulan Warbird with unique weaponry and styling."
If the Romulans built a monster like that don't you think there would be dozens of them out conquering the galaxy with their superiority?
If Shinzon wasn't so worried about getting Picard to save his own life you could of easily wiped out the Enterprise and Earth with the Thalaron weapon.
If the Romulans built a monster like that don't you think there would be dozens of them out conquering the galaxy with their superiority?
If Shinzon wasn't so worried about getting Picard to save his own life you could of easily wiped out the Enterprise and Earth with the Thalaron weapon.
Possibly, but Romulans would not be able to cloak such a big ship with their tech.
Is was the Remans that were able to give it a perfect cloak, which was powered by the Talaron core.
Romulans were barely able to cloak the D'Deridex, and with it being detected very easily.
I've said it before in threads and in chat, I'll say it again.
If that logic applies, every federation ship in the game with the exception of tiny escorts like the Defiant should have a wing of type-8 shuttles. Having small craft does NOT = carrier. The Romulans' small craft just happens to be the Scorpion fighter.
There's a reason why we really didn't see fighters in Star Trek. Physics & science.
Small craft have uses. Just not as military platforms.
Lets take todays lasers as an example. Outside of the atmosphere, they don't have to deal with atmospheric attenuation (real, not trek technobabble) and become effectively rangeless. Tracking systems already in use, can make thousands of corrections per minute.
Lets not even begin to talk about how a fighter would use atmospheric manoeuvres in a vacuum.
Fighters in space = bug splatter. Fighters in sci-fi are simply story elements added by people WHO IGNORE SCIENCE.
There was a time when Star Trek used speculation about science as a driver for future technology. Then writers got lazy.
Logically, looking at the ship design, and taking STO into account, I would say the following.
The hull, engines, and other basic systems were probably Romulan in design and construction. It would take a lot of metal and work to make something that big, even in the 24th century, and I don't think the Reman's could hide something like that. However, the finishing, all the control systems, all of that was Reman, since we didn't see any evidence that the controls could be configured to show another language, at least on the fly. As for the thalaron core, I think that was a product of the alliance between the Romulan traitors, and Shinzon. I see the ship being build something like this.
The Romulans start making these ships, maybe just a few prototypes. The Romulan traitors, already in an alliance with Shinzon and the Remans, manage to "lose" one to the Remans, who go to work outfitting it to their liking, and installing the thalaron core. Once finished, Shinzon has the Romulan traitors set the trap agains the senate in motion, and the movie starts.
Then after the movie, the remaining Romulans think, well we've got these ships, and information on the thalaron core (since the Romulan's left were those traitors who probably helped with it), so why not build some more?
Possibly, but Romulans would not be able to cloak such a big ship with their tech.
Is was the Remans that were able to give it a perfect cloak, which was powered by the Talaron core.
Romulans were barely able to cloak the D'Deridex, and with it being detected very easily.
Broad assumptions, not backed-up by anything.
1.) the origin of all tech used on the Scmidar was romulan.
2.) No tharalon core as her powerplant, that was a weapons intermix chamber.
3.) while feds had a large scale web-method for detecting warbirds under cloak, they certainly don't have anything that would make a difference on a ship-to-ship basis. The emissions seeking torpedo notwithstanding, was never seen or heard from again in the series.
The ship can only be Romulan in origin because the Remans could not have designed and build that ship, you have two irreconcilable facts, one that Remans are a slave race dating back to at least the Dominion Wars and that they also designed, build and crewed their own ships ... on the Romulan Home Star System no less.
The only way this could ever work is that Romulans employed Reman on Ship design and manufacturing but this goes against how Romulans are shown as xenophobes and became a stretch to justify what is bad writing, after all isnt Shinzon now Preator of the Romulan Star Empire?
Then again Shinzon is bald because Picard is bald, they think the audience is THAT stupid.
Lol, yeah, and it showed Picard did have hair in Tapestry as well, fail Shinzon costume xD
Anyways,
The Remans were probably building it in secret, to keep it hidden from the Romulans, otherwise their entire plan would ail miserably. They most likely stole resources in secret from the Romulans, with support from people like Commander Suran and Senator Tal'aura, who were both directly involved with the assassination of the entire Romulan senate (at the beginning of the film).
Plotholes in quite a few direction in Nemesis, but that's the best description I can come up with
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The comics said Shinzons force's were sent to recapture a secret Tal Shiar base during the Dominion war. They weren't supposed to survive afterward as the Tal Shiar didn't want anyone to know of the thalaron research going on at the base, but Shinzon destroyed the Tal Shiar ship before retaking the base, allowing him access to the thalaron technology. He likely found a prototype Scimitar that he finished building or at the very least found the designs for it at the base.
The Scimitar inflicted severe damage on the USS Enterprise-E and Romulan reinforcements during the Battle in the Bassen Rift. When the crew of the Starfleet ship made a successful attempt to collide their vessel with the Scimitar, the Reman warbird was crippled.
Except they are slave labor in Remus, you would think the Romulans would ... you know, HAVE GUARDS in case they decide to uprise, simply put there is no way the idea the Reman build the ship without any facilities, equipment or even training a ship that SURPASSES all current Romulan designs holds ground.
Of course its not as if they could even make up their mind, the Reman were slave labour ... and shock troops in the Dominion War, arming slaves is a very-bad-idea but wait, they were also elite bodyguards for Romulans.
Its just a bunch of idea thrown into the blender, regardless I am not seeing how a bunch of freaking miners would create a ship that is simply BETTER at cloaking that THE PEOPLE THAT INVENTED CLOAKING unless the Remans did back when non-slaves/bodyguards that once again its trying to rewrite history because bad writing.
As we learned in Enterprise and the Undiscovered Country that its possible to escape slave labor, If the Remans were all a bunch of slaves and all stuck on Remus then there wouldn't have been any that survived the supernova.
Plus they had Romulan support, if you don't think it was within the realm of possibility to hide construction of one ship then need I remind you how the Obsidian Order was able to build a entire fleet of ships without the knowledge of Military?
If the Order could build a whole fleet in secret which was illegal for them to do I imagine slaves with support of some of their *masters* could build one ship in secret.
Except they are slave labor in Remus, you would think the Romulans would ... you know, HAVE GUARDS in case they decide to uprise, simply put there is no way the idea the Reman build the ship without any facilities, equipment or even training a ship that SURPASSES all current Romulan designs holds ground.
Of course its not as if they could even make up their mind, the Reman were slave labour ... and shock troops in the Dominion War, arming slaves is a very-bad-idea but wait, they were also elite bodyguards for Romulans.
Its just a bunch of idea thrown into the blender, regardless I am not seeing how a bunch of freaking miners would create a ship that is simply BETTER at cloaking that THE PEOPLE THAT INVENTED CLOAKING unless the Remans did back when non-slaves/bodyguards that once again its trying to rewrite history because bad writing.
I get the impression that the Remans were just an oppressed/subjugated people, not SLAVE slaves, the Romulans just used them for anything they wanted and were able to back it up with force. Think the Cardassians and Bajorans, there were many Bajorans who were "collaborators", many who were slaves and an even greater amount who just went about daily life albeit with egomaniacal overlords ruling them.
The entire Reman population was not in chains being watched over 24/7, it's perfectly plausible that they were able to stockpile stolen equipment and materials to build their own weapons and POSSIBLY ships.
I am however in the impression that the Scimitar was originally a Romulan ship, but Shinzon stole it during construction and he and the Remans finished it (after destroying any others).
As to whether the Remans could have developed a better cloak? Well, different minds, different ideas. Perhaps Reman scientists were able to look at cloaking in a different light due to their unique physiology or telepathic powers? Who knows!
Did anyone else notice the stats on the Drop ship in different in each picture. In one they use photons and the other its Plasma. Also one mentions it works on Scimatar, Falcion, and Dao, and the other replaces the Dao with the Talwur. I take it as a sign that the states are still up in the air.
Although the stats of some of the Klingon Elite Hangar Pets appear to have contradictions too.
I am disappointed that the Scimitar is (allegedly) being used as the Romulan flagship.
Dstahl and Gecko have both said that there will be a new Flagship and its not the Scimitar.
The Romulan Flagship hasn't been introduced to us yet, expect it to be similar to the other 2 flagships with a support craft option. I wouldn't be surprised to see it have some into mission that rewards a free stripped out version like the other 2 flagships did when they were introduced.
Did anyone else notice the stats on the Drop ship in different in each picture. In one they use photons and the other its Plasma. Also one mentions it works on Scimatar, Falcion, and Dao, and the other replaces the Dao with the Talwur. I take it as a sign that the states are still up in the air.
Although the stats of some of the Klingon Elite Hangar Pets appear to have contradictions too.
It seems the actual name used is Tulwar. Dao is probably an old discarded name. Both are sword types.
Well, this is interesting...
Fed Dreadnought = Eng focused
KDF Dreadnought = Tac focused
RR Dreadnought = Sci focused... except the fact that it have way more attack range thanks to the hangars.
I think the only reason no balance is required is because any RR dreadnought will be serving along their allies anyway.
1.) the origin of all tech used on the Scmidar was romulan.
2.) No tharalon core as her powerplant, that was a weapons intermix chamber.
3.) while feds had a large scale web-method for detecting warbirds under cloak, they certainly don't have anything that would make a difference on a ship-to-ship basis. The emissions seeking torpedo notwithstanding, was never seen or heard from again in the series.
1. I never disputed that. Though you are welcome to give me the episode that the Scimitar was used in by Romulans?
2. Who is to say what she was powered by, it was my guess based on the available data.
2. D'Deridex was detected in a DS9 episode called Visonary, thanks to the singularity core.
Even in another DS9 episode they admitted that their ships could be detected, and was
also mentioned when the Defiant got her cloak. The Romulans did not like them knowing
this information.
Not wild assumptions, because I never assumed anything..
Besides, who made you the Star Trek fact police :rolleyes:
Couldn't care less - personally; the Scimitar doesn't really interest me.
And you just KNOW that the Scimitar Fanboys, who are expecting a ship that can do what the one in 'Nemesis' did, will be crying about:
A: The price of the three-pack (which the screenshots in the first post heavily imply)
B: The Turn rate
And after they've used it for a bit,
C: that it's not the 'I win' ship that they wanted it to be.
:rolleyes:
^---this guy gets it...
also it will be nice to finally have an end game science ship that DOESNT require 4 FSMs and a bloody t5 fleet for my rom...
Wonder if it comes with an actual scimitar bridge would suck if you had to buy it separately . Been waiting for this for some time now hope it comes out soon my spending fingers are getting itchy.
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I feel your pain, happened to me too once.
And I said that I would personally be happy if PVP were removed, which is a personal opinion.
I did not say Cryptic should do it, I just said it would benefit me.
They let you play with the Bortas and the Odyssey, which does seem to be giant new I win ships too.
But it isn't though, they already said it isn't and just because its going to be a three pack doesn't make it the flagship.
Education time... :rolleyes:
The Scimitar IS a REMAN designed, built and crewed ship.
Shinzon was raised as a Reman. Remans designed and built the Scimitar. Remans crewed the Scimitar. Remans died with the Scimitar.
If that doesn't make the Scimitar enough of a Reman ship for you, I don't know what will.
Cryptic seems to be going the easy way by introducing the Scimitar as a playable ship for Romulans. By bringing it in as a 3-pack C-Store dreadnought AND as a carrier, the devs kill 2 birds, err issues, with 1 ship.
Considering Shinzon's Viceroy announced it like so - "Enterprise. We are the Reman Warbird Scimitar" - kinda disputes your arguement. If the guys who built it say its Reman, then its Reman, doesn't matter how they built it, they found a way and its irrelevent.
Check the movie if you don't believe me.
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"Our first sight of this incredible ship is absolutely breathtaking. Shinzon's vessel combines the clean lines of the traditional Romulan Warbird with unique weaponry and styling."
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Scimitar
If the Romulans built a monster like that don't you think there would be dozens of them out conquering the galaxy with their superiority?
If Shinzon wasn't so worried about getting Picard to save his own life you could of easily wiped out the Enterprise and Earth with the Thalaron weapon.
Possibly, but Romulans would not be able to cloak such a big ship with their tech.
Is was the Remans that were able to give it a perfect cloak, which was powered by the Talaron core.
Romulans were barely able to cloak the D'Deridex, and with it being detected very easily.
If it also come with a Science Heavy Bridge Offcier Layout my $50.00 is theirs
There's a reason why we really didn't see fighters in Star Trek. Physics & science.
Small craft have uses. Just not as military platforms.
Lets take todays lasers as an example. Outside of the atmosphere, they don't have to deal with atmospheric attenuation (real, not trek technobabble) and become effectively rangeless. Tracking systems already in use, can make thousands of corrections per minute.
Lets not even begin to talk about how a fighter would use atmospheric manoeuvres in a vacuum.
Fighters in space = bug splatter. Fighters in sci-fi are simply story elements added by people WHO IGNORE SCIENCE.
There was a time when Star Trek used speculation about science as a driver for future technology. Then writers got lazy.
The hull, engines, and other basic systems were probably Romulan in design and construction. It would take a lot of metal and work to make something that big, even in the 24th century, and I don't think the Reman's could hide something like that. However, the finishing, all the control systems, all of that was Reman, since we didn't see any evidence that the controls could be configured to show another language, at least on the fly. As for the thalaron core, I think that was a product of the alliance between the Romulan traitors, and Shinzon. I see the ship being build something like this.
The Romulans start making these ships, maybe just a few prototypes. The Romulan traitors, already in an alliance with Shinzon and the Remans, manage to "lose" one to the Remans, who go to work outfitting it to their liking, and installing the thalaron core. Once finished, Shinzon has the Romulan traitors set the trap agains the senate in motion, and the movie starts.
Then after the movie, the remaining Romulans think, well we've got these ships, and information on the thalaron core (since the Romulan's left were those traitors who probably helped with it), so why not build some more?
IMHO.
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Broad assumptions, not backed-up by anything.
1.) the origin of all tech used on the Scmidar was romulan.
2.) No tharalon core as her powerplant, that was a weapons intermix chamber.
3.) while feds had a large scale web-method for detecting warbirds under cloak, they certainly don't have anything that would make a difference on a ship-to-ship basis. The emissions seeking torpedo notwithstanding, was never seen or heard from again in the series.
Lol, yeah, and it showed Picard did have hair in Tapestry as well, fail Shinzon costume xD
Anyways,
The Remans were probably building it in secret, to keep it hidden from the Romulans, otherwise their entire plan would ail miserably. They most likely stole resources in secret from the Romulans, with support from people like Commander Suran and Senator Tal'aura, who were both directly involved with the assassination of the entire Romulan senate (at the beginning of the film).
Plotholes in quite a few direction in Nemesis, but that's the best description I can come up with
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Enemy of the Exile Series (4 Part Series)
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From: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Scimitar
As we learned in Enterprise and the Undiscovered Country that its possible to escape slave labor, If the Remans were all a bunch of slaves and all stuck on Remus then there wouldn't have been any that survived the supernova.
Plus they had Romulan support, if you don't think it was within the realm of possibility to hide construction of one ship then need I remind you how the Obsidian Order was able to build a entire fleet of ships without the knowledge of Military?
If the Order could build a whole fleet in secret which was illegal for them to do I imagine slaves with support of some of their *masters* could build one ship in secret.
I get the impression that the Remans were just an oppressed/subjugated people, not SLAVE slaves, the Romulans just used them for anything they wanted and were able to back it up with force. Think the Cardassians and Bajorans, there were many Bajorans who were "collaborators", many who were slaves and an even greater amount who just went about daily life albeit with egomaniacal overlords ruling them.
The entire Reman population was not in chains being watched over 24/7, it's perfectly plausible that they were able to stockpile stolen equipment and materials to build their own weapons and POSSIBLY ships.
I am however in the impression that the Scimitar was originally a Romulan ship, but Shinzon stole it during construction and he and the Remans finished it (after destroying any others).
As to whether the Remans could have developed a better cloak? Well, different minds, different ideas. Perhaps Reman scientists were able to look at cloaking in a different light due to their unique physiology or telepathic powers? Who knows!
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Although the stats of some of the Klingon Elite Hangar Pets appear to have contradictions too.
Dstahl and Gecko have both said that there will be a new Flagship and its not the Scimitar.
The Romulan Flagship hasn't been introduced to us yet, expect it to be similar to the other 2 flagships with a support craft option. I wouldn't be surprised to see it have some into mission that rewards a free stripped out version like the other 2 flagships did when they were introduced.
It seems the actual name used is Tulwar. Dao is probably an old discarded name. Both are sword types.
Lame.
Fed Dreadnought = Eng focused
KDF Dreadnought = Tac focused
RR Dreadnought = Sci focused... except the fact that it have way more attack range thanks to the hangars.
I think the only reason no balance is required is because any RR dreadnought will be serving along their allies anyway.
Because scimitars, falchions, and tulwars all happen to be swords? And we wouldn't want to make three names that make sense together, now would we.
:rolleyes:
1. I never disputed that. Though you are welcome to give me the episode that the Scimitar was used in by Romulans?
2. Who is to say what she was powered by, it was my guess based on the available data.
2. D'Deridex was detected in a DS9 episode called Visonary, thanks to the singularity core.
Even in another DS9 episode they admitted that their ships could be detected, and was
also mentioned when the Defiant got her cloak. The Romulans did not like them knowing
this information.
Not wild assumptions, because I never assumed anything..
Besides, who made you the Star Trek fact police :rolleyes:
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^---this guy gets it...
also it will be nice to finally have an end game science ship that DOESNT require 4 FSMs and a bloody t5 fleet for my rom...
No, you're not.
However to be fair, he probably didn't do it all by himself without any design and validation phase or construction plans.
And the Remans aren't exactly known to be shipbuilders. Between the Romulans and Remans, the Romulans were. The Remans were soldiers or slave labor.