Based on the constant stream of "So-and-so has won a (insert lockbox ship here)!" messages over the last nine months, I'd say the community has no problem* at all with lockboxes. And I have to agree with OP that the forum whining is no longer amusing.
The problem is that this game is rapidly closing off regular avenues of obtaining ships/gear, and replacing it with a lottery system.
I'm not happy with the way I had to obtain it, though; and thus not happy with the direction this game is going in
And if the lottery element starts to take over everything, I will assuredly leave.
What does that sound like to you, praisal and gratefulness ?
Like I said if you are on a peak experience there with your cash ship why are you posting complaints again.
I think you need to go over the watered up excuses in your head trying to tell yourself you didn't do it out of pure addiction.
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"The problem is .. I'm not happy ... I will assuredly leave"
Like I said if you are on a peak experience there with your cash ship why are you posting complaints again.
If you can't understand why someone would argue against the existence of a system that they feel is wrong or bad but which they still personally benefit(ed) from then I don't see how that's anyone else's problem but your own.
And if the lottery element starts to take over everything, I will assuredly leave.
Don't worry; when the only players left in the game are all the condescending players who thought the lockboxes were a great idea... when they're the ONLY ones footing the bill and missing the days when a ship actually had a fixed, knowable price, the shoe will be on the other foot.
Granted, by then I won't care all that much, but I'll take grim satisfaction over none at all.
Based on the constant stream of "So-and-so has won a (insert lockbox ship here)!" messages over the last nine months, I'd say the community has no problem* at all with lockboxes. And I have to agree with OP that the forum whining is no longer amusing.
Want to know what I find amusing, that everyone eventually will find something to "whine" about or "moan" on these forums.
Many people on here have belittled others who have dared to disagree with something that Cryptic has done/not done, until the thing that they don't like happens, then they too, decide to "whine" or "moan". It could be foundry, lockboxes, PVP, STFs, no FE, anything, but something will happen to make you feel so let down or so angry, that these forums will be your place to shout out to anyone ready to listen.
Take the recent 1000 day veteran rewards. Boy did I laugh at all those who constantly defend Cryptic, that for the first time, they weren't happy that this happened and thus, came out in force about how wrong it was. They "whined" and "moaned" like the best of us.;)
What I am saying to you and to Leviathan, is that eventually something will happen and you too will be on the "other side", "whining" and "moaning" and people like yourselves, will make threads, telling you to suck it up or stop with the moaning.
Lets see how you feel then.:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
No that doesn't make any sense to me, what is there to complain about if you are satisfied.
He openly admits he hated what he had to do - keyword being HAD to
This after he posts a 5 pages post on how buying cash ships has zero do with addiction and you will excuse me if have a hardtime buying he isn't biased and post rationalizing his actions :rolleyes:
Just like you feel sympathetic to him because you spent a truckload too
I think it's great you are keeping the servers up I just want you to be happy, that's just not what you sound like when you complain
No that doesn't make any sense to me, what is there to complain about if you are satisfied.
He openly admits he hated what he had to do - keyword being HAD to
This after he posts a 5 pages post on how buying cash ships has zero do with addiction and you will excuse me if have a hardtime buying he isn't biased and post rationalizing his actions :rolleyes:
Just like you feel sympathetic to him because you spent a truckload too
I think it's great you are keeping the servers up I just want you to be happy, that's just not what you sound like when you complain
There's a big difference between being happy at your particular luck with a system, and being unhappy with the system itself.
That's because you're arguing with a strawman, not anything anyone in this thread has ever said.
He openly admits he hated what he had to do - keyword being HAD to
Yes, he had to do what he did if he wanted to get the item. Don't bring up the "oh, well you don't 'need' anything in the game, just ignore it if you don't like it!" defense because it's been brought up and debunked earlier in this thread and in posts that are much more well put together than your own.
Just like you feel sympathetic to him because you spent a truckload too
I've never spent a cent on any of the lockboxes or anything that comes out of them. It's pretty easy to tell when someone can't form a decent argument for their case when they can't even put together a decent personal attack without messing it up. Seriously, your entire argument is pretty much "well, if you don't like lockboxes then you must be a gambling addict." You rely on that single "defense" so much you even try throwing it at people who have already, in this very thread, said they've never bought a lockbox.
What personal attack, I said you feel sympathetic because you identify with the guy who spent money like you.
That's not personal, that's saying you are overlooking the point in case because you are emotionally biased - by your own admission "I feel personally assulted"
But that's neither here nor there
What meimeitoo said was "I'm not happy with the way I had to obtain it" but "I HAD to".
I didn't like it but I couldn't help myself.
Now I am saying if you can convince yourself you are happy with your purchase, great ! I want you to be
It was worth every penny and more and we are all smiles and clear blue sky here, fanastic.
But by his own admission he is un-happy and even threatening to leave, does that really strike you as a satisfied customer ?
Of course he has to say, if nothing else to himself, that he loves his ship, and if he could get away with lying to himself I'd love to help - I just don't think he has the means to lie well enough which is meant as a compliment
Which isn't saying he couldn't be happy, or anyone else potentially couldn't be happy with their cash ship, just the specific point where he is at
I hated the lock boxes when they first come out but after they added the Lobi store I have opened about 300 boxes all with keys I got off the exchange its not that hard to earn the 1.4 million EC for a key.
Like I said if you are on a peak experience there with your cash ship why are you posting complaints again.
Beause I don't like the 'lottery-only' way of acquiring it.
Before, with the Tholian ships, I simply bought those on the exchange -- no lockboxes involved (at least not on my end). Now, with the temporal stuff, for half the gear (the 3-piece temporal set) that goes with it, the system offered me no way around the lockbox system. THAT is my beef.
I think you need to go over the watered up excuses in your head trying to tell yourself you didn't do it out of pure addiction.
It's apparently very difficult for you to separate the issues. Kinda reminds me of that applicable saying here: if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
If you can't understand why someone would argue against the existence of a system that they feel is wrong or bad but which they still personally benefit(ed) from then I don't see how that's anyone else's problem but your own.
The one where you keep accusing people who disagree with you of being gambling addicts. No point in trying to backtracking now, you already made the posts
I said you feel sympathetic because you identify with the guy who spent money like you.
So did you actually read my post or are you just TRIBBLE with us? Because this is another post of yours where you haven't even attempted to defend your stance and instead are attempting attack the people who disagree with you (wrapped around crappy armchair psychology, of course).
The one where you keep accusing people who disagree with you of being gambling addicts. No point in trying to backtracking now, you already made the posts
So did you actually read my post or are you just TRIBBLE with us? Because this is another post of yours where you haven't even attempted to defend your stance and instead are attempting attack the people who disagree with you (wrapped around crappy armchair psychology, of course).
I don't know if I read your post, I was mainly replying to meimeitoo saying "it was the furthest thing from addiction that he "had to do" something he hated.
If he is an addict or not I never spoke on, I said feeling compelled to do something you don't want to but do it anyway is the core definition of addiction.
Then I said if he is happy with what went down there is no reason to complain or for any of us to say anything more about it but that to me it seems he is not happy and he the words he used was amongst other specifically "un-happy".
What personal attack, I said you feel sympathetic because you identify with the guy who spent money like you.
That's not personal, that's saying you are overlooking the point in case because you are emotionally biased - by your own admission "I feel personally assulted"
But that's neither here nor there
What meimeitoo said was "I'm not happy with the way I had to obtain it" but "I HAD to".
I didn't like it but I couldn't help myself.
ROFL. I let it slide in my earlier reply, but you *really* need to look up the word 'misconstrue', cuz you're doing it again.
As for the rest of your distorted account (hint: 'distort' = synonym of 'misconstrue'), I found it too hilarious to comment on (other than to say I found it too hilarious to comment on).
Still happy with my Mobius, still unhappy with lottery lockboxes.
Oh, I get it. Because YOU'VE accepted lockboxes, everyone else should.
I'm so glad one of the most vocal members of the community is one who settles for less. :rolleyes:
This is the funny thing, the screamers going on about how bad gambling is, etc... dont seem really get that other people have different values, they may go along with the letter of accepting but are often in violation of the spirit. one could easily argue that there are some players trying to use that very old tactic of applying social pressure to attempt to get others to conform with their moral views.
the situation now is ideal, you can use the lockboxes or not. you can play your way i can play mine, as long as we are having fun we are getting what we have paid for out of the game.
ROFL. I let it slide in my earlier reply, but you *really* need to look up the word 'misconstrue', cuz you're doing it again.
As for the rest of your distorted account (hint: 'distort' = synonym of 'misconstrue'), I found it too hilarious to comment on (other than to say I found it too hilarious to comment on).
Still happy with my Mobius, still unhappy with lottery lockboxes.
Heheh, it's not me you have to convince, putting "lol" and "rofl" and smilies in your posts won't help your internal state of "unhappy" and "having to".
It makes no difference to me you see, I didn't put any money down and I don't pvp; fly whatever you like, just like I hate the design of the timeships and don't even have anything to grind for anymore.
I don't have anything invested not even an electrical bill for having my PC's up
But you do, only it's yourself you have to come to terms with not me
You're overlooking the part where you want people to continue opening these boxes. If you tick people off too much (chance of payout being too low) then people will feel robbed, right or wrong, and give you the finger on your next round of lockboxes.
Personally, I've only ever opened them cuz I needed 600 lobi for a temporal set -- with no expectations for a ship (and, so be it, I didn't get one).
You've hit the nail on the head. The Lobi store is the new C-store. The big prize in the lockboxes is now like the tuffly freighter, a nice extra when waht you really want is the Lobi Crystals. Its also a convenient way to make character bound ships and items cost lots, lots more.
But you went ahead and put the cash down anyway because you "had to" there was "no other way".
At this point, yeah, I think you're just trolling. I'll oblige you for another round, though.
To start with the latter, yup, I said that, short of leaving the game altogether, there's no other way to get the temporal set from the lobi store, other than by opening lockboxes. Please, feel free to prove me wrong on this, as I'd love to bypass the lockbox system for future lobi store purchases!
Wait, wha?! You can't? I figured as much.
And yes, I wanted the temporal set. Doesn't make an an addict. In fact, there's many things I don't like, but do anyway. Like when the grocery shop has raised its prices for milk: don't really approve of it, but I buy the milk anyway, cuz I have no choice. And no, lolz, that doesn't make me a milk addict; it just makes me someone not willing to embrace the alternative (which is stop drinking milk altogether). And it's no different for this game: I may not like all decisions the devs make, but I'm simply not ready yet to quit altogether.
You've hit the nail on the head. The Lobi store is the new C-store. The big prize in the lockboxes is now like the tuffly freighter, a nice extra when waht you really want is the Lobi Crystals. Its also a convenient way to make character bound ships and items cost lots, lots more.
Yes. And if some peeps would stop trolling this thread, they might see how this is not a good development per se. In another thread we calculated that you need 1400 lobi to get the Mobius destroyer plus the 3-piece temporal set; aka $250 rl dollars (with still no guarantee of having gotten the Wells ship). Ships in the C-store went for $25. Methinks a tenfold increase in price should concern people at least a little.
I never said you were a milk addict, never said you were an addict either, but you seem to think you are and maybe if you convince me you aren't it will make things better.
But like I told you, it doesn't matter what I think it's something you have do deal with internally.
I said doing something you don't want to because you can't help yourself is the core of addiction; you claim to be totally satisfied and happy which then defeats that very definition, and so you could simply not have done it out of addiction
You did want to pay the money, you did it gladly and you have no regrets case closed everyone goes home happy right
However it's of course interesting you compare a virtual non-exsisting item with an everyday household necessity like milk...
Lastly you don't come off as anything but bitter and upset to me in addition to your own words but all that aside if you really are happy with everything that's all that matters, what would it matter what impression I get
I get sick of lockbox snark infiltrating every thread.
You are tired of people complaining about lock boxes, so you post a thread complaining about people complaining about lock boxes. How quaint :rolleyes:
Lastly you don't come off as anything but bitter and upset to me in addition to your own words
Vanity much? LOL. Not to bruise your ego even further, but you're just a silly man trolling the forums a bit, and I couldn't sleep, so I carried you a few rounds. Believe me, it takes a whole lot more than what you've got to make me 'bitter and upset.'
Mind if I LOL again? (Or will you use your pop-psychology again to 'demonstrate' I have a gaming addiction?). Actually, I'd love to see how you'll find new and improved ways to interpret this as me regretting my purchases. :P
Ignoring the lack of coherence here, you are again using the "have to", the fatalistic all or nothing must have no matter what rhetorics
A ctrl + F search of this page shows that the only instance of "have to" is from your own post here. I don't think you understand what quotation marks or strawmen are.
Slightly off topic, but are you guys noticing that with each new lock box, there seems to be a change in how to not see the "@handle has won a.." message?
I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to turn it off again. They hid the option in a place that I would have never thought to look. I had to ask around to figure out how to turn it off.
Slightly off topic, but are you guys noticing that with each new lock box, there seems to be a change in how to not see the "@handle has won a.." message?
I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to turn it off again. They hid the option in a place that I would have never thought to look. I had to ask around to figure out how to turn it off.
That seems pretty dirty.
Wait, you can actually turn that message off? Nice, it keeps getting in the way of the mission text I have the audacity of actually reading :P
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(*or perhaps the community does have a problem :P )
What does that sound like to you, praisal and gratefulness ?
Like I said if you are on a peak experience there with your cash ship why are you posting complaints again.
I think you need to go over the watered up excuses in your head trying to tell yourself you didn't do it out of pure addiction.
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"The problem is .. I'm not happy ... I will assuredly leave"
If you can't understand why someone would argue against the existence of a system that they feel is wrong or bad but which they still personally benefit(ed) from then I don't see how that's anyone else's problem but your own.
Granted, by then I won't care all that much, but I'll take grim satisfaction over none at all.
Want to know what I find amusing, that everyone eventually will find something to "whine" about or "moan" on these forums.
Many people on here have belittled others who have dared to disagree with something that Cryptic has done/not done, until the thing that they don't like happens, then they too, decide to "whine" or "moan". It could be foundry, lockboxes, PVP, STFs, no FE, anything, but something will happen to make you feel so let down or so angry, that these forums will be your place to shout out to anyone ready to listen.
Take the recent 1000 day veteran rewards. Boy did I laugh at all those who constantly defend Cryptic, that for the first time, they weren't happy that this happened and thus, came out in force about how wrong it was. They "whined" and "moaned" like the best of us.;)
What I am saying to you and to Leviathan, is that eventually something will happen and you too will be on the "other side", "whining" and "moaning" and people like yourselves, will make threads, telling you to suck it up or stop with the moaning.
Lets see how you feel then.:)
No that doesn't make any sense to me, what is there to complain about if you are satisfied.
He openly admits he hated what he had to do - keyword being HAD to
This after he posts a 5 pages post on how buying cash ships has zero do with addiction and you will excuse me if have a hardtime buying he isn't biased and post rationalizing his actions :rolleyes:
Just like you feel sympathetic to him because you spent a truckload too
I think it's great you are keeping the servers up I just want you to be happy, that's just not what you sound like when you complain
There's a big difference between being happy at your particular luck with a system, and being unhappy with the system itself.
That's because you're arguing with a strawman, not anything anyone in this thread has ever said.
Yes, he had to do what he did if he wanted to get the item. Don't bring up the "oh, well you don't 'need' anything in the game, just ignore it if you don't like it!" defense because it's been brought up and debunked earlier in this thread and in posts that are much more well put together than your own.
I've never spent a cent on any of the lockboxes or anything that comes out of them. It's pretty easy to tell when someone can't form a decent argument for their case when they can't even put together a decent personal attack without messing it up. Seriously, your entire argument is pretty much "well, if you don't like lockboxes then you must be a gambling addict." You rely on that single "defense" so much you even try throwing it at people who have already, in this very thread, said they've never bought a lockbox.
That's not personal, that's saying you are overlooking the point in case because you are emotionally biased - by your own admission "I feel personally assulted"
But that's neither here nor there
What meimeitoo said was "I'm not happy with the way I had to obtain it" but "I HAD to".
I didn't like it but I couldn't help myself.
Now I am saying if you can convince yourself you are happy with your purchase, great ! I want you to be
It was worth every penny and more and we are all smiles and clear blue sky here, fanastic.
But by his own admission he is un-happy and even threatening to leave, does that really strike you as a satisfied customer ?
Of course he has to say, if nothing else to himself, that he loves his ship, and if he could get away with lying to himself I'd love to help - I just don't think he has the means to lie well enough which is meant as a compliment
Which isn't saying he couldn't be happy, or anyone else potentially couldn't be happy with their cash ship, just the specific point where he is at
Beause I don't like the 'lottery-only' way of acquiring it.
Before, with the Tholian ships, I simply bought those on the exchange -- no lockboxes involved (at least not on my end). Now, with the temporal stuff, for half the gear (the 3-piece temporal set) that goes with it, the system offered me no way around the lockbox system. THAT is my beef.
It's apparently very difficult for you to separate the issues. Kinda reminds me of that applicable saying here: if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Finally someone who gets it.
The one where you keep accusing people who disagree with you of being gambling addicts. No point in trying to backtracking now, you already made the posts
So did you actually read my post or are you just TRIBBLE with us? Because this is another post of yours where you haven't even attempted to defend your stance and instead are attempting attack the people who disagree with you (wrapped around crappy armchair psychology, of course).
But you went ahead and put the cash down anyway because you "had to" there was "no other way"
And I am sorry if you feel hammered or nailed but that's kind of my point here, that you aren't feeling happy :rolleyes:
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I don't know if I read your post, I was mainly replying to meimeitoo saying "it was the furthest thing from addiction that he "had to do" something he hated.
If he is an addict or not I never spoke on, I said feeling compelled to do something you don't want to but do it anyway is the core definition of addiction.
Then I said if he is happy with what went down there is no reason to complain or for any of us to say anything more about it but that to me it seems he is not happy and he the words he used was amongst other specifically "un-happy".
Are you trolling or what? I already said twice that I have never spent money on lockboxes.
If you're replying to someone else then try using the quote function. It's not difficult.
Those are quotes from meimeitoo's last post, I edited my last post to reply to you
ROFL. I let it slide in my earlier reply, but you *really* need to look up the word 'misconstrue', cuz you're doing it again.
As for the rest of your distorted account (hint: 'distort' = synonym of 'misconstrue'), I found it too hilarious to comment on (other than to say I found it too hilarious to comment on).
Still happy with my Mobius, still unhappy with lottery lockboxes.
This is the funny thing, the screamers going on about how bad gambling is, etc... dont seem really get that other people have different values, they may go along with the letter of accepting but are often in violation of the spirit. one could easily argue that there are some players trying to use that very old tactic of applying social pressure to attempt to get others to conform with their moral views.
the situation now is ideal, you can use the lockboxes or not. you can play your way i can play mine, as long as we are having fun we are getting what we have paid for out of the game.
Heheh, it's not me you have to convince, putting "lol" and "rofl" and smilies in your posts won't help your internal state of "unhappy" and "having to".
It makes no difference to me you see, I didn't put any money down and I don't pvp; fly whatever you like, just like I hate the design of the timeships and don't even have anything to grind for anymore.
I don't have anything invested not even an electrical bill for having my PC's up
But you do, only it's yourself you have to come to terms with not me
You've hit the nail on the head. The Lobi store is the new C-store. The big prize in the lockboxes is now like the tuffly freighter, a nice extra when waht you really want is the Lobi Crystals. Its also a convenient way to make character bound ships and items cost lots, lots more.
At this point, yeah, I think you're just trolling. I'll oblige you for another round, though.
To start with the latter, yup, I said that, short of leaving the game altogether, there's no other way to get the temporal set from the lobi store, other than by opening lockboxes. Please, feel free to prove me wrong on this, as I'd love to bypass the lockbox system for future lobi store purchases!
Wait, wha?! You can't? I figured as much.
And yes, I wanted the temporal set. Doesn't make an an addict. In fact, there's many things I don't like, but do anyway. Like when the grocery shop has raised its prices for milk: don't really approve of it, but I buy the milk anyway, cuz I have no choice. And no, lolz, that doesn't make me a milk addict; it just makes me someone not willing to embrace the alternative (which is stop drinking milk altogether). And it's no different for this game: I may not like all decisions the devs make, but I'm simply not ready yet to quit altogether.
Yes. And if some peeps would stop trolling this thread, they might see how this is not a good development per se. In another thread we calculated that you need 1400 lobi to get the Mobius destroyer plus the 3-piece temporal set; aka $250 rl dollars (with still no guarantee of having gotten the Wells ship). Ships in the C-store went for $25. Methinks a tenfold increase in price should concern people at least a little.
Ignoring the lack of coherence here, you are again using the "have to", the fatalistic all or nothing must have no matter what rhetorics
I don't know what that in in reply to but I will say it's you feeling nailed and not really having any actual points
I never said you were a milk addict, never said you were an addict either, but you seem to think you are and maybe if you convince me you aren't it will make things better.
But like I told you, it doesn't matter what I think it's something you have do deal with internally.
I said doing something you don't want to because you can't help yourself is the core of addiction; you claim to be totally satisfied and happy which then defeats that very definition, and so you could simply not have done it out of addiction
You did want to pay the money, you did it gladly and you have no regrets case closed everyone goes home happy right
However it's of course interesting you compare a virtual non-exsisting item with an everyday household necessity like milk...
Lastly you don't come off as anything but bitter and upset to me in addition to your own words but all that aside if you really are happy with everything that's all that matters, what would it matter what impression I get
You are tired of people complaining about lock boxes, so you post a thread complaining about people complaining about lock boxes. How quaint :rolleyes:
Vanity much?
Mind if I LOL again? (Or will you use your pop-psychology again to 'demonstrate' I have a gaming addiction?). Actually, I'd love to see how you'll find new and improved ways to interpret this as me regretting my purchases. :P
Looking forward to your next installment!
- A 'bitter and upset' meimei.
A ctrl + F search of this page shows that the only instance of "have to" is from your own post here. I don't think you understand what quotation marks or strawmen are.
I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to turn it off again. They hid the option in a place that I would have never thought to look. I had to ask around to figure out how to turn it off.
That seems pretty dirty.
Wait, you can actually turn that message off? Nice, it keeps getting in the way of the mission text I have the audacity of actually reading :P
Other than unselecting 'system' messages to appear in main chat, I'd like to know how this can be done too, please.
I can't fully remember. It was some kind of notifications tab in "more" area of the menu where you select to visit the bridge.
Maybe I just turned off system messages.
edit: I think I turned off gameplay fly-in announcements.
Thx. I shall look into it.