so will the full borg set also include some specific buff where certain weapons are concerned? like enhancing disruptor or plasma weapons, for example? that would be cool
I'd rather have that then some useless green tractor beam ahha
I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
1%?! they might as well say, here's a lottery ticket, but you can't have the money.
it should be much higher than that. 8% at the least.
You're not good at maths are you?
It's going to happen every 2 minutes or so and it lasts 21s. 21s is a huge amount of time in the game, it can make a difference. Acutally it will proc fairly often and will give you a huge buff, considering the fact that no other proc I know lasts such an amount of time.
It's going to happen every 2 minutes or so and it lasts 21s. 21s is a huge amount of time in the game, it can make a difference. Acutally it will proc fairly often and will give you a huge buff, considering the fact that no other proc I know lasts such an amount of time.
If you already run 125 power in weapons, do you still get the benefit? Cant remember if we did or not...
If you already run 125 power in weapons, do you still get the benefit? Cant remember if we did or not...
Yes, especially if you have 6 to 8 weapons to fire. The first one will fire at 125 but the next one could fire at 120, then 110, etc. You can't have enough power to your weapons.
ANY bait and switch practices are considered FRAUD.
If you achieve something in game that item should remain untouchable by the devs for the life of the game.
Of course that would be considered FAIR business practices, something I've yet to see this company demonstrate.
Its not really fraud...not to mention MMO's change stuff all the time.
I'm worried the old set is just gonna be replaced by the new set...that 3 part bonus could be very powerful depending on how much of a damage reduction it gives.
Imagine getting CRFed by a Escort...that defense is pretty much gonna be running till CRF runs out. Honestly...I'm worried that everyone will just run around with the new borg 3 piece set...2 piece of old borg...and a khg or maco shield.
Basically could be going from the frying pan into the fire.
Well i dont understand why they switched the borg set up and not say anything but it seems the practice. Well it wont be a big deal for me i use 4x MK XII neutrouninm purples for tanking
and only the borg console and the tachyokanetic for crits on my Jemmy bug with a full MACO XII set. Have no problems with PvP or PvE. But i am interested in what all 6 set of borg will look like.
Currently the 3-piece Borg set (Deflector/Engines/Console) gives two powerful healing procs (hull + shields).
When season 7 hits, the Borg Console becomes part of another set - it keeps its properties but in order to get the shield proc (and the tractor beam) you'll need to run Deflector/Engines/Shield.
The capabilities of the Console set (which includes a Borg 'Cutting Beam') are currently unknown.
As to what you should run - whatever works for you. I run full MACO Mk XII on my Excelsior and haven't used the Borg stuff in a long time.
Yes, especially if you have 6 to 8 weapons to fire. The first one will fire at 125 but the next one could fire at 120, then 110, etc. You can't have enough power to your weapons.
Ok cool, I thought that there was a hard cap @125, but since learned it was removed.
I run a tac oddy(the ORCA)with my engineer, Brody. I've been running 2 piece borg, the console and engines, and 2 piece maco mark12 deflector and shield. The other nite I scored the maco mk12 engine. I ran elite STF's(all of them) just fine.
I pvp a lot too. I have some amazing tac/escort players in my fleet. I can tell you the little hit to self healing for escorts is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of points of healing they receive from designated healers. A second or two of prolonging life is important, but this move by cryptic will make better healers shine even more in pvp.
This future change (not yet definitive - it's still being worked on) doesn't really make me happy.
I rarely used the Borg 3-part set (the shield heal never impressed me, was almost allways negligeable in my parses). That allowed me to choose any 2-part set I wanted to use along the (needed - in my eyes, since largest heal excluding SDO doffs) 2-part Borg set.
After that change, I will only be able to get 1 set bonus (because any full existing set would be very underwhelming to me). And that bonus will have to be "Autonomous regeneration sequencer", given its necessity. So my only options now are to choose the shield to go with the Borg deflector and engine. Not a whole lot of variety.
Note: I'm talking from an STF playing PVEer standpoint.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
doesn't bother me a bit, rather like the change. the cookie cutter builds and build advice will get a change up. never bothered to use 3pc, rarely even 2pc (+5aux and some other stats from the borg deflector are nice to have). instead built around systems and boff skills that would give survivability. required more thought than just 'maco/khg shields 3pc borg is ta uberness' but as it stands now or will...was worth it.
mayhap i'll see a few people who relied on it so heavily and didn't bother with any defensive skills at all actually blow up less once they adjust.
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I agree with the changes, excellent idea, I have no problem suriving elites with 3pc MACO/Omega/Honor Guard. Hopefully others will soon learn that they can too. Its not the end of the world.
This future change (not yet definitive - it's still being worked on) doesn't really make me happy.
I rarely used the Borg 3-part set (the shield heal never impressed me, was almost allways negligeable in my parses). That allowed me to choose any 2-part set I wanted to use along the (needed - in my eyes, since largest heal excluding SDO doffs) 2-part Borg set.
After that change, I will only be able to get 1 set bonus (because any full existing set would be very underwhelming to me). And that bonus will have to be "Autonomous regeneration sequencer", given its necessity. So my only options now are to choose the shield to go with the Borg deflector and engine. Not a whole lot of variety.
Note: I'm talking from an STF playing PVEer standpoint.
This is exactly the reason they're changing it.
They were meant to be run as a 4-piece set. Instead, players chose to do a 2+2, using the Console to free up the Shield slot most of the time and getting the 2-piece bonus of another set.
The change is to put back the original intent of having to run the Shields, Engines, and Deflector all at the same time if you want all the set bonuses. The Tractor Beam was included as a 3-set additional bonus so as to not take that away should someone already be running the 3-piece set with the console.
As a fellow PvE'er, I don't like it either. But then again, that's why I stick with PvE. For me, this is a minor inconvenience. My play style relies on shields, so I just switch out Deflector or Engine to keep the 2-piece Borg bonus. If I were a PvP'er, I'd have to rethink my whole build before Season 7 hits.
As did I, numerous times AND I use it in my builds. I still think this change while good, doesn't go far enough.
Face it, the set is extremely overpowered and was a mistake from day one.
This pretty much.
Nothing wrong with full Maco or KHG other than they need to boost sector speed on both the KHG and Omega engines.
Some of us are still going to be tanky escorts because we know what we're doing and have our ships set up right, but I do have to agree. The Borg set has been ridiculous and this change needed to happen so that people actually start using other gear.
Might want to check out some of the fleet deflectors. Set bonuses aside, they're some of if not the best deflectors in the game. Try the positron with targetting on it. Much more tanky than the Omega deflector.
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds.
There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.
I have decided that I will just mount the Borg shield and remove the console.
I have a Time ship and don't need these new weapons and I have many consoles I can replace the Borg one with.
I would post testing results, but server authentication is currently planned for Season 7......
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds'
There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.
I've underlined the mistake here.
Virtually no one uses a full MACO/KHG set, who in their right mind passes up the benefits of the Borg set.
Even after the Borg Set Bonuses were toned down several months ago, nothing really changed. The vast majority of players continued to run Borg 2- or 3-piece, plus a shield of their choosing, benefiting from a design oversight to a degree that left combat in an imbalanced state.
I have used the Borg set pretty much since it was first introduced and earned it the hard way (far harder then the current method). Even though I'm still using it now, I'm more then well aware how overpowered it is and how much is needs to be nerfed. Even after this nerf, I'll still be using a 2-piece borg set.
Nothing like watching as some poor highly skilled escort captain tries his damned hardest to kill you, only to be stopped as the Borg set returns your hull and shields back to full health. No skill required whatsoever.
They were meant to be run as a 4-piece set. Instead, players chose to do a 2+2, using the Console to free up the Shield slot most of the time and getting the 2-piece bonus of another set.
The change is to put back the original intent of having to run the Shields, Engines, and Deflector all at the same time if you want all the set bonuses. The Tractor Beam was included as a 3-set additional bonus so as to not take that away should someone already be running the 3-piece set with the console.
As a fellow PvE'er, I don't like it either. But then again, that's why I stick with PvE. For me, this is a minor inconvenience. My play style relies on shields, so I just switch out Deflector or Engine to keep the 2-piece Borg bonus. If I were a PvP'er, I'd have to rethink my whole build before Season 7 hits.
Of course, it's not a tragedy, but as you say, an "inconvenience" it is. Just got to a point of thinking my half-dozen builds were fine as they were and that I could move to new ships. Sadly, I'll have to go back and re-evaluate all of the current builds.
And damn, time is so hard to come by. That's why I'm sad. If they rather nerfed SDO doffs, I wouldn't mind (even though I use them on about half of those builds).
(Also, if they actually get to boosting the 3-set bonuses, it will just throw in a couple more potentially useful combinations. Great for the game, sure, but again, "inconvenient" for me.)
EDIT: Sorry for the egoist rant, I just need some sleep...
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The only way these changes are going to be good is if they made it more possible to get the omega / maco stuff.
Example:
I've been trying to get the prototype deflector and I've yet to get one. I quit trying after 3 weeks of doing KA Elite 5 times / day to get it. They need to make it where you can turn in say 5 or 10 Rare Engines, Deflectors, and shields and get the prototype version of it so you can actually get a full set.
Otherwise, imo, escorts are supposed to be big tanks. They're not supposed to be glass cannons and these changes do make a huge difference to a single class. The Borg set as it is right now, is worth the 15 ec's to upgrade if you don't feel like redoing all the quests and things to get a lvl 50 set that way.
But.. has anyone looked at the other set pieces @ lvl 50? Have they changed -all- the sets or just the borg set? Also, have they introduced a Fleet Set yet? Questions to be found out.
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds.
There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.
I have decided that I will just mount the Borg shield and remove the console.
I have a Time ship and don't need these new weapons and I have many consoles I can replace the Borg one with.
I would post testing results, but server authentication is currently planned for Season 7......
Think you need to calm down a bit, you act like the game is going to be destroyed by this. Its not like they are removing the set from the game or the procs, if you depend so much on the borg set then you can still use it.
At least this way you can choose to use other sets. Maybe now the other sets will see some love or we will see new sets down the pipeline. Besides if you ask me like I said earlier in this thread...I think the new set with the old set might be even more OP and easy mode since I'm guessing you can't live without that.
I thought I posted quite calmly what I was going to personally do:
Not be drawn in to their next grind fest due to the new weapons bait.
So with me, and I'm sure others, this move is a fail as not only does it make me dislike their company more (always surprises me that that's possible) It also fails to elicit the response (further game involvement) that it is designed for. (other than their usual overreacting due to forum spammers.)
Like I said before, wouldn't be the first time this has happened in the MMO world and probably won't be the last. Its not the end of the world and I think it would be nice to have the option of using something else besides the Borg set.
What would really be nice is the reasonable expectation that everything earned would remain as it is when received rather than having everything nerfed over and over again.
Why bother to "work" for something when they keep changing the rules?
What would really be nice is the reasonable expectation that everything earned would remain as it is when received rather than having everything nerfed over and over again.
Why bother to "work" for something when they keep changing the rules?
Because people make mistakes... I think the Dev sort of explained why they did it. The design of the borg set was based on people running a shield that didn't have a massive cap. I will say they should have seen that people would use half a brain and skirt the design intention I will give you that....
Frankly though if you play a MMO and you see some fantastic gear that seems to good to be true... you can safely assume someone screwed up and someone will correct it down the road. (and lets all be honest with ourselves... a free copy of Hazard Emitters 6 and Transfer Shield Strength 2.5 falls into that category, and heck thats after it's numbers where reduced once already. lol)
I do have to say though I find it funny when people say they "Worked" for there set. LMAO
Yes 2 complete rounds of STFs = Complete Borg Retro set... man what a grind. haha
You didn't do much work to earn the set, 10 EDC and doing 15 minute mission is nothing.
Next the set wasn't working as intended due to dev oversight, Bort has stated that being able to use 3pc set bonus with other shields was never their intention and their earlier fix by reducing set bonuses hasn't done enough to fix this problem.
Don't worry since you will be on even playing field with everyone else since this is a set everybody has. Its not like some ultra-rare item that takes weeks or months to grind out that only you and a few others have is being taken away.
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I'd rather have that then some useless green tractor beam ahha
You're not good at maths are you?
It's going to happen every 2 minutes or so and it lasts 21s. 21s is a huge amount of time in the game, it can make a difference. Acutally it will proc fairly often and will give you a huge buff, considering the fact that no other proc I know lasts such an amount of time.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Also got the option of Omega delflector/shield with Maco engine for more dps if needed.
I used to run 2 piece Maco and the borg engine + console, but switched to the borg for the extra heals.
Made a few million ec putting all my alts borg gear through the replicator and I gained a console slot on all my ships, so thats at least something
If I ever do Elite stfs again, it will be up to cruisers and sci ships to keep me alive like the devs want.
Maybe this is just the shakeup the game needs, but whatever happens, it will be interesting
If you already run 125 power in weapons, do you still get the benefit? Cant remember if we did or not...
As did I, numerous times AND I use it in my builds. I still think this change while good, doesn't go far enough.
Face it, the set is extremely overpowered and was a mistake from day one.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Yes, especially if you have 6 to 8 weapons to fire. The first one will fire at 125 but the next one could fire at 120, then 110, etc. You can't have enough power to your weapons.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Its not really fraud...not to mention MMO's change stuff all the time.
I'm worried the old set is just gonna be replaced by the new set...that 3 part bonus could be very powerful depending on how much of a damage reduction it gives.
Imagine getting CRFed by a Escort...that defense is pretty much gonna be running till CRF runs out. Honestly...I'm worried that everyone will just run around with the new borg 3 piece set...2 piece of old borg...and a khg or maco shield.
Basically could be going from the frying pan into the fire.
and only the borg console and the tachyokanetic for crits on my Jemmy bug with a full MACO XII set. Have no problems with PvP or PvE. But i am interested in what all 6 set of borg will look like.
i currently run with the 3 piece borg set and macoII shields on most of my ships. is this still a valid or good set up?
what set would you now advise someone to use?
is the borg console worth keeping? is the 3 piece borg set without the console any good?
thanks in advance.
Currently the 3-piece Borg set (Deflector/Engines/Console) gives two powerful healing procs (hull + shields).
When season 7 hits, the Borg Console becomes part of another set - it keeps its properties but in order to get the shield proc (and the tractor beam) you'll need to run Deflector/Engines/Shield.
The capabilities of the Console set (which includes a Borg 'Cutting Beam') are currently unknown.
As to what you should run - whatever works for you. I run full MACO Mk XII on my Excelsior and haven't used the Borg stuff in a long time.
Ok cool, I thought that there was a hard cap @125, but since learned it was removed.
I pvp a lot too. I have some amazing tac/escort players in my fleet. I can tell you the little hit to self healing for escorts is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of points of healing they receive from designated healers. A second or two of prolonging life is important, but this move by cryptic will make better healers shine even more in pvp.
I rarely used the Borg 3-part set (the shield heal never impressed me, was almost allways negligeable in my parses). That allowed me to choose any 2-part set I wanted to use along the (needed - in my eyes, since largest heal excluding SDO doffs) 2-part Borg set.
After that change, I will only be able to get 1 set bonus (because any full existing set would be very underwhelming to me). And that bonus will have to be "Autonomous regeneration sequencer", given its necessity. So my only options now are to choose the shield to go with the Borg deflector and engine. Not a whole lot of variety.
Note: I'm talking from an STF playing PVEer standpoint.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
mayhap i'll see a few people who relied on it so heavily and didn't bother with any defensive skills at all actually blow up less once they adjust.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
This is exactly the reason they're changing it.
They were meant to be run as a 4-piece set. Instead, players chose to do a 2+2, using the Console to free up the Shield slot most of the time and getting the 2-piece bonus of another set.
The change is to put back the original intent of having to run the Shields, Engines, and Deflector all at the same time if you want all the set bonuses. The Tractor Beam was included as a 3-set additional bonus so as to not take that away should someone already be running the 3-piece set with the console.
As a fellow PvE'er, I don't like it either. But then again, that's why I stick with PvE. For me, this is a minor inconvenience. My play style relies on shields, so I just switch out Deflector or Engine to keep the 2-piece Borg bonus. If I were a PvP'er, I'd have to rethink my whole build before Season 7 hits.
This pretty much.
Nothing wrong with full Maco or KHG other than they need to boost sector speed on both the KHG and Omega engines.
Some of us are still going to be tanky escorts because we know what we're doing and have our ships set up right, but I do have to agree. The Borg set has been ridiculous and this change needed to happen so that people actually start using other gear.
Might want to check out some of the fleet deflectors. Set bonuses aside, they're some of if not the best deflectors in the game. Try the positron with targetting on it. Much more tanky than the Omega deflector.
There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.
I have decided that I will just mount the Borg shield and remove the console.
I have a Time ship and don't need these new weapons and I have many consoles I can replace the Borg one with.
I would post testing results, but server authentication is currently planned for Season 7......
I've underlined the mistake here.
Virtually no one uses a full MACO/KHG set, who in their right mind passes up the benefits of the Borg set.
I have used the Borg set pretty much since it was first introduced and earned it the hard way (far harder then the current method). Even though I'm still using it now, I'm more then well aware how overpowered it is and how much is needs to be nerfed. Even after this nerf, I'll still be using a 2-piece borg set.
Nothing like watching as some poor highly skilled escort captain tries his damned hardest to kill you, only to be stopped as the Borg set returns your hull and shields back to full health. No skill required whatsoever.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Of course, it's not a tragedy, but as you say, an "inconvenience" it is. Just got to a point of thinking my half-dozen builds were fine as they were and that I could move to new ships. Sadly, I'll have to go back and re-evaluate all of the current builds.
And damn, time is so hard to come by. That's why I'm sad. If they rather nerfed SDO doffs, I wouldn't mind (even though I use them on about half of those builds).
(Also, if they actually get to boosting the 3-set bonuses, it will just throw in a couple more potentially useful combinations. Great for the game, sure, but again, "inconvenient" for me.)
EDIT: Sorry for the egoist rant, I just need some sleep...
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Example:
I've been trying to get the prototype deflector and I've yet to get one. I quit trying after 3 weeks of doing KA Elite 5 times / day to get it. They need to make it where you can turn in say 5 or 10 Rare Engines, Deflectors, and shields and get the prototype version of it so you can actually get a full set.
Otherwise, imo, escorts are supposed to be big tanks. They're not supposed to be glass cannons and these changes do make a huge difference to a single class. The Borg set as it is right now, is worth the 15 ec's to upgrade if you don't feel like redoing all the quests and things to get a lvl 50 set that way.
But.. has anyone looked at the other set pieces @ lvl 50? Have they changed -all- the sets or just the borg set? Also, have they introduced a Fleet Set yet? Questions to be found out.
Think you need to calm down a bit, you act like the game is going to be destroyed by this. Its not like they are removing the set from the game or the procs, if you depend so much on the borg set then you can still use it.
At least this way you can choose to use other sets. Maybe now the other sets will see some love or we will see new sets down the pipeline. Besides if you ask me like I said earlier in this thread...I think the new set with the old set might be even more OP and easy mode since I'm guessing you can't live without that.
Not be drawn in to their next grind fest due to the new weapons bait.
So with me, and I'm sure others, this move is a fail as not only does it make me dislike their company more (always surprises me that that's possible) It also fails to elicit the response (further game involvement) that it is designed for. (other than their usual overreacting due to forum spammers.)
Other than the fact that some, or all, of their set bonuses are pointless.
Why bother to "work" for something when they keep changing the rules?
Because people make mistakes... I think the Dev sort of explained why they did it. The design of the borg set was based on people running a shield that didn't have a massive cap. I will say they should have seen that people would use half a brain and skirt the design intention I will give you that....
Frankly though if you play a MMO and you see some fantastic gear that seems to good to be true... you can safely assume someone screwed up and someone will correct it down the road. (and lets all be honest with ourselves... a free copy of Hazard Emitters 6 and Transfer Shield Strength 2.5 falls into that category, and heck thats after it's numbers where reduced once already. lol)
I do have to say though I find it funny when people say they "Worked" for there set. LMAO
Yes 2 complete rounds of STFs = Complete Borg Retro set... man what a grind. haha
Next the set wasn't working as intended due to dev oversight, Bort has stated that being able to use 3pc set bonus with other shields was never their intention and their earlier fix by reducing set bonuses hasn't done enough to fix this problem.
Don't worry since you will be on even playing field with everyone else since this is a set everybody has. Its not like some ultra-rare item that takes weeks or months to grind out that only you and a few others have is being taken away.