The T'varo has an Enhanced Battle Cloak...ala B'rel...so yes, they needed to make it more BoP and less Escort.
Ah, forgot about that. Alright in that case it's very understandable. though the other two are a bit OP compared to the defiant, maybe the lower power level is enough to balance. rather have less hull than less power though.
It's turn rate isn't BoP enough to justify the hull nerf, if that's what they're really going for.
T'varo vs. B'rel (Fleet Versions)
+4950 Hull
+0.11 Shield Mod
+1 Aft Weapon
+120 Crew
+1 Tac Console
-1 Eng Console
-5 Turn
Think it's still -20 Inertia, not sure about the Impulse Mod.
-5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
40 Base instead of 50 Base Power.
Singularity Core Abilities
Access to Mega Torpedo console (as well as other Romulan Universals T1-4)
Like Drunk just pointed out, I also noticed the one ship not mentioned in the changes, the one everyone is probably tired of me talking about, the D'Deridex retrofit/ Fleet D'Deridex. I also hope it gets the regent like setup like the Haakona had.
As for the changes to the other ships, I actually like the changes to the T'Varo, both the console and boff layout are great, it can go eng or sci heavy with the universal, and has balanced console layout which ever way it goes.
As for the Mogai I don't really like the new console layout but can live with it, however the boff layout is still pretty good. Ensign and Lt universal as sci lets you run a tractor beam while still having hazzards and tss, so great for decloaking alpha without having to give up sci heals.
The other 2 warbirds I don't really care about their layout or consoles unless new skins are added I won't use them anyway.
I don't get why they are making that Ha'apax so superior to the D'deridex...If one compares the fleet versions, the only thing the D'deridex has over the Ha'apax is roughly 1% more hull.
The Ha'apax gains over the D'deridex: roughly 5% more shield, 30% more crew, an extra tactical console over an extra engineering console, and best of all a lieutenant commander universal boff slot over the D'deridex's lieutenant level universal boff slot.
unable to check for a few more hours. and got to do the tutorial all over before i can even get to the flotilla, great. all that time wasted flying the sorties to get my d'deridex, now thats all gone :mad: i know that character was doomed, but i wnted to test endgame and give feedback on that. pretty fat chance on that now
Leveling should go faster without having to fudge sorties/patrols... I'm going to go KDF again with this guy. I just couldn't take sorties vs. patrols where the patrols could be so easy (scan four things and done giving the same xp as fighting 7 things, scanning 5 things, etc, etc, etc).
Very disappointed in the changes you've made to the Warbirds.
-Now all sci oriented warbirds are the larger bulkier vessels. (I planned to use a Mogai)
-The Ha'apax and it's associated ships look awful. They don't follow the lines and feel of warbirds, no sharp beaks, or elegant necks- they look fat, blunt and un-Romulan. The wings are great, and I see where the artist was trying to go with it, but I won't fly one, even if I have to use a ship that is not as well suited.
-Cryptic had a great balance and flow to the seating and consoles on their warbirds, and now they've been upended. I will continue to test, but frankly in terms of game play and class to ship flexibility I think they screwed the epohh on this one.
-As a sci player I feel I have no options but to fly a large, un-romulan looking tub has not desirability. Where's the TNG Science ship? I'd like to see it updated in look, with a battle cloak, and sub system targeting. And I"d like to buy it on the z-store, not in a lock box.
If you have feedback on the changes to warbirds- especially their seating and consoles, please comment! If you want to see them reverted, or like the new changes, let's give them consolidated feedback- I'm curious what everyone things of the new warbirds layouts as well.
I totally agree- the mogai was going to be a great option for dps spec'ed Sci players. (Or Tac players with a sci spec). Cryptic, I rarely have a strong opinion on such things, but: CHANGE IT BACK. It makes more sense to have a eng heavy D'dex and a sci heavy Mogai. The D'dex will need an Eng player to survive it's horrible maneuverability.
Well at least the nerf came before they took your money this time. :P How did anyone not see this coming? The previous stats were way too good. Final product will be something between old and current versions of the ships. When it looks like they finalized the stats, then I'll decide on Legacy Pack. These ships aren't all bad in their current rendition. However, the Rommies need better science vessels for sure. Nobody other faction uses space whales as science vessels.
Well at least the nerf came before they took your money this time. :P How did anyone not see this coming? The previous stats were way too good. Final product will be something between old and current versions of the ships. When it looks like they finalized the stats, then I'll decide on Legacy Pack. These ships aren't all bad in their current rendition. However, the Rommies need better science vessels for sure. Nobody other faction uses space whales as science vessels.
The only free ship the KDF has with sci heavy boff layout and subsystem targeting is a space whale, the Voquv. Other then that you can use the bird of prey, or have to buy a z-store gorn sci ship or lockbox ship.
Seems like the devs want pure sci ships as mostly a Fed niche.
These ships aren't all bad in their current rendition. However, the Rommies need better science vessels for sure. Nobody other faction uses space whales as science vessels.
Um...the Ha'nom with 10 turn isn't exactly a space whale.
I really want to know where the idea for such drastic changes to the ships came from?
Put the Mogai back to the way it was....
and for those that say we have ltc sci on dderidex and some other ships...most sci skills...are...DIRECTIONAL BASED...go ahead keep your bow on the enemy with a turn rate of 5...let me know how that goes.
and for those that say we have ltc sci on dderidex and some other ships...most sci skills...are...DIRECTIONAL BASED...go ahead keep your bow on the enemy with a turn rate of 5...let me know how that goes.
Are you ignoring the increased arcs on certain Science abilities?
And just because it has a base of 5, doesn't mean it's always 5. It's not much to have that at 10 and with the battle cloak you're over 20.
the appearance of those 2 ships is strange. they ot to do a flagship 3 pack with the ha'apax and the escort and sci ship part. combined they are a cruiser, and separated you got ether escort or sci ship. make the c store ha'apax that 3 pack, at fleet level like the other 2 flagships
Mmmkay, other than the T'varo change, what was the point of all these changes? And why no change to the D'deridex? I guess I'll fly the Dehlan instead of the Mogaii now.
And why no change to the D'deridex? I guess I'll fly the Dehlan instead of the Mogaii now.
This is pure speculation, but ... it could be that the mountain of feedback on the D'Deridex in various other threads cause them to pause and review what they want to do with it?
So they pushed all these other changes forward, but held off on the D'Deridex?
One thing I know I'd like, seeing those layouts, it to take the Ensign tactical station on the T'varo and Dhelan retrofits to turn them into Ensign Science stations.
For one, it'd be different. Low tier science stations are also usually useful / contrary to low-tier tactical stations. and the extra science tilt would suit the Romulans.
Mogai was the only ship I wanted to fly, now..I do not. I guess I'll skip romulans then. No point to roll another tac.
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This is pure speculation, but ... it could be that the mountain of feedback on the D'Deridex in various other threads cause them to pause and review what they want to do with it?
So they pushed all these other changes forward, but held off on the D'Deridex?
I don't know. Just guessing really.
More likely that its the ship they are 100% they want to role out as is. Given that its TRIBBLE, and now the other cruiser is more in line with TRIBBLE, it seems the most likely scenario.
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Ah, forgot about that. Alright in that case it's very understandable. though the other two are a bit OP compared to the defiant, maybe the lower power level is enough to balance. rather have less hull than less power though.
T'varo vs. B'rel (Fleet Versions)
+4950 Hull
+0.11 Shield Mod
+1 Aft Weapon
+120 Crew
+1 Tac Console
-1 Eng Console
-5 Turn
Think it's still -20 Inertia, not sure about the Impulse Mod.
-5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
40 Base instead of 50 Base Power.
Singularity Core Abilities
Access to Mega Torpedo console (as well as other Romulan Universals T1-4)
As for the changes to the other ships, I actually like the changes to the T'Varo, both the console and boff layout are great, it can go eng or sci heavy with the universal, and has balanced console layout which ever way it goes.
As for the Mogai I don't really like the new console layout but can live with it, however the boff layout is still pretty good. Ensign and Lt universal as sci lets you run a tractor beam while still having hazzards and tss, so great for decloaking alpha without having to give up sci heals.
The other 2 warbirds I don't really care about their layout or consoles unless new skins are added I won't use them anyway.
The Ha'apax gains over the D'deridex: roughly 5% more shield, 30% more crew, an extra tactical console over an extra engineering console, and best of all a lieutenant commander universal boff slot over the D'deridex's lieutenant level universal boff slot.
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Leveling should go faster without having to fudge sorties/patrols... I'm going to go KDF again with this guy. I just couldn't take sorties vs. patrols where the patrols could be so easy (scan four things and done giving the same xp as fighting 7 things, scanning 5 things, etc, etc, etc).
-Now all sci oriented warbirds are the larger bulkier vessels. (I planned to use a Mogai)
-The Ha'apax and it's associated ships look awful. They don't follow the lines and feel of warbirds, no sharp beaks, or elegant necks- they look fat, blunt and un-Romulan. The wings are great, and I see where the artist was trying to go with it, but I won't fly one, even if I have to use a ship that is not as well suited.
-Cryptic had a great balance and flow to the seating and consoles on their warbirds, and now they've been upended. I will continue to test, but frankly in terms of game play and class to ship flexibility I think they screwed the epohh on this one.
-As a sci player I feel I have no options but to fly a large, un-romulan looking tub has not desirability. Where's the TNG Science ship? I'd like to see it updated in look, with a battle cloak, and sub system targeting. And I"d like to buy it on the z-store, not in a lock box.
If you have feedback on the changes to warbirds- especially their seating and consoles, please comment! If you want to see them reverted, or like the new changes, let's give them consolidated feedback- I'm curious what everyone things of the new warbirds layouts as well.
...and we've got an actual Sci Vessel with the Ha'nom.
true, but the Dhelan does not have 4 science consoles like the mogai did.
The only free ship the KDF has with sci heavy boff layout and subsystem targeting is a space whale, the Voquv. Other then that you can use the bird of prey, or have to buy a z-store gorn sci ship or lockbox ship.
Seems like the devs want pure sci ships as mostly a Fed niche.
Still think they should squeeze in a Fleet D'ridthau in there somewhere.
Um...the Ha'nom with 10 turn isn't exactly a space whale.
Put the Mogai back to the way it was....
and for those that say we have ltc sci on dderidex and some other ships...most sci skills...are...DIRECTIONAL BASED...go ahead keep your bow on the enemy with a turn rate of 5...let me know how that goes.
Are you ignoring the increased arcs on certain Science abilities?
And just because it has a base of 5, doesn't mean it's always 5. It's not much to have that at 10 and with the battle cloak you're over 20.
The free SA Ha'nom and the Fleet Ha'nom...both actual Science Vessels instead of pseudo science space whales...
What is this Ha'nom? Do you have a link to a post or blog showing its stats? this is the first I heard of it.
I typed up the stats in this thread...pulled from the Ship Vendor on the Flotilla.
Posts #23 and #24 in this thread.
This is pure speculation, but ... it could be that the mountain of feedback on the D'Deridex in various other threads cause them to pause and review what they want to do with it?
So they pushed all these other changes forward, but held off on the D'Deridex?
I don't know. Just guessing really.
For one, it'd be different. Low tier science stations are also usually useful / contrary to low-tier tactical stations. and the extra science tilt would suit the Romulans.
If the Mogai stayed a useful ship how could they get people to drop $? lol
More likely that its the ship they are 100% they want to role out as is. Given that its TRIBBLE, and now the other cruiser is more in line with TRIBBLE, it seems the most likely scenario.
Cryptic checklist for new ships:
Cruisers worthless? Check!
Science mediocre? Check!
Escorts numerous and overpowered? Check!
Done, print, ship!
at least cruiser exist lol
im wondering why they just dont phase out us science officers and be done with it