First you want us to buy stuff hell a free player who has more time then most peeps do buy whole ships and got the whole C-Store because Dill is so low !!!
I became a LTS because my play time is limited and it had some good stuff when you where LTS now its crying with an hatt on.
The game has a lot off bugs STF became undoable lot off other bugs Dill is far to low.
You guys are on some good stuff smoking over there because whatever the fun is we can't see it .....
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
To be a hard working f2p you need to not have a job, life, family. It's bad enough as a subscriber which by the way gets you squat-all that 500ZEN Stipend couldn't even buy an increase in Doff rosters.
Thankyou and goodnight.
(ex-f2p)
you sir are an idiot, it takes me a matter of what 6-7 stf's to make what i can refine each day, wow just a few hours tops soooo hard. Maybe if you weren't soooooo lazy you wouldn't have this problem.
Lame to do this to us? You mean the other players? You do realize Cryptic does not set the exchange rate themselves?
I don't think he does... took me more than 2 months to figure that out myself when I started to play...
By the way... do you think it's still a plausible option, that the dilithium market might come to it's senses in the next couple of months? With about two hundred-thousand ZEN on the exchange and people potentially holding on to another hundred thousand, I fear the only way dilithium prices could effectively rise in the future is if Cryptic did something drastical and released newer Z-store content at exponentially rising costs. (Which is not unheard of, as the most recently released vessels were already a good monthly stipend more expensive!) Better yet, abolish the market altogether.
you sir are an idiot, it takes me a matter of what 6-7 stf's to make what i can refine each day, wow just a few hours tops soooo hard. Maybe if you weren't soooooo lazy you wouldn't have this problem.
I'm not lazy I do not have the time you comp nerds have I can't spend ours behind the machinne I have a famely and I have work I only have a few ours tops in one week maybe if you grow up you might understand what I mean and most off the Devs know what it means because they have a famely ......
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
also...unless the devs are sneaky ninja (which is very likely lol) the dil exchange is PLAYER driven...not dev driven. the reason dil to zen is as low as it is, is due to the fact its harder to get dil and those people that DO have it are hoarding it
I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
No one does 6-7 stfs a day actively and successfully
so you are at best coasting
I can make the dilith cap each day (on about 8 of my characters if its a weekend)
But that doesn't help
because the dilith requirements are massive
And most of my fleet mates are on limited time and are limited ranks
and here we have another who doesn't know wtf they are talking about. I pull in an easy 8-20k dilithium every day just running stf's. Yes I have more time than others, but if you don't have much game time than stop complaining and either earn what you can or buy what you need. SIMPLE
Well maybe they should drop the matter from starbases and embasy's to ask for dillithium then it wouldn't sting so much .
Anyway right now they loose customers over this fleets are going down because off this I see the bigger picture and not like the small minded person o it's good for the wallet.....
jeezzzz
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
I know better than you do I have seen people try and do more than a couple of STFS
they tend to either sit and let the others do the work or be loud mouths shouting "10% rule losers"
And don't swear at me (even abreviated) thank you
You need to either Use what you earn or stop demanding people BUY it from you at inflated prices
Zen is something WE pay for
Dilith is something we can earn as fast as you (and without doing any STFS either )
you seem to want to exploit us
well you don't get to
I know better than you do I have seen people try and do more than a couple of STFS
they tend to either sit and let the others do the work or be loud mouths shouting "10% rule losers"
And don't swear at me (even abreviated) thank you
You need to either Use what you earn or stop demanding people BUY it from you at inflated prices
Zen is something WE pay for
Dilith is something we can earn as fast as you (and without doing any STFS either )
you seem to want to exploit us
well you don't get to
Well said sir.....
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
I know better than you do I have seen people try and do more than a couple of STFS
they tend to either sit and let the others do the work or be loud mouths shouting "10% rule losers"
And don't swear at me (even abreviated) thank you
You need to either Use what you earn or stop demanding people BUY it from you at inflated prices
Zen is something WE pay for
Dilith is something we can earn as fast as you (and without doing any STFS either )
you seem to want to exploit us
well you don't get to
ANNNNND here we go again, if you don't like the market than sell your zen for higher it is a free market. Otherwise go farm your own dilithium and stopping ********.
All that is needed to balance this out is to go through the long list of things people have been asking to be added, produce them, and put them up on the C-store.
When new cosmetic stuff you can only buy with Zen comes available, there will be a reason to trade Dilithium for Zen again, The market will even out.
I doubt it could even out just like that... see my earlier post for the reason. I don't think it's *impossible* for the market to recover, it's just highly unlikely unless Cryptic takes things into it's own hands...
Just so everyone knows - there is no "open/free" currency market in the world - none
Almost all currencies in the world are manipulated by the US gov't/Federal reserve
The US Gov't actively manipuates the US dollar - so does the Federal reserve.
Every major country also manipulates its own currency - today the US almost(but did not have enough stones) labeled China a major currency manipulator - this is been the longest and most bitter currency fight in years with the US calling on China to let their currency rise.
Most smaller countries - and some bigger ones actually peg - or set their currency to the US dollar as a standard to adjust the rate.
The dilthium market is actually not like any currency market in the world - if it was Cryptic would be in there manipluating it.
Which can draw only one conclusion - they are happy with the current rate - if they were not or sales of Zen in RD dry up - they should act like the US gov't and enter the market to prop it up - or peg it
I know better than you do I have seen people try and do more than a couple of STFS
Well good for you. But that doesn't mean you know better than I do. Broad generalizations and accusations which you are so fond of using don't generally help get people to see your point.
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I have gone from 30 pounds a week in zen / subscription to just subscription because im fed up with market speculators (or as we call them in the real world "Gamblers")
I have gone from 30 pounds a week in zen / subscription to just subscription because im fed up with market speculators (or as we call them in the real world "Gamblers")
this is costing them
and im not alone
Ok i'm gonna stop you right there, it's obvious you don't know how to use the exchange market correctly or have absolutely no patience for the market to flip back to what you're asking for your zen.
we currently have SPECULATORS
and they are running the market
thats why sane people (like me ) have stopped trading until the price corrects
its the same as the financial markets in the real world a few corrupt people caused a sub prime bubble (stop me if this is too complicated) and some of the banks went down
but being "too big to fail" they were saved short term by governments
this has led to a global debt crisis in which debts which are infact illusions created on paper now outwiegh the GDP of the USA
you do all realize Cryptic can simply add whatever amount of dilithium they want to this equation ? This isn't free market at work because it's a completely virtual currency which is controlled by folks behind a keyboard : bottom line is they will decide when and if they interfere .Comparing this to real world market mechanisms is ludicrous , to put it mildly ....
Just so everyone knows - there is no "open/free" currency market in the world - none
Almost all currencies in the world are manipulated by the US gov't/Federal reserve
The US Gov't actively manipuates the US dollar - so does the Federal reserve.
Every major country also manipulates its own currency - today the US almost(but did not have enough stones) labeled China a major currency manipulator - this is been the longest and most bitter currency fight in years with the US calling on China to let their currency rise.
Most smaller countries - and some bigger ones actually peg - or set their currency to the US dollar as a standard to adjust the rate.
The dilthium market is actually not like any currency market in the world - if it was Cryptic would be in there manipluating it.
Which can draw only one conclusion - they are happy with the current rate - if they were not or sales of Zen in RD dry up - they should act like the US gov't and enter the market to prop it up - or peg it
as a quote myself above this market will be controlled by Cryptic just as every gov't does - this bouncing is temporary.
All of you need to calm down - all that matters is how much the sale of Zen from Real dollars - {ie on credit card/pay pal etc} - drops.
If the amount of Real dollar transactions turns to a trickle - there will be 2 forces at work - less Zen on the market and Cryptic intervention. Just like any gov't cryptic would not like market forces to cause wild swings - that is why dropping sales will not bring the market to equlibrium - it is such a tiny market it is easy to manipulate and lead to scary swings.
Comparing it to a major currency trading is crazy as only the players with billions can get in on the trade - small speculators have to link up with a company that does large trades through complex mechnisms.
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they could set an exchange rate and LOCK it
Both curencies are virtual and can be created at will
Thus they could lock 1 zen to 200 dilith permanently
you raise 200 dilith you trade it for 1 zen
you have 1 zen you trade it for 200 dilith
no "market" no manipulation and thus no Maddoff moments
plus its a lot less server time
put in a system to swap one for the other
and BANG the dirt is gone (apologies to cillit bang)
I became a LTS because my play time is limited and it had some good stuff when you where LTS now its crying with an hatt on.
The game has a lot off bugs STF became undoable lot off other bugs Dill is far to low.
You guys are on some good stuff smoking over there because whatever the fun is we can't see it .....
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
you sir are an idiot, it takes me a matter of what 6-7 stf's to make what i can refine each day, wow just a few hours tops soooo hard. Maybe if you weren't soooooo lazy you wouldn't have this problem.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I don't think he does... took me more than 2 months to figure that out myself when I started to play...
By the way... do you think it's still a plausible option, that the dilithium market might come to it's senses in the next couple of months? With about two hundred-thousand ZEN on the exchange and people potentially holding on to another hundred thousand, I fear the only way dilithium prices could effectively rise in the future is if Cryptic did something drastical and released newer Z-store content at exponentially rising costs. (Which is not unheard of, as the most recently released vessels were already a good monthly stipend more expensive!) Better yet, abolish the market altogether.
P.S.: Yay! My first post!
I'm not lazy I do not have the time you comp nerds have I can't spend ours behind the machinne I have a famely and I have work I only have a few ours tops in one week maybe if you grow up you might understand what I mean and most off the Devs know what it means because they have a famely ......
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
so you are at best coasting
I can make the dilith cap each day (on about 8 of my characters if its a weekend)
But that doesn't help
because the dilith requirements are massive
And most of my fleet mates are on limited time and are limited ranks
and here we have another who doesn't know wtf they are talking about. I pull in an easy 8-20k dilithium every day just running stf's. Yes I have more time than others, but if you don't have much game time than stop complaining and either earn what you can or buy what you need. SIMPLE
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Anyway right now they loose customers over this fleets are going down because off this I see the bigger picture and not like the small minded person o it's good for the wallet.....
jeezzzz
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
they tend to either sit and let the others do the work or be loud mouths shouting "10% rule losers"
And don't swear at me (even abreviated) thank you
You need to either Use what you earn or stop demanding people BUY it from you at inflated prices
Zen is something WE pay for
Dilith is something we can earn as fast as you (and without doing any STFS either )
you seem to want to exploit us
well you don't get to
Well said sir.....
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
ANNNNND here we go again, if you don't like the market than sell your zen for higher it is a free market. Otherwise go farm your own dilithium and stopping ********.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I doubt it could even out just like that... see my earlier post for the reason. I don't think it's *impossible* for the market to recover, it's just highly unlikely unless Cryptic takes things into it's own hands...
I am NOT trading at your price
And im saying its time to not have a "free market"
A fixed rate to prevent this speculation and "Quarking"
You want Zen
BUY it from Perfect world
I suggest anyone who has a stipend hang onto it
Until the price returns to a fair value.
oh and when the price was 250 I sold at 170 because that IS a fair price
you see the "market" is a bad thing
its why America is going down the pan and why half of Europe is going broke
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Firstly the "free market" isn't a "free market" its being manipulated
now lets not resort to "text speak" please and again swearing
when the price returns to balance some of us will trade again
for now
its time for the market to regulate or die
Just like the real financial markets
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Almost all currencies in the world are manipulated by the US gov't/Federal reserve
The US Gov't actively manipuates the US dollar - so does the Federal reserve.
Every major country also manipulates its own currency - today the US almost(but did not have enough stones) labeled China a major currency manipulator - this is been the longest and most bitter currency fight in years with the US calling on China to let their currency rise.
Most smaller countries - and some bigger ones actually peg - or set their currency to the US dollar as a standard to adjust the rate.
The dilthium market is actually not like any currency market in the world - if it was Cryptic would be in there manipluating it.
Which can draw only one conclusion - they are happy with the current rate - if they were not or sales of Zen in RD dry up - they should act like the US gov't and enter the market to prop it up - or peg it
Ummm. I do. And I know plenty in my fleet that do as well.
Well good for you. But that doesn't mean you know better than I do. Broad generalizations and accusations which you are so fond of using don't generally help get people to see your point.
Come join the 44th Fleet.
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You not U
You are not U R
Zen not Zne
and laughing your arm off won't help
Regulation or collapse
thats the real world
Cryptic are the regulators here. They will regulate for maximum profit without collapse, provided their information is good.
I have gone from 30 pounds a week in zen / subscription to just subscription because im fed up with market speculators (or as we call them in the real world "Gamblers")
this is costing them
and im not alone
Ok i'm gonna stop you right there, it's obvious you don't know how to use the exchange market correctly or have absolutely no patience for the market to flip back to what you're asking for your zen.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I understand it very well
we currently have SPECULATORS
and they are running the market
thats why sane people (like me ) have stopped trading until the price corrects
its the same as the financial markets in the real world a few corrupt people caused a sub prime bubble (stop me if this is too complicated) and some of the banks went down
but being "too big to fail" they were saved short term by governments
this has led to a global debt crisis in which debts which are infact illusions created on paper now outwiegh the GDP of the USA
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
And as my spelling is better than yours (and English is not my first language) be careful who you are calling an idiot.
I am anti crook yes
I think Criminals should be in jail
and that includes people who commit credit based frauds and investment frauds yes
thats not "bigot" thats "tax payer"
regardless of the lock value it will kill the speculation and thus increase player base
as a quote myself above this market will be controlled by Cryptic just as every gov't does - this bouncing is temporary.
All of you need to calm down - all that matters is how much the sale of Zen from Real dollars - {ie on credit card/pay pal etc} - drops.
If the amount of Real dollar transactions turns to a trickle - there will be 2 forces at work - less Zen on the market and Cryptic intervention. Just like any gov't cryptic would not like market forces to cause wild swings - that is why dropping sales will not bring the market to equlibrium - it is such a tiny market it is easy to manipulate and lead to scary swings.
Comparing it to a major currency trading is crazy as only the players with billions can get in on the trade - small speculators have to link up with a company that does large trades through complex mechnisms.