The truth is in some timelines the Borg probably did succeed at First Contact, and someone from the KDF probably did go back in time and wipe out the Federation, and so on. If you follow the theory that every time something in the past changes it simply creates a new branch of time - which is where the JJ-verse exists - then clearly any number of things probably did happen. This just happens to be STO's branch of time, and they're dictating the direction that branch will take.
True, everything already happened and we have infinite branches, and infinite worlds, and infinite galaxies.
now if you change the main branch or prime galaxy will it change all those branches again or create another branch from the prime branch, or will it create a new prime branch from that original branch, now making two big branches, making even more little branches, but the two big branches have nothing to do with each other.
Head hurts again...I need a Doctor...or shall i say The Doctor.
Can ANY Dev confirm that the Mobius Class Destroyer, and the Krenn Class Destroyer - will be purchaseable with Lobi Crystals?
PLEASE for the love of your prefered GOD - make the Lobi account bound!! Why should I have to open boxes up in multiple accounts if I want different characters to buy stuff?? and then have left over lobi - this makes me LESS likely to buy keys and open boxes!!
Not all of those are beautiful ships or anything, but to say there aren't enough ships for them to offer up is silly. That's not even counting the various and myriad ships from other races and generic ships we saw in the show that could be used, Breen Ships (already in-game) would be one example there.
Obviously they're trying to tie it in to the new Tholian content but it seems like this lockbox is about two months early. Putting it out near the end of Nov would have made more sense.
Im a bit disappointed about the mirror ships this time, i was hoping to get a Mirror Galaxy Class instead of a DSSV, RSV and a Qin.
I don't think they will be more popular than the Mirror Assault Cruiser and Mirror Star Cruiser. Both ships aren't nearly a iconic as a cruiser ship type.
Thank you for reading.
I don't see Cryptic, releasing mirror versions, of C store ship, so far they are doing the RA ships, so the next mirror ships will most likely be the Patrol escort, and Prometheus class.
I don't see why the Galaxy needs firepower when it's a super tanker ship.
The isometric charge now no longer unique to the KDF wow thats just as bad as giving them the plasmonic leech... the fed consoles are TRIBBLE anyways only players benefitting from this are the feds.
Anyways I have already seen other KDF players using the antimatter console in kerrat anyways so it seems that most of this stuff was already leaked in some manner.
Frankly, the fact people worry about canon balance when there's no ground for it in the first place is mind-boggling.
Well in fairness PWE/crytpic tried to give a canon reason for the ship to be in the game and most people don't like that reason.
simple as
Might be different if they said "Due to popular demand, and because a dev really likes this ship, we have the wells class and assorted temporal ships. Now your captain can be from the 29th century" but they didn't
Oh joy. Another lockbox with which I am to be "engendered".
Cryptic, have you truly gone insane? Logic in this game is becoming more and more selective. As people have already pointed out - it's somehow acceptable for hundreds, if not thousands, of 25th century captains to be flying around 29th century time ships, yet they cannot have T5 Constitutions?
(My opinion of whether or not the Connie should be in T5 is inconsequential where this is concerned.)
You've given one of the single-most controversial consoles in PVP (AMS) to the KDF, and filled the Lobi store with items that are quite clearly superior in balance and function to anything we can readily obtain through normal means.
If the distribution of power in this game is so flippant to you, then let's just cut to the chase and give the Feds and KDF access to every "+1" console.
For my part, I'll be steering clear of this lockbox. It's ridiculous. And when ESD system space starts looking like a Comicon merch floor, I will say "I told you so".
Can ANY Dev confirm that the Mobius Class Destroyer, and the Krenn Class Destroyer - will be purchaseable with Lobi Crystals?
PLEASE for the love of your prefered GOD - make the Lobi account bound!! Why should I have to open boxes up in multiple accounts if I want different characters to buy stuff?? and then have left over lobi - this makes me LESS likely to buy keys and open boxes!!
As a counterpart to these ships, we?re also introducing the Temporal Destroyer as an addition to our Lobi Crystal Store offerings. The Federation will be able to obtain the sleek Mobius Class Destroyer, while members of the KDF will obtain the deadly Krenn Class Destroyer.
Chances are that the Temporal Destroyer will cost 800 Lobi Crystals. I agree that Lobi Crystals should be account bound.
The isometric charge now no longer unique to the KDF wow thats just as bad as giving them the plasmonic leech... the fed consoles are TRIBBLE anyways only players benefitting from this are the feds.
Anyways I have already seen other KDF players using the antimatter console in kerrat anyways so it seems that most of this stuff was already leaked in some manner.
Tell that to PVP people who say antimatter spread is OP, and P2W.
And you might have confused Federation players switching to KDF side or Red feding , and using the Antimatter spread.
The temporal lockbox looks really awesome. But I want to wait for the formal F.A.Q. with detailed explanation about the ship and all possible rewards of the temporal lockbox.
The temporal lockbox looks really awesome. But I want to wait for the formal F.A.Q. with detailed explanation about the ship and all possible rewards of the temporal lockbox.
By FAQ you mean the exact same old list of only questions Cryptic wants to answer, like "How long will it be dropping?" and "What prizes can I win?" but not "What is the chance of winning a Wells ship?"
I don't see Cryptic, releasing mirror versions, of C store ship, so far they are doing the RA ships, so the next mirror ships will most likely be the Patrol escort, and Prometheus class.
I don't see why the Galaxy needs firepower when it's a super tanker ship.
Well the Galaxy is not only a C-Store ship, there is also the Fleet Galaxy and the T4 Galaxy (as far as i know). It is also the most iconic ship to the most people i know, the ship we grew up with, but the devs made it the most teethless Stasrfleet ship of them all. So i was hoping they would release a "Mirror Universe Galaxy Class". The BOFF & Console Layout of the Ferengi D'Kora or the Galor would make this ship finally a bit more like it was used to be. (But i know the devs apparently hate TNG and everything related to it, so they made the Galaxy the Federation Cruiser with the least firepower.)
For more information: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=386771
OT: I don't understand the motives (besides money) that led them to introduce the timeship. There are so many ships of STOs time Period they could release, but a 29th century timeship, did they completely give up to make a believeable game at last? i don't get it, sorry.
Thank you for reading.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Now that we've thrown canon right out the airlock, can I please have my tier 5 connie? It makes more sense for me to have that than a friggin ship from the 29th century, or a a tholian ship, or a galor or... whatever.
They should have chosen an earlier timeline then, don't you think?
No. It wouldn't have changed anything. If they'd set the game in the TNG/DS9/VOY era the NX would still be 220 years out of date - and the Connie over a century. If they'd set the game in the TOS era then the Galaxy, Intrepids, and Defiants would simply be out of date for the fans who want to fly those ships.
That's the real issue. You can't please all of the fans without hand-waving the canon. There's no way to make the TOS or Enterprise fans happy and still maintain any semblance of continuity. So you throw continuity out the window and just make an all-purpose Trek game: one where people can dress up in TOS uniforms if they want just as easily as people can dress up in All Good Thing era uniforms. All-purpose Trek allows everyone some leeway for their geekdom.
Personally I would have made a 25th Century Trek game where the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant were the T1 ships. But that's just me. Other people would have loved a TOS/TMP era game, and so on. Cryptic probably made more money trying to please everyone a little bit then trying to only please 1 type of fan.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
So that's it then? We just jettisoned any regard to continuity and canon? It's bad enough that we have Fed Captains flying around in non Fed ships, and ships still around from the 23rd and early 24th century, but now future ships from the 29th century??? Dis Cryptic forget this game takes place in 2409?
Don't you think that if a time ship from the future were stolen, that time agent people from said future would come back in time and retrieve it/prevent it from being stolen in the first place? Way to totally sell out.
Unbelievable.
Thank you for the T6 Galaxy Class. - I support Tovan Khev. - Please bring back the exploration missions.
That because it's a tank, and not meant to have "firepower" its meant to take a pounding, and hold it's own,and support other ships which it's great at compared to the other ships.
So that's it then? We just jettisoned any regard to continuity and canon?
Have you read any of this thread at all? Where is continuity and canon when people are flying 250 year old NX ships? Where is continuity and canon when 25th Century Odysseys are getting defeated by 23rd Century D7s? This game has never had more then a slight veneer of continuity and canon. It wasn't jettisoned today. It was jettisoned on launch day when people were flying TOS Connies by the thousands.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I've heard a lot of talk about 29th century ship in the 25th century and trying to make a case for a T5 Connie.
Okay, first, it was never stated that the Wells class was designed, built and used only in the 29th century. Nor was it implied that the Relativity was a ship of the line. It could have easily been the 24th century version of the Miranda class. We seen different classes being used centuries after they were initially designed. Who is to say that the design wasn't resurrected in the 29th century?
Now for the T5 connie. I personally wouldn't be upset seeing a bunch of large scale Constitution class ships flying around, but aside from that Vulcan ship and the Excelsior which are RA level, no older ships are at the T5 level. Those classes are no longer front line ships.
So if you really want to make an argument for an old school TOS TV era T5 connie then you're need to do better than the Wells class.
So that's it then? We just jettisoned any regard to continuity and canon? It's bad enough that we have Fed Captains flying around in non Fed ships, and ships still around from the 23rd and early 24th century, but now future ships from the 29th century??? Dis Cryptic forget this game takes place in 2409?
Don't you think that if a time ship from the future were stolen, that time agent people from said future would come back in time and retrieve it/prevent it from being stolen in the first place? Way to totally sell out.
Unbelievable.
That ship has set sail at launch, when the TOS Constitution was in-game when it should have stayed in the museum.
Too late to make a difference
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Have you read any of this thread at all? Where is continuity and canon when people are flying 250 year old NX ships? Where is continuity and canon when 25th Century Odysseys are getting defeated by 23rd Century D7s? This game has never had more then a slight veneer of continuity and canon. It wasn't jettisoned today. It was jettisoned on launch day when people were flying TOS Connies by the thousands.
Actually in my very next sentence I specifically mentioned the older ships, albeit not the NX as I forgot it existed until just now. That said, I should have probably wrote "...any regard to what was left of continuity and canon".
Thank you for the T6 Galaxy Class. - I support Tovan Khev. - Please bring back the exploration missions.
Actually in my very next sentence I specifically mentioned the older ships, albeit not the NX as I forgot it existed until just now. That said, I should have probably wrote "...any regard to what was left of continuity and canon".
I know. I read it. I'm simply saying there is no true semblance of continuity and canon. STO is an all-purpose Trek game designed to appeal to the Trek fans of each series. Is it better to please every fan type a little bit or one group a lot? Don't know. Ask the KDF players how they feel about it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
On the other hand, I tend to agree. While the Wells Class looks pretty sweet, I don't want to see dozens of them floating around in Sector Space. The ships are 400 years from the future of STO. They have no business BEING in the 25th Century. Even if the Tholians of the 25th Century, magically transport ships from the 29th Century, you don't think the Temporal Agents would quickly retrieve said technology?
In Future's End, moments after Starling in his "Aeon Timeship" was destroyed, Braxton from the 29th Century appeared, and brought Voyager back to the 24th Century. I doubt they would let entire starships float around 400 years before their time, without incident.
would totally obliterate any current ship including the vaunted bug and not break a sweat while doing it. But these ships have a special console. Seriously? That's it for 400 years of advances? Even set bonuses added don't make up for that 400 tech gap. A ship from that far in the future couldn't and shouldn't be able to be touched by a current year ship. PERIOD. It's like taking a nuclear powered aircraft carrier back to the 1600s.
would totally obliterate any current ship including the vaunted bug and not break a sweat while doing it. But these ships have a special console. Seriously? That's it for 400 years of advances? Even set bonuses added don't make up for that 400 tech gap. A ship from that far in the future couldn't and shouldn't be able to be touched by a current year ship. PERIOD. It's like taking a nuclear powered aircraft carrier back to the 1600s.
Am I missing something? Please, enlighten me.
What you are missing is the idea that the game doesn't balance to temporal canon. It balances to Tiers to try and please the largest selection of fans. That's why it has 22nd Century NXs and D'Kyrs, 23rd Century Connies, Mirandas, and Oberths, and 24th Century Galaxies, Intrepids, and Defiants fighting along side 25th Century Odysseys. It's why your 25th Century Odyssey can go back in time and fight a 23rd Century D7 and lose.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Silly man, you're under the misconception that the T5 won't be the 1000 day Veteran reward...
True, everything already happened and we have infinite branches, and infinite worlds, and infinite galaxies.
now if you change the main branch or prime galaxy will it change all those branches again or create another branch from the prime branch, or will it create a new prime branch from that original branch, now making two big branches, making even more little branches, but the two big branches have nothing to do with each other.
Head hurts again...I need a Doctor...or shall i say The Doctor.
PLEASE for the love of your prefered GOD - make the Lobi account bound!! Why should I have to open boxes up in multiple accounts if I want different characters to buy stuff?? and then have left over lobi - this makes me LESS likely to buy keys and open boxes!!
Not in-game yet:
Apollo-Class
Daedalus Class
Antares Type
A TRUE Norway-Class
Niagara Class
Springfield Class
A TRUE Constellation Class
Curry Class
Freedom-Class
Sydney Class
The Prime Timeline equivalent to the Kelvin-Class
New Orleans Class
Yeager Type
Heck, here's one that's closer to our timeline than the Wells:
Enterprise-J Class
And the most obvious one:
Ambassador Class
Not all of those are beautiful ships or anything, but to say there aren't enough ships for them to offer up is silly. That's not even counting the various and myriad ships from other races and generic ships we saw in the show that could be used, Breen Ships (already in-game) would be one example there.
Obviously they're trying to tie it in to the new Tholian content but it seems like this lockbox is about two months early. Putting it out near the end of Nov would have made more sense.
I don't see Cryptic, releasing mirror versions, of C store ship, so far they are doing the RA ships, so the next mirror ships will most likely be the Patrol escort, and Prometheus class.
I don't see why the Galaxy needs firepower when it's a super tanker ship.
Anyways I have already seen other KDF players using the antimatter console in kerrat anyways so it seems that most of this stuff was already leaked in some manner.
Well in fairness PWE/crytpic tried to give a canon reason for the ship to be in the game and most people don't like that reason.
simple as
Might be different if they said "Due to popular demand, and because a dev really likes this ship, we have the wells class and assorted temporal ships. Now your captain can be from the 29th century" but they didn't
Cryptic, have you truly gone insane? Logic in this game is becoming more and more selective. As people have already pointed out - it's somehow acceptable for hundreds, if not thousands, of 25th century captains to be flying around 29th century time ships, yet they cannot have T5 Constitutions?
(My opinion of whether or not the Connie should be in T5 is inconsequential where this is concerned.)
You've given one of the single-most controversial consoles in PVP (AMS) to the KDF, and filled the Lobi store with items that are quite clearly superior in balance and function to anything we can readily obtain through normal means.
If the distribution of power in this game is so flippant to you, then let's just cut to the chase and give the Feds and KDF access to every "+1" console.
For my part, I'll be steering clear of this lockbox. It's ridiculous. And when ESD system space starts looking like a Comicon merch floor, I will say "I told you so".
Chances are that the Temporal Destroyer will cost 800 Lobi Crystals. I agree that Lobi Crystals should be account bound.
Tell that to PVP people who say antimatter spread is OP, and P2W.
And you might have confused Federation players switching to KDF side or Red feding , and using the Antimatter spread.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
By FAQ you mean the exact same old list of only questions Cryptic wants to answer, like "How long will it be dropping?" and "What prizes can I win?" but not "What is the chance of winning a Wells ship?"
For more information:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=386771
OT: I don't understand the motives (besides money) that led them to introduce the timeship. There are so many ships of STOs time Period they could release, but a 29th century timeship, did they completely give up to make a believeable game at last? i don't get it, sorry.
Thank you for reading.
We knew that would happen way back, when they were introduced there would eventually be ways for all consoles to be available for both factions.
So it is only a matter of time, before the remaining consoles find their way into lockbox releases.
That will be the day all is balanced again (and in total chaos at the same time)
That's the real issue. You can't please all of the fans without hand-waving the canon. There's no way to make the TOS or Enterprise fans happy and still maintain any semblance of continuity. So you throw continuity out the window and just make an all-purpose Trek game: one where people can dress up in TOS uniforms if they want just as easily as people can dress up in All Good Thing era uniforms. All-purpose Trek allows everyone some leeway for their geekdom.
Personally I would have made a 25th Century Trek game where the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant were the T1 ships. But that's just me. Other people would have loved a TOS/TMP era game, and so on. Cryptic probably made more money trying to please everyone a little bit then trying to only please 1 type of fan.
Don't you think that if a time ship from the future were stolen, that time agent people from said future would come back in time and retrieve it/prevent it from being stolen in the first place? Way to totally sell out.
Unbelievable.
Okay, first, it was never stated that the Wells class was designed, built and used only in the 29th century. Nor was it implied that the Relativity was a ship of the line. It could have easily been the 24th century version of the Miranda class. We seen different classes being used centuries after they were initially designed. Who is to say that the design wasn't resurrected in the 29th century?
Now for the T5 connie. I personally wouldn't be upset seeing a bunch of large scale Constitution class ships flying around, but aside from that Vulcan ship and the Excelsior which are RA level, no older ships are at the T5 level. Those classes are no longer front line ships.
So if you really want to make an argument for an old school TOS TV era T5 connie then you're need to do better than the Wells class.
OMG I want to fly this one!
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Too late to make a difference
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Some nice stuff but I still won't buy it.
Actually in my very next sentence I specifically mentioned the older ships, albeit not the NX as I forgot it existed until just now. That said, I should have probably wrote "...any regard to what was left of continuity and canon".
Don't give them this idea, because the lockbox after this one could have a Game Patch as the grand prize.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
would totally obliterate any current ship including the vaunted bug and not break a sweat while doing it. But these ships have a special console. Seriously? That's it for 400 years of advances? Even set bonuses added don't make up for that 400 tech gap. A ship from that far in the future couldn't and shouldn't be able to be touched by a current year ship. PERIOD. It's like taking a nuclear powered aircraft carrier back to the 1600s.
Am I missing something? Please, enlighten me.
Umm I heard this already from Cryptic - did you miss the memo?
Lobi Account Bound please.. anyone, anyone- lobi account bound please .. anyone, anyone... Bueller??