Because people decided to be nice to the economically troubled players and give them a break. Enjoy it agai before the greed kicks back in
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There are at least four "cartels" buying and selling in bulk (if you don't believe me check on yahoo)
and we need to kill speculation like this DEAD
maybe automatically trade any Dilith on the exchange at 150 per and close the exchange
then leave it closed for say a week to clear out the farmers and speculators
Expect Dilithium to go back up as Fleets approach the final stretch of tier 5 in their starbase projects, that and towards the end of season 7 and the beginning of season 8.
Season 7 has hit the playerbase pretty hard in their Dilitium wallets, thats because of the severe changes towards Dilitium earnings - this may change come season 8 - and who knows, the Devs may decide to have players earn more dilithium via different means.
As players get use to the new changes, there will be means to exploit or find short cuts to gain dilithium. It is only a matter of time.
So those who sit upon mountains and mountains of Dilithium ore - I urge you to jump on that Zen Gravy train.
UNLESS: You realize that Zen is pretty much worthless if you bought everything - then I recommend horde, horde, horde as much as you can.
Afterall - There isn't much to buy with Zen - unless you're a pathetic fool like me and want to spend zen on more toon slots. :P
lockbox keys need to be bind on purchase
Dilith-zen needs to be set and locked
projects need to have a zen requirement /option instead of dilith
The market should list ALL available prices not merely the lowest
And then there will be even less of a reason to play STO.
As it is Season 7 has drastically reduced my gaming time in STO and has certainly reduced my enjoyment of the game.
One of the main contributors to the drop in this exchange was the loss of "clickies" and other Foundry changes. Easy Dilithium evaporated - and this is exactly what PWE wanted. S6 introduced a "need" for vast amounts of Dilithium (Starbase projects) and people paid real money for zen just to convert to Dilithium (instead of grinding it).
So, what should PWE do to increase their profits? S7: Cause the exchange rate to crash by removing the easy dilithium. Claiming that it was a "cheat" - and then not just remove the clickies but any foundry project that takes less than 20 minutes each (thus a minimum of an hour per play).
I wouldn't be surprised if we see other avenues for easy dilithium being removed from the game (i.e. the Path to 2409 is next).
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... but any foundry project that takes less than 20 minutes each (thus a minimum of an hour per play).
I wouldn't be surprised if we see other avenues for easy dilithium being removed from the game (i.e. the Path to 2409 is next).
The clickies I understand, but I have a strange feeling that Cryptic may change the length of time of each foundry mission - To be honest 20 minutes is a bit too excessive and unrealistic.
I look at it this way - I enjoy the foundry missions and would want to play them on my own time and at my own pace.
On the otherhand I want to fulfill the requirements on a daily basis to earn the Dilithium.
Cryptic needs to find a balance between the two. That is they need to understand that people simply want to farm the dailies, with the option to casually play the foundry at their own pace.
They either need to up the ante in the Dilithium earnings if the 20minute policy is a must, or drastically reduce the time pre-requiste for the daily.
I still say 10minutes is a good number - No clickies involved and it fulfills the needs of farming the Dilithium. That also gives the player the option to play the foundry at their own pace and not force the issue on the playerbase.
As of right now the Foundry is broken and needs to be shut down and patched up.
im giving my fleet some 10 - 20k dill a day, gotta stop it cause my EC reserves are going thin
every time i get some Zen, i wanna keep it till it has more value, but then, i do need all these DOFF slots, and 2 more toons perhaps, once again MORE DOFF slots..
i would buy the account bank slots, but 1000Zen is just too much..
apart from that, there is NOTHING in the Zen store that would wake my interest.
So - nothing is telling me to GIVE THEM CASH.. !!! With being a 930 days veteran, the old way, now silver,
i am pretty capable of playing the game as a silver without paying them a dime!
I would really like to PAY for something worthwhile (not a fleet B'rel, which i WANT, hidden behind millions of Dill and milliards of EC), so here are some tips:
Still waiting for that playable Romulan Faction and KDF uniforms and Hair options!!!
im giving my fleet some 10 - 20k dill a day, gotta stop it cause my EC reserves are going thin
every time i get some Zen, i wanna keep it till it has more value, but then, i do need all these DOFF slots, and 2 more toons perhaps, once again MORE DOFF slots..
i would buy the account bank slots, but 1000Zen is just too much..
apart from that, there is NOTHING in the Zen store that would wake my interest.
Still waiting for that playable Romulan Faction and KDF uniforms and Hair options!!!
and thats the crux of the matter - people are running out of things to buy with Zen.
Folks like me that own every ship, tons of toon slots, everything that was ever put on the CStore, have no longer any reason to earn Zen. I mean, unless Cryptic puts out tons of items in the CStore for people to buy, Zen will stagnate - Its only saving grace are the silver account players.
To put it simply - Dilithium has greater value than Zen at this moment.
Whats keeping Zen alive are the Lockboxes and the Keys - maybe a few doff packs.
and thats the crux of the matter - people are running out of things to buy with Zen.
Folks like me that own every ship, tons of toon slots, everything that was ever put on the CStore, have no longer any reason to earn Zen. I mean, unless Cryptic puts out tons of items in the CStore for people to buy, Zen will stagnate - Its only saving grace are the silver account players.
To put it simply - Dilithium has greater value than Zen at this moment.
Whats keeping Zen alive are the Lockboxes and the Keys - maybe a few doff packs.
yeah, that exactly is my point.
but i am afraid it is not gonna come. You know, it's WORK, to redesign the Vedek uniforms to KDF style, to create some NEW uniforms, perhaps cross-faction off-duty clothing.
They are now totally focused on the f2p market & getting new customers, for which i think the amount of stuff in the Zen store may seem overwhelming.
and thats the crux of the matter - people are running out of things to buy with Zen.
Folks like me that own every ship, tons of toon slots, everything that was ever put on the CStore, have no longer any reason to earn Zen. I mean, unless Cryptic puts out tons of items in the CStore for people to buy, Zen will stagnate - Its only saving grace are the silver account players.
To put it simply - Dilithium has greater value than Zen at this moment.
Whats keeping Zen alive are the Lockboxes and the Keys - maybe a few doff packs.
The humerous bit is if they had put the new Breen ship in a lockbox, Zen value would go up and we wouldn't have 50 pages of people using low zen value as a talking point and "proof" the game has become a terrible grind with massive sinks and inadequate faucets.
The humerous bit is if they had put the new Breen ship in a lockbox, Zen value would go up and we wouldn't have 50 pages of people using low zen value as a talking point and "proof" the game has become a terrible grind with massive sinks and inadequate faucets.
If the game would have become a terrible grind people would stop play it.When people stop playing they also stop paying which would make the rate change due to less zen on the market ,so who says "people stopped playing" is ,no offence :rolleyes:, pretty stupid to talk about this subject.
How about this then, the Dilithium exhange only sold unrefined ore. That would kill the cartels at a stroke and Dil would go up to about 400:1. You could then either grind your 8K or buy it at a reasonable rate with real cash via zen.
Just floating an idea, let me know your thoughts.
That would be pretty interesting to see.
Speaking for myself getting dil isn't the issue, I would gladly sell more of it -- the only problem is, I'm constantly at my refining cap and use everything I can refine. As a result, I'm sitting at over 60k unrefined dil and I doubt I'm the only one in this (or a similar) situation.
In other words, both demand and supply went up except that supply is being bottlenecked by the cap and can't actually go up to match the demand. Demand will, however, go down somewhat once more people acquire the reputation gear sets that currently produce the highest demand (at least presumably) -- once people are past Tier 3 reps, the heavy time-gating kicks in. Then again once people start hitting Tier 5 en masse, it might shoot back up again.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see other avenues for easy dilithium being removed from the game (i.e. the Path to 2409 is next).
I'd doubt that a lot. I think Cryptic have learned a lot from Season 7's launch, painfully.
I think they now recognise that the market for buying Zen with real money suffers when supply of Dilithium is too low, which is why they re-introduced a lot of new reliable sources of it (you now earn more Dilithium from STFs on average than in Season 6, and more reliably).
I think the next thing we'll see is a small increase in the refine cap (to 9000 perhaps) and a reduction in the Foundry Daily to only need 1 mission to complete...
I think the next thing we'll see is a small increase in the refine cap (to 9000 perhaps) and a reduction in the Foundry Daily to only need 1 mission to complete...
if that would come with 50 Fleet Marks for the Officer on the watch daily and perhaps 50 for the same mission on the Embassy, I WOULD LEARN TO SING
How about this then, the Dilithium exhange only sold unrefined ore. That would kill the cartels at a stroke and Dil would go up to about 400:1. You could then either grind your 8K or buy it at a reasonable rate with real cash via zen.
Just floating an idea, let me know your thoughts.
Lol! Then no one would bother to farm Dil to sell.
and thats the crux of the matter - people are running out of things to buy with Zen.
.........
Whats keeping Zen alive are the Lockboxes and the Keys - maybe a few doff packs.
The store with new stuff still exists, its now the Lobi store. Conveniently the only way to get Lobi is with Keys. Keys have become the "micro" transaction. Again, its just convenience that items in the Lobi store seem to cost HUNDREDS of Lobi. Heck, even the the Breen ship is monetized thru Lobi!
Well it was not too long ago that I created this thread and already at almost 500 comments and 20k views it appears that this is really a hot topic for everyone.
Biggest problems so far:
Not enough things to buy with Zen
People hoarding or not buying dilthium to contribute to starbases.
Cryptic needs to do 2 things - lower the dilthium sinks and increase good stuff in the Zen store.
Well it was not too long ago that I created this thread and already at almost 500 comments and 20k views it appears that this is really a hot topic for everyone.
Biggest problems so far:
Not enough things to buy with Zen
People hoarding or not buying dilthium to contribute to starbases.
Cryptic needs to do 2 things - lower the dilthium sinks and increase good stuff in the Zen store.
Or people with zen need to hoard it until the market goes up again. We'll probably see a slight spike January 10-15th as people who have missed too many races buy keys to get the lobi for the breen ship. Possibly another bump if the andorian ship gets released.
Ignorance is an obstacle not an excuse
Let the stupid suffer
Well it was not too long ago that I created this thread and already at almost 500 comments and 20k views it appears that this is really a hot topic for everyone.
Biggest problems so far:
Not enough things to buy with Zen
People hoarding or not buying dilthium to contribute to starbases.
Cryptic needs to do 2 things - lower the dilthium sinks and increase good stuff in the Zen store.
why would they? everything is running smoothly.. people are buying Zen EVEN in this situation..
you probably don't remember, the first time Dill/Zen conversion was introduced, it soon was 97Dill/CP
and it stayed a while. this is not something unseen..
Well it might also be that people are holding onto it because there are more sinks for it. The new reputation system and fleet starbases that have progressed are sucking it all up.
Cryptic needs to do 2 things - lower the dilthium sinks and increase good stuff in the Zen store.
I disagree they "need" to do anything. Its simply better for them if people feel just forced enough to get more Zen to convert to get Keys for Lobi/Lockboxes than to go back to having to put stuff for a much lower effective price in the C-store. The Lobi and Lockbox system has succeeded in making us pay several times the price of an item... that isn't even account wide!
Why would they ever return to giving us more value for our money?? All that does for them is making them spend more resources for less income. This is the real face of F2P, get used to paying a TON of cash or to grind for everything like crazy. I assume now everyone gets why F2P games rely on player churn and why players happily go from f2p game to f2p game?
I disagree they "need" to do anything. Its simply better for them if people feel just forced enough to get more Zen to convert to get Keys for Lobi/Lockboxes than to go back to having to put stuff for a much lower effective price in the C-store. The Lobi and Lockbox system has succeeded in making us pay several times the price of an item... that isn't even account wide!
Why would they ever return to giving us more value for our money?? All that does for them is making them spend more resources for less income. This is the real face of F2P, get used to paying a TON of cash or to grind for everything like crazy. I assume now everyone gets why F2P games rely on player churn and why players happily go from f2p game to f2p game?
...this...This...THIS, and why PWE doesn't get a nickle is my money for keys. My monthly sub is enough i/m/h/o, unless I see something that really grabs me in the store. If you REALLY want to see a screwed up F2P model look at (insert name of game with lightsabers and such here)...you get to "dash" if you sub...SHEESH!
Or people with zen need to hoard it until the market goes up again. We'll probably see a slight spike January 10-15th as people who have missed too many races buy keys to get the lobi for the breen ship. Possibly another bump if the andorian ship gets released.
Also as fleets hit tier 5 and people start to pickup the modules for their new fleet ships.
Though it would be a win-win if they added a few of the temp-power goodies from Champions. Like "teleport all allies directly to me from whatever map they are currently on 10 charges" or the grow and shrink devices. Or some of the "become" devices (work just like a lobi hologram but you also get all the powers of the NPC you turn into at your own level). Or the self-rez that works in battle. I know a lot of people would enjoy them and Cryptic could make a bit more money.
I suspect that they don't because no one buys the exp/mark temp powers so they assume no demand.
i posted previously about the exchange (still no results) the reason i am wanting zen is because i have about 40 lock boxes and would like to open them. i have a fairly descent amount of dilithium but the exchange isnt working for me either that or i apparently dont know how to operate it (yea im a noob at sto)
Amazing how this season seven, the same season that removed almost all the DIL from the game, could have flooded the market so much to drop it below 100:1.
Must be Mirror Universe Economics.
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Amazing how this season seven, the same season that removed almost all the DIL from the game, could have flooded the market so much to drop it below 100:1.
Must be Mirror Universe Economics.
You have it backwards, its quite logical. dilithium is in high demand while zen isnt. Therefore you get more zen per dilithium. If zen were in higher demand than dilithium the market would be more like 200 dilithium per zen instead of the current 100 per zen
Ignorance is an obstacle not an excuse
Let the stupid suffer
Amazing how this season seven, the same season that removed almost all the DIL from the game, could have flooded the market so much to drop it below 100:1.
SSSSHHHHH. Don't tell him! That way when(or if...very very if...) dilithium starts getting flooded into the market, he'll think it's a good deal when I give him 25 Dil per Zen. :cool:
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No way! It's a conspiracy! A conspiracy to make players play the game. Black helicopters. The UN! The illuminati! Mulder! Scully!
and we need to kill speculation like this DEAD
maybe automatically trade any Dilith on the exchange at 150 per and close the exchange
then leave it closed for say a week to clear out the farmers and speculators
Season 7 has hit the playerbase pretty hard in their Dilitium wallets, thats because of the severe changes towards Dilitium earnings - this may change come season 8 - and who knows, the Devs may decide to have players earn more dilithium via different means.
As players get use to the new changes, there will be means to exploit or find short cuts to gain dilithium. It is only a matter of time.
So those who sit upon mountains and mountains of Dilithium ore - I urge you to jump on that Zen Gravy train.
UNLESS: You realize that Zen is pretty much worthless if you bought everything - then I recommend horde, horde, horde as much as you can.
Afterall - There isn't much to buy with Zen - unless you're a pathetic fool like me and want to spend zen on more toon slots. :P
And then there will be even less of a reason to play STO.
As it is Season 7 has drastically reduced my gaming time in STO and has certainly reduced my enjoyment of the game.
One of the main contributors to the drop in this exchange was the loss of "clickies" and other Foundry changes. Easy Dilithium evaporated - and this is exactly what PWE wanted. S6 introduced a "need" for vast amounts of Dilithium (Starbase projects) and people paid real money for zen just to convert to Dilithium (instead of grinding it).
So, what should PWE do to increase their profits? S7: Cause the exchange rate to crash by removing the easy dilithium. Claiming that it was a "cheat" - and then not just remove the clickies but any foundry project that takes less than 20 minutes each (thus a minimum of an hour per play).
I wouldn't be surprised if we see other avenues for easy dilithium being removed from the game (i.e. the Path to 2409 is next).
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The clickies I understand, but I have a strange feeling that Cryptic may change the length of time of each foundry mission - To be honest 20 minutes is a bit too excessive and unrealistic.
I look at it this way - I enjoy the foundry missions and would want to play them on my own time and at my own pace.
On the otherhand I want to fulfill the requirements on a daily basis to earn the Dilithium.
Cryptic needs to find a balance between the two. That is they need to understand that people simply want to farm the dailies, with the option to casually play the foundry at their own pace.
They either need to up the ante in the Dilithium earnings if the 20minute policy is a must, or drastically reduce the time pre-requiste for the daily.
I still say 10minutes is a good number - No clickies involved and it fulfills the needs of farming the Dilithium. That also gives the player the option to play the foundry at their own pace and not force the issue on the playerbase.
As of right now the Foundry is broken and needs to be shut down and patched up.
im giving my fleet some 10 - 20k dill a day, gotta stop it cause my EC reserves are going thin
every time i get some Zen, i wanna keep it till it has more value, but then, i do need all these DOFF slots, and 2 more toons perhaps, once again MORE DOFF slots..
i would buy the account bank slots, but 1000Zen is just too much..
apart from that, there is NOTHING in the Zen store that would wake my interest.
So - nothing is telling me to GIVE THEM CASH.. !!! With being a 930 days veteran, the old way, now silver,
i am pretty capable of playing the game as a silver without paying them a dime!
I would really like to PAY for something worthwhile (not a fleet B'rel, which i WANT, hidden behind millions of Dill and milliards of EC), so here are some tips:
Still waiting for that playable Romulan Faction and KDF uniforms and Hair options!!!
and thats the crux of the matter - people are running out of things to buy with Zen.
Folks like me that own every ship, tons of toon slots, everything that was ever put on the CStore, have no longer any reason to earn Zen. I mean, unless Cryptic puts out tons of items in the CStore for people to buy, Zen will stagnate - Its only saving grace are the silver account players.
To put it simply - Dilithium has greater value than Zen at this moment.
Whats keeping Zen alive are the Lockboxes and the Keys - maybe a few doff packs.
yeah, that exactly is my point.
but i am afraid it is not gonna come. You know, it's WORK, to redesign the Vedek uniforms to KDF style, to create some NEW uniforms, perhaps cross-faction off-duty clothing.
They are now totally focused on the f2p market & getting new customers, for which i think the amount of stuff in the Zen store may seem overwhelming.
The humerous bit is if they had put the new Breen ship in a lockbox, Zen value would go up and we wouldn't have 50 pages of people using low zen value as a talking point and "proof" the game has become a terrible grind with massive sinks and inadequate faucets.
If the game would have become a terrible grind people would stop play it.When people stop playing they also stop paying which would make the rate change due to less zen on the market ,so who says "people stopped playing" is ,no offence :rolleyes:, pretty stupid to talk about this subject.
That would be pretty interesting to see.
Speaking for myself getting dil isn't the issue, I would gladly sell more of it -- the only problem is, I'm constantly at my refining cap and use everything I can refine. As a result, I'm sitting at over 60k unrefined dil and I doubt I'm the only one in this (or a similar) situation.
In other words, both demand and supply went up except that supply is being bottlenecked by the cap and can't actually go up to match the demand. Demand will, however, go down somewhat once more people acquire the reputation gear sets that currently produce the highest demand (at least presumably) -- once people are past Tier 3 reps, the heavy time-gating kicks in. Then again once people start hitting Tier 5 en masse, it might shoot back up again.
I think they now recognise that the market for buying Zen with real money suffers when supply of Dilithium is too low, which is why they re-introduced a lot of new reliable sources of it (you now earn more Dilithium from STFs on average than in Season 6, and more reliably).
I think the next thing we'll see is a small increase in the refine cap (to 9000 perhaps) and a reduction in the Foundry Daily to only need 1 mission to complete...
if that would come with 50 Fleet Marks for the Officer on the watch daily and perhaps 50 for the same mission on the Embassy, I WOULD LEARN TO SING
Lol! Then no one would bother to farm Dil to sell.
The store with new stuff still exists, its now the Lobi store. Conveniently the only way to get Lobi is with Keys. Keys have become the "micro" transaction. Again, its just convenience that items in the Lobi store seem to cost HUNDREDS of Lobi. Heck, even the the Breen ship is monetized thru Lobi!
Biggest problems so far:
Not enough things to buy with Zen
People hoarding or not buying dilthium to contribute to starbases.
Cryptic needs to do 2 things - lower the dilthium sinks and increase good stuff in the Zen store.
Or people with zen need to hoard it until the market goes up again. We'll probably see a slight spike January 10-15th as people who have missed too many races buy keys to get the lobi for the breen ship. Possibly another bump if the andorian ship gets released.
Let the stupid suffer
why would they? everything is running smoothly.. people are buying Zen EVEN in this situation..
you probably don't remember, the first time Dill/Zen conversion was introduced, it soon was 97Dill/CP
and it stayed a while. this is not something unseen..
I know I am!
I disagree they "need" to do anything. Its simply better for them if people feel just forced enough to get more Zen to convert to get Keys for Lobi/Lockboxes than to go back to having to put stuff for a much lower effective price in the C-store. The Lobi and Lockbox system has succeeded in making us pay several times the price of an item... that isn't even account wide!
Why would they ever return to giving us more value for our money?? All that does for them is making them spend more resources for less income. This is the real face of F2P, get used to paying a TON of cash or to grind for everything like crazy. I assume now everyone gets why F2P games rely on player churn and why players happily go from f2p game to f2p game?
...this...This...THIS, and why PWE doesn't get a nickle is my money for keys. My monthly sub is enough i/m/h/o, unless I see something that really grabs me in the store. If you REALLY want to see a screwed up F2P model look at (insert name of game with lightsabers and such here)...you get to "dash" if you sub...SHEESH!
Also as fleets hit tier 5 and people start to pickup the modules for their new fleet ships.
Though it would be a win-win if they added a few of the temp-power goodies from Champions. Like "teleport all allies directly to me from whatever map they are currently on 10 charges" or the grow and shrink devices. Or some of the "become" devices (work just like a lobi hologram but you also get all the powers of the NPC you turn into at your own level). Or the self-rez that works in battle. I know a lot of people would enjoy them and Cryptic could make a bit more money.
I suspect that they don't because no one buys the exp/mark temp powers so they assume no demand.
Must be Mirror Universe Economics.
500 years in the future and we still look like schmucks when getting our ID photos taken...
You have it backwards, its quite logical. dilithium is in high demand while zen isnt. Therefore you get more zen per dilithium. If zen were in higher demand than dilithium the market would be more like 200 dilithium per zen instead of the current 100 per zen
Let the stupid suffer
This person is clearly bad at math...
SSSSHHHHH. Don't tell him! That way when(or if...very very if...) dilithium starts getting flooded into the market, he'll think it's a good deal when I give him 25 Dil per Zen. :cool: