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Ambassador should have been in the game long before the Wells.
But if you go back and reread what I wrote, I was specifically referring to NEW, ORIGINAL, NEVER BEFORE SEEN designs, which we are lacking in a big way.
I guess you weren't around to see the reaction to the Odyessey class (now accepted and loved by some, but overall the attitude of many a supposed Star Trek fan who played STO wasn't a shining example of the 'ideals of Star Trek' that many of these same fans claim Cryptic is 'flushing down the toilet'.)
My point (and as a Star Trek fan since 1969): no matter what's done some 'Star Trek fan' somewhere will take absolute umbrage, claiming <insert object of rage here> is "not in GR's 'vision'; 'a violation of <insert Star Trek canon reference (usually taken out of context too)>...etc.'; or claim it's 'not original'.
Funny thing is, six months down the line, the 'abmination' will become woven and accepted into Star Trek lore; and then itself brought up and quoted in futuire debates.
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So, if this is a ship from the 29th century... why doesn't it just destroy everything in its path? Did the corps of engineers dumb it down for balance with the KDF? I know I'm kicking the same thing around, but it just doesn't make sense.
I just noticed this is my 500th post... now I'm a Captain. Whoopdee do.
I guess you weren't around to see the reaction to the Odyessey class (now accepted and loved by some, but overall the attitude of many a supposed Star Trek fan who played STO wasn't a shining example of the 'ideals of Star Trek' that many of these same fans claim Cryptic is 'flushing down the toilet'.)
My point (and as a Star Trek fan since 1969): no matter what's done some 'Star Trek fan' somewhere will take absolute umbrage, claiming <insert object of rage here> is "not in GR's 'vision'; 'a violation of <insert Star Trek canon reference (usually taken out of context too)>...etc.'; or claim it's 'not original'.
Funny thing is, six months down the line, the 'abmination' will become woven and accepted into Star Trek lore; and then itself brought up and quoted in futuire debates.
I don't get the "canon" argument at all - to be canon you have to be in the show or movie right? Well that ended 30 years ago in this Star Trek Universe - so all is fair.
And as fair as Gene is concerned he loved the time travel idea - what would have him turning in his grave is the destruction of Vulcan. I don't think he would have approved of that, yet that is what the owners of the IP have done.
Why don't you guys release a couple of dailies (at least) when releasing this locked box rubbish? At least we would have something new to do with these new toys. There is nothing new in the game apart from filling the Sink. I am embarrassed to be playing this game in its current form.
So, if this is a ship from the 29th century... why doesn't it just destroy everything in its path? Did the corps of engineers dumb it down for balance with the KDF? I know I'm kicking the same thing around, but it just doesn't make sense.
I just noticed this is my 500th post... now I'm a Captain. Whoopdee do.
*cloaks ship and flies away*
It's from an alternate future where the Starfleet Corps of Engineers is run by Pakleds. Captain Tiberius Riker XVIII took a fleet of 'em in for a retrofit and found the whole fleet gutted down to roughly 25th century levels, so he jettisoned them into a wormhole.
Seriously, though, what little I can remember seeing of the extreme future in Trek suggested they were moving towards:
1) "Mobile Starbases" like the Enterprise-J.
2) Tesseract shuttles/timepods that are "bigger on the inside."
So this could be the 29th century equivalent of the Argo Rover.
And I'll add what I always said about the Argo for people who said they didn't make sense.
The Argo makes perfect sense for deploying on essential missions on pre-warp, pre-plasma propulsion worlds, in that if you get killed or captured, you haven't contaminated the culture irreparably. Whereas even just a shuttle could alter the destiny of a planet and make a wayward farmer who found one into a demi-god. I mean, heck, replicators AND warp drive AND plasma propulsion? Losing an Argo is less risky.
So maybe the Wells is the equivalent of that. A ship designed to be low risk if lost in the past. Maybe it self-deletes most of its anachronistic technology if found. Or maybe it doesn't have any more than is needed because they know they're bound to lose track of a few.
Maybe it has a transporter that can transport through space and time...yea, I'd say losing even one of those in the past is an extremely horrible risk.
That's like losing your M1 Abrams tank in the middle ages.
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I don't get the "canon" argument at all - to be canon you have to be in the show or movie right? Well that ended 30 years ago in this Star Trek Universe - so all is fair.
And as fair as Gene is concerned he loved the time travel idea - what would have him turning in his grave is the destruction of Vulcan. I don't think he would have approved of that, yet that is what the owners of the IP have done.
The canon argument is simple. From TOS to Enterprise, there was one basic rule regarding time travel in Star Trek - DON'T MESS UP THE PAST!
This is why time travel was always a delicate matter in not pulling a JJ in trashing the timeline. They would sneek around and try not to change the past and get back to their time. But now, we have 29th Century Timeships, showing up 400 years in the past to aid in a war in the open. And actually used by 25th Cenutry captains. Do you really think this would happen in Star Trek? Could you imagine if we travelled 400 years into the past and we gave Native Americans a Nuclear Bomb?
This lockbox proves to why many Trekkers and Trekkies don't like STO, because Cryptic completely disregards the IP for the sake of $$$. So now we are going to have hundreds of 29th Century ships flying around and there is not a thing we can do.
Well, guess if you die in a timeship, you can say it's a time loop. :rolleyes:
The canon argument is simple. From TOS to Enterprise, there was one basic rule regarding time travel in Star Trek - DON'T MESS UP THE PAST!
This is why time travel was always a delicate matter in not pulling a JJ in trashing the timeline. They would sneek around and try not to change the past and get back to their time. But now, we have 29th Century Timeships, showing up 400 years in the past to aid in a war in the open. And actually used by 25th Cenutry captains. Do you really think this would happen in Star Trek? Could you imagine if we travelled 400 years into the past and we gave Native Americans a Nuclear Bomb?
This lockbox proves to why many Trekkers and Trekkies don't like STO, because Cryptic completely disregards the IP for the sake of $$$. So now we are going to have hundreds of 29th Century ships flying around and there is not a thing we can do.
compared to CBS, or paramount who change canon whenever it suits them. Even gene changed Star Trek so he could sell it...originally he wanted a woman to be second in command of the Enterprise, but the powers that be did not like that idea, and so another pilot was made.
Also Trek spans a lot of shows, and so Cryptic has a hard job in trying to please everyone. people love TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY, and ENT so sometimes they have to throw canon out the window so some people can get what they want...i mean is it canon that people are running around in TNG, and TOS uniforms it makes no sense but we are okay with that.
Maybe people want to play as a captain form the future, and who are we to say no you can't because that's not canon , then in that case no more TNG TOS uniforms, everyone has to wear just one uniform and not customize anything including ships, and no one can rename their ships cuz well Star Fleet are the ones who name Starships, and give them numbers not the captain. so i'm pretty sure people don't want to lose all that customization for the sake of canon in a video game.
I love Trek, but I don't like hardcore trek fans because they worry too much about canon, and that's what killed trek in the past, and why they wanted to reboot the franchise because there was way to much canon to worry about, and everyone kept getting on their case.
Thing is, after reading this announcement.. I logged in, saw the zen i had been saving for my new ship...
and realized I would never spend it in a single key....ever. That zen was to GET a ship I wanted not to gamble in some idiotic lockbox for the chance of getting it.
... and logged out. The fun of this game just left me knowing that.
compared to CBS, or paramount who change canon whenever it suits them. Even gene changed Star Trek so he could sell it...originally he wanted a woman to be second in command of the Enterprise, but the powers that be did not like that idea, and so another pilot was made.
Also Trek spans a lot of shows, and so Cryptic has a hard job in trying to please everyone. people love TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY, and ENT so sometimes they have to throw canon out the window so some people can get what they want...i mean is it canon that people are running around in TNG, and TOS uniforms it makes no sense but we are okay with that.
Maybe people want to play as a captain form the future, and who are we to say no you can't because that's not canon , then in that case no more TNG TOS uniforms, everyone has to wear just one uniform and not customize anything including ships, and no one can rename their ships cuz well Star Fleet are the ones who name Starships, and give them numbers not the captain. so i'm pretty sure people don't want to lose all that customization for the sake of canon in a video game.
By that logic, means that we should be allowed to fly the Millenium Falcon in STO as well, after all that is shown on screen and therefore canon! :rolleyes:
Seriously, making excuses for Cryptic is just wrong. In Star Trek, there is no way in heck you will see a timeship from the future travel openly into the past and even aid in the war (more or less hundreds of them!) That goes far beyond anything we saw in Star Trek as a whole. And you want to justify that because one or two people want to roleplay a 29th Century time traveler? I could easily roleplay that even without a time ship.
I love Trek, but I don't like hardcore trek fans because they worry too much about canon, and that's what killed trek in the past, and why they wanted to reboot the franchise because there was way to much canon to worry about, and everyone kept getting on their case.
I'm not a hardcore fan, and I've looked the other way from time to time with Cryptic's decisions. Like everyone in STO being Admirals and not Captains, and dozens of TOS Consitutions flying around (when there was only a handful).
But cooooooooooome on! If you truely are a Star Trek fan, you draw the line and say NO to player timeships. You can add them as part of a time travel episode / mission, but not playable.
By that logic, means that we should be allowed to fly the Millenium Falcon in STO as well, after all that is shown on screen and therefore canon! :rolleyes:
Seriously, making excuses for Cryptic is just wrong. In Star Trek, there is no way in heck you will see a timeship from the future travel openly into the past and even aid in the war (more or less hundreds of them!) That goes far beyond anything we saw in Star Trek as a whole. And you want to justify that because one or two people want to roleplay a 29th Century time traveler? I could easily roleplay that even without a time ship.
I'm not a hardcore fan, and I've looked the other way from time to time with Cryptic's decisions. Like everyone in STO being Admirals and not Captains, and dozens of TOS Consitutions flying around (when there was only a handful).
But cooooooooooome on! If you truely are a Star Trek fan, you draw the line and say NO to player timeships. You can add them as part of a time travel episode / mission, but not playable.
You just proved his point about worrying too much about canon
Those who understand that canon is more-or-less uneven ground to begin with, there IS no line to draw Simple as that, and better to just enjoy it, since this game doesn't affect any of the shows or movies anyway.
And implying he's not a true Trek fan for an opinion? Not cool, especially for anyone to try and separate fans from 'true' fans.
If we like Star Trek, we like Star Trek. No separation between fans and the 'true' fans... that's a lot like segregation.
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Well, guess if you die in a timeship, you can say it's a time loop. :rolleyes:
The canon argument is simple. From TOS to Enterprise, there was one basic rule regarding time travel in Star Trek - DON'T MESS UP THE PAST!
This is why time travel was always a delicate matter in not pulling a JJ in trashing the timeline. They would sneek around and try not to change the past and get back to their time. But now, we have 29th Century Timeships, showing up 400 years in the past to aid in a war in the open. And actually used by 25th Cenutry captains. Do you really think this would happen in Star Trek? Could you imagine if we travelled 400 years into the past and we gave Native Americans a Nuclear Bomb?
This lockbox proves to why many Trekkers and Trekkies don't like STO, because Cryptic completely disregards the IP for the sake of $$$. So now we are going to have hundreds of 29th Century ships flying around and there is not a thing we can do.
Did you read the article? It says that the Ferengi got their hands on the timeships and advanced technologies and sell them to the highest bidder (through the Lobi store, obviously). This is absolutely in line with their character and similar things have happened in canon over and over.
"Daredevil profiteers from the Lobi Crystal Consortium have set up an intricate supply chain dedicated to seeking out these uncontrolled ripple anomalies, and exploiting them to retrieve goods that they can then sell to the highest bidders. Both Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force have an obvious interest in these valuable time-displaced artifacts, for it may be that the fate of time itself will be in the hands of the faction that controls them."
There doesn't seem to be any involvement of the 29th century Federation or KDF.
So no, I don't think "this" would happen in Star Trek, and it doesn't.
Did you read the article? It says that the Ferengi got their hands on the timeships and advanced technologies and sell them to the highest bidder (through the Lobi store, obviously). This is absolutely in line with their character and similar things have happened in canon over and over.
So it's okay because Ferengi managed to get a hold on multiple 29th Century starships. :rolleyes:
You just proved his point about worrying too much about canon
Those who understand that canon is more-or-less uneven ground to begin with, there IS no line to draw Simple as that, and better to just enjoy it, since this game doesn't affect any of the shows or movies anyway.
And implying he's not a true Trek fan for an opinion? Not cool, especially for anyone to try and separate fans from 'true' fans.
If we like Star Trek, we like Star Trek. No separation between fans and the 'true' fans... that's a lot like segregation.
Where did I say he wasn't a true Trek fan?
But him saying he's willing to overlook the Temporal Prime Directive then when and where do we draw that line? When do we tell Cryptic that they gone too far from the IP and to go back?
Or does does the IP no longer matter to those in STO, except a few individuals?
From the hip. Not that the KDF designs are unwelcome, but how do we know that Korath didn't contribute to the Wells-class? At least with regard to the temporal tech it uses. Or the Aeon for that matter?
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But more seriously, thank you Cryptic for the timeship. Been waiting for it for a while. Didn't expect there to be multiple versions much less mirror ones, though!
But him saying he's willing to overlook the Temporal Prime Directive then when and where do we draw that line? When do we tell Cryptic that they gone too far from the IP and to go back?
Or does does the IP no longer matter to those in STO, except a few individuals?
And my point is that there IS no line to cross in the first place, so trying to create one is pointless.
And we care about the IP, why else would we want everything we saw in the shows/movies to be in-game? Some of us just realize canon has no place in a playable MMO world, or don't really care about that aspect.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
They're going to be using a console, so..what do they expect us to give up? 29th century tech or not, in the game gotta put the special ability somewhere you could slot a different console in.
I read the blurb about the new temporal vessels and the lockboxes. I read this thread, and all the others surrounding this issue carefully. I sat back and thought about it for a while and I finally came up with a few things which I wanted to share.
1 - The Korath looks beautiful! It truly does. If the Devs wanted to throw the KDF a bone, this ship looks like the one to throw. BUT... putting it in a lockbox smacks of poor thinking. This could so easily have worked as the 1000 day vet reward, earned by a special mission found only in the much vaunted Captains' Table. Really rewarding those players who have made the commitment with a future ship with some real teeth and a great style. Same for the Wells, obviously. Keeps the numbers low
2 - The shuttles, consoles, costumes and other temporal ships would have made a great lockbox by themselves, with few calls of OP, unfair and non-canon. A stolen shuttle is a far easier pill to swallow than a stolen ship of such size and obvious technological marvel (also, because the shuttle is smaller, get it?). Plenty of people want the lockboxes for the consoles and costumes alone... that being said...
3 - This was a real chance to have a multi-vector gimmick going on. A temporal sale. The lockboxes, the 1000 day vet rewards and a "roll-back" of zen store prices to those found at the beginning (yes I now conversion from c-store to zen-store is different but a 2400 zen item reduced to 2000 zen (it's old c-store price in c) would have really looked like a gift). When business is slow, I never put prices up so that my one customer made the day worth it! I put the prices down slightly so I brought in more customers and had a full store!
4 - Back to the Korath. It shows what can be done with original thinking and I would love to see some 25th century KDF ships showing a lean towards using Lethean, Gorn, Ferasan and Nausicaan tech. Same for the Feds although this seems harder as the UFP is a little more homogenised and the KDF is a loose alliance of circumstance.
Anyway, sure you all don't want any more bleating from the Welsh contingent so have a nice day and just think what might have been.
Oh, and Cosmic is right...
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You could easily say that the ship was found drifting and heavily damaged, all ability to do the whole time thang has been destroyed to the extent its impossible to reverse engineer but the hull configuration and a few of its consoles were salvagable.
New ships have been built using the same design and the new engineered consoles, its no longer a Timeship but a ship based upon its look - and a few consoles - using 2409 materials ect.
To me its no longer a 29th century ship, same as the ones people have been using from 200 years, they are based upon that look but not from that century.
I don't particulary like the introduction of time ships. But I also find those Mirror universe ships to be rather annoying.
Why should there be mirror universe ships that have the exact same appearance and abilities as Starfleet ships? After all earth was occupied by the Alliance and probably lost all its ships and manufacturing facilities. During that time there was most certaintly no reasearch at all. This means Mirror universe tech would be at least half a century behind. The fact they were able to replicate the Defiant class in the DS9 series with the technological and manufacturing abilites of the resistance was highly unlikely already.
If introducing a timeship was necessary I wish they would have gone with a more likely solution. Like the Krenim Time Ship. At least that ship is supposed to exist in this time.
so more ships for cstore only (as you need those stupid keys) and just 2 shuttles or something that you can buy with lobi crystals that i dont even know how to get but i guess also not possible without spending money again.. disappointed (again,.. or lets say, "still)
Ok , where to start ?
Awesome-awesome looking ships , nifty shuttles , silly time travelers suits (hey , they were stuck with what the show had ...) , and hey , moar mirror ships . So far , so good .
BUT , as a part of me was going "I needs to get me some keys ..." -- another (accursed) meandering part of my brain started to wonder about "the sales pitch" itself .
Further more , as the pitch started to more and more sound like a prose story (a pretty darn good one if you are into the Temporal Cold War thing -- which I'm not) -- I started to wonder where was the last time I experienced "story content" in STO delivered in prose style -- and yeah , I came to the Doff missions -- Kestrel's continuing contribution to Story Telling in STO .
Where am I going with this ?
Simple .
There is no way that I can see that "the pitch" (or at least the whole story aspect of it) came from the Cryptic marketing team . It was simply so good , so intricate and well thought out , that it could not have come from them .
What does that leave me with ?
The thought that either Kestrel or an uber time-travel nerd (errr ... I mean fan) wrote up (at least part of that pitch .
And honestly I was saddened ... BECAUSE it was such good a story ... and because from my POV , we're getting Story Content now through sales pitches .
I can't quite put my finger on it , but that's somehow... low ... you know ?
Would have made more sense if it was the 1000 day Vet reward, since we have spent so much TIME in the game. I guess loyalty means nothing and greed if eternal.
Ship for the 1000 day Vet, "The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. We'll get a freighter."
Would have made more sense if it was the 1000 day Vet reward, since we have spent so much TIME in the game. I guess loyalty means nothing and greed if eternal.
Yeah us loyal customers are now a liability. We want new missions, a complete KDF faction, a Romulan Faction and more Costumes for the KDF and so much more.
A new customer is playing the 2+ years old content, praising Cryptic, starting to put money into the game, buying useless TRIBBLE. They haven't realised yet, how poorly Cryptic (or PWE whoever is the devil here calling the shots) has handled this game. Since PWE took over the game has gone from being related to Trek to just insane with all manner of stuff that really isn't Trek, at least not in the context that it's introduced.
Greed is all that the game is here for now. They obviously follow the Ferengi rules, customers are to be exploited.
They also show their complete lack of the Star Trek universe and everything in it. Compromises have to be made for the fact it's a game and a MMO like multicultural factions (other than Federation as they already are one) but these latest two lock boxes are just too much to swallow. I am guessing that they'll loose more customers than they'll gain with this lock box. This I feel is the start of STO's fall. With no new KDF content (lock boxes don't count, talking about missions and costumes here) I couldn't careless about season 7, 8 or 9 or any other.
Stahl, perhaps you should run for office in the next political election. You already have the fundamental traits down. You'll do well and will fit in well. Sorry mate but just going by my observations of your actions in the past 8 months. You have no feel of your customers, you put your own anti-klingon views.
I may as well go back to playing and modding the 10 year old Star Trek games I was before I found STO.
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Are the servers closing soon ? Why the need for soooooo many ships and console configurations ? Whats the need for milking people's gambling habits with so much choice ?
Sounds like a rush to get money in asap.
This box is looking like a new Z-Store,but one where people spend more money to get what they want.
Imho somethings amiss with the amount contained in this box. :mad:
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I guess you weren't around to see the reaction to the Odyessey class (now accepted and loved by some, but overall the attitude of many a supposed Star Trek fan who played STO wasn't a shining example of the 'ideals of Star Trek' that many of these same fans claim Cryptic is 'flushing down the toilet'.)
My point (and as a Star Trek fan since 1969): no matter what's done some 'Star Trek fan' somewhere will take absolute umbrage, claiming <insert object of rage here> is "not in GR's 'vision'; 'a violation of <insert Star Trek canon reference (usually taken out of context too)>...etc.'; or claim it's 'not original'.
Funny thing is, six months down the line, the 'abmination' will become woven and accepted into Star Trek lore; and then itself brought up and quoted in futuire debates.
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I just noticed this is my 500th post... now I'm a Captain. Whoopdee do.
*cloaks ship and flies away*
I don't get the "canon" argument at all - to be canon you have to be in the show or movie right? Well that ended 30 years ago in this Star Trek Universe - so all is fair.
And as fair as Gene is concerned he loved the time travel idea - what would have him turning in his grave is the destruction of Vulcan. I don't think he would have approved of that, yet that is what the owners of the IP have done.
It's from an alternate future where the Starfleet Corps of Engineers is run by Pakleds. Captain Tiberius Riker XVIII took a fleet of 'em in for a retrofit and found the whole fleet gutted down to roughly 25th century levels, so he jettisoned them into a wormhole.
1) "Mobile Starbases" like the Enterprise-J.
2) Tesseract shuttles/timepods that are "bigger on the inside."
So this could be the 29th century equivalent of the Argo Rover.
And I'll add what I always said about the Argo for people who said they didn't make sense.
The Argo makes perfect sense for deploying on essential missions on pre-warp, pre-plasma propulsion worlds, in that if you get killed or captured, you haven't contaminated the culture irreparably. Whereas even just a shuttle could alter the destiny of a planet and make a wayward farmer who found one into a demi-god. I mean, heck, replicators AND warp drive AND plasma propulsion? Losing an Argo is less risky.
So maybe the Wells is the equivalent of that. A ship designed to be low risk if lost in the past. Maybe it self-deletes most of its anachronistic technology if found. Or maybe it doesn't have any more than is needed because they know they're bound to lose track of a few.
That's like losing your M1 Abrams tank in the middle ages.
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The canon argument is simple. From TOS to Enterprise, there was one basic rule regarding time travel in Star Trek - DON'T MESS UP THE PAST!
This is why time travel was always a delicate matter in not pulling a JJ in trashing the timeline. They would sneek around and try not to change the past and get back to their time. But now, we have 29th Century Timeships, showing up 400 years in the past to aid in a war in the open. And actually used by 25th Cenutry captains. Do you really think this would happen in Star Trek? Could you imagine if we travelled 400 years into the past and we gave Native Americans a Nuclear Bomb?
This lockbox proves to why many Trekkers and Trekkies don't like STO, because Cryptic completely disregards the IP for the sake of $$$. So now we are going to have hundreds of 29th Century ships flying around and there is not a thing we can do.
compared to CBS, or paramount who change canon whenever it suits them. Even gene changed Star Trek so he could sell it...originally he wanted a woman to be second in command of the Enterprise, but the powers that be did not like that idea, and so another pilot was made.
Also Trek spans a lot of shows, and so Cryptic has a hard job in trying to please everyone. people love TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY, and ENT so sometimes they have to throw canon out the window so some people can get what they want...i mean is it canon that people are running around in TNG, and TOS uniforms it makes no sense but we are okay with that.
Maybe people want to play as a captain form the future, and who are we to say no you can't because that's not canon , then in that case no more TNG TOS uniforms, everyone has to wear just one uniform and not customize anything including ships, and no one can rename their ships cuz well Star Fleet are the ones who name Starships, and give them numbers not the captain. so i'm pretty sure people don't want to lose all that customization for the sake of canon in a video game.
I love Trek, but I don't like hardcore trek fans because they worry too much about canon, and that's what killed trek in the past, and why they wanted to reboot the franchise because there was way to much canon to worry about, and everyone kept getting on their case.
and realized I would never spend it in a single key....ever. That zen was to GET a ship I wanted not to gamble in some idiotic lockbox for the chance of getting it.
... and logged out. The fun of this game just left me knowing that.
By that logic, means that we should be allowed to fly the Millenium Falcon in STO as well, after all that is shown on screen and therefore canon! :rolleyes:
Seriously, making excuses for Cryptic is just wrong. In Star Trek, there is no way in heck you will see a timeship from the future travel openly into the past and even aid in the war (more or less hundreds of them!) That goes far beyond anything we saw in Star Trek as a whole. And you want to justify that because one or two people want to roleplay a 29th Century time traveler? I could easily roleplay that even without a time ship.
I'm not a hardcore fan, and I've looked the other way from time to time with Cryptic's decisions. Like everyone in STO being Admirals and not Captains, and dozens of TOS Consitutions flying around (when there was only a handful).
But cooooooooooome on! If you truely are a Star Trek fan, you draw the line and say NO to player timeships. You can add them as part of a time travel episode / mission, but not playable.
Those who understand that canon is more-or-less uneven ground to begin with, there IS no line to draw
And implying he's not a true Trek fan for an opinion? Not cool, especially for anyone to try and separate fans from 'true' fans.
If we like Star Trek, we like Star Trek. No separation between fans and the 'true' fans... that's a lot like segregation.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Did you read the article? It says that the Ferengi got their hands on the timeships and advanced technologies and sell them to the highest bidder (through the Lobi store, obviously). This is absolutely in line with their character and similar things have happened in canon over and over.
"Daredevil profiteers from the Lobi Crystal Consortium have set up an intricate supply chain dedicated to seeking out these uncontrolled ripple anomalies, and exploiting them to retrieve goods that they can then sell to the highest bidders. Both Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force have an obvious interest in these valuable time-displaced artifacts, for it may be that the fate of time itself will be in the hands of the faction that controls them."
There doesn't seem to be any involvement of the 29th century Federation or KDF.
So no, I don't think "this" would happen in Star Trek, and it doesn't.
So it's okay because Ferengi managed to get a hold on multiple 29th Century starships. :rolleyes:
Really? /facepalm
Exactly my point! It wouldn't happen!
It's justified as "what we want" but really its all about the $$$, all while the IP got thrown under the bus.
Where did I say he wasn't a true Trek fan?
But him saying he's willing to overlook the Temporal Prime Directive then when and where do we draw that line? When do we tell Cryptic that they gone too far from the IP and to go back?
Or does does the IP no longer matter to those in STO, except a few individuals?
But more seriously, thank you Cryptic for the timeship. Been waiting for it for a while. Didn't expect there to be multiple versions much less mirror ones, though!
And my point is that there IS no line to cross in the first place, so trying to create one is pointless.
And we care about the IP, why else would we want everything we saw in the shows/movies to be in-game? Some of us just realize canon has no place in a playable MMO world, or don't really care about that aspect.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Details, Cryptic. Please don't just make each version of the timeships just a copy of an existing ship's boff and console loadout.
1 - The Korath looks beautiful! It truly does. If the Devs wanted to throw the KDF a bone, this ship looks like the one to throw. BUT... putting it in a lockbox smacks of poor thinking. This could so easily have worked as the 1000 day vet reward, earned by a special mission found only in the much vaunted Captains' Table. Really rewarding those players who have made the commitment with a future ship with some real teeth and a great style. Same for the Wells, obviously. Keeps the numbers low
2 - The shuttles, consoles, costumes and other temporal ships would have made a great lockbox by themselves, with few calls of OP, unfair and non-canon. A stolen shuttle is a far easier pill to swallow than a stolen ship of such size and obvious technological marvel (also, because the shuttle is smaller, get it?). Plenty of people want the lockboxes for the consoles and costumes alone... that being said...
3 - This was a real chance to have a multi-vector gimmick going on. A temporal sale. The lockboxes, the 1000 day vet rewards and a "roll-back" of zen store prices to those found at the beginning (yes I now conversion from c-store to zen-store is different but a 2400 zen item reduced to 2000 zen (it's old c-store price in c) would have really looked like a gift). When business is slow, I never put prices up so that my one customer made the day worth it! I put the prices down slightly so I brought in more customers and had a full store!
4 - Back to the Korath. It shows what can be done with original thinking and I would love to see some 25th century KDF ships showing a lean towards using Lethean, Gorn, Ferasan and Nausicaan tech. Same for the Feds although this seems harder as the UFP is a little more homogenised and the KDF is a loose alliance of circumstance.
Anyway, sure you all don't want any more bleating from the Welsh contingent so have a nice day and just think what might have been.
Oh, and Cosmic is right...
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
New ships have been built using the same design and the new engineered consoles, its no longer a Timeship but a ship based upon its look - and a few consoles - using 2409 materials ect.
To me its no longer a 29th century ship, same as the ones people have been using from 200 years, they are based upon that look but not from that century.
Why should there be mirror universe ships that have the exact same appearance and abilities as Starfleet ships? After all earth was occupied by the Alliance and probably lost all its ships and manufacturing facilities. During that time there was most certaintly no reasearch at all. This means Mirror universe tech would be at least half a century behind. The fact they were able to replicate the Defiant class in the DS9 series with the technological and manufacturing abilites of the resistance was highly unlikely already.
If introducing a timeship was necessary I wish they would have gone with a more likely solution. Like the Krenim Time Ship. At least that ship is supposed to exist in this time.
Awesome-awesome looking ships , nifty shuttles , silly time travelers suits (hey , they were stuck with what the show had ...) , and hey , moar mirror ships . So far , so good .
BUT , as a part of me was going "I needs to get me some keys ..." -- another (accursed) meandering part of my brain started to wonder about "the sales pitch" itself .
Further more , as the pitch started to more and more sound like a prose story (a pretty darn good one if you are into the Temporal Cold War thing -- which I'm not) -- I started to wonder where was the last time I experienced "story content" in STO delivered in prose style -- and yeah , I came to the Doff missions -- Kestrel's continuing contribution to Story Telling in STO .
Where am I going with this ?
Simple .
There is no way that I can see that "the pitch" (or at least the whole story aspect of it) came from the Cryptic marketing team . It was simply so good , so intricate and well thought out , that it could not have come from them .
What does that leave me with ?
The thought that either Kestrel or an uber time-travel nerd (errr ... I mean fan) wrote up (at least part of that pitch .
And honestly I was saddened ... BECAUSE it was such good a story ... and because from my POV , we're getting Story Content now through sales pitches .
I can't quite put my finger on it , but that's somehow... low ... you know ?
But hey , awesome ships ... !
Ship for the 1000 day Vet, "The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. We'll get a freighter."
Yeah us loyal customers are now a liability. We want new missions, a complete KDF faction, a Romulan Faction and more Costumes for the KDF and so much more.
A new customer is playing the 2+ years old content, praising Cryptic, starting to put money into the game, buying useless TRIBBLE. They haven't realised yet, how poorly Cryptic (or PWE whoever is the devil here calling the shots) has handled this game. Since PWE took over the game has gone from being related to Trek to just insane with all manner of stuff that really isn't Trek, at least not in the context that it's introduced.
Greed is all that the game is here for now. They obviously follow the Ferengi rules, customers are to be exploited.
They also show their complete lack of the Star Trek universe and everything in it. Compromises have to be made for the fact it's a game and a MMO like multicultural factions (other than Federation as they already are one) but these latest two lock boxes are just too much to swallow. I am guessing that they'll loose more customers than they'll gain with this lock box. This I feel is the start of STO's fall. With no new KDF content (lock boxes don't count, talking about missions and costumes here) I couldn't careless about season 7, 8 or 9 or any other.
Stahl, perhaps you should run for office in the next political election. You already have the fundamental traits down. You'll do well and will fit in well. Sorry mate but just going by my observations of your actions in the past 8 months. You have no feel of your customers, you put your own anti-klingon views.
I may as well go back to playing and modding the 10 year old Star Trek games I was before I found STO.
Sounds like a rush to get money in asap.
This box is looking like a new Z-Store,but one where people spend more money to get what they want.
Imho somethings amiss with the amount contained in this box. :mad: