Maybe LOTRO is doing "better" than STO. I wouldn't be surprised either way, but I'm not too sure what that has to do with my point which was that STO's F2P model is much more favorable for the player than one like LOTRO's.
has every thing to do with it for if players didnt like it would it not be in the very shape sto is? i would think so
If you aren't willing to accept the inherent loss in gambling then don't gamble. As I said, don't complain because you (generic you) don't understand gambling and went on ahead doing it anyway. I accept the loss in gambling, thus, I allow myself to do it.
You're overlooking the part where you want people to continue opening these boxes. If you tick people off too much (chance of payout being too low) then people will feel robbed, right or wrong, and give you the finger on your next round of lockboxes.
Personally, I've only ever opened them cuz I needed 600 lobi for a temporal set -- with no expectations for a ship (and, so be it, I didn't get one).
So what's your point? If you're saying that gambling is a bad thing, then thats your opinion.
Reasoning, not your strong suit, is it?
Seriously, in what universe did I ever say, or imply even, that gambling is bad? I only said the lockbox has a definite gamble-component -- which it does.
The problem is (for us) that the F2P model is a casual model - you're not paying a sub so it doesn't matter if you give the game a break for a few months and come back.
This business model relies on lots of players spending (relatively) small amounts of money. Because this is Star Trek, PWE also has the added bonus of a select few players that are prepared to spend a BIG amount of money to get the latest cool ship.
Content in this game is used as bait to bring lapsed players back in - there's little or no incentive to continually keep players playing.
Those of us that want to stick around are given half-baked grinds like The Vault (which is an abomination), the Fleet missions and Nukara/Defera (which I suspect were likely under development back in the Atari days).
It's of no small consequence that we haven't had anything like the STFs since the switch to PWE. The need just isn't there to keep people engaged for more that the time it takes for them to blow some cash on lockboxes.
The kind of game I think most of us would like STO to be is the subscription model (not in terms of payment, but in terms of content) - I had no problem paying out for paid expansions to SWG 'cause I got a lot of gameplay out of them (well, Trials of Obi-Wan notwithstanding).
It's a shame that an IP that is all about character and story has ended up in the portfolio of a company that's all about trinkets.
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It is simply amazing to think a MMO based on a franchise as huge and as long running as Star Trek would have problems with content. lol
There's a reason they flash winners across your screen (until you disable that 'feature') and it has to do with smart people knowing that not-so-smart people are extremely susceptible to things like lotteries and gambling.
The 'you don't have to do it' argument is garbage. They do everything possible to entice you to get over the 'you don't have to do it' voice in your head.
That's what advertising is all about. It's how casinos exist at all. It's why people still play the lottery despite knowing it's just a tax on not-so-smart people.
It isn't a businesses responsibility to make you responsible with your money.
You're overlooking the part where you want people to continue opening these boxes. If you tick people off too much (chance of payout being too low) then people will feel robbed, right or wrong, and give you the finger on your next round of lockboxes.
Personally, I've only ever opened them cuz I needed 600 lobi for a temporal set -- with no expectations for a ship (and, so be it, I didn't get one).
I'm guessing this is why the national and state lotteries in the US have all gone completely out of business by now.
Ask any lotto player what they do when a particular game isn't paying out. They switch games, or, ZOMG stop playing altogether.
It isn't an impossible thing to exert self-control, and if you can't do it in regards to this game then you have a problem that extends far beyond the concept of a lockbox.
Seriously, in what universe did I ever say, or imply even, that gambling is bad? I only said the lockbox has a definite gamble-component -- which it does.
Which I never said wasn't there. Thus, I could only assume that you were pointing it out to make a point about it.
has every thing to do with it for if players didnt like it would it not be in the very shape sto is? i would think so
Are you seriously trying to suggest that if something pulls in more money then it must be "good" or "better"? Going by that logic no one here should be upset about loto-boxes because they clearly pull in large amounts of money which means they must be great features. Which, coincidentally enough, LOTRO also uses anyway. So I'm still not sure what your point is unless you're trying to say you'd prefer Cryptic lock content and features behind the cash shop in addition to ships and costumes.
Turbine is a good deal larger than Cryptic and has a huge publisher in Warnerbros backing them.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that if something pulls in more money then it must be "good" or "better"? Going by that logic no one here should be upset about loto-boxes because they clearly pull in large amounts of money which means they must be great features.
Turbine is a good deal larger than Cryptic and has a huge publisher in Warnerbros backing them.
dont give me the hole cryptic is small memo been there herd that story is as old as the ppl who complain about the complainer's
to be frank they soooo small they should have not took on a Big IP
So what's your point? If you're saying that gambling is a bad thing, then thats your opinion. But it has no relevance here. Most other forms of gambling have no guaranteed payouts, and as far as the current lockbox goes, you actually get a better reward for relying on the guaranteed payout rather than the gamble. (IE, Mobius is a better ship in general than the Wells)
All the same, to get the Mobius (via purchased lockbox keys) you'd have to spend (on average) $160 - in what world could that ever seem reasonable? (and that's assuming an average payout of 5 Lobi when the actual average is 4.5 - it also assume the keys cost $1)
And I posit to you that if I had said nothing about what I've actually spent and won that you would most likely have accepted what I said about accepting the inherent loss of gambling and been on your way.
Not quite - enough has been said about the percentages and chances or 'winning' in this lottery that quite frankly, it baffles my why anyone would take part in it.
Its not wise nor fair to use a man's experiences against him when his words are still true regardless.
Please don't assuming I'm looking to pick a fight - a contrary opinion is just that - an opinion - mine aren't necessarily any more valid than yours - they are what they are.
And for the record, I'm glad your money wasn't wasted
also noone likes lockboxes but thier here to stay so why complain? wont do much except add some more goodies in them.
this whole forum reminds me of every other gaming forum. people will always complain about something.
Actually the only forums where people complain a lot are related to games where pay to win is omnipresent. I know no game where people can choose to pay to play or not to pay to competitvely play where people are complaining. When people have the choice, when they feel free to pay 5 euros or 100, without major changes to their overall performances, there's no complaint.
The major issues with the lockbox system is that it's designed to maniuplate us with some dirty psychological tricks, and that it's blatant pay to win. If you remove those two issues you'll see no complaints about it.
dont give me the hole cryptic is small memo been there herd that story is as old as the ppl who complain about the complainer's
Well, it's definitely much easier to stick to your own stance (whatever it is, you still haven't clarified what exactly your opinion on the matter is beyond "well if LOTRO is bigger then its model must be 'better' for the player" even though I clearly pointed out the ways it isn't) when you brush away all opposing arguments with marginally coherent posts and little to no actual argument or backing.
It isn't a businesses responsibility to make you responsible with your money.
That doesn't absolve them of their part in exploiting human nature to make you less responsible with your money. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and I usually start with invasive marketing tactics.
Well, it's definitely much easier to stick to your own stance (whatever it is, you still haven't clarified what exactly your opinion on the matter is beyond "well if LOTRO is bigger then its model must be 'better' for the player" even though I clearly pointed out the ways it isn't) when you brush away all opposing arguments with marginally coherent posts and little to no actual argument or backing.
point was it has had 2 expansions since going F2P and thats a hell of alot more then sto has really seen in almost 3 years that game dont really run out of mission to do now dose it ?
Regardless of what you think about lockboxes, there is no excuse to derail every discussion and every thread to be about lockboxes. Voicing dislike of the lockboxes in the appropriate threads and news articles is your given right as a customer, but whining about lockboxes in every single thread, no matter the topic, is akin to a little brat whining to his mom in the supermarket to get candy. Grow up and deal with it.
The mods should just split and move such posts even more rigurously than they are now. It's the only way this will stop.
All the same, to get the Mobius (via purchased lockbox keys) you'd have to spend (on average) $160 - in what world could that ever seem reasonable? (and that's assuming an average payout of 5 Lobi when the actual average is 4.5 - it also assume the keys cost $1)
You're not taking into account that in the pursuit of a Mobius you'll get TONS of other items that you can sell off for a fair amount of EC, that if they were in the Zen store would in general add up to the same amount you would have spent on keys.
Unless you somehow only manage to get nothing but the absolute lowest reward on every single box (and even then. Recruitment XP + Dilith), you'll get your general worth in items. Whether or not you find those items worth it doesn't matter, you should have accepted what you were going to get when you decided to gamble.
Not quite - enough has been said about the percentages and chances or 'winning' in this lottery that quite frankly, it baffles my why anyone would take part in it.
You could ask the same of anyone who plays real world lottery and they'll give you the same answer. The chance to get the jackpot outweighs the general amount of money they'll have to spend to get it, if they ever do. And considering with lockboxes that you never end up getting a "Not a Winner" when you open up a box (Even a winnings of $0.01 is still a winning lockbox, no matter how much you try to say otherwise) then scale tips heavily in favor of the player.
The major issues with the lockbox system is that it's designed to maniuplate us with some dirty psychological tricks, and that it's blatant pay to win. If you remove those two issues you'll see no complaints about it.
So I'm guessing no one's ever introduced you to capitalism then?
Also, you either pay in time or money. If you pay in neither, then you aren't playing the game.
Regardless of what you think about lockboxes, there is no excuse to derail every discussion and every thread to be about lockboxes. Voicing dislike of the lockboxes in the appropriate threads and news articles is your given right as a customer, but whining about lockboxes in every single thread, no matter the topic, is akin to a little brat whining to his mom in the supermarket to get candy. Grow up and deal with it.
The mods should just split and move such posts even more rigurously than they are now. It's the only way this will stop.
but yet whining about some one elss whining makes perfect sense
That doesn't absolve them of their part in exploiting human nature to make you less responsible with your money. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and I usually start with invasive marketing tactics.
"Head On, apply directly to the forehead."
... is pretty much the same as:
"xXbronyboi27Xx has won a Ferengi Marauder!"
As I said, it isn't the businesses responsibility. If you can't control yourself EVEN in the presence of such tactics, then you have a greater problem to deal with then one company not handing out ships left and right for a dollar.
but yet whining about some one elss whining makes perfect sense
Well its either we sit and watch while people whine about lockboxes or we try to dissolve the situation and spare everyone the headache of having to deal with snarky remarks that are just bandwagony more than legitimate concerns in the vast majority of posts.
You're not taking into account that in the pursuit of a Mobius you'll get TONS of other items that you can sell off for a fair amount of EC, that if they were in the Zen store would in general add up to the same amount you would have spent on keys.
I take it you didn't read Levi's thread where he spent $240 and all he got was Mirror ships (that sell for around 500k ECs), Doff packs and weapons?
If you're very lucky (in an unlucky kind of way) you may make back enough EC to buy something nice.
You could ask the same of anyone who plays real world lottery and they'll give you the same answer. The chance to get the jackpot outweighs the general amount of money they'll have to spend to get it, if they ever do. And considering with lockboxes that you never end up getting a "Not a Winner" when you open up a box (Even a winnings of $0.01 is still a winning lockbox, no matter how much you try to say otherwise) then scale tips heavily in favor of the player.
There's a subtle difference though no? If you win the real world lottery the results can be totally life transforming - something that can't be said of the Wells Class - in fact, if you were to blow $160 on lottery tickets I could at least understand the reasoning - for this game... not so much.
point was it has had 2 expansions since going F2P and thats a hell of alot more then sto has really seen in almost 3 years that game dont really run out of mission to do now dose it ?
As I've already explained twice, the game has expansions because they charge for content and features. STO gives its content and features away for free and relies on other purchases to bring in money. Also, Cryptic doesn't (didn't... who knows if the recent increase in employees will change this in any way) really have the manpower to develop an expansion's worth of content while also keeping up with their free updates. You can pretend it doesn't or shouldn't matter all you want; reality is that you can't develop more content if you don't have the resources for it. Heck, Turbine barely even manages it; go over to the LOTRO forums sometime and you'll constantly see people going on about how they miss the free updates the game would get before going F2P and how all Turbine cares about is pumping out more paid content updates that even subscribers have to pay for.
I really think this is case of the grass looking greener.
I think the question of are lockboxes worth it comes down to this: Are you happy paying $0.25 for a lobi crystal? (1 key costs $1.25 and you get 5 per box on average.)
The only way to realistically look at the lockboxes is with this frame of mind. Recognise that you are buying Lobi and understand that anything else you get is a bonus. This is the only way of looking at a situation where the most desirable outcome comes with a negligible percentage.
Personally I'm NOT happy spending $0.25 per Lobi. It makes a simple console that costs 200 lobi crystals come with a $50 price tag. Thats absolutely ridiculous. The latest 3 piece set would cost you $150.
Hell with the lifetime sale up now, the cost of the LIFETIME subscription is the same as the monetary cost of a Temporal Destroyer! Anyone else find that insane?
Think I'd like to get a job working for PWE where $50 is considered a micro-transaction.
You really expect people to embrace lock boxes? People complaining on here is not supposed to be a novelty to anyone, they voice their opinions and that is what the forums are for. If you don't like it then stop reading the forums, Problem solved.
As I've already explained twice, the game has expansions because they charge for content and features. STO gives its content and features away for free and relies on other purchases to bring in money. Also, Cryptic doesn't (didn't... who knows if the recent increase in employees will change this in any way) really have the manpower to develop an expansion's worth of content while also keeping up with their free updates. You can't pretend it doesn't or shouldn't matter all you want; you can't develop more content if you don't have the resources for it. Heck, Turbine barely even manages it; go over to the LOTRO forums sometime and you'll constantly see people going on about how they miss the free updates the game would get before going F2P and how all Turbine cares about is pumping out more paid content updates that even subscribers have to pay for.
I really think this is case of the grass looking greener.
heres a thought maybe thats is what sto is doing wrong just saying this can go on all day dont compare a game to a game if you dont like the way its compared back again just saying
As I said, it isn't the businesses responsibility. If you can't control yourself EVEN in the presence of such tactics, then you have a greater problem to deal with then one company not handing out ships left and right for a dollar.
Well its either we sit and watch while people whine about lockboxes or we try to dissolve the situation and spare everyone the headache of having to deal with snarky remarks that are just bandwagony more than legitimate concerns in the vast majority of posts.
So I guess businesses have no responsibility at all, then. They can use whatever tactics and schemes to get you to part with your money--even exploiting aspects of our uncontrollable human nature--and it's perfectly fine with you?
I count myself blessed that I'm intelligent enough and conscious enough of my state of mind to see through deceptive practices like flashing winners' names across my screen to give me the very false impression that if they can win it, so can I. It's deceptive, it's morally reprehensible, and it's unfortunately becoming more common.
And it's becoming more common because there aren't enough conversations like these.
You really expect people to embrace lock boxes? People complaining on here is not supposed to be a novelty to anyone, they voice their opinions and that is what the forums are for. If you don't like it then stop reading the forums, Problem solved.
So I guess businesses have no responsibility at all, then. They can use whatever tactics and schemes to get you to part with your money--even exploiting aspects of our uncontrollable human nature--and it's perfectly fine with you?
I count myself blessed that I'm intelligent enough and conscious enough of my state of mind to see through deceptive practices like flashing winners' names across my screen to give me the very false impression that if they can win it, so can I. It's deceptive, it's morally reprehensible, and it's unfortunately becoming more common.
And it's becoming more common because there aren't enough conversations like these.
heres a thought maybe thats is what sto is doing wrong just saying this can go on all day dont compare a game to a game if you dont like the way its compared back again just saying
I never argued that LOTRO didn't pull in more money. I said STO's model was much better for a free player looking to enjoy the game at minimal cost. Well, I didn't explicitly say the "at minimal cost" part but I figured it'd be obvious considering my first post was almost entirely about cost.
I never said I didn't like LOTRO. I have a founder's lifetime account for the game. I'm just pointing what should be the obvious but people seem to miss; that as far as F2P games go STO is one of the least expensive to actually play. I really don't care if anyone likes LOTRO or not.
So I guess businesses have no responsibility at all, then. They can use whatever tactics and schemes to get you to part with your money--even exploiting aspects of our uncontrollable human nature--and it's perfectly fine with you?
I count myself blessed that I'm intelligent enough and conscious enough of my state of mind to see through deceptive practices like flashing winners' names across my screen to give me the very false impression that if they can win it, so can I. It's deceptive, it's morally reprehensible, and it's unfortunately becoming more common.
And it's becoming more common because there aren't enough conversations like these.
You can in fact win a ship. It isn't a select few players that get all the ships. Complaining just because you aren't getting lucky on your second box doesn't make the system bad, it just makes you look like an entitled brat.
And besides, if you don't like it, don't pay into it. Invest your time and grind the EC and you can just buy the ships/keys outright and do it all completely for free.
I wouldn't go that far; there are far nastier things being done in the business world than lockboxes. My point is simply that we (general 'we') have to start drawing a line in the sand and not be so easily persuaded. We also shouldn't give businesses a pass because they're "not responsible" for what people do with their money.
I wouldn't go that far; there are far nastier things being done in the business world than lockboxes. My point is simply that we (general 'we') have to start drawing a line in the sand and not be so easily persuaded. We also shouldn't give businesses a pass because they're "not responsible" for what people do with their money.
Oh, I don't know - certainly PWE seems to regard their valued customers with all the compassion and loyalty that Enron did the State of California
You can in fact win a ship. It isn't a select few players that get all the ships. Complaining just because you aren't getting lucky on your second box doesn't make the system bad, it just makes you look like an entitled brat.
And besides, if you don't like it, don't pay into it. Invest your time and grind the EC and you can just buy the ships/keys outright and do it all completely for free.
Oh~ Delicious ad homenim! And a side of straw man?! I'll take it!
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has every thing to do with it for if players didnt like it would it not be in the very shape sto is? i would think so
system Lord Baal is dead
You're overlooking the part where you want people to continue opening these boxes. If you tick people off too much (chance of payout being too low) then people will feel robbed, right or wrong, and give you the finger on your next round of lockboxes.
Personally, I've only ever opened them cuz I needed 600 lobi for a temporal set -- with no expectations for a ship (and, so be it, I didn't get one).
Reasoning, not your strong suit, is it?
Seriously, in what universe did I ever say, or imply even, that gambling is bad? I only said the lockbox has a definite gamble-component -- which it does.
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It is simply amazing to think a MMO based on a franchise as huge and as long running as Star Trek would have problems with content. lol
It isn't a businesses responsibility to make you responsible with your money.
I'm guessing this is why the national and state lotteries in the US have all gone completely out of business by now.
Ask any lotto player what they do when a particular game isn't paying out. They switch games, or, ZOMG stop playing altogether.
It isn't an impossible thing to exert self-control, and if you can't do it in regards to this game then you have a problem that extends far beyond the concept of a lockbox.
Which I never said wasn't there. Thus, I could only assume that you were pointing it out to make a point about it.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that if something pulls in more money then it must be "good" or "better"? Going by that logic no one here should be upset about loto-boxes because they clearly pull in large amounts of money which means they must be great features. Which, coincidentally enough, LOTRO also uses anyway. So I'm still not sure what your point is unless you're trying to say you'd prefer Cryptic lock content and features behind the cash shop in addition to ships and costumes.
Turbine is a good deal larger than Cryptic and has a huge publisher in Warnerbros backing them.
dont give me the hole cryptic is small memo been there herd that story is as old as the ppl who complain about the complainer's
to be frank they soooo small they should have not took on a Big IP
system Lord Baal is dead
All the same, to get the Mobius (via purchased lockbox keys) you'd have to spend (on average) $160 - in what world could that ever seem reasonable? (and that's assuming an average payout of 5 Lobi when the actual average is 4.5 - it also assume the keys cost $1)
Fair enough.
Not quite - enough has been said about the percentages and chances or 'winning' in this lottery that quite frankly, it baffles my why anyone would take part in it.
Please don't assuming I'm looking to pick a fight - a contrary opinion is just that - an opinion - mine aren't necessarily any more valid than yours - they are what they are.
And for the record, I'm glad your money wasn't wasted
Actually the only forums where people complain a lot are related to games where pay to win is omnipresent. I know no game where people can choose to pay to play or not to pay to competitvely play where people are complaining. When people have the choice, when they feel free to pay 5 euros or 100, without major changes to their overall performances, there's no complaint.
The major issues with the lockbox system is that it's designed to maniuplate us with some dirty psychological tricks, and that it's blatant pay to win. If you remove those two issues you'll see no complaints about it.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Well, it's definitely much easier to stick to your own stance (whatever it is, you still haven't clarified what exactly your opinion on the matter is beyond "well if LOTRO is bigger then its model must be 'better' for the player" even though I clearly pointed out the ways it isn't) when you brush away all opposing arguments with marginally coherent posts and little to no actual argument or backing.
That doesn't absolve them of their part in exploiting human nature to make you less responsible with your money. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and I usually start with invasive marketing tactics.
"Head On, apply directly to the forehead."
... is pretty much the same as:
"xXbronyboi27Xx has won a Ferengi Marauder!"
point was it has had 2 expansions since going F2P and thats a hell of alot more then sto has really seen in almost 3 years that game dont really run out of mission to do now dose it ?
system Lord Baal is dead
The mods should just split and move such posts even more rigurously than they are now. It's the only way this will stop.
You're not taking into account that in the pursuit of a Mobius you'll get TONS of other items that you can sell off for a fair amount of EC, that if they were in the Zen store would in general add up to the same amount you would have spent on keys.
Unless you somehow only manage to get nothing but the absolute lowest reward on every single box (and even then. Recruitment XP + Dilith), you'll get your general worth in items. Whether or not you find those items worth it doesn't matter, you should have accepted what you were going to get when you decided to gamble.
You could ask the same of anyone who plays real world lottery and they'll give you the same answer. The chance to get the jackpot outweighs the general amount of money they'll have to spend to get it, if they ever do. And considering with lockboxes that you never end up getting a "Not a Winner" when you open up a box (Even a winnings of $0.01 is still a winning lockbox, no matter how much you try to say otherwise) then scale tips heavily in favor of the player.
So I'm guessing no one's ever introduced you to capitalism then?
Also, you either pay in time or money. If you pay in neither, then you aren't playing the game.
but yet whining about some one elss whining makes perfect sense
system Lord Baal is dead
As I said, it isn't the businesses responsibility. If you can't control yourself EVEN in the presence of such tactics, then you have a greater problem to deal with then one company not handing out ships left and right for a dollar.
Well its either we sit and watch while people whine about lockboxes or we try to dissolve the situation and spare everyone the headache of having to deal with snarky remarks that are just bandwagony more than legitimate concerns in the vast majority of posts.
I take it you didn't read Levi's thread where he spent $240 and all he got was Mirror ships (that sell for around 500k ECs), Doff packs and weapons?
If you're very lucky (in an unlucky kind of way) you may make back enough EC to buy something nice.
Then again, the odds are against you.
Still - the house always wins
There's a subtle difference though no? If you win the real world lottery the results can be totally life transforming - something that can't be said of the Wells Class - in fact, if you were to blow $160 on lottery tickets I could at least understand the reasoning - for this game... not so much.
As I've already explained twice, the game has expansions because they charge for content and features. STO gives its content and features away for free and relies on other purchases to bring in money. Also, Cryptic doesn't (didn't... who knows if the recent increase in employees will change this in any way) really have the manpower to develop an expansion's worth of content while also keeping up with their free updates. You can pretend it doesn't or shouldn't matter all you want; reality is that you can't develop more content if you don't have the resources for it. Heck, Turbine barely even manages it; go over to the LOTRO forums sometime and you'll constantly see people going on about how they miss the free updates the game would get before going F2P and how all Turbine cares about is pumping out more paid content updates that even subscribers have to pay for.
I really think this is case of the grass looking greener.
The only way to realistically look at the lockboxes is with this frame of mind. Recognise that you are buying Lobi and understand that anything else you get is a bonus. This is the only way of looking at a situation where the most desirable outcome comes with a negligible percentage.
Personally I'm NOT happy spending $0.25 per Lobi. It makes a simple console that costs 200 lobi crystals come with a $50 price tag. Thats absolutely ridiculous. The latest 3 piece set would cost you $150.
Hell with the lifetime sale up now, the cost of the LIFETIME subscription is the same as the monetary cost of a Temporal Destroyer! Anyone else find that insane?
Think I'd like to get a job working for PWE where $50 is considered a micro-transaction.
You really expect people to embrace lock boxes? People complaining on here is not supposed to be a novelty to anyone, they voice their opinions and that is what the forums are for. If you don't like it then stop reading the forums, Problem solved.
heres a thought maybe thats is what sto is doing wrong just saying this can go on all day dont compare a game to a game if you dont like the way its compared back again just saying
system Lord Baal is dead
So I guess businesses have no responsibility at all, then. They can use whatever tactics and schemes to get you to part with your money--even exploiting aspects of our uncontrollable human nature--and it's perfectly fine with you?
I count myself blessed that I'm intelligent enough and conscious enough of my state of mind to see through deceptive practices like flashing winners' names across my screen to give me the very false impression that if they can win it, so can I. It's deceptive, it's morally reprehensible, and it's unfortunately becoming more common.
And it's becoming more common because there aren't enough conversations like these.
soooooo this my good friend
system Lord Baal is dead
PWE: The Enron of the gaming world
I never argued that LOTRO didn't pull in more money. I said STO's model was much better for a free player looking to enjoy the game at minimal cost. Well, I didn't explicitly say the "at minimal cost" part but I figured it'd be obvious considering my first post was almost entirely about cost.
I never said I didn't like LOTRO. I have a founder's lifetime account for the game. I'm just pointing what should be the obvious but people seem to miss; that as far as F2P games go STO is one of the least expensive to actually play. I really don't care if anyone likes LOTRO or not.
You can in fact win a ship. It isn't a select few players that get all the ships. Complaining just because you aren't getting lucky on your second box doesn't make the system bad, it just makes you look like an entitled brat.
And besides, if you don't like it, don't pay into it. Invest your time and grind the EC and you can just buy the ships/keys outright and do it all completely for free.
I wouldn't go that far; there are far nastier things being done in the business world than lockboxes. My point is simply that we (general 'we') have to start drawing a line in the sand and not be so easily persuaded. We also shouldn't give businesses a pass because they're "not responsible" for what people do with their money.
Oh, I don't know - certainly PWE seems to regard their valued customers with all the compassion and loyalty that Enron did the State of California
Oh~ Delicious ad homenim! And a side of straw man?! I'll take it!