Sounds good, nice move ..but sadly: too late. These changes have only been made cause the community went mad..they were not planned in my opinion. Fool me once...():mad:
I'm pretty shocked the figures were raised so much at a flat rate. This is probably going to double or more the average PUG's income and raise the skilled groups income by 50% or so, not a bad change.
But I got a feeling that the AFKer problem in Public PvP queues will once again rear it's ugly head, like it did in the old days with the Marks of Honor and MK11 Emblems. So Dev Team, I hope you are prepared.
Fleet Marks in Romulan Events, though much better, still seems rather light.
HARD Events on Nukara and Defera, since these are on lengthy cooldowns, why not up this to 100? That way it would intice those who are tired of the Queued events to visit here more often.
I appreciate the ways of freeing up fm in more than one place in return for removing the foundry wrapper.....that's a good point.
Bad point...Cryptic you could have saved yourself a lot of grief and annoyed people by having these changes in synch with the removal. Also the teasing and wait and see doesn't give the consumer confidence.
Anyway to my actual point. Is there are chance No win scenario 7-10 levels could earn more fleet marks too (to keep it scaled)? It would encourage players to play what I find the most challenging yet fun mission and giving even more fleet marks would only give further incentive as I'm trying to spread the word and get people playing it.
Go on Cryptic, don't squeeze the minority for a change and give us incentive to go as far as we can in NWS .
thank you, cryptic, for listening to your playerbase...there, at least they'll have some positive feedback amongst all the complaining that's sure to come for not doing it last week, which everyone knows is going to happen
Don't worry, people will forget soon enough and go back to complaining how Cryptic never listens to the players...
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
+ oh oh now all the AFK PvPers might come out of their holes again... and still no solution to that and no consequences either... ohoho
Activating EV suits no longer cause the character's head to disappear.
does this mean we will gat the see through EV suit helmets that D'Tan was using in that Tholian Tier 5 cinematic?
that might be a cool option for the STF Maco / Omega Armor too
...OPTION... not replacement (there still big headed aliens etc.)
I am happy to see the FM on PvP. The FM will only be good on the daily. At best, you can only earn them once a day on PvP this should keep AFK down somewhat.
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well, hopefully some of them will now realize that cryptic does listen, even if it's...delayed
Sure they listen, but is it because the genuinely care about the playerbase or is it because they did something boneheaded and needed to cover their butts so as to get people happy and spending money again.
Time will tell if we are treated as players or as numbers on a metric system.
I assume no more content will be added until May, so we will see what bug fixes happen between now and then.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Much better than the "maybe in a few months" that we were left to chew on over the weekend. Thank you.
In the future, however, I strongly advise you to do as one of the posters on that huge thread suggested: build the second bridge before you burn the first one.
Thank you for listening....this is a step in the right direction.
Suggestion: we need some rigor around testing patches before rolling to production. If the patch is causing all kinds of issues in Tribble, there has to be some feedback look to stop it from rolling to Holodeck so bugs/concerns can be fixed.
I work for a large IT company that has (4) major releases a year on a highly used, internal application. All kinds of testing and bug reports are generated months in advance on the QA platform so fixes are made and full regression tests are performed again of the fixes installed on the QA system. High Level flow below:
* Bug identified in Beta Release >> fix developed >> fix installed in QA >> Regression test of fix in QA
* QA team signs off on Beta Release in QA platform
* Release is installed in Production >> Operational Readiness Test is performed to certify the Production platform is working correctly.
* If severe bugs/issues are found in Production, the call is made to roll back to previous Release.
I present the above as just an example, I understand the Releases and Patch intervals are more frequent in a MMO, but I hope some rigor and feedback can be installed.
Sure they listen, but is it because the genuinely care about the playerbase or is it because they did something boneheaded and needed to cover their butts so as to get people happy and spending money again.
Time will tell if we are treated as players or as numbers on a metric system.
I assume no more content will be added until May, so we will see what bug fixes happen between now and then.
Cryptic lies. When they tell the truth, that's just further proof that they are lying.
I assume no more content will be added until May, so we will see what bug fixes happen between now and then.
i figure on at least two minor pieces of content between now and then, plus another ship sale which should be coming soon...but not too soon; by the time it comes around, i want at least 12,000 zen stockpiled and i currently have 6,000
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I only do Starbase Alert, since the lack of skill average groups display in the others means no or minimal rewards.
Disappointed that it's only the first 3 waves that award 10 marks, I was hoping all 8 waves would award 10 marks each, with the final wave awarding 20 marks.
That would be a grand total of 100 marks.
Which would definitely be worth investing my time in doing!
I have no interest in PvP, so that's not a good source of marks for me.
As for Defera and Nukara, I'm never really over there, so that doesn't help either.
Also, can we get level gating please?
I'm tired of joining starbase alerts to find out there's one or two ensigns who can barely do anything and we have to fight harder to compensate for their inability to match full VA characters!
And it's very rare a match can be won with an underlevelled player!
From my personal experience, a player is only at their maximum ability at a minimum of RA Lower.
Anything else and they're finding it hard to assist the group.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Sure they listen, but is it because the genuinely care about the playerbase or is it because they did something boneheaded and needed to cover their butts so as to get people happy and spending money again.
Listening's listening isn't it? Regardless of what you see of their reasoning they've listened to what has been said and made changes.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I only do Starbase Alert, since the lack of skill average groups display in the others means no or minimal rewards.
Disappointed that it's only the first 3 waves that award 10 marks, I was hoping all 8 waves would award 10 marks each, with the final wave awarding 20 marks.
That would be a grand total of 100 marks.
Which would definitely be worth investing my time in doing!
I have no interest in PvP, so that's not a good source of marks for me.
As for Defera and Nukara, I'm never really over there, so that doesn't help either.
Also, can we get level gating please?
I'm tired of joining starbase alerts to find out there's one or two ensigns who can barely do anything and we have to fight harder to compensate for their inability to match full VA characters!
And it's very rare a match can be won with an underlevelled player!
From my personal experience, a player is only at their maximum ability at a minimum of RA Lower.
Anything else and they're finding it hard to assist the group.
Join a fleet. Make friends.
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Disappointed that it's only the first 3 waves that award 10 marks, I was hoping all 8 waves would award 10 marks each, with the final wave awarding 20 marks.
if you look more closly at the notes, you'll notice it says an extra 10 Fleet Marks for the first 3 waves, meaning that in addition to whatever you currently get.
and you know why it's only the first 3 waves that get those extras? because that's about as far as the average group gets before the timer runs out :P
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Listening's listening isn't it? Regardless of what you see of their reasoning they've listened to what has been said and made changes.
Motivation counts for everything.
Does a country want to help the African Nations because it cares about the people or because they want the untap oil reserves so they can line their own pockets?
Definately reaching on that one, but it gets the point across.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
So....could we not have removed Fleet Marks from IOR in this patch instead of last weeks? Would have made life much simpler...
Thinking about it from their point of view I guess it makes sense. removing from the foundry and replacing like this seems simple and easy to us, but i guess they would want a bit of time to see how many people go from using the foundry, back to events and fleet actions to gain their rewards.
its not quite as simple as we remove x amount, lets put x back in as that is not what would have happened, as people would have adjusted their earning habits over the last week to compensate and a good 5 or 6 days of metrics would be invaluable to them.
they want to strike the right balance between players needing them and having too many, as that would also have a negative impact on the events if players are awash with them.
so its a pain for us but its important for them, otherwise you run the risk of getting it badly wrong and having to adjust again the following week.
the whole thing could have been handled better and less vague about their actions, and also players could have been a little more patient and understanding of the reasons but i can see the logic of doing this in stages.
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+ oh oh now all the AFK PvPers might come out of their holes again... and still no solution to that and no consequences either... ohoho
Activating EV suits no longer cause the character's head to disappear.
does this mean we will gat the see through EV suit helmets that D'Tan was using in that Tholian Tier 5 cinematic?
that might be a cool option for the STF Maco / Omega Armor too
...OPTION... not replacement (there still big headed aliens etc.)
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But I got a feeling that the AFKer problem in Public PvP queues will once again rear it's ugly head, like it did in the old days with the Marks of Honor and MK11 Emblems. So Dev Team, I hope you are prepared.
Fleet Marks in Romulan Events, though much better, still seems rather light.
HARD Events on Nukara and Defera, since these are on lengthy cooldowns, why not up this to 100? That way it would intice those who are tired of the Queued events to visit here more often.
Bad point...Cryptic you could have saved yourself a lot of grief and annoyed people by having these changes in synch with the removal. Also the teasing and wait and see doesn't give the consumer confidence.
Anyway to my actual point. Is there are chance No win scenario 7-10 levels could earn more fleet marks too (to keep it scaled)? It would encourage players to play what I find the most challenging yet fun mission and giving even more fleet marks would only give further incentive as I'm trying to spread the word and get people playing it.
Go on Cryptic, don't squeeze the minority for a change and give us incentive to go as far as we can in NWS
Thank you as this was much needed!
Don't worry, people will forget soon enough and go back to complaining how Cryptic never listens to the players...
well, hopefully some of them will now realize that cryptic does listen, even if it's...delayed
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I am happy to see the FM on PvP. The FM will only be good on the daily. At best, you can only earn them once a day on PvP this should keep AFK down somewhat.
Lifetime Sub since June 2010
Sure they listen, but is it because the genuinely care about the playerbase or is it because they did something boneheaded and needed to cover their butts so as to get people happy and spending money again.
Time will tell if we are treated as players or as numbers on a metric system.
I assume no more content will be added until May, so we will see what bug fixes happen between now and then.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
In the future, however, I strongly advise you to do as one of the posters on that huge thread suggested: build the second bridge before you burn the first one.
Suggestion: we need some rigor around testing patches before rolling to production. If the patch is causing all kinds of issues in Tribble, there has to be some feedback look to stop it from rolling to Holodeck so bugs/concerns can be fixed.
I work for a large IT company that has (4) major releases a year on a highly used, internal application. All kinds of testing and bug reports are generated months in advance on the QA platform so fixes are made and full regression tests are performed again of the fixes installed on the QA system. High Level flow below:
* Bug identified in Beta Release >> fix developed >> fix installed in QA >> Regression test of fix in QA
* QA team signs off on Beta Release in QA platform
* Release is installed in Production >> Operational Readiness Test is performed to certify the Production platform is working correctly.
* If severe bugs/issues are found in Production, the call is made to roll back to previous Release.
I present the above as just an example, I understand the Releases and Patch intervals are more frequent in a MMO, but I hope some rigor and feedback can be installed.
Thanks!
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Cryptic lies. When they tell the truth, that's just further proof that they are lying.
????
Ya'll're nuts.
i figure on at least two minor pieces of content between now and then, plus another ship sale which should be coming soon...but not too soon; by the time it comes around, i want at least 12,000 zen stockpiled and i currently have 6,000
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Disappointed that it's only the first 3 waves that award 10 marks, I was hoping all 8 waves would award 10 marks each, with the final wave awarding 20 marks.
That would be a grand total of 100 marks.
Which would definitely be worth investing my time in doing!
I have no interest in PvP, so that's not a good source of marks for me.
As for Defera and Nukara, I'm never really over there, so that doesn't help either.
Also, can we get level gating please?
I'm tired of joining starbase alerts to find out there's one or two ensigns who can barely do anything and we have to fight harder to compensate for their inability to match full VA characters!
And it's very rare a match can be won with an underlevelled player!
From my personal experience, a player is only at their maximum ability at a minimum of RA Lower.
Anything else and they're finding it hard to assist the group.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Listening's listening isn't it? Regardless of what you see of their reasoning they've listened to what has been said and made changes.
but how can they ever tell the truth to prove they're lying if all they do is lie?
there...something for the brains to puzzle over for a while
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
QFT.
And maybe Dan should hit a PR class or two. That certainly couldn't hurt either.
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You mean the "Apply salt to leech" patch?
Yeah that's never coming.
if you look more closly at the notes, you'll notice it says an extra 10 Fleet Marks for the first 3 waves, meaning that in addition to whatever you currently get.
and you know why it's only the first 3 waves that get those extras? because that's about as far as the average group gets before the timer runs out :P
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Motivation counts for everything.
Does a country want to help the African Nations because it cares about the people or because they want the untap oil reserves so they can line their own pockets?
Definately reaching on that one, but it gets the point across.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Thinking about it from their point of view I guess it makes sense. removing from the foundry and replacing like this seems simple and easy to us, but i guess they would want a bit of time to see how many people go from using the foundry, back to events and fleet actions to gain their rewards.
its not quite as simple as we remove x amount, lets put x back in as that is not what would have happened, as people would have adjusted their earning habits over the last week to compensate and a good 5 or 6 days of metrics would be invaluable to them.
they want to strike the right balance between players needing them and having too many, as that would also have a negative impact on the events if players are awash with them.
so its a pain for us but its important for them, otherwise you run the risk of getting it badly wrong and having to adjust again the following week.
the whole thing could have been handled better and less vague about their actions, and also players could have been a little more patient and understanding of the reasons but i can see the logic of doing this in stages.