They just did the Regent, Armitage and are working on Vesta (confirmed) and possibly the Ambassador (would fit well with the S7 tholian-timetravel theme). Plus we've just got numerous Fleet ships, including refits. Yet you still ask for more?
Regent - Sovereign Kitbash
Armitage - Akira Kitbash
Vesta - Non Canon
Ambassador should have been in the game long before the Wells.
But if you go back and reread what I wrote, I was specifically referring to NEW, ORIGINAL, NEVER BEFORE SEEN designs, which we are lacking in a big way.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
But if you go back and reread what I wrote, I was specifically referring to NEW, ORIGINAL, NEVER BEFORE SEEN designs, which we are lacking in a big way.
And then all the trekkies would moan that they're introducing "NEW, ORIGINAL, NEVER BEFORE SEEN designs" instead of iconic ships, long awaited refits or even the non-canon vessels.
As you can see, you can't please everybody and fans will never be happy, no matter what would Cryptic do. That's why sometimes I pitty the devs for what they've got to deal with.
I wonder if we all stop buying the lockboxes will they start making content that everyone can use? I would like this because I know the money I spend on STO is going straight towards producing new content which I will be able to use and so will everyone else.
I'm curious to see how much longer Cryptic can keep this up, without running afoul of state and federal gaming laws.
Not gaming like video games, but gaming like Gambling and Casinos.
Looking at my home state's laws, I'm surprised they aren't already blocked, because Cryptic's little chance box game fits the very definition of gaming.
Additionally, states (or maybe the feds regulate this) have mandatory age requirements for gambling. I know in my state, you have to be 21 years old to gamble. So, I'd be curious to know how many people are engaging in the lock box game, that are below the age of 21.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Can we get a better picture of the Mobius Temporal Destroyer. The picture in the blog is way too busy with nebula's, anti-proton beams & lens flare engines to make out
#1 limited quantities because they are ALIEN / Super Rare Ships that aren't supposed to be available in high quantities ...as of CBS?
-> half these ships are not even canon
in particular the Klingon Ships, so why would CBS care about these at all?
The only one would be the Wells Class and the Fed Shuttle, and those are still FED Ships.
#2 It was said that LockBoxes would never contain FED / KDF specific ships, but ALIEN Ships that work on BOTH sides and are not supposed to be in FED/KDF hands through the C-Store in mass production ... mhm YEPP... now we have MULTIPLE FED/KDF Ships in one LockBox, not Alien at all.
#3 29th Century Ships should be WAY more powerful than 25th century Ships
SAME argument here why we will never get a Tier 5 Constitution Class.
You remember what Braxtons SHUTTLE did to Voyager?
Those costumes are really cool. I hope they don't cost more then 50 Lobi or are able to be sold on the exchange. I'd really like it if I could pick them up for EC.
All the new ships look awesome and with every new lock box ship Cryptic comes out with we are falling further and further from this MMO being Star Trek. I am extremely surprised they are being allowed to do this over and over agian.
I understand they can't put non canon ships on the C-Store, because they don't want everyone flying a Jem'Hadar attack ships or a Galors or whatever, but aren't we basically already getting to that point. The other day I was at DS9 and 90% of the ships there were not Federation or KDF, but lock box ships.
Saying we don't want to see non canon ships all over the place so we are not going to put them on the C-Store is a lie, you don't want to put the non Fed/KDF ships on the C-Store because you make more money off keys, then you do if someone buys the a ship off the C-Store.
I would most likely buy one or two of these ships if they were put on the C-Store, but seeing how they are being put in a lock box I will not be buying them.
#2 It was said that LockBoxes would never contain FED / KDF specific ships, but ALIEN Ships that work on BOTH sides and are not supposed to be in FED/KDF hands through the C-Store in mass production ... mhm YEPP... now we have MULTIPLE FED/KDF Ships in one LockBox, not Alien at all.
Actually, that was never said. Gecko even hinted, once, in a podcast that a Lockbox might be the only way CBS would allow the TOS Connie into the game at T5 - as CBS is dictating rarity based on what they want, not based on Faction types.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
#2 It was said that LockBoxes would never contain FED / KDF specific ships, but ALIEN Ships that work on BOTH sides and are not supposed to be in FED/KDF hands through the C-Store in mass production ... mhm YEPP... now we have MULTIPLE FED/KDF Ships in one LockBox, not Alien at all.
As long as Feds aren't getting KDF ships and Klinks aren't getting Fed ships, why does it really matter? It's not like they're rescinding their statement on maintaining rarity with this. Temporal canon aside, neither faction is getting anything that doesn't belong to them.
So at least in that capacity, there's nothing wrong here, and whining about it is just nitpicking.
And for the record I'm a bit upset they didn't slip in the 29th Century Starfleet uniform/pips/combadge into this somehow.
C-Store fodder for a later date, I guess.
At any rate, I'll probably pop a few of these open here or there, mostly for the DOffs. Maybe if I get lucky on a Wells I can sell it for a nice chunk of change and save it towards a lockbox ship I actually want.
To be completely honest, I love this lock box and what's been stated about the lobi store. I'm only disappointed that I don't have a couple of hundred pound to spend on the game, because I would if I could.
29th century ships commanded by 25th century Captains, definitely a little off putting, totally understand how that can upset some, especially after all the "No you can't have a tier 5 connie" talk from the past, this is kinda the same deal.
At the same time I can't wait to see the specs on the ships, and they're damn cool.
I'm curious about something and I hope someone at Cryptic could answer:
Are the Wells and Korath going to be separate drops (i.e. FED and KDF will get their respecive drops) or is it going to be just one pack regardless of faction, and depending on who opens it it will provide a different ship (similarly to how Console Packs work)?
Not excited about about the idea of integrating Time Travel ships into the game. The power creep for stories just got that much higher.
There won't be an power creep. You'll find that the 29th century ships aren't any tougher then any other T5 ships in the game. They'll simply have a special console ability all their own. They'll die just as fast or slow as a Regent, Recluse, Odyssey, or anything else.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm curious about something and I hope someone at Cryptic could answer:
Are the Wells and Korath going to be separate drops (i.e. FED and KDF will get their respecive drops) or is it going to be just one pack regardless of faction, and depending on who opens it it will provide a different ship (similarly to how Console Packs work)?
They will be in a single box, labeled as a Temporal Science Vessel. The allegiance of the captain that opens it will determine which actual ship is received (Wells or Korath).
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
What ever happened to the Temporal Prime Directive?
Is Cryptic really at the point where they can flush Star Trek canon down the drain for the sake of making money?
And if they ARE at that point does that mean we can finally get a T5 TOS Connie Retrofit?
*STO*Its mission: To destroy strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations... and then kill them, to boldly annihilate what no one has annihilated before!
While I am happy about all the cool ships and stuff, words cannot explain how messed up this is. Package up leftover Galor classes into little boxes and give them to the warring factions... sorta makes sense to use whatever available ships there are. Package up surplus D'koras and sell them to the warring factions... sorta makes sense, because ferengi are all about profit. Package up Jem'hadar attack ships found derelict in space and have the warring factions capture them... sorta makes sense since again all ships available will be used. Package up Orb Weavers and give them to the warring factions... makes a little less sense because the technology is so different but still, all ships must be used in the war. Package up advanced 29th century timeships and give them to the warring factions...
-facepalm-
This one makes no sense. Why send an advanced ship into battle when you could hold onto it for research?
They will be in a single box, labeled as a Temporal Science Vessel. The allegiance of the captain that opens it will determine which actual ship is received (Wells or Korath).
Thanks for the answer! Glad to hear it's a single pack.
ok. ok ok ok. let me try to sort through all this...
Wells, Korath, Mobius, and Krenn, all time ships from the future, mirror or otherwise.
problem 1. by going down this path story wise, you are re telling the most hated story lines found in star trek. its convoluted with TRIBBLE pull after TRIBBLE pull that doesnt need to make any sense and are always resolved with the most bs techno babel found in all of trek.
problem 2. the temporal agents from the 29th century would prevent ALL of this temporal lock box stuff from happening, thats their job. they would tirelessly tamper with the past until this chain of events would not occur. the star trek canon has a built in safe guard against unchecked temporal fan fiction level storyline like this, if only they could beam into cryptic head quarters and hand you a cease and desist notice.
problem 3. those time shuttles would quite literally be tier 5 ships, being from the 29th century. voyager was very nearly destroyed by one easily. these full sized time ships? each one of them would be impervious to anything from the 25th century, they would be unharmable, and could 1 shot anything. 1 of those ships could solo the 25th century borg collective, and the dominion, at the same time. there is a 4 century difference in tech levels, its indefensible that these are in game at all. partly because of what i mentioned in problem 2, and partly because there is no possible way to suspend your disbelief at what im seeing, that it could ever happen in the canon. its indecency, i know it when i see it.
mirror sci ships eh? we know the drill regarding the fed ships. why do i have the sneaking suspicion that the mirror rapter is going to be a sci ship with COM, LTC, and ENS sci stations? and 4 sci consoles with 2 tac consoles, but all other stats the same? calling it now. its just as likely that the mirror qin is entirely unchanged stat wise, and just has the skin though.
Isometric Charge for feds? oh boy, i cant wait for every fed to spam this in pvp, thats gunna be great :rolleyes: oh but thats nothing compared to the other console, Antimatter Spread for kdf. oh yes. yes, thats exactly what this game needed, twice the ams or more. just wonderful.
Chroniton Dual Beam Bank? what? what energy type is this? of is a kinetic weapon that fires like an energy weapon?
Polarized Disruptors. ok, this has officially gotten out of hand, with these hybrid weapons. there will soon be more hybrid energy types then there are normal energy types. did this really need to be introduced so soon? the tholians apparently used the phased tets, who uses these? what connection does this have to anything?
this future tech stuff. the temperal agents would prevent this from happening in universe cryptic, all of it. why would you do this? this is the worst path you have gone down to date, i really feel bad for all of you.
They will be in a single box, labeled as a Temporal Science Vessel. The allegiance of the captain that opens it will determine which actual ship is received (Wells or Korath).
This is a great design choice, I hate having to open boxes on my kdf or to buy kdf stuff from the exchange at twice the fed price! I hope you'll make this choice for every single lockbox and lobi item in the future.
Just give us a ship with a console that instantly kills its target. And give us the weapons with all the procs already. We all know it's coming, sooner or later, and it's going to be Fed of course.
so many ships =D i am so looking forward to this pack it has a whole lot to be stoked for. i honestly want the isometric charge since it seems to be so deadly. both factions are really getting some treats and i bet the next lock box will have mirror escorts if this keeps going in the style they are goin in. also rozhenko class klink shuttle nice touch with the name. i wonder where the wells is going to end up Lobi store or in the box i hope lobi.
As I have said in other threads about this subject, nothing is STO is about canon balance. We're playing in a game where a TOS-era D7 can destroy a Sovereign - a D7 could not even scratch a Sovereign in canon. We're talking about a game where 22nd Century NXs sit in orbit around Sol next to 25th Century Odysseys - and between them are sitting 23rd Century TOS Connies, Mirandas, and Oberths.
The game's about making Trek fanboys happy. It's not about making canon sense. If it were none of the traditional ships would be in this game. Period.
You're half right, it's that + making a game that's fun enough than NON-trekkies would want to play it. I constantly bump into people in chat who are largely clueless about Star Trek.
And for the record I'm a bit upset they didn't slip in the 29th Century Starfleet uniform/pips/combadge into this somehow.
C-Store fodder for a later date, I guess.
At any rate, I'll probably pop a few of these open here or there, mostly for the DOffs. Maybe if I get lucky on a Wells I can sell it for a nice chunk of change and save it towards a lockbox ship I actually want.
Actually, the combadge is already in the game IIRC. Or maybe I have it confused with a different alternate future combadge.
Wow, this lock box looks amazing, am so looking forward to it. Don't you think the jump suit looks a little like Cardassian armour? I've been searching without fail for something to dress my Cardy in this could be it. Nice one Cryptic.
That's great background fluff you've provided there; too bad you guys at Cryptic aren't interested in creating story content anymore.
^^^ Exactly! They can make a ton more money off of this than they ever will with story content. 7 ships, 2, shuttles, a uniform, and a crapload of consoles though. Clearly this lockbox is aimed at those with more money than common sense and ship collectors.
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Regent - Sovereign Kitbash
Armitage - Akira Kitbash
Vesta - Non Canon
Ambassador should have been in the game long before the Wells.
But if you go back and reread what I wrote, I was specifically referring to NEW, ORIGINAL, NEVER BEFORE SEEN designs, which we are lacking in a big way.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
As you can see, you can't please everybody and fans will never be happy, no matter what would Cryptic do. That's why sometimes I pitty the devs for what they've got to deal with.
I'm curious to see how much longer Cryptic can keep this up, without running afoul of state and federal gaming laws.
Not gaming like video games, but gaming like Gambling and Casinos.
Looking at my home state's laws, I'm surprised they aren't already blocked, because Cryptic's little chance box game fits the very definition of gaming.
Additionally, states (or maybe the feds regulate this) have mandatory age requirements for gambling. I know in my state, you have to be 21 years old to gamble. So, I'd be curious to know how many people are engaging in the lock box game, that are below the age of 21.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
-> half these ships are not even canon
in particular the Klingon Ships, so why would CBS care about these at all?
The only one would be the Wells Class and the Fed Shuttle, and those are still FED Ships.
#2 It was said that LockBoxes would never contain FED / KDF specific ships, but ALIEN Ships that work on BOTH sides and are not supposed to be in FED/KDF hands through the C-Store in mass production ... mhm YEPP... now we have MULTIPLE FED/KDF Ships in one LockBox, not Alien at all.
#3 29th Century Ships should be WAY more powerful than 25th century Ships
SAME argument here why we will never get a Tier 5 Constitution Class.
You remember what Braxtons SHUTTLE did to Voyager?
...and finally, Science Ships = *MEH*
thx to Skilltree + lame Sci BOff abilities
I understand they can't put non canon ships on the C-Store, because they don't want everyone flying a Jem'Hadar attack ships or a Galors or whatever, but aren't we basically already getting to that point. The other day I was at DS9 and 90% of the ships there were not Federation or KDF, but lock box ships.
Saying we don't want to see non canon ships all over the place so we are not going to put them on the C-Store is a lie, you don't want to put the non Fed/KDF ships on the C-Store because you make more money off keys, then you do if someone buys the a ship off the C-Store.
I would most likely buy one or two of these ships if they were put on the C-Store, but seeing how they are being put in a lock box I will not be buying them.
Must be a day ending in y.
As long as Feds aren't getting KDF ships and Klinks aren't getting Fed ships, why does it really matter? It's not like they're rescinding their statement on maintaining rarity with this. Temporal canon aside, neither faction is getting anything that doesn't belong to them.
So at least in that capacity, there's nothing wrong here, and whining about it is just nitpicking.
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I'm kinda shocked it too more then 1 page before someone started to raise legal questions on lock boxes being gambling.
This thread also needs more "KDF got screwed" rage as well.
C-Store fodder for a later date, I guess.
At any rate, I'll probably pop a few of these open here or there, mostly for the DOffs. Maybe if I get lucky on a Wells I can sell it for a nice chunk of change and save it towards a lockbox ship I actually want.
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Where's my extra KDF?! WHY NO KDF!? KLINGON NEED STUFF!
Happy? :P
29th century ships commanded by 25th century Captains, definitely a little off putting, totally understand how that can upset some, especially after all the "No you can't have a tier 5 connie" talk from the past, this is kinda the same deal.
At the same time I can't wait to see the specs on the ships, and they're damn cool.
Are the Wells and Korath going to be separate drops (i.e. FED and KDF will get their respecive drops) or is it going to be just one pack regardless of faction, and depending on who opens it it will provide a different ship (similarly to how Console Packs work)?
They will be in a single box, labeled as a Temporal Science Vessel. The allegiance of the captain that opens it will determine which actual ship is received (Wells or Korath).
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
And if they ARE at that point does that mean we can finally get a T5 TOS Connie Retrofit?
we have time traveling ships = wtf ?
and we have mirror time ships = wtf?
so we can look forward to a mirror.. time war ? :S
-facepalm-
This one makes no sense. Why send an advanced ship into battle when you could hold onto it for research?
Nice going Cryptic, in more ways than one.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
That would break immersion!
That would break canon!
That would change the very laws of physics!
Ya cannae change da laws o'physics man!
:rolleyes:
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Does this apply to Lobi Store Destroyers as well?
Wells, Korath, Mobius, and Krenn, all time ships from the future, mirror or otherwise.
problem 1. by going down this path story wise, you are re telling the most hated story lines found in star trek. its convoluted with TRIBBLE pull after TRIBBLE pull that doesnt need to make any sense and are always resolved with the most bs techno babel found in all of trek.
problem 2. the temporal agents from the 29th century would prevent ALL of this temporal lock box stuff from happening, thats their job. they would tirelessly tamper with the past until this chain of events would not occur. the star trek canon has a built in safe guard against unchecked temporal fan fiction level storyline like this, if only they could beam into cryptic head quarters and hand you a cease and desist notice.
problem 3. those time shuttles would quite literally be tier 5 ships, being from the 29th century. voyager was very nearly destroyed by one easily. these full sized time ships? each one of them would be impervious to anything from the 25th century, they would be unharmable, and could 1 shot anything. 1 of those ships could solo the 25th century borg collective, and the dominion, at the same time. there is a 4 century difference in tech levels, its indefensible that these are in game at all. partly because of what i mentioned in problem 2, and partly because there is no possible way to suspend your disbelief at what im seeing, that it could ever happen in the canon. its indecency, i know it when i see it.
mirror sci ships eh? we know the drill regarding the fed ships. why do i have the sneaking suspicion that the mirror rapter is going to be a sci ship with COM, LTC, and ENS sci stations? and 4 sci consoles with 2 tac consoles, but all other stats the same? calling it now. its just as likely that the mirror qin is entirely unchanged stat wise, and just has the skin though.
Isometric Charge for feds? oh boy, i cant wait for every fed to spam this in pvp, thats gunna be great :rolleyes: oh but thats nothing compared to the other console, Antimatter Spread for kdf. oh yes. yes, thats exactly what this game needed, twice the ams or more. just wonderful.
Chroniton Dual Beam Bank? what? what energy type is this? of is a kinetic weapon that fires like an energy weapon?
Polarized Disruptors. ok, this has officially gotten out of hand, with these hybrid weapons. there will soon be more hybrid energy types then there are normal energy types. did this really need to be introduced so soon? the tholians apparently used the phased tets, who uses these? what connection does this have to anything?
this future tech stuff. the temperal agents would prevent this from happening in universe cryptic, all of it. why would you do this? this is the worst path you have gone down to date, i really feel bad for all of you.
This is a great design choice, I hate having to open boxes on my kdf or to buy kdf stuff from the exchange at twice the fed price! I hope you'll make this choice for every single lockbox and lobi item in the future.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
My character Tsin'xing
^^^ Exactly! They can make a ton more money off of this than they ever will with story content. 7 ships, 2, shuttles, a uniform, and a crapload of consoles though.