so the more items that cost refine dilithium the more dil exchange will crash
the less money pwe will make.
It works both ways, when mega low and mega high. People have reasons to buy zen to purchase dilithium. When it's high, dil buyers are more prone to throw a dollar or 50 at it. When it's low and everything costs dilithium with a daily 8k refine limit in place, dil buyers are prone to throw a dollar or 50 at it. It's really somewhere in the middle when people stop having that kind of demand for dilithium. Demand is still there but it's stable. You could go either way, buy or not buy. It doesn't really matter because when it's at that half way mark it means there's no major demand for dilithium due to in game conditions.
What Cryptic has essentially done despite their best efforts to convince us otherwise, is to just guarantee they get more money out of us by keeping it on the low end indefinitely. They can now give us all the dilithium we want but the damage is done for at least as long as the s6-7 age continues and providing they don't throw even more TRIBBLE at us to eat up dilithium, which they will.
I'm okay with this now, by the way. It is their right to do it if it is in fact what they are doing. But as always I will remind them that I also have my own right to say enough is enough and walk away. There are limits to be mindful about. No one wants to be the next SWG or FFXIV. One must ensure that during their money making endeavors they do not drop the ball in the worst possible way and TRIBBLE themselves over horribly. Not that Cryptic has much to worry about with all the games they got floating about, but you know, someone has to get the blame and ultimately be fired over a failure. Just saying, it's enough to care about not TRIBBLE up horribly in the eyes of PWE.
At the end of the day this is just about dilithium. Either you take the long road or the short road. Short road costs money, period. And as long as that 50 limit is in place I think they're pretty safe from TRIBBLE themselves over horribly, but it's not earning them brownie points, that's for sure. Now if you want to talk TRIBBLE ups, well, we all know about the s7 launch, don't we? Talk about needing to hire new advisors. They can advise them to heed the warnings of tribble testers next time. Not ALL gamers are stupid, you know. Some of us take this **** seriously.
Dilithium Exchange at the time of this post:
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Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
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I think the better solution would be for you to get over the fact that the lines of supply and demand determine the price of Zen here!
The most amazing part? The supply is still pretty good and the turn around time isn't that much longer. Some players are still having a fit over the loss of their one click exploit missions so they've taken their ball and gone home.
The only thing about the exchange I don't like is the fact that only shows that small bracket of exchange rates. To become a true, player-controlled market, we should be able to see the whole range of offers, from 50 dil/zen up to the 400 (?) dil/zen cap at all times.
Other than that...love it. Bought myself a bunch of stuff on the zen-store which would have taken me 2-3 times as long a few months ago.
The only thing about the exchange I don't like is the fact that only shows that small bracket of exchange rates. To become a true, player-controlled market, we should be able to see the whole range of offers, from 50 dil/zen up to the 400 (?) dil/zen cap at all times.
Other than that...love it. Bought myself a bunch of stuff on the zen-store which would have taken me 2-3 times as long a few months ago.
The only point to having more than the current winning-bid price displayed for each side is to get a sense of which way the preponderance of supply is nudging the market.
I'm just about out of C-store stuff that I really want to buy. I mean, I cold probably casually grind up a Vesta set in this dil economy, but I don't want one. Maybe start another KDF char and use the Nausicaan ships or Orion ones...
Well its official only a complete idiot /total newcomer would trade zen at this price
so dilith is now worthless
Or someone with lots of money and little time. Incidentally that is the kind of customer that F2P MMOs love to have. Someone who places a high value on their free time and is not adverse to spending lavishly on their hobbies. Not to mention the appreciation they deservedly get from their fleet if they dump it all into the starbase.
Sadly, players that are neither whales not zero cash F2P'ers are the ones that will be unsatisfied with the current system. Because value is relative and they find themselves on teh wrong side of a constantly moving curve. To all such players the only advice anyone can give you is to transition to full F2P mode and simply accept the game offers too little value to YOU for what you used to pay... but its still a GREAT value if you aren't paying for it at all.
This whole exchange NEEDS to be locked to a set value and left there
No. That defeats the purpose.
The prices wouldn't be where they are if people weren't buying at those prices. If its too expensive for you, just don't buy. When enough people stop buying, supply goes up and dilithium value drops.
The prices wouldn't be where they are if people weren't buying at those prices. If its too expensive for you, just don't buy. When enough people stop buying, supply goes up and dilithium value drops.
Myth
the "purpose" currently seems to be to make a profit for the Dilith mafia
the speculators
Forget expensive (I could right now buy 10,000 zen if I wanted to)
but the point is its no longer worth it
dilith is not worth the price
and it won't be until the speculators are shut down
A Tax? Seriously, what a stupid idea. Like we need another sink. :rolleyes:
It's Cryptics fault for nerfing Dilitium income in the first place.
Even when they restored it, they set the fall in motion and people with lots of Dilthium saw they didn't have to pay for the current rate if they aren't in a hurry.
So they just didn't buy for a while hoping for a better rate.
And without people buying up offers since there is nothing good in the C-Store it just kept on falling.
Adding some scam like an artificial tax won't do a thing. You're just going to get even less than now.
I don't know if this was Cryptics goal or not. I mean they had to see this coming.
With a system like the Dilithium exchange in place, where Dil and Zen can easily be exchanged.
If you up the value of Dilithium by decreasing the supply, while Zen currently has the same uses as before, lockbox gambleing and buying Fleet modules.
I suppose they were hoping people with too much money on their hands will keep on buying regardless of the bad rates to get their Dilithium supply.
I don't know if it worked or if everyone just stopped buying Zen until the rates get better.
But personally I like it. I have tons of Dilitium, and can buy Zen for cheap.
Edit: Of course they claimed the Dilithium nerf would *increase* the amount of Dilithium. So maybe they just are that stupid.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
I don't know what the problem is, I'm getting vastly more dilithium than before, I'm maxed out for the first time since dilithium was introduced and that's just from doing what I want to do in the game, which is how it should have been in the first place. I definitely think this supports casual players a lot more though, rather than farmers who were abusing the system to just get as much as possible.
There are people deliberately changing the rate to make a profit (we call these people Speculators)
indeed there are people out there with zen balances in the 6 figures
there should be a cap on zen ownership
AND dilith ownership
A group of speculators (numbering in the dozens not the thousands) are scamming the hell out of the exchange
This is why it needs to be FIXED
iron clad and locked down
OR auto convert any stockpile of Dilith over 1 million into zen at the going rate and any stockpile of Zen over 20,000 into dilith at the going rate
OR allow a person to EITHER buy or sell zen in any 48 hour period
or both such options
or perhaps a 20% tax on profits
And penalize people like me, who takes this opportunity to buy zen cheaper, and unlock costumes/various item ?
What's the point of a free zen/dil market, if it's not free ?
Some people will always find a way to scam something. They represent a minority, and penalizing the whole community because of them is bad. Especially when they won't be penalized that much.
They already broke the DOFF system, and it was a minigame I liked to do. Now, I don't do it anymore, because of the dil cost. They nerfed the foundry mission reward, it was the foundry author and player that was penalized for a while. Some of them are still penalized.
Scammer already found another efficient way to do their business.
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It works both ways, when mega low and mega high. People have reasons to buy zen to purchase dilithium. When it's high, dil buyers are more prone to throw a dollar or 50 at it. When it's low and everything costs dilithium with a daily 8k refine limit in place, dil buyers are prone to throw a dollar or 50 at it. It's really somewhere in the middle when people stop having that kind of demand for dilithium. Demand is still there but it's stable. You could go either way, buy or not buy. It doesn't really matter because when it's at that half way mark it means there's no major demand for dilithium due to in game conditions.
What Cryptic has essentially done despite their best efforts to convince us otherwise, is to just guarantee they get more money out of us by keeping it on the low end indefinitely. They can now give us all the dilithium we want but the damage is done for at least as long as the s6-7 age continues and providing they don't throw even more TRIBBLE at us to eat up dilithium, which they will.
I'm okay with this now, by the way. It is their right to do it if it is in fact what they are doing. But as always I will remind them that I also have my own right to say enough is enough and walk away. There are limits to be mindful about. No one wants to be the next SWG or FFXIV. One must ensure that during their money making endeavors they do not drop the ball in the worst possible way and TRIBBLE themselves over horribly. Not that Cryptic has much to worry about with all the games they got floating about, but you know, someone has to get the blame and ultimately be fired over a failure. Just saying, it's enough to care about not TRIBBLE up horribly in the eyes of PWE.
At the end of the day this is just about dilithium. Either you take the long road or the short road. Short road costs money, period. And as long as that 50 limit is in place I think they're pretty safe from TRIBBLE themselves over horribly, but it's not earning them brownie points, that's for sure. Now if you want to talk TRIBBLE ups, well, we all know about the s7 launch, don't we? Talk about needing to hire new advisors. They can advise them to heed the warnings of tribble testers next time. Not ALL gamers are stupid, you know. Some of us take this **** seriously.
Buy Zen 99
Sell Zen 98
Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
Fleets: Warriors of the Phoenix, Kirian Industries[/SIGPIC]
Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
I love it.
Then it'd just be another vendor, not a player based economic system.
I think the better solution would be for you to get over the fact that the lines of supply and demand determine the price of Zen here!
There is a Mountain of Zen for sale at 99/100/101/102 totalling more than 500k
98-94 there is only 150k
looks like a cliff
people must be selling their blood to buy Zen
It's a happy Christmas for Cryptic
I just hope people are not wasting it on Starbases - i still don't see the benefits to the stuff you get vs the amount of resources it cost to obtain.
The most amazing part? The supply is still pretty good and the turn around time isn't that much longer. Some players are still having a fit over the loss of their one click exploit missions so they've taken their ball and gone home.
Other than that...love it. Bought myself a bunch of stuff on the zen-store which would have taken me 2-3 times as long a few months ago.
The only point to having more than the current winning-bid price displayed for each side is to get a sense of which way the preponderance of supply is nudging the market.
I'm just about out of C-store stuff that I really want to buy. I mean, I cold probably casually grind up a Vesta set in this dil economy, but I don't want one. Maybe start another KDF char and use the Nausicaan ships or Orion ones...
Or someone with lots of money and little time. Incidentally that is the kind of customer that F2P MMOs love to have. Someone who places a high value on their free time and is not adverse to spending lavishly on their hobbies. Not to mention the appreciation they deservedly get from their fleet if they dump it all into the starbase.
Sadly, players that are neither whales not zero cash F2P'ers are the ones that will be unsatisfied with the current system. Because value is relative and they find themselves on teh wrong side of a constantly moving curve. To all such players the only advice anyone can give you is to transition to full F2P mode and simply accept the game offers too little value to YOU for what you used to pay... but its still a GREAT value if you aren't paying for it at all.
They don't
A group of speculators (numbering in the dozens not the thousands) are scamming the hell out of the exchange
This is why it needs to be FIXED
iron clad and locked down
OR auto convert any stockpile of Dilith over 1 million into zen at the going rate and any stockpile of Zen over 20,000 into dilith at the going rate
OR allow a person to EITHER buy or sell zen in any 48 hour period
or both such options
or perhaps a 20% tax on profits
Its a bad thing to do, and without any proof.
No. That defeats the purpose.
The prices wouldn't be where they are if people weren't buying at those prices. If its too expensive for you, just don't buy. When enough people stop buying, supply goes up and dilithium value drops.
Myth
the "purpose" currently seems to be to make a profit for the Dilith mafia
the speculators
Forget expensive (I could right now buy 10,000 zen if I wanted to)
but the point is its no longer worth it
dilith is not worth the price
and it won't be until the speculators are shut down
It's Cryptics fault for nerfing Dilitium income in the first place.
Even when they restored it, they set the fall in motion and people with lots of Dilthium saw they didn't have to pay for the current rate if they aren't in a hurry.
So they just didn't buy for a while hoping for a better rate.
And without people buying up offers since there is nothing good in the C-Store it just kept on falling.
Adding some scam like an artificial tax won't do a thing. You're just going to get even less than now.
I don't know if this was Cryptics goal or not. I mean they had to see this coming.
With a system like the Dilithium exchange in place, where Dil and Zen can easily be exchanged.
If you up the value of Dilithium by decreasing the supply, while Zen currently has the same uses as before, lockbox gambleing and buying Fleet modules.
I suppose they were hoping people with too much money on their hands will keep on buying regardless of the bad rates to get their Dilithium supply.
I don't know if it worked or if everyone just stopped buying Zen until the rates get better.
But personally I like it. I have tons of Dilitium, and can buy Zen for cheap.
Edit: Of course they claimed the Dilithium nerf would *increase* the amount of Dilithium. So maybe they just are that stupid.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
imagine if every time someone bought zen with dilith a 5th of the zen vanished
and every time someone bought the dilith a 5th vanished
the Tax then goes to pay for CONTENT
Actually Id like to see all speculation STOP
the main exchange be capped at +/- 10% of base price
and a limit on the amount of ZEN an account can have
Buying Zen already does that. Putting some fake 20% on top is nothing more than a scam.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
Where is your proof that the current rates are the results of specuation?
but its definately happening
I have seen 40,000 zen snapped up in 5 seconds
There are people deliberately changing the rate to make a profit (we call these people Speculators)
indeed there are people out there with zen balances in the 6 figures
there should be a cap on zen ownership
AND dilith ownership
I am just puzzled developers want the dil rate to be low, I guess it make sense if they assume people will buy dil for zen no matter how low it gets.
From my perspective people who throw cash at zen are entitled to get a lot out of it.
This Game needs income.
We need a cash flow to pay for content
and would not a tax on speculation be better than lockboxes ??
But while speculation exists the whole game is under threat
its much the same as real world financial speculation
it only harms
What's the point of a free zen/dil market, if it's not free ?
Some people will always find a way to scam something. They represent a minority, and penalizing the whole community because of them is bad. Especially when they won't be penalized that much.
They already broke the DOFF system, and it was a minigame I liked to do. Now, I don't do it anymore, because of the dil cost. They nerfed the foundry mission reward, it was the foundry author and player that was penalized for a while. Some of them are still penalized.
Scammer already found another efficient way to do their business.