I don't believe there's been one...I made a post in one of the threads that was merged in, but removed it when i saw another mod working on the same thread. I thought I'd Ninja'd my post out before anyone saw it
That is unless I missed something else.
I'm issuing a few warnings over the last few pages, please try and avoid discussing fleet names and player names guys. It's against the rules. Discussion on the power changes is of course welcome.
EDIT: Issued One Warning, my bad it wasn't plural, but please be careful guys.
No, i was just saying that the more recent changes have been due to pvp "balance"
Cryptic has already stated that they don't have the resources to focus on PvP. They could basically axe PvP and it wouldn't make a difference in their profits. Although they may care about the state of PvP, they'd be very reluctant to upset any sort of PvE balance.
You can't be serious. Have you even fitted the MKXII Omega engines and seen the turnrate/max speed on that compared to any other engines in the game? It beats the Aegis which easily beats the Borg. The Borg isn't even a hyper impulse engine.
You're right i havent. I've fitted Maco and tested those
I dont believe there is that big a difference but if you want to give me numbers that's fine.
But the maco engines dont stack up to the borg to be honest and i don't see omega being that much different.
I'm going to wait and see what the fleet engines are since we're going to have them rather soon. But I'll be glad to be full fleet no matter what the set bonuses become.
I don't believe there's been one...I made a post in one of the threads that was merged in, but removed it when i saw another mod working on the same thread. I thought I'd Ninja'd my post out before anyone saw it
That is unless I missed something else.
I'm issuing a few warnings over the last few pages, please try and avoid discussing fleet names and player names guys. It's against the rules. Discussion on the power changes is of course welcome.
NP, when you guys do team DC the threads get confusing real fast.
The existng cutting beam is a debuff. his is a weapon, they are not going to work the same. Current cutting beam is bassiclly a high sheild pen kenetic damage tachyon beam.
NP, when you guys do team DC the threads get confusing real fast.
Haha yeah, to me too, I went to do something to one thread, and another mod ninja'd me to it (no idea who!) so when the post I made appeared in this it was a definite WTF moment ;-)
I don't know about the slander, but changing something I paid for is FRAUD and they have already done that so....
They should leave the Borg set alone as some of us did the HARD version of the STFs way back when to earn it.
Used to be Cryptic left stuff that was already in game alone to avoid the FRAUD moniker, they need to reinstate this policy.
As for devs in fleets getting stuff modified to suit their play style, I believe that would be grounds for termination.
Which pieces of the Borg set and Maco set are recommended?
Calm down, this isn't fraud, you've not 'bought' anything with real money, this is a power set adjustment - it's not exactly fraud if I trained a Boff in Tactical Team and then they changed the power's effects is it?
No, the new holdings are either part of or just after S7 and will run concurrently with the current T4 builds going on. They are for embassies in various areas, the new Romulan zone for example and require far less in contributions than the Starbase, IIRC they are also going to be tied into the new rep system. There's a blog about it somewhere. The rewards will be new consoles again IIRC.
If you can actually get these consoles without insane levels of fleetgrind, dilithium, or needing specific starbase tiers, or another nasty surprise (I do not necessarily consider the reputation system as bad, as a note), then this might be really good.
I will refrain from judgment until I actually see it, but I am not overly optimistic, seeing as how the starbase system's primary feature seems to be making it impossible for a lot of people to get equipment that people will be outright expected to have.
Eh the borg shield is not as bad as people make it out to be IMHO.
Sure its low on the capacity and it does lack cool features like the +10% resistance but it does have two things going for it.
1) +5 power is +5 power. Thats a tiny bit of resist and regeneration.
2) Sick regeneration. Around 1k at high power levels with a Mk 11 that implies there will be a Mk 12.
Think about that for a minute. 1,000 shield regeneration every six seconds per facing.
You're right i havent. I've fitted Maco and tested those
I dont believe there is that big a difference but if you want to give me numbers that's fine.
But the maco engines dont stack up to the borg to be honest and i don't see omega being that much different.
I'm going to wait and see what the fleet engines are since we're going to have them rather soon. But I'll be glad to be full fleet no matter what the set bonuses become.
Do to player build specs/traits your numbers may very, but here's what my tac has using the kdf vet ship at 109/100 engine power and rcs console:
MKXII Omega: 55.42 flight speed 36.3 turn
Aegis Engines: 54.40 flight speed 35.2 turn
Reman MKXI: 37.71 flight speed 34.1 turn
KHG MKXII: 36.03 flight speed 37.4 turn
I never bothered to get borg engines for this toon or I'd have done that, but they're in the same engine class as the Reman, Aegis and Omega are Hyper-Impulse Engines, and KHG is Combat engine class.
Hyper Impulse are much better for top speed.
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My main character is Klingon. I don't care about 3 borg + maco. The borg set, including console, is the only set that you can mix with other sets and get two bonuses. Why not leave it that way?
This is a change to appease whiny people who want their "beautiful and unique snowflake" builds to be more viable. The existing 4-piece Borg set was not "overpowered," nor did it become "overpowered" when you combined it with a high-level shield from another set. :rolleyes:
I was referring to elite. People actually play on normal difficulty?
I do. The thought of being yelled at for being a 'stupid pug n00b' or whatever for not getting everything precisely right every time at the Elite levels has sufficiently discouraged me from engaging at such. A few other things about Elite levels don't really inspire my confidence either.
Truth be told I'm pretty happy with the MACO Mk XI gear - so far as I can tell it's only slightly inferior to the Mk XII stuff, so I'm not missing out on much other than stress.
That said, while I do spend a good amount of time in-game I seem to complete game stuff a lot slower than must. What do you folks DO to make things go so fast? Is it actually fun rushing through everything like that?
Calm down, this isn't fraud, you've not 'bought' anything with real money, this is a power set adjustment - it's not exactly fraud if I trained a Boff in Tactical Team and then they changed the power's effects is it?
YES!
ANY bait and switch practices are considered FRAUD.
If you achieve something in game that item should remain untouchable by the devs for the life of the game.
Of course that would be considered FAIR business practices, something I've yet to see this company demonstrate.
Do to player build specs/traits your numbers may very, but here's what my tac has using the kdf vet ship at 109/100 engine power and rcs console:
MKXII Omega: 55.42 flight speed 36.3 turn
Aegis Engines: 54.40 flight speed 35.2 turn
Reman MKXI: 37.71 flight speed 34.1 turn
KHG MKXII: 36.03 flight speed 37.4 turn
I never bothered to get borg engines for this toon or I'd have done that, but they're in the same engine class as the Reman, Aegis and Omega are Hyper-Impulse Engines, and KHG is Combat engine class.
Hyper Impulse are much better for top speed.
Thanks for showing me engines and numbers rather than just blowing me off. That is a significantly higher flight speed. However Is that engine spec or just pure combat/buffs stuff? My engine power usually floats at 52/25 in Offensive or Defensive power settings.
I am still not sure i want to go non fleet spec at this point but at least you give me a reason to look at Omega XII's. My largest concern is at this point is it worth trying to grind that set out? Or should i just look at STF's as a fun thing and go pure fleet from now on.
ANY bait and switch practices are considered FRAUD.
If you achieve something in game that item should remain untouchable by the devs for the life of the game.
Of course that would be considered FAIR business practices, something I've yet to see this company demonstrate.
Uh so much drama for gear in a game. Season 7 is a major patch. Stuff will change, we'll get new sets and we'll get the ability to cumulate two sets without buying the second one from the lobi store. This is a huge improvement. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just sayng that some players are insanely conservative, and that some others do like changes in their games. Change isn't always bad.
Uh so much drama for gear in a game. Season 7 is a major patch. Stuff will change, we'll get new sets and we'll get the ability to cumulate two sets without buying the second one from the lobi store. This is a huge improvement. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just sayng that some players are insanely conservative, and that some others do like changes in their games. Change isn't always bad.
I'm guessing we will have to STF grind for currency to buy the new components of these nerfed sets?
What if we don't like STFs?
If they are going to do this they need to credit everyone with the Borg set these two new weapons.
Thanks for showing me engines and numbers rather than just blowing me off. That is a significantly higher flight speed. However Is that engine spec or just pure combat/buffs stuff? My engine power usually floats at 52/25 in Offensive or Defensive power settings.
I am still not sure i want to go non fleet spec at this point but at least you give me a reason to look at Omega XII's. My largest concern is at this point is it worth trying to grind that set out? Or should i just look at STF's as a fun thing and go pure fleet from now on.
If you're running and or chasing if nothing else move to a max engine power preset before using evasives. I'd recommend using an Engine batt if your not on cooldown. This is strong enough to break free from most tractor beams and gravity wells as well.
There are 3 Engine classes, go for hyper impulse, not impulse, not combat impulse if you're in an escort. You'll notice how close the Aegis Engines are, it's b/c they're from the same engine class as Omegas. Also, those are MKXII Omegas, the MK X or MK XI are closer to if not slower than the Aegis Engines which have a 5% defense boost.
Look into using Aux2Batt w/Tech doffs, I don't have a link but there are a variety of builds which will allow you to have greatly reduced Boff cooldowns as well as power boosts from your aux.
Note: Don't trust the UI for unfit Engine specs. You need to fit them in system space to see their actual values.
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I do. The thought of being yelled at for being a 'stupid pug n00b' or whatever for not getting everything precisely right every time at the Elite levels has sufficiently discouraged me from engaging at such. A few other things about Elite levels don't really inspire my confidence either.
Truth be told I'm pretty happy with the MACO Mk XI gear - so far as I can tell it's only slightly inferior to the Mk XII stuff, so I'm not missing out on much other than stress.
That said, while I do spend a good amount of time in-game I seem to complete game stuff a lot slower than must. What do you folks DO to make things go so fast? Is it actually fun rushing through everything like that?
The vast majority of PvE in this game is just a DPS race.
I'd just put people who are abusive on ignore and play at the difficulty I'd like. If they can't bother to be constructive in a civil manner it's on them, you shouldn't change what you want to do.
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Whine whine whine. We no longer have to deal with zombie cruisers and invulnerable escorts so I'd say well done Cryptic!
No one is stopping you from running a mix of omega and maco sets. Its not as regen-y or impenetrable as 3borg+maco shield... which is the point!
Science nerf? Seriously? Aren't you guys specced into torpedo boats and shield stripping? Smack a R62 into your eng slot and boost a BEAM weapon. And for those who have tetryons, and R62 console, eat your heart out, you little gimmick in an ENG slot just boosted all your weapons!
I'm more interested in what the hell is a kinetic cutting beam? And lol plasma torpedo. That's 2 sets that boost those.
I'm eager to go test this in game!
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Whine whine whine. We no longer have to deal with zombie cruisers and invulnerable escorts so I'd say well done Cryptic!
No one is stopping you from running a mix of omega and maco sets. Its not as regen-y or impenetrable as 3borg+maco shield... which is the point!
What about the people that did not run 3-Borg + Maco?
What about the folks that ran 2-Borg + 2-some other set? Perhaps they ran three of those 2+2 toons? Perhaps now they're looking at completely rerolling the toons?
What about the people that did not run 3-Borg + Maco?
What about the folks that ran 2-Borg + 2-some other set? Perhaps they ran three of those 2+2 toons? Perhaps now they're looking at completely rerolling the toons?
Perhaps they might complain?
Perhaps?
Run your prefered 2-set + maco shield. That's how I'd adapt. With the plasma torp in the weapons group, I'd try:
What about the people that did not run 3-Borg + Maco?
What about the folks that ran 2-Borg + 2-some other set? Perhaps they ran three of those 2+2 toons? Perhaps now they're looking at completely rerolling the toons?
Perhaps they might complain?
Perhaps?
LOL, rerolling for a small gear change. If you need to do that your build is rather weak. But trust me it will have very little consequence if you don't respec because a good build is a good build, whatever gear you're using.
Hey, I appreciate the reply - and - it's my fault for not stating that I was coming from a PvP PoV - but yeah, on the PvE side I can see much better ways to adapt. Way different story from that angle, imo.
I'll lose the fluff aspect I had - will have to see if that matters enough or if I can't find some other fluff or if that's it. I'm not a major source of income for PWE by any means, so it's not a threat sort of thing in the least.
LOL, rerolling for a small gear change. If you need to do that your build is rather weak. But trust me it will have very little consequence if you don't respec because a good build is a good build, whatever gear you're using.
Um, going from a 2+2 set where the toon's been completely built around those two sets on a particular ship - yeah, that is going to require a reroll.
edit: I suppose it seems silly to do a reroll over the loss of a 1% proc. The thing is - the toons are not built to take advantage of the 3-set bonuses from the main set. The individual part of the set that would be replaced to get that 3-set would also be the wrong part given the character's build. The BOFFs, DOFFs, skill points, the ship, etc, etc, etc - was built around concepts involving those 2+2 sets. Like I said in the other post though, it's just fluff - fun - I'll either find something else or I won't.
edit2: Perhaps it was that wtf kneejerk reaction - but in looking at two of the three in question, tbh - I'm fine just keeping them as they are - I like flying them. I actually see an opportunity for the third that did not exist previously that I'll do a reroll to include the wep/con set.
edit3: Who knows? I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and do something when I have to do something...
I agree there needed to be a change, but I disagree that you needed to remove the console. The fixes suggest by the community about adding consoles and other things to existing sets so more variety would of been way more welcome. Most of my escorts fly 2 borg and 2 omega, most of my sci fly 3 borg with omega shields and my engi fly 2 borg and 2 maco. Congrats, you just screwed over 9 Federation characters that I have spend HOURS on grinding MK XII Omega and MACO gear on.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I don't believe there's been one...I made a post in one of the threads that was merged in, but removed it when i saw another mod working on the same thread. I thought I'd Ninja'd my post out before anyone saw it
That is unless I missed something else.
I'm issuing a few warnings over the last few pages, please try and avoid discussing fleet names and player names guys. It's against the rules. Discussion on the power changes is of course welcome.
EDIT: Issued One Warning, my bad it wasn't plural, but please be careful guys.
Cryptic has already stated that they don't have the resources to focus on PvP. They could basically axe PvP and it wouldn't make a difference in their profits. Although they may care about the state of PvP, they'd be very reluctant to upset any sort of PvE balance.
I was referring to elite. People actually play on normal difficulty?
You're right i havent. I've fitted Maco and tested those
I dont believe there is that big a difference but if you want to give me numbers that's fine.
But the maco engines dont stack up to the borg to be honest and i don't see omega being that much different.
I'm going to wait and see what the fleet engines are since we're going to have them rather soon. But I'll be glad to be full fleet no matter what the set bonuses become.
NP, when you guys do team DC the threads get confusing real fast.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Haha yeah, to me too, I went to do something to one thread, and another mod ninja'd me to it (no idea who!) so when the post I made appeared in this it was a definite WTF moment ;-)
Calm down, this isn't fraud, you've not 'bought' anything with real money, this is a power set adjustment - it's not exactly fraud if I trained a Boff in Tactical Team and then they changed the power's effects is it?
If you can actually get these consoles without insane levels of fleetgrind, dilithium, or needing specific starbase tiers, or another nasty surprise (I do not necessarily consider the reputation system as bad, as a note), then this might be really good.
I will refrain from judgment until I actually see it, but I am not overly optimistic, seeing as how the starbase system's primary feature seems to be making it impossible for a lot of people to get equipment that people will be outright expected to have.
Sure its low on the capacity and it does lack cool features like the +10% resistance but it does have two things going for it.
1) +5 power is +5 power. Thats a tiny bit of resist and regeneration.
2) Sick regeneration. Around 1k at high power levels with a Mk 11 that implies there will be a Mk 12.
Think about that for a minute. 1,000 shield regeneration every six seconds per facing.
Do to player build specs/traits your numbers may very, but here's what my tac has using the kdf vet ship at 109/100 engine power and rcs console:
MKXII Omega: 55.42 flight speed 36.3 turn
Aegis Engines: 54.40 flight speed 35.2 turn
Reman MKXI: 37.71 flight speed 34.1 turn
KHG MKXII: 36.03 flight speed 37.4 turn
I never bothered to get borg engines for this toon or I'd have done that, but they're in the same engine class as the Reman, Aegis and Omega are Hyper-Impulse Engines, and KHG is Combat engine class.
Hyper Impulse are much better for top speed.
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This is a change to appease whiny people who want their "beautiful and unique snowflake" builds to be more viable. The existing 4-piece Borg set was not "overpowered," nor did it become "overpowered" when you combined it with a high-level shield from another set. :rolleyes:
I do. The thought of being yelled at for being a 'stupid pug n00b' or whatever for not getting everything precisely right every time at the Elite levels has sufficiently discouraged me from engaging at such. A few other things about Elite levels don't really inspire my confidence either.
Truth be told I'm pretty happy with the MACO Mk XI gear - so far as I can tell it's only slightly inferior to the Mk XII stuff, so I'm not missing out on much other than stress.
That said, while I do spend a good amount of time in-game I seem to complete game stuff a lot slower than must. What do you folks DO to make things go so fast? Is it actually fun rushing through everything like that?
YES!
ANY bait and switch practices are considered FRAUD.
If you achieve something in game that item should remain untouchable by the devs for the life of the game.
Of course that would be considered FAIR business practices, something I've yet to see this company demonstrate.
Thanks for showing me engines and numbers rather than just blowing me off. That is a significantly higher flight speed. However Is that engine spec or just pure combat/buffs stuff? My engine power usually floats at 52/25 in Offensive or Defensive power settings.
I am still not sure i want to go non fleet spec at this point but at least you give me a reason to look at Omega XII's. My largest concern is at this point is it worth trying to grind that set out? Or should i just look at STF's as a fun thing and go pure fleet from now on.
Uh so much drama for gear in a game. Season 7 is a major patch. Stuff will change, we'll get new sets and we'll get the ability to cumulate two sets without buying the second one from the lobi store. This is a huge improvement. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just sayng that some players are insanely conservative, and that some others do like changes in their games. Change isn't always bad.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I'm guessing we will have to STF grind for currency to buy the new components of these nerfed sets?
What if we don't like STFs?
If they are going to do this they need to credit everyone with the Borg set these two new weapons.
If you're running and or chasing if nothing else move to a max engine power preset before using evasives. I'd recommend using an Engine batt if your not on cooldown. This is strong enough to break free from most tractor beams and gravity wells as well.
There are 3 Engine classes, go for hyper impulse, not impulse, not combat impulse if you're in an escort. You'll notice how close the Aegis Engines are, it's b/c they're from the same engine class as Omegas. Also, those are MKXII Omegas, the MK X or MK XI are closer to if not slower than the Aegis Engines which have a 5% defense boost.
Look into using Aux2Batt w/Tech doffs, I don't have a link but there are a variety of builds which will allow you to have greatly reduced Boff cooldowns as well as power boosts from your aux.
Note: Don't trust the UI for unfit Engine specs. You need to fit them in system space to see their actual values.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
The vast majority of PvE in this game is just a DPS race.
I'd just put people who are abusive on ignore and play at the difficulty I'd like. If they can't bother to be constructive in a civil manner it's on them, you shouldn't change what you want to do.
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"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
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No one is stopping you from running a mix of omega and maco sets. Its not as regen-y or impenetrable as 3borg+maco shield... which is the point!
Science nerf? Seriously? Aren't you guys specced into torpedo boats and shield stripping? Smack a R62 into your eng slot and boost a BEAM weapon. And for those who have tetryons, and R62 console, eat your heart out, you little gimmick in an ENG slot just boosted all your weapons!
I'm more interested in what the hell is a kinetic cutting beam? And lol plasma torpedo. That's 2 sets that boost those.
I'm eager to go test this in game!
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What about the people that did not run 3-Borg + Maco?
What about the folks that ran 2-Borg + 2-some other set? Perhaps they ran three of those 2+2 toons? Perhaps now they're looking at completely rerolling the toons?
Perhaps they might complain?
Perhaps?
Run your prefered 2-set + maco shield. That's how I'd adapt. With the plasma torp in the weapons group, I'd try:
DHCx2, beam, torp, purple 2-piece Reman, macoshield, Assimilated.
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LOL, rerolling for a small gear change. If you need to do that your build is rather weak. But trust me it will have very little consequence if you don't respec because a good build is a good build, whatever gear you're using.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Hey, I appreciate the reply - and - it's my fault for not stating that I was coming from a PvP PoV - but yeah, on the PvE side I can see much better ways to adapt. Way different story from that angle, imo.
I'll lose the fluff aspect I had - will have to see if that matters enough or if I can't find some other fluff or if that's it. I'm not a major source of income for PWE by any means, so it's not a threat sort of thing in the least.
Dookie happens - can still be frustrating though.
Um, going from a 2+2 set where the toon's been completely built around those two sets on a particular ship - yeah, that is going to require a reroll.
edit: I suppose it seems silly to do a reroll over the loss of a 1% proc. The thing is - the toons are not built to take advantage of the 3-set bonuses from the main set. The individual part of the set that would be replaced to get that 3-set would also be the wrong part given the character's build. The BOFFs, DOFFs, skill points, the ship, etc, etc, etc - was built around concepts involving those 2+2 sets. Like I said in the other post though, it's just fluff - fun - I'll either find something else or I won't.
edit2: Perhaps it was that wtf kneejerk reaction - but in looking at two of the three in question, tbh - I'm fine just keeping them as they are - I like flying them. I actually see an opportunity for the third that did not exist previously that I'll do a reroll to include the wep/con set.
edit3: Who knows? I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and do something when I have to do something...
I'm not Mai Kai, but I approve of these changes too.
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